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24 Jun 2005 02:21:55 PM |
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Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
From http://melissasliberty.blogspot.com/
Well as if it wasn't bad enough that our own government made it
illegal to buy lower cost drugs from Canada, thereby initiating
force against peaceful Americans who are only trying to trade
freely and who can't afford the artificially high drug prices
meant to gouge Americans while they charge less to everyone else,
now the Canadian government is planning on legislating against us
too, by stopping their own pharmacies from selling to us.
This hits home more than many other issues because my insurance
used to pay for Zyrtec, which is the only antihistamine I've ever
found that really works for my year-around allergies. But they
quit paying for it years ago, as the U.S. insurance industry
started refusing to pay for brand name drugs.
So I started buying it from Canada for about 1/4 the price that
U.S. drug companies charge.
So what does the U.S. government have to gain by making it where
I can't afford the stuff anymore? It's possible that our
politicians are in the back pockets of the U.S. drug companies.
But if they stop me from buying it from Canada, it won't mean
that I'll pour my money into the coffers of the U.S. drug
companies, because I can't AFFORD their high prices. So who gains
by making it where I have to itch and walk around with constant
sinus infections? I don't understand this.
It seems purely spiteful, like if the U.S. drug companies can't
profit from me, they intend to see that I don't get the drugs
that I need.
This can only fuel the liberal calls for "single payer" socialist
medicine in this country. Will that benefit the drug companies?
Is that the motive?
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Yours In Liberty, Melissa - Colorado, U.S.A.
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| User: "Dave Schroeder" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
24 Jun 2005 05:28:32 PM |
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Melissa <melissa@Colorado.xxx> wrote in message:
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From http://melissasliberty.blogspot.com/
Well as if it wasn't bad enough that our own government made it
illegal to buy lower cost drugs from Canada, thereby initiating
force against peaceful Americans who are only trying to trade
freely and who can't afford the artificially high drug prices
meant to gouge Americans while they charge less to everyone else,
now the Canadian government is planning on legislating against us
too, by stopping their own pharmacies from selling to us.
The USA should solve its own problems. The problem in Canada has to do with
concerns about a country the size of California becoming the pharmaceutical
supplier to a country 10 times its size. Supply is a concern, supply for
Canadians comes first.
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| User: "Chas" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
26 Jun 2005 09:55:09 AM |
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"Dave Schroeder" <xyz123456@yahoo.com> wrote
The USA should solve its own problems.
Shipping drugs to foreign countries soas to profit by smuggling them back
into the US has been a mechanism for pharmaceutical companies since they
sold rolls of bennies under the counter at truck stops in the Forties, and
you could make money smuggling penicillin.
The problem in Canada has to do with
concerns about a country the size of California becoming the
pharmaceutical
supplier to a country 10 times its size.
You mean Puerto Rico?
That's just another tax haven kinda thing. The pharmaceutical companies
benefitted in their tax posture by moving down there.
Supply is a concern, supply for
Canadians comes first.
Then have your giant pharmaceutical companies nationalized- seems the
socialist thing to do.
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Chas
http://warriorschest.com/pals.htm
http://www.kuntaosilat.com
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| User: "Grass roots" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
26 Jun 2005 12:11:21 PM |
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote :
"Dave Schroeder" <xyz123456@yahoo.com> wrote
The USA should solve its own problems.
Shipping drugs to foreign countries soas to profit by
smuggling them back into the US has been a mechanism for
pharmaceutical companies since they sold rolls of bennies
under the counter at truck stops in the Forties, and you could
make money smuggling penicillin.
The problem in Canada has to do with
concerns about a country the size of California becoming the
pharmaceutical
supplier to a country 10 times its size.
You mean Puerto Rico?
That's just another tax haven kinda thing. The pharmaceutical
companies benefitted in their tax posture by moving down
there.
Supply is a concern, supply for
Canadians comes first.
