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Politics > Politics-USA |
| User: |
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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09 May 2007 09:56:39 AM |
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Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.
So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
11 May 2007 12:33:07 PM |
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1vte2$csm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Many go so far as to vote with their diaphragms, condoms,
and pills:
[The Catholic Bishops of America] acknowledged that most
married Catholics -- 96 percent, according to their
own estimate -- use birth control.
(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/11/15/bishops_stress_sexual_issues_and_warn_on_communion/)
And this is what the Pope wants to change. Being a Catholic means having
ALL of the Catholic beliefs and faiths, following ALL of the Catholic rules.
Or, go have some other religion.
Simple.
The Pope can want whatever the hell he chooses. But if he
excommunicated 96% of Catholics in this country because they won't
follow his rules, then all that will mean is that he ceases to be the
leader of the American Catholic church, which will choose new
leadership and thumb their noses at the Vatican. The Vatican would
likely go bankrupt not all that long afterwards.
Henry VIII did something similar in England after the Pope tried to
tell him what to do, and we now have the Anglican/Episcopal church.
The Orthodox church split off from Rome after the Pope tried to tell
them what to do. I believe that both of those denominations still
consider themselves the "catholic church" of the Nicene Creed. The
Pope has no power to change that.
lojbab
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
12 May 2007 08:58:00 AM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:0n9943988rf7qtur4qfdnvsj0nvsmbr049@4ax.com...
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1vte2$csm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Many go so far as to vote with their diaphragms, condoms,
and pills:
[The Catholic Bishops of America] acknowledged that most
married Catholics -- 96 percent, according to their
own estimate -- use birth control.
(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/11/15/bishops_stress_sexual_issues_and_warn_on_communion/)
And this is what the Pope wants to change. Being a Catholic means having
ALL of the Catholic beliefs and faiths, following ALL of the Catholic
rules.
Or, go have some other religion.
Simple.
The Pope can want whatever the hell he chooses.
Yep.
But if he
excommunicated 96% of Catholics in this country because they won't
follow his rules, then all that will mean is that he ceases to be the
leader of the American Catholic church, which will choose new
leadership and thumb their noses at the Vatican.
Yep.
The Vatican would likely go bankrupt not all that long afterwards.
No, not even close. In the future try to feed your brain before openning
your mouth.
Catholics by country:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_cat-religion-catholics
#1 Brazil: 147,386,000
#2 Philippines: 73,605,000
#3 United States: 63,188,000
#4 Italy: 57,689,000
#5 France: 45,345,000
#6 Spain: 39,002,000
#7 Colombia: 38,626,000
#8 Poland: 34,573,000
#9 Argentina: 33,389,000
#10 Peru: 27,372,000
#11 Germany: 26,694,000
#12 Venezuela: 24,717,000
#13 Nigeria: 16,853,000
#14 India: 16,758,000
#15 Canada: 13,016,000
#16 Ecuador: 12,183,000
#17 Chile: 11,606,000
#18 Uganda: 10,397,000
#19 Tanzania: 10,313,000
#20 Guatemala: 9,551,000
#21 Angola: 9,519,000
#22 Portugal: 9,343,000
#23 Belgium: 7,845,000
#24 Dominican Republic: 7,667,000
#25 Bolivia: 7,353,000
#26 Kenya: 7,141,000
#27 Indonesia: 6,359,000
#28 Hungary: 6,264,000
#29 Cuba: 6,205,000
#30 Austria: 5,837,000
#31 Paraguay: 5,346,000
#32 Honduras: 5,334,000
#33 Australia: 5,153,000
#34 Ukraine: 5,141,000
#35 Nicaragua: 5,019,000
#36 Netherlands: 4,984,000
#37 El Salvador: 4,971,000
#38 United Kingdom: 4,669,000
#39 Madagascar: 4,432,000
#40 Costa Rica: 4,253,000
#41 Cameroon: 4,235,000
#42 Korea, South: 4,204,000
#43 Mozambique: 4,187,000
#44 Burundi: 4,084,000
#45 Ireland: 4,063,000
#46 Czech Republic: 4,002,000
#47 Rwanda: 3,865,000
#48 Croatia: 3,837,000
#49 Sudan: 3,833,000
#50 Switzerland: 3,140,000
#51 South Africa: 3,081,000
#52 Zambia: 3,037,000
#53 China: 2,967,000
#54 Lithuania: 2,879,000
#55 Malawi: 2,802,000
#56 Puerto Rico: 2,744,000
#57 Slovakia: 2,731,000
#58 Ghana: 2,348,000
#59 Uruguay: 2,310,000
#60 Romania: 2,001,000
#61 Panama: 1,790,000
#62 Slovenia: 1,642,000
#63 Papua New Guinea: 1,620,000
#64 Benin: 1,561,000
#65 Congo, Democratic Republic of the: 1,555,000
#66 Burkina Faso: 1,445,000
#67 Sri Lanka: 1,348,000
#68 Yemen: 1,300,000
#69 Togo: 1,297,000
#70 Pakistan: 1,251,000
#71 Zimbabwe: 1,110,000
#72 Belarus: 1,037,000
#73 Lesotho: 904,000
#74 Gabon: 873,000
#75 Central African Republic: 807,000
#76 Russia: 786,000
#77 East Timor: 767,000
#78 Malaysia: 766,000
#79 Chad: 602,000
#80 Burma: 599,000
#81 Reunion: 595,000
#82 Senegal: 524,000
#83 Japan: 505,000
#84 Albania: 493,000
#85 New Zealand: 470,000
#86 Ethiopia: 462,000
#87 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 457,000
#88 Cape Verde: 452,000
#89 Iraq: 427,000
#90 Latvia: 414,000
#91 Equatorial Guinea: 387,000
#92 Luxembourg: 380,000
#93 Malta: 366,000
