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User:	"Wide Eyed in Wonder"
Date:	09 May 2007 09:56:39 AM
Object:	Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope

In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.
So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
.

User: "LC"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	09 May 2007 04:18:30 PM

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178722599.725420.64820@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope

You mean good old Pope Benny, the former Hitler Youth?

for holding to a belief (the killing of infants)

Killing 'infants'?
Are you a liar, or just stupid?:
in·fant /'?nf?nt/ -noun
1. a child during the earliest period of its life, esp. before he or
she can walk; baby.
2. Law. a person who is not of full age, esp. one who has not reached
the age of 18 years; a minor.

that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving communion. It the
Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

Since the vast majority of Cathoholics fall under the rubric of "Cafeteria
Catholics", picking and choosing from the littany of dictates, it's no big
deal.
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	10 May 2007 08:44:12 AM

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178722599.725420.64820@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

Yep.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

Yep, and this Pope is serious....
.

User: "Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	09 May 2007 01:45:09 PM

On 9 May 2007, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

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Right on! The Pope has redeemed himself. God bless Pope Benedict!
Here's the story on-line:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/5/9/122239.shtml?s=ic
This is going to have a *HUGE* impact on the 2008 elections! And
is sure to have tremendous influence over the U.S. Supreme Court!
This is the best news that Conservatives have had in a long time.
You can bet that Liberals everywhere are in an absolute panic at
this story. So let's rub it in their faces. All Sing Hallelujah!
I strongly urge all of my fellow *Non-Atheist* Conservatives to
rub this news into the faces of Anti-Christian Liberal Atheists
across America, and around the world. And talk about it loudly
in all public schools, all universities, all shopping malls!
Let's forward this news and discussions about this news to every
website, blog, newsgroup, web forum, and valid email address, on
the Internet. Implore your Non-Atheist friends to do the same.
Let us pray that all Non-Atheist corporate executives, and major
shareholders in the fortune 500 companies, bankers, politicians,
lawyers, judges, lobbyists, gerrymanderers, major news outlets,
FOXNEWS, CNN, NewsMax, everybody who wields influence over the
political process in America, let's strongly urge them to join
together and *DEMAND* that the Conservative majority on the USSC
do the right thing, and shoot down Roe V Wade--once and for all!
There's plenty more work to do in returning God back into every
classroom and courtroom in the country, but this is *definitely*
a good start. Let's all send the good Pope Benedict our prayers
and thank-you's from the bottom of our hearts. He's a great man.
I am beside myself with happiness right now. I gotta go make some
phone calls. I really look forward to the *ANGRY* reaction among
the Anti-Christian Liberal Atheists! :-D
Praise Jesus!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	09 May 2007 01:56:24 PM

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it>
{...}

Ah, how soon they forget.
Well, actually, no: that's "how soon Danny 'the J' Min forgets".
In contrast, the rest of us remember this little bit of oddly
past-tense prognostication from October 20th, year last:
...now that the God-hating, Family-hating, County-hating
inhuman Liberal Atheist vermin have been roundly defeated
in the mid-term elections ALL thanks and praise be to God,
and to His patriotic American servants who registered and
voted Republican on Tuesday November 7th 2006 anno Domini,
it's time We God-fearing, traditional family values moral-
majority, law-abiding tax-paying Americans finish the job
and finish de-Liberalizing all three main branches of our
beloved United States Federal Government ONCE AND FOR ALL!

Or this bit, posted a week later:
The daily horoscope for Tuesday November 7, 2006 AD is
verily benefic for the Victors--& still reigning G.O.P.
champions of the world,--our glorious Republican party
who rule America and lead the world under God Almighty.

Waning Moon, Hekate, she is ruling 4; glorious Mars is
ruling 8; Emperor Jupiter ruling 9 Dominates eternally;
head of the Dragon 1, Lilith 7, Satan 6, phokoS in the
World; the sapient by letters, M, 12; ouranos for Ares;

Venus splits the fall equally with Mercury, separating
in close orb <1 degree, both near angular-equidistance
between Jupiter & Mars, from conjunction ~11:51 AM EST.

Mars transits between predominant rulership 8 & lesser
rulership 1, Saturn ruling more 10 than 11, and verily
so, before another transit of Mars to 8, about 7:32 PM.
At the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. (near
77W00:32; 38N53:24), waning moon rises on the Scorpian
Ascendant about 6:51 PM EST (lunar phase is about 92%).