Then have your giant pharmaceutical companies nationalized-
seems the socialist thing to do.
which would be ok with you
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Grassroots
United States of America
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| User: "Leonard Pinth-Garnell" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
26 Jun 2005 10:00:42 AM |
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Chas <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message:
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"Dave Schroeder" <xyz123456@yahoo.com> wrote
The USA should solve its own problems.
Shipping drugs to foreign countries soas to profit by smuggling them back
into the US has been a mechanism for pharmaceutical companies since they
sold rolls of bennies under the counter at truck stops in the Forties, and
you could make money smuggling penicillin.
The problem in Canada has to do with
concerns about a country the size of California becoming the
pharmaceutical
supplier to a country 10 times its size.
You mean Puerto Rico?
That's just another tax haven kinda thing. The pharmaceutical companies
benefitted in their tax posture by moving down there.
Supply is a concern, supply for
Canadians comes first.
Then have your giant pharmaceutical companies nationalized- seems the
socialist thing to do.
Why should they have them nationalized when they have the power to control
export, just as the USA does. I agree with him, the USA's problems should be
solved here. Drug prices are out of control in the USA, where more is spent
on advertising than on R&D, while the government ships them truckloads of
money to support their research. It's a joke.
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| User: "Rocco" |
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26 Jun 2005 10:05:35 AM |
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Chas <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message:
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Then have your giant pharmaceutical companies nationalized- seems the
socialist thing to do.
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Typical rightard, probably purchasing his medication from Canada, all the
while criticizing the "socialist" system that benefits him.
Look up the meaning of Socialism and try to apply it to Canada, it doesn't
work. The systems in the USA and Canada are by and large semi-socialist.
The USA is no better or no worse than Canada.
Rightards always seem to use words that they don't know the meaning of,
something all too common on Usenet.
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| User: "Ms Voice of freedom" |
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26 Jun 2005 12:18:25 PM |
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Rocco <rocco@nospam.com> wrote :
Chas <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message:
news:<GfOdncUu25hQXCPfRVn-rw@comcast.com>
Then have your giant pharmaceutical companies nationalized-
seems the socialist thing to do.
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Typical rightard, probably purchasing his medication from
Canada, all the while criticizing the "socialist" system that
benefits him.
Look up the meaning of Socialism and try to apply it to
Canada, it doesn't work.
so·cial·ism _(s$Æshà lizÅÃm), n.
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the
vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production
and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a
whole.
And that can happen without total siezure of all property, when
the government takes, say 40% of one's income, owning part of
your personal means of production, and dictates virtually every
aspect of your life.
Socialism is when collective powers and whims outweigh individual
rights, and we certainly have significant socialism here in the
U.S. now.
The systems in the USA and Canada
are by and large semi-socialist. The USA is no better or no
worse than Canada.
Nonsense. Canada is way further down the socialist scale than the
U.S., with socialist medicine and loss of RKBA ( the universal
individual human Right to Keep and Bear Arms ).
Rightards always seem to use words that they don't know the
meaning of, something all too common on Usenet.
Moron. And quit setting follow-ups to idiotic groups, netwit.
--
Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
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the support of hundreds of millions of people all over the world.
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Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
DOESN'T EVERYONE DESERVE A BILL OF RIGHTS?
The last best hope for a liberty.
A subscriber Bill of Individual Rights with the goal of enlisting
the support of hundreds of millions of people all over the world.
http://upalliance.blogspot.com/
http://upalliance.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Universal-Planetary-Alliance/
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| User: "nospam" |
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26 Jun 2005 12:53:35 PM |
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Ms Voice of freedom wrote:
Socialism is when collective powers and whims outweigh individual
rights ....
Then, Capitalism is when the powers and whims of a few super-rich outweigh
individual rights of everybody else. The same as Communism, which is when
powers and whims of an oligarchy outweigh individual rights of everybody
else.
If you want to understand politics, you should stop reciting cheap
propaganda slogans.
We are not talking here about Capitalism vs. Socialism, Communism vs.
Anarchism.