#94 Syria: 365,000
#95 Namibia: 358,000
#96 Taiwan: 305,000
#97 Mauritius: 277,000
#98 Thailand: 273,000
#99 Bangladesh: 263,000
#100 Mali: 214,000
#101 Guinea: 177,000
#102 Singapore: 155,000
#103 Kuwait: 154,000
#104 Liberia: 149,000
#105 Sierra Leone: 148,000
#106 Sweden: 144,000
#107 Guinea-Bissau: 141,000
#108 Eritrea: 136,000
#109 Solomon Islands: 87,000
#110 Bulgaria: 80,000
#111 Botswana: 78,000
#112 Libya: 75,000
#113 Seychelles: 69,000
#114 Swaziland: 53,000
#115 Norway: 52,000
#116 Greece: 51,000
#117 Kazakhstan: 37,000
#118 Laos: 35,000
#119 Denmark: 35,000
#120 Gambia, The: 33,000
#121 Monaco: 29,000
#122 Liechtenstein: 25,000
#123 Gibraltar: 23,000
#124 Morocco: 23,000
#125 Tunisia: 22,000
#126 Moldova: 20,000
#127 Cambodia: 19,000
#128 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 15,000
#129 Niger: 11,000
#130 Cyprus: 10,000
#131 Djibouti: 7,000
#132 Finland: 7,000
#133 Nepal: 6,000
#134 Saint Pierre and Miquelon: 6,000
#135 Estonia: 5,000
#136 Iceland: 5,000
#137 Mauritania: 4,000
#138 Uzbekistan: 3,000
#139 Algeria: 3,000
#140 Comoros: 2,000
Total: 934,629,000
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
12 May 2007 12:50:21 PM |
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
Catholics by country:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_cat-religion-catholics
Not important. Bankruptcy has to do with money. Where's the dough,
and where does it come from? Large church membership in impoverished
countries is largely meaningless to finances.
And Brazil, the most populous Catholic country has even lower church
attendance than the US does (the US has the 11th highest church
attendance percentage in the world)
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=7818
2001 - the last year public reported (which makes one wonder about
what has gone wrong since)
Overall net gain of around 20 billion lire ($8 million). But that
depended on a 30 billion lire gain in real estate and a 125 billion
lire gain in investments, which apparently derived largely from the
appreciation of the dollar and the strong securities market (which of
course was starting to collapse by the end of that year).
So where is Rome financially without American real estate values and
without all those American dollars coming into its coffers? Not
nearly as well off.
lojbab
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
12 May 2007 02:59:13 PM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:cstb43l4rvg7euid4pri2g83k1rb9oa5ke@4ax.com...
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
Catholics by country:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_cat-religion-catholics
Not important. Bankruptcy has to do with money. Where's the dough,
and where does it come from? Large church membership in impoverished
countries is largely meaningless to finances.
And Brazil, the most populous Catholic country has even lower church
attendance than the US does (the US has the 11th highest church
attendance percentage in the world)
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=7818
2001 - the last year public reported (which makes one wonder about
what has gone wrong since)
Overall net gain of around 20 billion lire ($8 million). But that
depended on a 30 billion lire gain in real estate and a 125 billion
lire gain in investments, which apparently derived largely from the
appreciation of the dollar and the strong securities market (which of
course was starting to collapse by the end of that year).
So where is Rome financially without American real estate values and
without all those American dollars coming into its coffers? Not
nearly as well off.
American Catholics making donations was insignificant compared to their real
estate, which they would keep or sell for enormous profit, and their
investments, which they would also keep.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
12 May 2007 06:26:07 PM |
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
American Catholics making donations was insignificant compared to their real
estate,which they would keep or sell for enormous profit,
Would they? I don't know whether the church in Rome or the local
archdiocese owns the real estate. I suspect the latter is the general
rule since many countries have laws restricting foreign ownership of
property.
and their investments, which they would also keep.
Again, there is the question of whose name those investments are in.
If a large chunk of the church split off, they probably would take a
chunk of the property with them. (That is certainly what happened
when Protestantism took hold.)
lojbab
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
13 May 2007 10:04:18 AM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
American Catholics making donations was insignificant compared to their
real
estate,which they would keep or sell for enormous profit,
Would they? I don't know whether the church in Rome or the local
archdiocese owns the real estate. I suspect the latter is the general
rule since many countries have laws restricting foreign ownership of
property.
Don't the have local archdioceses have financial arrangements with the
Vatican?
and their investments, which they would also keep.
Again, there is the question of whose name those investments are in.
If a large chunk of the church split off, they probably would take a
chunk of the property with them. (That is certainly what happened
when Protestantism took hold.)
