George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:11:18 -0400, Hatto von Aquitanien
<abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:

I've already addressed this, but I will do so again. Assuming the planes
were commandeered by remote control,

commercial boeing jets can't be controlled except from the cockpit,
according to the boeing company in response to this point.

the pilots can put it on remote control, but it has to be done from
the cockpit.

Unless someone modified the equipment before the flight.

So all those people who used their cell phones who said that there
were X number of hijackers on their plane - were lying, right before
they died?

Some of those calls were recorded, I believe.

http://physics911.ca/Rudolf:_Cellphone_Experiments_In_Airlines

and that they would have been caught, tried, and sent to jail for life

the buildings are not left empty and unguarded.

And the buildings are very large, lotta work there.

There were several security anomalies in the days before the attack. Here
are some names to look into. Marvin Bush, Bertha Champagne, Jerome Hauer,
and John P. O'Neil.

Its difficult to say exactly how many floors would have required these
charges, but even if we assume they were place on each of the 47 columns
on each floor, that would mean each of the 5 men would have to place 2063
charges. Assume they had choreographed this already, and worked
systematically. If it took on average 60 seconds to place one charge,
they
could have accomplished this in 4 9 hour days. Now, suppose they only
planted the cutting charges on every 4th floor. It would have taken them
1
long work day. At least two of the men had a history in the Mossad, and
one had, according to his lawyer, worked as a spy in the past.

and there was zero evidence they had ever been within a mile of the
buildings,

Well, that's not true.

and Israel is not known for extreme stupidity. They have the US in the
palm of its hand now. Blow up an office building and their military
sugar daddy - invades them, captures, tries, and executes everyone in
their government having anything to do with this.

Do you really believe US Politicians have the balls to take on the Zionists?

Only a suicidal fool would try that. Look at all the schemes the US
govt has tried - which get on the front page of the Washington Post.
Secret prisons. Secret wire tapping. Efforts to out Valerie Plame. The
Downing Memo. Etc. Odds of getting caught, high.

And no meaningful action has been taken. Congress and the courts have been
neutered.

Why do you think the perpetrators considered New Yorkers to be "their
people"?

Most say the US was behind this.

"Inside job" and "loyal citizen" are not the same thing.

If you claim it's Israelis, then
STILL what Israeli in his right mind would do it?

Why do you assume the perpetrators were in their "right minds"? Wolfowitz,
Cheney, Perle, Feith etc., have long been known by insiders as "the
crazies".

It's one thing to
kill arabs, who after all kill Israelis, and who want to see the Jews
leave their country.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=341600202419569830

There is a certain logic to killing arabs. But to mass murder
Americans? The great benefactors of Israel?

It was a false flag. I don't believe this was exclusively an Israeli
action.

execute the actual murders is because the are the most ruthless, and they
can operate with absolute impunity within the US.

It would hit the Israeli papers the next day after someone was asked
to do such a dumb thing.

This is not the first case of this kind of thing. Take the USS Liberty, for
example.

Virtually all Israelis would balk at this mission.

That's probably why Daniel Lewin is dead.

There is no moral justification for killing thousands of innocent
Americans, if you are an Israeli.

Moral justification? There is a strong strain of downright evil in Zionism.

And when told no, they would do stuff like - pull out a gun and
perform a citizen's arrest, or call 911, or any of a great many other
things that would get a lot of attention.

The front line perpetrators were some kind of black ops operatives.

And a black ops guy asked to kill Hillary Clinton, or President Bush,
or thousands in an office building in New York

is not going to do it

People are not going to kill without a decent reason for doing it,
unless they are Charles Manson.

http://www.realnews247.com/richard_perle.jpg
http://members.aye.net/~gharris/blog/dick_cheney09.jpg
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/img/wolfowitz.jpg
http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/dubya.jpg

It wouldn't be the first time a US administration sacrificed thousands of
Americans for political gains. Several people in positions to know have
come forward to say that Roosevelt was fully aware the Japanese were going
to attack Pearl Harbor, and intentionally permitted it to happen.

And the evidence for that is weak.

And it's one thing to sacrifice soldiers in a war from - blowing up an
office buliding where tens of thousands of your innocent civilians
work.

There was no war at the time the decision was made. It was a blatant stab
in the back by the US CinC.

And it's a lot harder to keep secrets now than it used to be.

Perhaps that's an illusion.

Plus - al-qaeda has admitted they took down the WTC.

So you've been told by the perpetrators.

You can argue that maybe Israeli intelligence was following some of
the perps here in the US. You can argue that they might have thought
they intended some sort of plane takeover.

But that's not the same as saying it was an inside job.

The 19 zealots with box-cutters theory is the most whacked conspiracy theory
around. I can't believe I fell for it for so long.

People fire bombed Dresden and Tokyo,

They were bombing the enemy as part of all-out war. Bombing was a
normal sort of thing to do in that war.

Blowing up your own office bulidings is not a normal sort of thing .

I did not see the Japanese drop an atomic bomb on themselves, nor the
Germans set fire to one of their own cities.

It takes a different ethic to do that kind of thing. One that is foreign to
the very fabric of my being.

why do you think they would hesitate
to kill innocent people simply because they were on American soil?

If you mean Israelis, because we are not the enemy, just the opposite,
and we are not in an all-out war.

And fire bombing Dresden could not come back to hurt us, other than in
the after life.

Israel blowing up the WTC would lead us to retaliate with extreme
prejudice.

That was the whole idea.

So no patriotic Israeli would do such a thing.

They're not mentally retarded.

Well, they did get caught.

They would know that the odds of detection would be high.

It would get leaked. There are many honorable people in Israel, and
the odds of one finding out about such a scheme would be high.

ANd there is not a shred of evidence that any such thing happened.

Other than the solid evidence that such a thing /did/ indeed happen, you are
correct. But Mossad was not the only player.

Look at the film - the tops of the buildings started to fall. The
floors below were not at that time falling. Only when the tops hit the
lower floors did those lower floors start falling.

That's not what I see. That's what it looked like to me at first, but now
it appears that the demolition wave precedes the collapse.

It's obviously not a planted charge sort of thing.

I really don't know what the details were, but there is conclusive proof of
use of large amounts of thermite, some of which was actually thermate.