US is not a pure capitalist country (the classic capitalism, hopefully
failed in Great Depression) and Canada is not a Socialist country
(Socialism being just an utopia with possible 0 chances to ever be
experienced anywhere in the real world).
We are talking about a miserable failure of the US system to provide an
elementary human right, access to health care. We also see the Canada
succeeding in this field.
Therefore, there are lesson US can learn from Canada.
So, stop using propaganda slogans, and let focus about what US can do
better.
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| User: "Ms Voice of freedom" |
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26 Jun 2005 02:06:25 PM |
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nospam <nospam@example.com> wrote :
Ms Voice of freedom wrote:
Socialism is when collective powers and whims outweigh
individual rights ....
Then, Capitalism is when the powers and whims of a few
super-rich outweigh individual rights of everybody else.
Obviously you're a socialist who hates freedom, to even say that.
We are talking about a miserable failure of the US system to
provide an elementary human right, access to health care.
Where the is that ever a legitimate human right. You don't even
know the difference between legitimate human rights and socialist
entitlements!
huÆman rightsÆ,
fundamental rights, esp. those believed to belong to an
individual and in whose exercise a government may not interfere,
as the rights to speak, associate, work, etc.
[1785–95]
See anything about entitlements to force other people to support
you?
"Since Man has inalienable individual rights, this means that the
same rights are held, individually, by every man, by all men, at
all times. Therefore, the rights of one man cannot & must not
violate the rights of another. For instance: a man has the right
to live, but he has no right to take the life of another. He has
the right to be free, but no right to enslave another. He has the
right to choose his own happiness, but no right to decide that
his happiness lies in the misery (or murder or robbery or
enslavement) of another. The very right upon which he acts
defines the same right of another man, & serves as a guide to
tell him what he may or may not do." - Ayn Rand, TextBook of
Americanism
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will
within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do
not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but
the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of
the individual." - Thomas Jefferson
We
also see the Canada succeeding in this field.
Succeeding in robbing some people to pay for the care of others.
Therefore, there are lesson US can learn from Canada.
Yes, what to avoid. We have Canadians coming here for health
care, because theirs is so lousy.
So, stop using propaganda slogans, and let focus about what US
can do better.
If you consider enslaving people to be "doing better".
--
Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
DOESN'T EVERYONE DESERVE A BILL OF RIGHTS?
The last best hope for a liberty.
A subscriber Bill of Individual Rights with the goal of enlisting
the support of hundreds of millions of people all over the world.
http://upalliance.blogspot.com/
http://upalliance.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Universal-Planetary-Alliance/
Please pass the word.
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| User: "Kenneth W. Dantley, Jr." |
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26 Jun 2005 02:07:21 PM |
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Ms Voice of freedom <MsVoiceFreedom@freedom.naa> wrote in message:
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Obviously you're a socialist who hates freedom, to even say that.
Listen to the right wing mindless turd spewing slogans. You soul like a
Camput Maoist or some brainwashed *****-for-brains from North Korea.
Don't they teach you imbeciles how to think on your own?
You're pathetic. Typical right wing clods, blaming Canada for their own
problems. No wonder you guys can't solve even the simplest of problems, you
let rhetoric and partisan dogma cloud every thought you manage to extrude
from those feeble minds of yours.
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| User: "nospam" |
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26 Jun 2005 03:48:15 PM |
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Ms Voice of freedom wrote:
Obviously you're a socialist who hates freedom, to even say that.
1. Can you please define your understanding of "freedom" ?
2. You are wrong, I am not socialist. Your misunderstanding of
of socialism, capitalism and so on, make you believe that everybody
who oppose corruption is a socialist.
Where the is that ever a legitimate human right. You don't even
know the difference between legitimate human rights and socialist
entitlements!
Into the post capitalistic society of the future. Kid, we are living into
a society facing some challenges like never before. The technological
revolution of out times do make the old ideology to be not just obsolete
but harmful. The globalization due to Internet and the revolution in
autonomous robotics which is just across the corner (about 10 years
from now) is going to hit US so hard with severe social issues, that
if no evolutionary methods are already implemented for a social
transition to post capitalistic society, a possible communist revolution
may take place.