Not being a Catholic its not my business. My opinion is that a weak Church
of 60+ million is worse than a strong Church of (say) 15 million.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
13 May 2007 12:55:02 PM |
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:j2jc43pj9tsk7ftuulg70u9ka8vj73genp@4ax.com...
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
American Catholics making donations was insignificant compared to their
real
estate,which they would keep or sell for enormous profit,
Would they? I don't know whether the church in Rome or the local
archdiocese owns the real estate. I suspect the latter is the general
rule since many countries have laws restricting foreign ownership of
property.
Don't the have local archdioceses have financial arrangements with the
Vatican?
I'm sure they do. But if the local archdioceses were excommunicated,
those arrangements would have to be broken, and it would likely be to
the Vatican's disadvantage.
and their investments, which they would also keep.
Again, there is the question of whose name those investments are in.
If a large chunk of the church split off, they probably would take a
chunk of the property with them. (That is certainly what happened
when Protestantism took hold.)
Not being a Catholic its not my business. My opinion is that a weak Church
of 60+ million is worse than a strong Church of (say) 15 million.
But of course your definition of strength is the problem. You think
that a church isn't strong unless it is Hitlerian in its control.
They probably consider the church strong to the extent that it has
influence over people's lives and their relationship with God. For
them, a weak influence over many is more important than having a core
of Borg that think as one.
It is at least as important for Catholics (and their strength) to
assert a "universal church" as a "rigid" church (which seems to be
what you consider "strong"). That is, of course what the word
"catholic" means. In Catholic doctrine, all the world's Protestants
are merely straying members of the One Universal (Catholic) church.
lojbab
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
14 May 2007 08:52:04 AM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:kkje431gesjph3scefv7bqfd0umtoel58n@4ax.com...
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:j2jc43pj9tsk7ftuulg70u9ka8vj73genp@4ax.com...
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
American Catholics making donations was insignificant compared to their
real
estate,which they would keep or sell for enormous profit,
Would they? I don't know whether the church in Rome or the local
archdiocese owns the real estate. I suspect the latter is the general
rule since many countries have laws restricting foreign ownership of
property.
Don't the have local archdioceses have financial arrangements with the
Vatican?
I'm sure they do. But if the local archdioceses were excommunicated,
those arrangements would have to be broken, and it would likely be to
the Vatican's disadvantage.
Sure. I think it would be certain individuals and not an entire diocese.
But who knows. They all survived the homo and pedo debacles....
and their investments, which they would also keep.
Again, there is the question of whose name those investments are in.
If a large chunk of the church split off, they probably would take a
chunk of the property with them. (That is certainly what happened
when Protestantism took hold.)
Not being a Catholic its not my business. My opinion is that a weak
Church
of 60+ million is worse than a strong Church of (say) 15 million.
But of course your definition of strength is the problem. You think
that a church isn't strong unless it is Hitlerian in its control.
Yes.
They probably consider the church strong to the extent that it has
influence over people's lives and their relationship with God.
But as you've pointed out they don't.
For
them, a weak influence over many is more important than having a core
of Borg that think as one.
Its their business.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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14 May 2007 10:14:57 AM |
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
They probably consider the church strong to the extent that it has
influence over people's lives and their relationship with God.
But as you've pointed out they don't.
But it does - enormous issues. Just not so much on controversial
issues that cause people to start to think for themselves simply
BECAUSE they are controversial.
lojbab
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
13 May 2007 06:30:29 AM |
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On May 12, 2007, Patriot Games wrote
(in article <IJj1i.6402$cu1.5772@trnddc01>):
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:0n9943988rf7qtur4qfdnvsj0nvsmbr049@4ax.com...
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1vte2$csm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Many go so far as to vote with their diaphragms, condoms,
and pills:
[The Catholic Bishops of America] acknowledged that most
married Catholics -- 96 percent, according to their
own estimate -- use birth control.
(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/11/15/bishops_stress_
sexual_i
ssues_and_warn_on_communion/)
And this is what the Pope wants to change. Being a Catholic means having
ALL of the Catholic beliefs and faiths, following ALL of the Catholic
rules.
Or, go have some other religion.
Simple.
The Pope can want whatever the hell he chooses.
Yep.
But if he
excommunicated 96% of Catholics in this country because they won't
follow his rules, then all that will mean is that he ceases to be the
leader of the American Catholic church, which will choose new
leadership and thumb their noses at the Vatican.
Yep.
The Vatican would likely go bankrupt not all that long afterwards.
No, not even close. In the future try to feed your brain before openning
your mouth.
