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"Captain Compassion" |
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17 May 2007 09:43:54 AM |
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Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay |
Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay
Published: Wednesday 16 May 2007
http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/carmakers-ask-co2-cap-delay/article-163821
Automobile manufacturers are demanding that Brussels allow them an
additional three years to prepare for stringent new carbon-dioxide
emission limits due in 2012.
The European Carmakers' Association, ACEA, on 15 May, called on the
Commission to allow manufacturers sufficient preparation time before
implementing legislation that would force them to cut CO2 emissions
from new cars to an average of 130 grammes per kilometre across the
fleet.
The EU's executive wants the target to be met by 2012, but ACEA
President Sergio Marchionne argued that this would be too soon as the
legal framework will probably not be ready before 2009. By then, he
said, the cars of 2012 will have left the drawing tables. "The
industry must be granted sufficient lead time to meet any new
requirements, and the first feasible date for that to be accomplished
is 2015," he stressed.
Marchionne added that the Commission's plan to place nearly the entire
burden of CO2 reductions on the vehicle industry – neglecting other
more industry-friendly means of reducing CO2, such as traffic
management, biofuels and taxation – would cost Europe thousands of
jobs.
But environmentalists are accusing carmakers of attempting to shirk
their responsibilities by calling for such an integrated approach and
point out the industry's failure to reduce CO2 emissions on a
voluntary basis.
A voluntary agreement, signed with the Commission in 1998, requires
European car manufacturers to bring average fleet CO2 emissions down
to 140 g/km by 2008. But they have so far only succeeded in bringing
the figure down to 163 g/km. The Commission now wants overall emission
levels down to 120 g/km by 2012, with carmakers to bear the
responsibility of bringing the figure down to 130 g/km through
improved engine technology alone.
Parliament has yet to approve the Commission's plan, but according to
various press reports, UK Liberal Democrat MEP Chris Davies, who is
rapporteur on the proposal, could propose extending the timeframe –
possibly to 2014, when new rules on other pollutant emissions from
cars, known as Euro 6, come into force.
"It takes years to change production lines and research the
technology. We don't want to chase the industry out of Europe," the
Financial Times reported him as saying.
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay |
18 May 2007 01:47:43 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay
Published: Wednesday 16 May 2007
http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/carmakers-ask-co2-cap-delay/article-163821
Automobile manufacturers are demanding that Brussels allow them an
additional three years to prepare for stringent new carbon-dioxide
emission limits due in 2012.
Alligator tears. Car makers can just start shipping EV's.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay |
19 May 2007 08:04:05 PM |
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 02:47:43 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay
Published: Wednesday 16 May 2007
http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/carmakers-ask-co2-cap-delay/article-163821
Automobile manufacturers are demanding that Brussels allow them an
additional three years to prepare for stringent new carbon-dioxide
emission limits due in 2012.
Alligator tears. Car makers can just start shipping EV's.
Europe would then be like Cuba. Everyone driving used cars. EV don't
make it.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay |
20 May 2007 12:44:08 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2007 02:47:43 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay
Published: Wednesday 16 May 2007
http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/carmakers-ask-co2-cap-delay/article-163821
Automobile manufacturers are demanding that Brussels allow them an
additional three years to prepare for stringent new carbon-dioxide
emission limits due in 2012.
Alligator tears. Car makers can just start shipping EV's.
Europe would then be like Cuba. Everyone driving used cars. EV don't
make it.
EV's do make it, dude.
Again, it's about saving money. Why buy gas at 3.75 a gallon when you
can wiz by the gas station in your EV and wave too-da-loo.
And, in mass production, EV's are cheaper to make than gasoline driven
vehicles.
And, maintenance on EV's is a darn sight cheaper, as they just don't
have the parts count.
---
Stop being a shill for big oil and Detroit, will you?
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay |
20 May 2007 11:31:59 AM |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 01:44:08 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2007 02:47:43 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay
Published: Wednesday 16 May 2007
http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/carmakers-ask-co2-cap-delay/article-163821
Automobile manufacturers are demanding that Brussels allow them an
additional three years to prepare for stringent new carbon-dioxide
emission limits due in 2012.
Alligator tears. Car makers can just start shipping EV's.
Europe would then be like Cuba. Everyone driving used cars. EV don't
make it.
EV's do make it, dude.
Again, it's about saving money. Why buy gas at 3.75 a gallon when you
can wiz by the gas station in your EV and wave too-da-loo.
I can walk by the gas station and do the same thing.
And, in mass production, EV's are cheaper to make than gasoline driven
vehicles.
And, maintenance on EV's is a darn sight cheaper, as they just don't
have the parts count.
Depends what your driving needs are. In an urban setting where the
local market is several blocks away and entertainment, friends and
relatives are all within a mere 10s of miles and things are relatively
flat then EV are ok. But here in the inter mountain West distances are
measured in 100s of miles and stuff is up and down EV won't work.
My criteria for a successful EV would something that could go 300
miles at 60 MPH over various terrain with 4 passengers and their gear
on one charge and a maximum charge time of 1/2 hour.
Better batteries are needed.
---
Stop being a shill for big oil and Detroit, will you?
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay |
21 May 2007 01:46:07 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2007 01:44:08 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2007 02:47:43 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Carmakers ask for CO2 cap delay
Published: Wednesday 16 May 2007
http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/carmakers-ask-co2-cap-delay/article-163821
Automobile manufacturers are demanding that Brussels allow them an
additional three years to prepare for stringent new carbon-dioxide
emission limits due in 2012.
Alligator tears. Car makers can just start shipping EV's.
Europe would then be like Cuba. Everyone driving used cars. EV don't
make it.
EV's do make it, dude.
Again, it's about saving money. Why buy gas at 3.75 a gallon when you
can wiz by the gas station in your EV and wave too-da-loo.
I can walk by the gas station and do the same thing.
And, in mass production, EV's are cheaper to make than gasoline driven
vehicles.
And, maintenance on EV's is a darn sight cheaper, as they just don't
have the parts count.
Depends what your driving needs are. In an urban setting where the
local market is several blocks away and entertainment, friends and
relatives are all within a mere 10s of miles and things are relatively
flat then EV are ok. But here in the inter mountain West distances are
measured in 100s of miles and stuff is up and down EV won't work.
My criteria for a successful EV would something that could go 300
miles at 60 MPH over various terrain with 4 passengers and their gear
on one charge and a maximum charge time of 1/2 hour.
Better batteries are needed.
Sure, better batteries are needed, but the ones we have today are good
enough for 80% of our personal transportation needs.
The 100 mile limitation is really no limitation at all if you commute 25
miles each way a day.
For longer jaunts, just rent a van or truck.
So, say the Chinese can produce the Chang-Hi-Sheck-mobile for 10k, you'd
be way ahead to buy one for commuting, and just pay the 20 bucks a day
to rent a gasoline-mobile when you needed it.
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Stop being a shill for big oil and Detroit, will you?
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