Obsolete ideologies will go away in the same way in the same way did slavery
and feudalistic systems. The question is: Are we smart enough to prevent a
messy outcome, or get stuck with 200 years old obsolete ideologies in order
maximize the sufferings ? Keep in mind that the evolution is not going to
stop unless we bomb itself in the stone age.
"Since Man has inalienable individual rights, this means that the
same rights are held, individually, by every man, by all men, at
all times. Therefore, the rights of one man cannot & must not
violate the rights of another.
So let say:
- Why the rights of shareholders do violate the rights of employee,
so they get fired into a recession in order to provide return to
shareholders?
- Why the rights of the investors in health insurance companies violate
the rights of a individual with precondition who are rejected when apply
for health insurance?
- Why the well paid lobby companies violate the rights of millions when
lobby in Washington for a few wealthy?
For instance: a man has the right
to live, but he has no right to take the life of another.
18000 people die in US every single year due to the fact that they can not
afford health care. This is 6 times September 11 happening EVERY SINGLE
YEAR over and over again. This is genocide. Their lives are taken to
maximize the return of investment.
He has the right to choose his own happiness, but no right to decide
that his happiness lies in the misery (or murder or robbery or
enslavement) of another.
Like an employer who know that a candidate is unemployed for quite some time
and desperate to have a job so he offer him a miserable salary ?
Like insurance shareholders having more money to spend into Casino with the
price of people suffering from lack of medical care?
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will
within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do
not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but
the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of
the individual." - Thomas Jefferson
Correct. This is exactly what happen right now !!!
The humongous power accumulation in multinational corporations is the
leading political force in US. Propaganda, by controlling media it is
another force used to take advantage of weak minded individuals lacking
brainpower to draw the line between cheap propaganda and reality.
Succeeding in robbing some people to pay for the care of others.
If this is robbery then uneven share of the profits between investors and
workers it is robbery too?
If you consider enslaving people to be "doing better".
Grow up kid !!! And THINK before you type !!!!
Enslavement is always done by the strong. The enslaved is always the weak.
If you are afraid about enslavement, the power accumulation into the hands
of a few multinational corporation is where you have to look for. Money
open the door for corruption. To much money open the door for to much
corruption.
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| User: "Ms Voice of freedom" |
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24 Jun 2005 06:01:57 PM |
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Dave Schroeder <xyz123456@yahoo.com> wrote :
Melissa <melissa@Colorado.xxx> wrote in message:
news:<1119640915.49b55496d672fe56e41fa8bdfde66a77@teranews>
From http://melissasliberty.blogspot.com/
Well as if it wasn't bad enough that our own government made
it illegal to buy lower cost drugs from Canada, thereby
initiating force against peaceful Americans who are only
trying to trade freely and who can't afford the artificially
high drug prices meant to gouge Americans while they charge
less to everyone else, now the Canadian government is
planning on legislating against us too, by stopping their own
pharmacies from selling to us.
The USA should solve its own problems. The problem in Canada
has to do with concerns about a country the size of California
becoming the pharmaceutical supplier to a country 10 times its
size. Supply is a concern, supply for Canadians comes first.
That's nonsensical. All the Canadian companies are doing is
buying drugs wholesale from the U.S. at reduced prices due to
Canadian price controls, then selling them back to us. The supply
isn't in danger.
--
Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
The Planetary Bill of Rights Project needs major startup funding:
http://upalliance.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Dave Schroeder" |
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24 Jun 2005 07:40:30 PM |
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Ms Voice of freedom <MsVoiceFreedom@freedom.naa> wrote in message:
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That's nonsensical. All the Canadian companies are doing is
buying drugs wholesale from the U.S. at reduced prices due to
Canadian price controls, then selling them back to us. The supply
isn't in danger.
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In fact, the fear is that it is in danger because though many of the drugs
are produced in Canada and outside the USA, most of the drug companies are US
based and have the right to control the amount that Canada gets if they want.