Catholics by country:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_cat-religion-catholics
#1 Brazil: 147,386,000
#2 Philippines: 73,605,000
#3 United States: 63,188,000
#4 Italy: 57,689,000
#5 France: 45,345,000
#6 Spain: 39,002,000
#7 Colombia: 38,626,000
#8 Poland: 34,573,000
#9 Argentina: 33,389,000
#10 Peru: 27,372,000
#11 Germany: 26,694,000
#12 Venezuela: 24,717,000
#13 Nigeria: 16,853,000
#14 India: 16,758,000
#15 Canada: 13,016,000
#16 Ecuador: 12,183,000
#17 Chile: 11,606,000
#18 Uganda: 10,397,000
#19 Tanzania: 10,313,000
#20 Guatemala: 9,551,000
#21 Angola: 9,519,000
#22 Portugal: 9,343,000
#23 Belgium: 7,845,000
#24 Dominican Republic: 7,667,000
#25 Bolivia: 7,353,000
#26 Kenya: 7,141,000
#27 Indonesia: 6,359,000
#28 Hungary: 6,264,000
#29 Cuba: 6,205,000
#30 Austria: 5,837,000
#31 Paraguay: 5,346,000
#32 Honduras: 5,334,000
#33 Australia: 5,153,000
#34 Ukraine: 5,141,000
#35 Nicaragua: 5,019,000
#36 Netherlands: 4,984,000
#37 El Salvador: 4,971,000
#38 United Kingdom: 4,669,000
#39 Madagascar: 4,432,000
#40 Costa Rica: 4,253,000
#41 Cameroon: 4,235,000
#42 Korea, South: 4,204,000
#43 Mozambique: 4,187,000
#44 Burundi: 4,084,000
#45 Ireland: 4,063,000
#46 Czech Republic: 4,002,000
#47 Rwanda: 3,865,000
#48 Croatia: 3,837,000
#49 Sudan: 3,833,000
#50 Switzerland: 3,140,000
#51 South Africa: 3,081,000
#52 Zambia: 3,037,000
#53 China: 2,967,000
#54 Lithuania: 2,879,000
#55 Malawi: 2,802,000
#56 Puerto Rico: 2,744,000
#57 Slovakia: 2,731,000
#58 Ghana: 2,348,000
#59 Uruguay: 2,310,000
#60 Romania: 2,001,000
#61 Panama: 1,790,000
#62 Slovenia: 1,642,000
#63 Papua New Guinea: 1,620,000
#64 Benin: 1,561,000
#65 Congo, Democratic Republic of the: 1,555,000
#66 Burkina Faso: 1,445,000
#67 Sri Lanka: 1,348,000
#68 Yemen: 1,300,000
#69 Togo: 1,297,000
#70 Pakistan: 1,251,000
#71 Zimbabwe: 1,110,000
#72 Belarus: 1,037,000
#73 Lesotho: 904,000
#74 Gabon: 873,000
#75 Central African Republic: 807,000
#76 Russia: 786,000
#77 East Timor: 767,000
#78 Malaysia: 766,000
#79 Chad: 602,000
#80 Burma: 599,000
#81 Reunion: 595,000
#82 Senegal: 524,000
#83 Japan: 505,000
#84 Albania: 493,000
#85 New Zealand: 470,000
#86 Ethiopia: 462,000
#87 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 457,000
#88 Cape Verde: 452,000
#89 Iraq: 427,000
#90 Latvia: 414,000
#91 Equatorial Guinea: 387,000
#92 Luxembourg: 380,000
#93 Malta: 366,000
#94 Syria: 365,000
#95 Namibia: 358,000
#96 Taiwan: 305,000
#97 Mauritius: 277,000
#98 Thailand: 273,000
#99 Bangladesh: 263,000
#100 Mali: 214,000
#101 Guinea: 177,000
#102 Singapore: 155,000
#103 Kuwait: 154,000
#104 Liberia: 149,000
#105 Sierra Leone: 148,000
#106 Sweden: 144,000
#107 Guinea-Bissau: 141,000
#108 Eritrea: 136,000
#109 Solomon Islands: 87,000
#110 Bulgaria: 80,000
#111 Botswana: 78,000
#112 Libya: 75,000
#113 Seychelles: 69,000
#114 Swaziland: 53,000
#115 Norway: 52,000
#116 Greece: 51,000
#117 Kazakhstan: 37,000
#118 Laos: 35,000
#119 Denmark: 35,000
#120 Gambia, The: 33,000
#121 Monaco: 29,000
#122 Liechtenstein: 25,000
#123 Gibraltar: 23,000
#124 Morocco: 23,000
#125 Tunisia: 22,000
#126 Moldova: 20,000
#127 Cambodia: 19,000
#128 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 15,000
#129 Niger: 11,000
#130 Cyprus: 10,000
#131 Djibouti: 7,000
#132 Finland: 7,000
#133 Nepal: 6,000
#134 Saint Pierre and Miquelon: 6,000
#135 Estonia: 5,000
#136 Iceland: 5,000
#137 Mauritania: 4,000
#138 Uzbekistan: 3,000
#139 Algeria: 3,000
#140 Comoros: 2,000
Total: 934,629,000
Thank you for a very interesting list.
Do you have similar for "full time" clergy from each country and
lucre collected in each country?
It's been so many decades since I took all those "Philosophy of
Religion" classes that - at that time - Judaism was the only major
monotheistic religion in the United States.
Gray Shockley
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
13 May 2007 10:06:59 AM |
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"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C26C610500136269F0182648@news.giganews.com...
On May 12, 2007, Patriot Games wrote
(in article <IJj1i.6402$cu1.5772@trnddc01>):
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:0n9943988rf7qtur4qfdnvsj0nvsmbr049@4ax.com...
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1vte2$csm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Many go so far as to vote with their diaphragms, condoms,
and pills:
[The Catholic Bishops of America] acknowledged that most
married Catholics -- 96 percent, according to their
own estimate -- use birth control.
(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/11/15/bishops_stress_
sexual_i
ssues_and_warn_on_communion/)
And this is what the Pope wants to change. Being a Catholic means
having
ALL of the Catholic beliefs and faiths, following ALL of the Catholic
rules.
