Politics > Politics-USA > California DEMONcrats know nothing but Deceit, Lies and Political Games for Politcial Gain
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California DEMONcrats know nothing but Deceit, Lies and Political Games for Politcial Gain |
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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22 Jul 2003 08:42:52 PM |
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BFD did the dems lie in their state of the state speech about the reasons
for delaying the process?
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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22 Jul 2003 08:56:56 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:42:52 -0400, "john q public"
<kysdaddy@putermail.net> wrote:
BFD did the dems lie in their state of the state speech about the reasons
for delaying the process?
Obfuscation, attempting hide from DemonCrat Lies and attempting to
change the topic PROVES how desperate the Hypocritical Left really is,
especially in California where their coup d'état is finally truning on
them....
LN
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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| User: "john q public" |
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22 Jul 2003 09:36:30 PM |
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<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:ohqrhv4hfq79eil7ngde2ise0l4pdh8fqo@4ax.com...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:42:52 -0400, "john q public"
<kysdaddy@putermail.net> wrote:
BFD did the dems lie in their state of the state speech about the reasons
for delaying the process?
Obfuscation, attempting hide from DemonCrat Lies and attempting to
change the topic PROVES how desperate the Hypocritical Left really is,
especially in California where their coup d'état is finally truning on
them....
Yo hawiiaiin pizza too, your biased partisan apologetic opinion proves
nothing except that you are a shapeshifting D"W"LIE apologist
LN
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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23 Jul 2003 08:21:32 AM |
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Respond to the Article where the DemoCrats got caught perpetrating a
continued BUDGET CRISIS for political gain, all the detriment of the
LITTLE PEOPLE....
NOW DO IT PUKE....
LN
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:36:30 -0400, "john q public"
<kysdaddy@putermail.net> wrote:
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:ohqrhv4hfq79eil7ngde2ise0l4pdh8fqo@4ax.com...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:42:52 -0400, "john q public"
<kysdaddy@putermail.net> wrote:
BFD did the dems lie in their state of the state speech about the reasons
for delaying the process?
Obfuscation, attempting hide from DemonCrat Lies and attempting to
change the topic PROVES how desperate the Hypocritical Left really is,
especially in California where their coup d'état is finally truning on
them....
Yo hawiiaiin pizza too, your biased partisan apologetic opinion proves
nothing except that you are a shapeshifting D"W"LIE apologist
LN
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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25 Jul 2003 07:10:00 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:31:27 -0400, "john q public"
<kysdaddy@putermail.net> wrote:
Listen *****, it sounds like politics, duh!
A bit upset eh puke! You're welcome.....
You know like trying to change
senate rules to allow appointments with a simple majority, or trying to make
filibusters easier to break when an appointed resident really really wants
something!
I'll take that as your admission that DemonCrats are Hypocritical Scum
and prefer power & political gain over what's right & good for the
country....
But it's still no where near lying to the American public to start a war
Not that you have ANY proof of this claim, but I see you are as
predicable as a dog & a tree, like running toward another topic which
you've deluded into believing where you have traction. Sorry Puke,
there's nothing under that rock for you either...
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:9s2thvkho4m4h2tq3trnj4rgce33m3i96t@4ax.com...
Respond to the Article where the DemoCrats got caught perpetrating a
continued BUDGET CRISIS for political gain, all the detriment of the
LITTLE PEOPLE....
NOW DO IT PUKE....
LN
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:36:30 -0400, "john q public"
<kysdaddy@putermail.net> wrote:
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:ohqrhv4hfq79eil7ngde2ise0l4pdh8fqo@4ax.com...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:42:52 -0400, "john q public"
<kysdaddy@putermail.net> wrote:
BFD did the dems lie in their state of the state speech about the
reasons
for delaying the process?
Obfuscation, attempting hide from DemonCrat Lies and attempting to
change the topic PROVES how desperate the Hypocritical Left really is,
especially in California where their coup d'état is finally truning on
them....