That could result in some kind of embargo.
The US drug companies have the US government by the balls, they can also
extend their reach to the Canadian supply if they fear that they are losing
money by Canada exporting to the USA.
This isn't my opinion, it's the view of Health Canada.
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| User: "Dave Schroeder" |
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24 Jun 2005 07:46:52 PM |
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Dave Schroeder <xyz123456@yahoo.com> wrote in message:
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Ms Voice of freedom <MsVoiceFreedom@freedom.naa> wrote in message:
news:<1119654124.fe0f30a3749bcdd2a76a62f4e77c5291@teranews>
That's nonsensical. All the Canadian companies are doing is
buying drugs wholesale from the U.S. at reduced prices due to
Canadian price controls, then selling them back to us. The supply
isn't in danger.
--
In fact, the fear is that it is in danger because though many of the drugs
are produced in Canada and outside the USA, most of the drug companies are US
based and have the right to control the amount that Canada gets if they want.
That could result in some kind of embargo.
The US drug companies have the US government by the balls, they can also
extend their reach to the Canadian supply if they fear that they are losing
money by Canada exporting to the USA.
This isn't my opinion, it's the view of Health Canada.
I still think that if you guys want cheap drugs, fix it yourself instead of
allowing your government (and even the opposition) to bow down to those
cruds.
I fell over laughing during the debate between Sen. Kerry and President Bush
when they discussed the prices and both of them avoided the idea of taking on
the US Drug giants head on and said that Canada was the answer.
That's pathetic, if you ask me.
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| User: "Ms Voice of freedom" |
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24 Jun 2005 10:08:57 PM |
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Dave Schroeder <xyz123456@yahoo.com> wrote :
Dave Schroeder <xyz123456@yahoo.com> wrote in message:
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Ms Voice of freedom <MsVoiceFreedom@freedom.naa> wrote in
message:
news:<1119654124.fe0f30a3749bcdd2a76a62f4e77c5291@teranews>
That's nonsensical. All the Canadian companies are doing is
buying drugs wholesale from the U.S. at reduced prices due
to Canadian price controls, then selling them back to us.
The supply isn't in danger.
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In fact, the fear is that it is in danger because though many
of the drugs are produced in Canada and outside the USA, most
of the drug companies are US based and have the right to
control the amount that Canada gets if they want.
That could result in some kind of embargo.
The US drug companies have the US government by the balls,
they can also extend their reach to the Canadian supply if
they fear that they are losing money by Canada exporting to
the USA.
This isn't my opinion, it's the view of Health Canada.
I still think that if you guys want cheap drugs, fix it
yourself instead of allowing your government (and even the
opposition) to bow down to those cruds.
Fix it yourself?
--
Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
The Planetary Bill of Rights Project needs major startup funding:
http://upalliance.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Dave Schroeder" |
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24 Jun 2005 10:18:34 PM |
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Ms Voice of freedom <MsVoiceFreedom@freedom.naa> wrote in message:
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Fix it yourself?
Yeah! You're the USA! When you have a crime issue, the 2-A fixes it.
Y'all can bear arms to keep the scum out.
You say that you have the "world's greatest democracy", and you prove it a
lot of times.
Now, you need to address the fact that you're getting ripped off by
pharmaceutical companies. Why do you need to rely on a foreign country for
help? Why is Canada the cure for all that nonsense?
Deal with it! It's not Canada's problem! Why are you complaining about
Canada's reticence to sell you medication when the reason is yours?
What ever happened to the prime American value of being "self sufficient"?
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| User: "Chas" |
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26 Jun 2005 10:06:32 AM |
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"Dave Schroeder" <xyz123456@yahoo.com> wrote
You say that you have the "world's greatest democracy", and you prove it a
lot of times.
Actually, we have the world's greatest representative Republic, and we prove
it *all* the time.
Now, you need to address the fact that you're getting ripped off by
pharmaceutical companies. Why do you need to rely on a foreign country
for
help? Why is Canada the cure for all that nonsense?