Or, go have some other religion.
Simple.
The Pope can want whatever the hell he chooses.
Yep.
But if he
excommunicated 96% of Catholics in this country because they won't
follow his rules, then all that will mean is that he ceases to be the
leader of the American Catholic church, which will choose new
leadership and thumb their noses at the Vatican.
Yep.
The Vatican would likely go bankrupt not all that long afterwards.
No, not even close. In the future try to feed your brain before openning
your mouth.
Catholics by country:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_cat-religion-catholics
#1 Brazil: 147,386,000
#2 Philippines: 73,605,000
#3 United States: 63,188,000
#4 Italy: 57,689,000
#5 France: 45,345,000
#6 Spain: 39,002,000
#7 Colombia: 38,626,000
#8 Poland: 34,573,000
#9 Argentina: 33,389,000
#10 Peru: 27,372,000
#11 Germany: 26,694,000
#12 Venezuela: 24,717,000
#13 Nigeria: 16,853,000
#14 India: 16,758,000
#15 Canada: 13,016,000
#16 Ecuador: 12,183,000
#17 Chile: 11,606,000
#18 Uganda: 10,397,000
#19 Tanzania: 10,313,000
#20 Guatemala: 9,551,000
#21 Angola: 9,519,000
#22 Portugal: 9,343,000
#23 Belgium: 7,845,000
#24 Dominican Republic: 7,667,000
#25 Bolivia: 7,353,000
#26 Kenya: 7,141,000
#27 Indonesia: 6,359,000
#28 Hungary: 6,264,000
#29 Cuba: 6,205,000
#30 Austria: 5,837,000
#31 Paraguay: 5,346,000
#32 Honduras: 5,334,000
#33 Australia: 5,153,000
#34 Ukraine: 5,141,000
#35 Nicaragua: 5,019,000
#36 Netherlands: 4,984,000
#37 El Salvador: 4,971,000
#38 United Kingdom: 4,669,000
#39 Madagascar: 4,432,000
#40 Costa Rica: 4,253,000
#41 Cameroon: 4,235,000
#42 Korea, South: 4,204,000
#43 Mozambique: 4,187,000
#44 Burundi: 4,084,000
#45 Ireland: 4,063,000
#46 Czech Republic: 4,002,000
#47 Rwanda: 3,865,000
#48 Croatia: 3,837,000
#49 Sudan: 3,833,000
#50 Switzerland: 3,140,000
#51 South Africa: 3,081,000
#52 Zambia: 3,037,000
#53 China: 2,967,000
#54 Lithuania: 2,879,000
#55 Malawi: 2,802,000
#56 Puerto Rico: 2,744,000
#57 Slovakia: 2,731,000
#58 Ghana: 2,348,000
#59 Uruguay: 2,310,000
#60 Romania: 2,001,000
#61 Panama: 1,790,000
#62 Slovenia: 1,642,000
#63 Papua New Guinea: 1,620,000
#64 Benin: 1,561,000
#65 Congo, Democratic Republic of the: 1,555,000
#66 Burkina Faso: 1,445,000
#67 Sri Lanka: 1,348,000
#68 Yemen: 1,300,000
#69 Togo: 1,297,000
#70 Pakistan: 1,251,000
#71 Zimbabwe: 1,110,000
#72 Belarus: 1,037,000
#73 Lesotho: 904,000
#74 Gabon: 873,000
#75 Central African Republic: 807,000
#76 Russia: 786,000
#77 East Timor: 767,000
#78 Malaysia: 766,000
#79 Chad: 602,000
#80 Burma: 599,000
#81 Reunion: 595,000
#82 Senegal: 524,000
#83 Japan: 505,000
#84 Albania: 493,000
#85 New Zealand: 470,000
#86 Ethiopia: 462,000
#87 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 457,000
#88 Cape Verde: 452,000
#89 Iraq: 427,000
#90 Latvia: 414,000
#91 Equatorial Guinea: 387,000
#92 Luxembourg: 380,000
#93 Malta: 366,000
#94 Syria: 365,000
#95 Namibia: 358,000
#96 Taiwan: 305,000
#97 Mauritius: 277,000
#98 Thailand: 273,000
#99 Bangladesh: 263,000
#100 Mali: 214,000
#101 Guinea: 177,000
#102 Singapore: 155,000
#103 Kuwait: 154,000
#104 Liberia: 149,000
#105 Sierra Leone: 148,000
#106 Sweden: 144,000
#107 Guinea-Bissau: 141,000
#108 Eritrea: 136,000
#109 Solomon Islands: 87,000
#110 Bulgaria: 80,000
#111 Botswana: 78,000
#112 Libya: 75,000
#113 Seychelles: 69,000
#114 Swaziland: 53,000
#115 Norway: 52,000
#116 Greece: 51,000
#117 Kazakhstan: 37,000
#118 Laos: 35,000
#119 Denmark: 35,000
#120 Gambia, The: 33,000
#121 Monaco: 29,000
#122 Liechtenstein: 25,000
#123 Gibraltar: 23,000
#124 Morocco: 23,000
#125 Tunisia: 22,000
#126 Moldova: 20,000
#127 Cambodia: 19,000
#128 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 15,000
#129 Niger: 11,000
#130 Cyprus: 10,000
#131 Djibouti: 7,000
#132 Finland: 7,000
#133 Nepal: 6,000
#134 Saint Pierre and Miquelon: 6,000
#135 Estonia: 5,000
#136 Iceland: 5,000
#137 Mauritania: 4,000
#138 Uzbekistan: 3,000
#139 Algeria: 3,000
#140 Comoros: 2,000
Total: 934,629,000
Thank you for a very interesting list.