Yo hawiiaiin pizza too, your biased partisan apologetic opinion proves
nothing except that you are a shapeshifting D"W"LIE apologist
LN
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the
Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was
broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances
for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off
than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed
that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year
that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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23 Jul 2003 08:39:06 PM |
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Xenu allowed "needham@syix.com" <needham@syix.com> to write:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:42:52 -0400, "john q public"
<kysdaddy@putermail.net> wrote:
BFD did the dems lie in their state of the state speech about the reasons
for delaying the process?
Obfuscation, attempting hide from DemonCrat Lies and attempting to
change the topic PROVES how desperate the Hypocritical Left really is,
especially in California where their coup d'état is finally truning on
them....
And yet it was a Republinazi that launched a fascist invasion of
Iraqi and started murdering Iraqi children. Golly, dishonest
politicians on one hand and murdering fascist baby killing dictators
on the other... What a difficult choice.
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25 Jul 2003 07:12:09 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:39:06 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Xenu allowed "needham@syix.com" <needham@syix.com> to write:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:42:52 -0400, "john q public"
<kysdaddy@putermail.net> wrote:
BFD did the dems lie in their state of the state speech about the reasons
for delaying the process?
Obfuscation, attempting hide from DemonCrat Lies and attempting to
change the topic PROVES how desperate the Hypocritical Left really is,
especially in California where their coup d'état is finally truning on
them....
And yet it was a Republinazi that launched a fascist invasion of
Iraqi and started murdering Iraqi children. Golly, dishonest
politicians on one hand and murdering fascist baby killing dictators
on the other... What a difficult choice.
Changing the topic seems to be your favored tactic, fried rice. Here,
eat a little CROW instead:
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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25 Jul 2003 07:18:22 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:12:09 -0700, "needham@syix.com" <needham@syix.com> wrote:
Changing the topic seems to be your favored tactic, fried rice. Here,
eat a little CROW instead:
That's funny coming from you.
Read and good (pro-dubya) political cartoons lately?
Bush Lies, People Die.
No One Died When Clinton Lied.
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27 Jul 2003 05:54:46 PM |
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In article <3282iv01rmql0l9dfkr31dbjmh6iscchnr@4ax.com>,
animaux@iusfk.net says...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:12:09 -0700, "needham@syix.com" <needham@syix.com> wrote:
Changing the topic seems to be your favored tactic, fried rice. Here,
eat a little CROW instead:
That's funny coming from you.
Read and good (pro-dubya) political cartoons lately?
Bush Lies, People Die.
No One Died When Clinton Lied.
When all is said and done, at the end of the day, we are left with
those core values that define the Demorat Party. And what are those
hollowed values that define the vary political soul of every
Demorat? Those beliefs that are deep in the heart of all Demorats?
WASTE FRAUD & ABUSE
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James E. Morrow
Email to:
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22 Jul 2003 11:58:34 PM |
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john q public wrote:
BFD did the dems lie in their state of the state speech about the reasons
for delaying the process?
Repug hypocrisy at its best.
The Repugs did the same thing in CA back during Wilson's administration.
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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"If the Lord can see his way clear to bless the Republican Party the way
it's been carrying on, then the rest of us ought to get it without even
asking."
- Will Rogers
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| User: "Submariner" |
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22 Jul 2003 08:57:52 PM |
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Cute.
Rolling blackouts? A direct result of Republican sponsored utility
deregulstion.
Deficit? Recall Davis and impeach Bush
On the Left, we don't need to invent our outrage.
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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23 Jul 2003 08:22:42 AM |
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No the left just continues to play politics for the good of
themselves, EVREYTHING ELSE, EVERYONE ELSE be DAMNED....
LN
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, "Submariner" <OB@Hullnumber.com>
wrote:
Cute.
Rolling blackouts? A direct result of Republican sponsored utility
deregulstion.