It's the Laundry of Socialism; buy en bloc, sell at piece.
Mexico used to be, maybe still is, the same sort of source. The
pharmaceutical companies would sell *huge* amounts of their drugs down
South. Then they would benefit by the restricted access up here, as well as
the profit smuggling them back into the US and selling them on the
black-market. In addition, Northern smugglers could take theraputic
pharmaceuticals down there and trade them for gold/silver/drugs/antiquities
and so on.
Deal with it! It's not Canada's problem! Why are you complaining about
Canada's reticence to sell you medication when the reason is yours?
Canada has become a major smuggling nation; illegal immigrants, durgs, even
munitions for international terrorists. Their businessmen are exploiting the
socialist purchasing power of a whole nation against the need for the
therapeutics that exists here in a highly regulated capitalist environment.
What ever happened to the prime American value of being "self sufficient"?
Remember who produces most of the drugs in the first place, eh?
--
Chas
http://warriorschest.com/pals.htm
http://www.kuntaosilat.com
www.willemdethouars.com
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| User: "Ms Voice of freedom" |
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26 Jun 2005 12:20:02 PM |
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote :
"Dave Schroeder" <xyz123456@yahoo.com> wrote
You say that you have the "world's greatest democracy", and
you prove it a lot of times.
Actually, we have the world's greatest representative
Republic, and we prove it *all* the time.
How can you say that, after just advocating that the collective
should have total control of our lives, "for the collective
good"?
--
Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
DOESN'T EVERYONE DESERVE A BILL OF RIGHTS?
The last best hope for a liberty.
A subscriber Bill of Individual Rights with the goal of enlisting
the support of hundreds of millions of people all over the world.
http://upalliance.blogspot.com/
http://upalliance.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Universal-Planetary-Alliance/
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| User: "Chas" |
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26 Jun 2005 12:28:44 PM |
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"Ms Voice of freedom" <MsVoiceFreedom@freedom.naa> wrote
Actually, we have the world's greatest representative
Republic, and we prove it *all* the time.
How can you say that, after just advocating that the collective
should have total control of our lives, "for the collective
good"?
Well, in the first place, I didn't advocate anything like that-
secondly, a Republic *is* a collective- and stands alone as one constituted
to benefit the 'people'. That's pretty unique, as collectives go.
Chas
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| User: "nospam" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
26 Jun 2005 12:23:07 PM |
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Chas wrote:
Canada has become a major smuggling nation; illegal immigrants, durgs,
even munitions for international terrorists. Their businessmen are
exploiting the socialist purchasing power of a whole nation against the
need for the therapeutics that exists here in a highly regulated
capitalist environment.
The Canada do the right thing: Get cheap drugs for their people.
The US problem is an obsolete approach to health care.
First, any civilized nation should get the point that access to affordable
health care it is a human right. Those who do not accept this fact, are no
more mentally developed than a chicken.
Second, private health insurance it is incompatible with a for profit
business. A for profit business have as first priority to increase the
return to shareholders. A health insurance system should have as first
priority getting people healthy.
This incompatibility is the reason for increasing premiums, decreasing
coverage, denial or reduction of coverage whenever a trap-door is found
into the legislation, refusal to accept individual applications for people
with preconditions.
Third, linking the health coverage with the employment status it is at
least brain damaged (if no criminal). There are a couple of reasons I claim
that:
- Exactly when a family make less money, they are required to pay in full
either the insurance premiums either the cost of the care.
- One have insurance when he don't have time to take care of serious issues
requiring lengthy hospitalization or frequent doctor visits. When
unemployed (having time) he have no insurance. The result, the issues get
aggravated because of neglect.
- If a serious illness struck making the individual unable to go to work, he
is not just loosing his salary but also the insurance.
- An individual having his family dependent on his insurance is less
likely to quit his job to try starting a business on his own. Even the
essence of capitalism (competition) is stifled by this practice.