Do you have similar for "full time" clergy from each country and
lucre collected in each country?
You can find more info at the site mentioned but I don't recall seeing
financial information.
It's been so many decades since I took all those "Philosophy of
Religion" classes that - at that time - Judaism was the only major
monotheistic religion in the United States.
Judaism has NEVER been a major religion in the US.
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> writes:
"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
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{...}
It's been so many decades since I took all those "Philosophy of
Religion" classes that - at that time - Judaism was the only major
monotheistic religion in the United States.
Judaism has NEVER been a major religion in the US.
Not what he said: Gray said it was the largetst monotheistic
religion.
And in that he was correct.
-- cary
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14 May 2007 12:42:18 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> writes:
"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C26C610500136269F0182648@news.giganews.com...
{...}
It's been so many decades since I took all those "Philosophy of
Religion" classes that - at that time - Judaism was the only major
monotheistic religion in the United States.
Judaism has NEVER been a major religion in the US.
Not what he said: Gray said it was the largetst monotheistic
religion.
And in that he was correct.
I get it, you're playing word games. You think Christianity isn't
monotheistic...
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14 May 2007 03:16:32 PM |
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
I get it, you're playing word games. You think Christianity isn't
monotheistic...
It isn't. Christianity has a Triune Godhead. That is why Jews and
Moslems do not generally accept the Christian concept of their God as
being compatible with their own.
lojbab
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14 May 2007 01:06:50 PM |
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> writes:
"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C26C610500136269F0182648@news.giganews.com...
{...}
It's been so many decades since I took all those "Philosophy of
Religion" classes that - at that time - Judaism was the only major
monotheistic religion in the United States.
Judaism has NEVER been a major religion in the US.
Not what he said: Gray said it was the largetst monotheistic
religion.
And in that he was correct.
I get it, you're playing word games. You think Christianity isn't
monotheistic...
Having a Triune god, just like Trimurti or Brighid or Hecate or
Trigav, and a rival god who has been put in charge of the
affairs of this world -- not to mention specifically
Catholic additions such as Mary -- I think you'd have
to be raised within the culture NOT to view Christianity
as a polytheistic religion.
-- cary
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14 May 2007 02:56:21 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f2a4e6$lc5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> writes:
"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C26C610500136269F0182648@news.giganews.com...
{...}
It's been so many decades since I took all those "Philosophy of
Religion" classes that - at that time - Judaism was the only major
monotheistic religion in the United States.
Judaism has NEVER been a major religion in the US.
Not what he said: Gray said it was the largetst monotheistic
religion.
And in that he was correct.
I get it, you're playing word games. You think Christianity isn't
monotheistic...
Having a Triune god, just like Trimurti or Brighid or Hecate or
Trigav, and a rival god who has been put in charge of the
affairs of this world -- not to mention specifically
Catholic additions such as Mary -- I think you'd have
to be raised within the culture NOT to view Christianity
as a polytheistic religion.
Hahahahahahahha!!!!
Oh, and you were sooooo clever.....
HAHAHAH!
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13 May 2007 08:47:15 AM |
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Gray Shockley <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have similar for "full time" clergy from each country and
lucre collected in each country?
I went looking, myself, and did not find much. But there were some
indications.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20061122/23630.htm
(http://www.efc.be/ftp/public/cpi/Newsletter_Jan07/InternationalGivinghighlights.pdf
has the original report)
The US gives 1.67% of GDP to charity. The UK gives .73%, France
(which is mostly Catholic) gives only .14%. The article said that
religious giving constituted 60% of the difference between the US and
other countries (another source gave 62% as the total percentage of US
contributions that are religious). That would amount to around $135
billion in religious giving. France, even if all of its giving was
religious, gave only $3 billion. But elsewhere
http://www.lse.ac.uk/Depts/global/Publications/Yearbooks/2001/2001chapter8.pdf
I found that only 22% of its giving was religious. Italy reported
only .10% of GNP but that did not include religious giving so we can't
directly compare. But it is a small country, so even if its religious
contribution rate is as high as that in the US, it would amount to
only $18 billion (and Brazil, Mexico, and the Philippines would amount
to $10 billion, $8 billion, and $1 billion at the US giving rate.
Elsewhere (did not note URL) I found Canada, the third most generous
country in the world after the US and UK, gave $2.4 billion to
religious groups (probably Canadian dollars).
Not in terms of money, but people, but being in the priesthood is
itself a substantial fiscal contribution -
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-religion/1830145/posts
Brazil, by far the largest population of Catholics has the lowest
priest-to-laity ratio among all Catholic countries - only 18,685
priests serving the whole country or 1 to 7500 lay people. Mexico is
only slightly better. The US has 42,271 priests or about 1 for every
1500 lay Catholics:
http://www.usccb.org/comm/statisti.shtml
Italy has 1 priest per 1000 Catholics, which would be around 60,000
priests. So probably it is the only country with more Catholic
priests than the US has.