Deficit? Recall Davis and impeach Bush
On the Left, we don't need to invent our outrage.
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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| User: "Mike" |
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22 Jul 2003 09:35:58 PM |
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rolling blackouts are because california liberals have prevented any power
plants to be built in the state in 20 years. The damn environmentalists but
earth above human life
"Submariner" <OB@Hullnumber.com> wrote in message
news:vhrqtbghb7dp24@corp.supernews.com...
Cute.
Rolling blackouts? A direct result of Republican sponsored utility
deregulstion.
Deficit? Recall Davis and impeach Bush
On the Left, we don't need to invent our outrage.
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: California DEMONcrats know nothing but Deceit, Lies and Political Games for Politcial Gain |
23 Jul 2003 08:16:55 AM |
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Liberals like Wilson and Deukmejian? They ran the state for 16 years out of
the last 20.
"Mike" <mjpohl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vht1hal9u19o93@corp.supernews.com...
rolling blackouts are because california liberals have prevented any power
plants to be built in the state in 20 years. The damn environmentalists
but
earth above human life
"Submariner" <OB@Hullnumber.com> wrote in message
news:vhrqtbghb7dp24@corp.supernews.com...
Cute.
Rolling blackouts? A direct result of Republican sponsored utility
deregulstion.
Deficit? Recall Davis and impeach Bush
On the Left, we don't need to invent our outrage.
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: California DEMONcrats know nothing but Deceit, Lies and Political Games for Politcial Gain |
23 Jul 2003 11:18:38 PM |
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you moron the governor can't make a power plant build...it's the beurocracy
of it all..environmentalist stop it
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bVvTa.3190$FZ.1759@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...
Liberals like Wilson and Deukmejian? They ran the state for 16 years out
of
the last 20.
"Mike" <mjpohl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vht1hal9u19o93@corp.supernews.com...
rolling blackouts are because california liberals have prevented any
power
plants to be built in the state in 20 years. The damn environmentalists
but
earth above human life
"Submariner" <OB@Hullnumber.com> wrote in message
news:vhrqtbghb7dp24@corp.supernews.com...
Cute.
Rolling blackouts? A direct result of Republican sponsored utility
deregulstion.
Deficit? Recall Davis and impeach Bush
On the Left, we don't need to invent our outrage.
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the
Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was
broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances
for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off
than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed
that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year
that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
.
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| User: "steveo" |
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| Title: Re: California DEMONcrats know nothing but Deceit, Lies and PoliticalGames for Politcial Gain |
23 Jul 2003 11:18:06 AM |
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Mike wrote:
rolling blackouts are because california liberals have prevented any power
plants to be built in the state in 20 years. The damn environmentalists but
earth above human life
This is a blatant lie. Please provide evidence that the construction of
even a single power plant was blocked by environmentalists. The truth is
that California's installed power plant capacity increased by 9% between
1990 and 2000.
The reason that power plant construction slowed in California was a flawed
energy deregulation plan passed during Republican Pete Wilson's term. This
plan prevented companies which sold energy to the public from owning power
plants. The details of this flawed plan were known well in advance of its
eventual passage, so all of the energy companies in the state were reluctant
to build new plants since they would eventually have to sell them.
If you want to continue to sound like a dumbshit, be my guest. If you
want to educate yourself on this subject, continue reading. Pay close
attention to the George Bush lie described in the last section.
http://www.energyfoundation.org/california/myths.cfm
Myths of the California Energy Crisis
=====================================
* "Soaring electricity demand."