Fourth, any company run for profit. Drug companies included. The prices
between insurer and drug maker are to be negotiated. As much bargain power
you have behind, as much you can lower the price. You can get one price if
you negotiate for 1 mil. people or a better one if you have behind 100 mil.
Having hundred of insurance companies to negotiate for the same population
is definitely not going to help getting a better price.
And, some big shareholders in insurance companies are also holding shares in
drug companies. The chance for some rich shareholders putting pressure of
CEO to not bargain too hard it is always possible.
But of course, Canada is to blame !!!!!
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| User: "Strabo" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
26 Jun 2005 09:36:32 PM |
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In Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to
Americans on Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:40:30 -0400, by Dave Schroeder,
we read:
Ms Voice of freedom <MsVoiceFreedom@freedom.naa> wrote in message:
news:<1119654124.fe0f30a3749bcdd2a76a62f4e77c5291@teranews>
That's nonsensical. All the Canadian companies are doing is
buying drugs wholesale from the U.S. at reduced prices due to
Canadian price controls, then selling them back to us. The supply
isn't in danger.
--
In fact, the fear is that it is in danger because though many of the drugs
are produced in Canada and outside the USA, most of the drug companies are US
based and have the right to control the amount that Canada gets if they want.
That could result in some kind of embargo.
The US drug companies have the US government by the balls, they can also
extend their reach to the Canadian supply if they fear that they are losing
money by Canada exporting to the USA.
This isn't my opinion, it's the view of Health Canada.
Drug manufacturing, distribution and sales in the US
is a government controlled monopoly. There is no competition.
Drug companies pay big bribes to politicians, bureacrats, and
other cogs in the commercial wheel to maintain huge profit
margins.
Since it is clear that the government intends to tighten
the bottleneck to make US buyers pay more, and it has
proven impossible to rid ourselves of the conspirators
that maintain these artificial price levels, Americans should
find independent sources.
Where feasible, manufacture your drugs or buy on the
black market.
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| User: "Bush-man" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
27 Jun 2005 07:14:04 AM |
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Strabo <strabo@flashlight.net> wrote in message:
news:<81pub1dhme53c1iull87ef4bas914bd2eo@4ax.com>
In Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to
Americans on Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:40:30 -0400, by Dave Schroeder,
we read:
Ms Voice of freedom <MsVoiceFreedom@freedom.naa> wrote in message:
news:<1119654124.fe0f30a3749bcdd2a76a62f4e77c5291@teranews>
That's nonsensical. All the Canadian companies are doing is
buying drugs wholesale from the U.S. at reduced prices due to
Canadian price controls, then selling them back to us. The supply
isn't in danger.
--
In fact, the fear is that it is in danger because though many of the drugs
are produced in Canada and outside the USA, most of the drug companies are US
based and have the right to control the amount that Canada gets if they want.
That could result in some kind of embargo.
The US drug companies have the US government by the balls, they can also
extend their reach to the Canadian supply if they fear that they are losing
money by Canada exporting to the USA.
This isn't my opinion, it's the view of Health Canada.
Drug manufacturing, distribution and sales in the US
is a government controlled monopoly. There is no competition.
Drug companies pay big bribes to politicians, bureacrats, and
other cogs in the commercial wheel to maintain huge profit
margins.
Since it is clear that the government intends to tighten
the bottleneck to make US buyers pay more, and it has
proven impossible to rid ourselves of the conspirators
that maintain these artificial price levels, Americans should
find independent sources.
Where feasible, manufacture your drugs or buy on the
black market.
Sure! If they can make Crystal Meth at home with common materials found in a
hardware store, why not Insulin or "the purple pill"!
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| User: "nospam" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
24 Jun 2005 09:27:30 PM |
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Melissa wrote:
found that really works for my year-around allergies. But they
quit paying for it years ago, as the U.S. insurance industry
started refusing to pay for brand name drugs.
So I started buying it from Canada for about 1/4 the price that
U.S. drug companies charge.
You can not blame Canada. A countries gov. have to do what is in his best
interest of his people. If Canada got issues with selling drugs in US,
they have to protect themselves. I know it is unpleasant to listen to this,
but the duty to protect US people belong to US gov. and not to Canadian
gov.