So in both monetary and warm-body contributions, the US is the 800
pound gorilla of religious donation.
lojbab
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11 May 2007 12:47:27 PM |
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On May 11, 12:33 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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Many go so far as to vote with their diaphragms, condoms,
and pills:
[The Catholic Bishops of America] acknowledged that most
married Catholics -- 96 percent, according to their
own estimate -- use birth control.
(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/11/15/bishops_stress_...)
And this is what the Pope wants to change. Being a Catholic means having
ALL of the Catholic beliefs and faiths, following ALL of the Catholic rules.
Or, go have some other religion.
Simple.
The Pope can want whatever the hell he chooses. But if he
excommunicated 96% of Catholics in this country because they won't
follow his rules, then all that will mean is that he ceases to be the
leader of the American Catholic church, which will choose new
leadership and thumb their noses at the Vatican. The Vatican would
likely go bankrupt not all that long afterwards.
Henry VIII did something similar in England after the Pope tried to
tell him what to do, and we now have the Anglican/Episcopal church.
The Orthodox church split off from Rome after the Pope tried to tell
them what to do. I believe that both of those denominations still
consider themselves the "catholic church" of the Nicene Creed. The
Pope has no power to change that.
lojbab- Hide quoted text -
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Nobody gives a damn what the Nazi Pope thinks about this, or any other
question.
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12 May 2007 08:59:22 AM |
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"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 11, 12:33 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1vte2$csm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Many go so far as to vote with their diaphragms, condoms,
and pills:
[The Catholic Bishops of America] acknowledged that most
married Catholics -- 96 percent, according to their
own estimate -- use birth control.
(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/11/15/bishops_stress_...)
And this is what the Pope wants to change. Being a Catholic means
having
ALL of the Catholic beliefs and faiths, following ALL of the Catholic
rules.
Or, go have some other religion.
Simple.
The Pope can want whatever the hell he chooses. But if he
excommunicated 96% of Catholics in this country because they won't
follow his rules, then all that will mean is that he ceases to be the
leader of the American Catholic church, which will choose new
leadership and thumb their noses at the Vatican. The Vatican would
likely go bankrupt not all that long afterwards.
Henry VIII did something similar in England after the Pope tried to
tell him what to do, and we now have the Anglican/Episcopal church.
The Orthodox church split off from Rome after the Pope tried to tell
them what to do. I believe that both of those denominations still
consider themselves the "catholic church" of the Nicene Creed. The
Pope has no power to change that.
Nobody gives a damn what the Nazi Pope thinks about this, or any other
question.
If you're not a Catholic it isn't any of your business.
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12 May 2007 12:20:59 PM |
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
Nobody gives a damn what the Nazi Pope thinks about this, or any other
question.
If you're not a Catholic it isn't any of your business.
Then why are you posting on this topic, having admitted in another
post that you are not a Catholic?
lojbab
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12 May 2007 01:23:18 PM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
Nobody gives a damn what the Nazi Pope thinks about this, or any other
question.
If you're not a Catholic it isn't any of your business.
Then why are you posting on this topic, having admitted in another
post that you are not a Catholic?
Originally to point out that f you're not a Catholic it isn't any of your
business.
But politics is everpresent. Most of the 63 million Catholics in America
are Democrat yet the Pope's position on Abortion is Republican.
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10 May 2007 09:07:59 PM |
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in article EfK0i.2209$py5.661@trnddc06, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com wrote on 5/10/07 3:20 PM:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <_oF0i.8607$Q96.676@trnddc04> "Patriot Games"
<Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> writes:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You don't speak for anyone.
Wake up, dummy. The Pope speaks for ALL Catholics. No exceptions.
Period.
Or not:
According to a recent Gallup Poll, 78 percent of American
Catholics support allowing Catholics to use birth control,
63 percent think priests should be able to marry, and
55 percent think women should be ordained as priests.
Last week Gallup reported that more Catholics than
non-Catholics believe that homosexual behavior, divorce,
and stem-cell and human-embryo research are morally acceptable.
That's between them and their Church.
It doesn't change the fact that the Pope speaks for ALL Catholics.
It doesn't make up for God NEVER speaking to them...
Paul
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10 May 2007 10:58:21 AM |
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Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You don't speak for anyone.
Wake up, dummy. The Pope speaks for ALL Catholics.
No corrupt pope thinks that he gets to speak for all of humanity.
The Pope speaks for NO ONE else.
Is that why he tries to force EVERYBODY to live by his rules?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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10 May 2007 02:19:09 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4642b252$0$19403$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
You don't speak for anyone.
Wake up, dummy. The Pope speaks for ALL Catholics.
No corrupt pope thinks that he gets to speak for all of humanity.
No, the Pope has never said that. But feel free to prove otherwise.
The Pope speaks for NO ONE else.
Is that why he tries to force EVERYBODY to live by his rules?
The Pope has never done that. But feel free to prove otherwise.
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10 May 2007 09:24:12 PM |
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Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4642b252$0$19403$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
You don't speak for anyone.
Wake up, dummy. The Pope speaks for ALL Catholics.
No corrupt pope thinks that he gets to speak for all of humanity.
No, the Pope has never said that.