According to the California Energy Commission, average retail sales
growth from 1990 to 1999 was only 1.1 percent per year, half the
national average, and half of California 's GDP growth. The state's
world-class energy efficiency programs and stringent efficiency
standards for buildings and appliances helped to slow demand growth,
especially in the first part of the 1990s, saving over 10,000
megawatts (one-fifth of California's peak demand), and 470.6 billion
kilowatt-hours of power. This is equivalent to two years of power
demand growth for the state as a whole. Utility-sponsored energy
efficiency programs were cut by 56 percent in 1995,3 as California
began its deregulation process, setting the stage for higher growth
in power demand, which rose to 3.5 percent from 1999-2000. According
to the California Energy Commission, we could have saved 1100 MW of
demand if we had kept funding efficiency programs at 1994 levels.
Demand growth in the Western region - outside of California - has
been soaring, especially in states that do little to promote energy
efficiency.
* "Huge electricity demand growth from the internet."
Claims that the internet is now using 8-13 percent of the nation 's
power, soon to be 50 percent are false. It is actually two percent
or less, with slow or no growth, and probably resulting in a net
saving for energy use as a whole.5
* "Environmental regulations have prevented power plant construction
and limited operation."
The shift away from long-term planning, uncertainty brought about
by deregulation, and rates that ensured stranded cost recovery-rather
than the state's environmental rules-chilled large-scale power plant
construction in the state for several years. However, many smaller
power plants were built in the 1990s. New power plants use
state-of-the-art air pollution controls and can be - and are being -
sited in states like California with strict air regulations. One
plant operator told the LA Times, "Air quality regulations ... are
not causing us to withhold power."
* "California built no power plants in the 1990s."
While it has a long power plant permitting process, California has
nonetheless added 4010 MW between 1990 and 2000 - about nine percent
of the state's total installed power plant capacity and almost as
much as the state 's nuclear capacity. Three of the new plants were
over 250 MW, but most were relatively small-scale, non-utility
generation resources, with an average unit size of 21 MW. Since
April 1999, 6300 MW of new plants have been approved by regulators
with another 7000 MW in the pipeline. Five of these, producing
2183 MW, will be online by September 2001.8
* "Desperate fuel shortage" (White House, December 21, 2001).
President Bush has argued that we must drill for oil in the Alaska
National Wildlife Refuge to alleviate California's "desperate fuel
shortage." Yet oil is used to generate only 0.02 percent of
California 's electricity, and about 3 percent of U.S. electricity.
Drilling for more oil won't solve California's power supply crisis.
In fact, in 1999, solar power alone produced 15 times more
electricity than oil in California, and does so with none of the
fuel-price volatility experienced by fossil fuels.
"Submariner" <OB@Hullnumber.com> wrote in message
news:vhrqtbghb7dp24@corp.supernews.com...
Cute.
Rolling blackouts? A direct result of Republican sponsored utility
deregulstion.
Deficit? Recall Davis and impeach Bush
On the Left, we don't need to invent our outrage.
<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
news:94nrhv09qro5vdi9liv7066er5i62h2o2j@4ax.com...
All when the Socialist Governor, probably the worst ever in
California, is about to be recalled in oblivion...
Still do the DemonCrats care about the Little People or all the Jobs,
the Economy and People Lives they are toying with?
THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T CARE!
LN
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/politics/2349587/detail.html
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting
their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for
political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing
progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on
Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and
the conversation was transmitted to about 500 "squawk boxes" that
enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on
legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg,
said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for
a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to
raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to
55 percent.
"No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a
transcript made by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off than
you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people
that you can't get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that
Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political
advantage.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about
whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give
taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that
let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg
said.
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| User: "Eric Salmassy" |
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| Title: Re: California DEMONcrats know nothing but Deceit, Lies and Political Games for Politcial Gain |
23 Jul 2003 11:57:35 AM |
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steveo <steve@notospam.com> wrote in news:3F1EB636.1090609@notospam.com:
This is a blatant lie. Please provide evidence that the construction
of even a single power plant was blocked by environmentalists. The
truth is that California's installed power plant capacity increased by
9% between 1990 and 2000.
Don't bother trying to argue facts with a wingnut. Rush said it, they
believe it, that settles it.
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