And here the issues begin. Any private/ for proffit company have one goal:
To maximize the return to the shareholders. That is. If you can employ
various scams to deny or reduce paid coverage this is perfect, how long
there is no violation of laws. In case that some planed scams may violate
some laws, the lobby companies are eager to give help. So, laws are changed
in order to make the planed scams to be legal.
The paid lobby never sleep. Fake reports and countless lies are spread to
prove the "superiority" of a system killing 18000 peoples each year
compared with a system providing coverage for everybody.
Unfortunate, there are enough naive people believing it.
It is unbelievable that one of the wealthyest nations on Earth, do have in
XXI century the same uncivilized mentality toward human life as in the dark
ages: Only rich deserve to be considered human beings.
One who lost his job, do not deserve health care, isn't it?
Breaking news:
==============
The uninsured pool will soon increase with a number of IBM workers.
"""
NEW YORK (AFP) - US tech giant IBM plans to increase its payroll in India
this year by 14,000 workers as it cuts up to 13,000 jobs in Europe and the
United States, a labor group said.
"""
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050624/bs_afp/uscompanyitibmindia_050624173958;_ylt=AgRlljoTZJyMA.yCWCN8mECs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGI2aDNqBHNlYwM3NDk-
But ofcourse, Canada is to blame !!!!!!
And let not forget: Damn French are guilty too :-))
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| User: "modest" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
24 Jun 2005 04:30:40 PM |
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Remember it's the same idiots who make it "illegal" for terminally ill
people to smoke marijuana to ease their suffering.
"Melissa" <melissa@Colorado.xxx> wrote in message
news:1119640915.49b55496d672fe56e41fa8bdfde66a77@teranews...
From http://melissasliberty.blogspot.com/
Well as if it wasn't bad enough that our own government made it
illegal to buy lower cost drugs from Canada, thereby initiating
force against peaceful Americans who are only trying to trade
freely and who can't afford the artificially high drug prices
meant to gouge Americans while they charge less to everyone else,
now the Canadian government is planning on legislating against us
too, by stopping their own pharmacies from selling to us.
This hits home more than many other issues because my insurance
used to pay for Zyrtec, which is the only antihistamine I've ever
found that really works for my year-around allergies. But they
quit paying for it years ago, as the U.S. insurance industry
started refusing to pay for brand name drugs.
So I started buying it from Canada for about 1/4 the price that
U.S. drug companies charge.
So what does the U.S. government have to gain by making it where
I can't afford the stuff anymore? It's possible that our
politicians are in the back pockets of the U.S. drug companies.
But if they stop me from buying it from Canada, it won't mean
that I'll pour my money into the coffers of the U.S. drug
companies, because I can't AFFORD their high prices. So who gains
by making it where I have to itch and walk around with constant
sinus infections? I don't understand this.
It seems purely spiteful, like if the U.S. drug companies can't
profit from me, they intend to see that I don't get the drugs
that I need.
This can only fuel the liberal calls for "single payer" socialist
medicine in this country. Will that benefit the drug companies?
Is that the motive?
--
Yours In Liberty, Melissa - Colorado, U.S.A.
http://melissasliberty.blogspot.com/
The last best hope for liberty, to give the world its first Bill
of
Rights: http://www.UPAlliance.org/billofrights.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Universal-Planetary-Alliance/
http://lakewoodcolorado.net/school.htm
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| User: "Ms Voice of freedom" |
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| Title: Re: Canada to legislate against selling lower cost drugs to Americans |
24 Jun 2005 05:59:51 PM |
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"modest" <modest@newsman.org> wrote :
Remember it's the same idiots who make it "illegal" for
terminally ill people to smoke marijuana to ease their
suffering.
Last I heard, both sides wanted the WOSDU ( War On Some Drug Users
).
--
Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
The Planetary Bill of Rights Project needs major startup funding:
http://upalliance.blogspot.com/
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