The fundamental principle of the papcy is that the pope knows best
what God wants for all of humanity.
The Pope speaks for NO ONE else.
Is that why he tries to force EVERYBODY to live by his rules?
The Pope has never done that.
Then why does he demand laws that would force ALL people to live
by the pope's rules?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 May 2007 09:55:47 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4642b252$0$19403$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
You don't speak for anyone.
Wake up, dummy. The Pope speaks for ALL Catholics.
No corrupt pope thinks that he gets to speak for all of humanity.
No, the Pope has never said that.
The fundamental principle of the papcy is that the pope knows best
what God wants for all of humanity.
Everybody who claims to speak for God thinks it applies to all of humanity.
The Pope is no exception. But he mainly restricts himself to his own
religion.
The Pope speaks for NO ONE else.
Is that why he tries to force EVERYBODY to live by his rules?
The Pope has never done that.
Then why does he demand laws that would force ALL people to live
by the pope's rules?
He doesn't. Pay closer attention. The Pope has outline what being a
Catholic involves and is naturally expecting those beliefs and faiths and
rules to be followed by ALL Catholics - beginning with Bishops.
If you're a Catholic politician you're still expected to tow the line. That
includes making sure your constituents know you're a Catholic and will
perform accordingly. If voters don't like that they don't vote for you.
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11 May 2007 12:44:42 PM |
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Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You don't speak for anyone.
Wake up, dummy. The Pope speaks for ALL Catholics.
No corrupt pope thinks that he gets to speak for all of humanity.
No, the Pope has never said that.
The fundamental principle of the papcy is that the pope knows best
what God wants for all of humanity.
Everybody who claims to speak for God thinks it applies to all of humanity.
Hence, the fundamental insanity of the pope.
The Pope is no exception. But he mainly restricts himself to his own
religion.
By trying to force everybody to live according to his rules?
The Pope speaks for NO ONE else.
Is that why he tries to force EVERYBODY to live by his rules?
The Pope has never done that.
Then why does he demand laws that would force ALL people to live
by the pope's rules?
He doesn't.
Don't lie. The pope continually tries to have laws passed that would
force EVERYBODY to live by his rules.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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12 May 2007 08:52:05 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You don't speak for anyone.
Wake up, dummy. The Pope speaks for ALL Catholics.
No corrupt pope thinks that he gets to speak for all of humanity.
No, the Pope has never said that.
The fundamental principle of the papcy is that the pope knows best
what God wants for all of humanity.
Everybody who claims to speak for God thinks it applies to all of
humanity.
Hence, the fundamental insanity of the pope.
Your opinion.
The Pope is no exception. But he mainly restricts himself to his own
religion.
By trying to force everybody to live according to his rules?
He doesn't do that.
The Pope speaks for NO ONE else.
Is that why he tries to force EVERYBODY to live by his rules?
The Pope has never done that.
Then why does he demand laws that would force ALL people to live
by the pope's rules?
He doesn't.
Don't lie. The pope continually tries to have laws passed that would
force EVERYBODY to live by his rules.
And you don't?
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12 May 2007 01:19:15 PM |
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Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4644ab8a$0$14068$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You don't speak for anyone.
Wake up, dummy. The Pope speaks for ALL Catholics.
No corrupt pope thinks that he gets to speak for all of humanity.
No, the Pope has never said that.
The fundamental principle of the papcy is that the pope knows best
what God wants for all of humanity.
Everybody who claims to speak for God thinks it applies to all of
humanity.
Hence, the fundamental insanity of the pope.
Your opinion.
The Pope is no exception. But he mainly restricts himself to his own
religion.
By trying to force everybody to live according to his rules?
He doesn't do that.
Tell the truth. The pope works to have nations pass laws that will
force ALL people to do as the pope thinks best.
The Pope speaks for NO ONE else.
Is that why he tries to force EVERYBODY to live by his rules?
The Pope has never done that.
Then why does he demand laws that would force ALL people to live
by the pope's rules?
He doesn't.
Don't lie. The pope continually tries to have laws passed that would
force EVERYBODY to live by his rules.
And you don't?
Is that an admission of ... "error"?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope |
12 May 2007 02:52:30 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:46460523$0$14093$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4644ab8a$0$14068$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Patriot Games <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You don't speak for anyone.
Wake up, dummy. The Pope speaks for ALL Catholics.
No corrupt pope thinks that he gets to speak for all of humanity.
No, the Pope has never said that.
The fundamental principle of the papcy is that the pope knows best
what God wants for all of humanity.
Everybody who claims to speak for God thinks it applies to all of
humanity.
Hence, the fundamental insanity of the pope.
Your opinion.
The Pope is no exception. But he mainly restricts himself to his own
religion.
By trying to force everybody to live according to his rules?
He doesn't do that.
Tell the truth. The pope works to have nations pass laws that will
force ALL people to do as the pope thinks best.
Sorry, its just not true.
The Pope speaks for NO ONE else.
Is that why he tries to force EVERYBODY to live by his rules?
The Pope has never done that.
Then why does he demand laws that would force ALL people to live
by the pope's rules?
He doesn't.
Don't lie. The pope continually tries to have laws passed that would
force EVERYBODY to live by his rules.
And you don't?
Is that an admission of ... "error"?
Its an observation of fact.
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