Remember, Deus exalts in Cancer, according to Artemis'
Commandment to "Honor thy father and thy mother", etc.
because dignity and honor, keeping thy vows, is honor
and dignity which the Liberal Atheists know nothing of
on their own, so must be REMINDED of from time to time. :-D
^^^^^^^^
-adjudicated by Daniel Joseph Min 27 October 2006 AD

Gotta admire a boy with the courage to spit in
the face of history like that.
-- cary

Praise Jesus!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/

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User: "Paul Duca"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	10 May 2007 08:35:28 PM

in article fbb76b21db4f54086ff3ecfb82686328@remailer.cyberiade.it,
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer at

wrote on
5/9/07 2:45 PM:

On 9 May 2007, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Right on! The Pope has redeemed himself. God bless Pope Benedict!

Here's the story on-line:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/5/9/122239.shtml?s=ic

This is going to have a *HUGE* impact on the 2008 elections! And
is sure to have tremendous influence over the U.S. Supreme Court!
This is the best news that Conservatives have had in a long time.
You can bet that Liberals everywhere are in an absolute panic at
this story. So let's rub it in their faces. All Sing Hallelujah!

I strongly urge all of my fellow *Non-Atheist* Conservatives to
rub this news into the faces of Anti-Christian Liberal Atheists
across America, and around the world. And talk about it loudly
in all public schools, all universities, all shopping malls!

Let's forward this news and discussions about this news to every
website, blog, newsgroup, web forum, and valid email address, on
the Internet. Implore your Non-Atheist friends to do the same.

Let us pray that all Non-Atheist corporate executives, and major
shareholders in the fortune 500 companies, bankers, politicians,
lawyers, judges, lobbyists, gerrymanderers, major news outlets,
FOXNEWS, CNN, NewsMax, everybody who wields influence over the
political process in America, let's strongly urge them to join
together and *DEMAND* that the Conservative majority on the USSC
do the right thing, and shoot down Roe V Wade--once and for all!

There's plenty more work to do in returning God back into every
classroom and courtroom in the country, but this is *definitely*
a good start. Let's all send the good Pope Benedict our prayers
and thank-you's from the bottom of our hearts. He's a great man.

\
\
But even he can't make Ann Coulter open her legs for you, Min...
Paul
And should I add they won't reverse their reversal of Copernicus'
punishment, so you can keep thinking the sun revolves around the earth
(and they don't look too highly in astrology and horoscopes as a substitute
religion, either).
.

User: "Nomen Nescio"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	11 May 2007 01:40:06 AM

On Fri, 11 May 2007, "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote:

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On 9 May 2007, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

Right on! The Pope has redeemed himself. God bless Pope Benedict!
Here's the story on-line:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/5/9/122239.shtml?s=ic

This is going to have a *HUGE* impact on the 2008 elections! And
<snips>

It won't have any affect at all. They'll ignore him.
just as they always do. Sorry to disappoint you,
children. Well, no, not really.

I'm not sure you are right. If a congressman actively follows his or her
Catholic faith, being excommunicated is a huge thing. I'm neither a
Catholic nor a congressman, so it'll have no affect on me.

...

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<....
if a Catholic congressman is excommunicated for supporting abortion issue,
then it should be a matter serious enough, to be dealt with in another
mainstream Christian denominations( among the leader and elders). Perhaps a
change of mind regarding abortion. I believe all mainstream Christian
denominations are pro life.

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I find it interesting that the Abortionists have settled on
"pro-choice" as their moniker. It's like they're saying "We
concede that we are, else we support or we are complicit in,
pro-actively murdering unborn children by our own free-will,
ergo "pro-choice"; and we want our laws ergo Roe V Wade, to
protect us from any & all possible prosecution for doing so.
How convenient,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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User: "Anlatt the Builder"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	09 May 2007 09:02:06 PM

On May 9, 7:56 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

I certainly the Pope, concerned as he is about Catholic dogma, will
also make the following pronouncements:
- Any politician who does not support making artifical contraceptives
illegal will be excommunicated.
- Any politician who does not support making adultery illegal will be
excommunicated.
- Any politician who does not support making premarital sex illegal
will be excommunicated.
- Any politician who does not support making mastrubation illegal
will be excommunicated.
- Any politician who does not support making remarriage after divorce
illegal will be excommunicated.
After all, sin is sin. He should go after all of them, even if it
loses him some political influence with the American right wing, who
are for some reason obsessed with using laws to punish abortion and
prevent gays from gaining equality, while they turn a blind eye
(politically) to other sins.
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	10 May 2007 11:31:06 AM

In article <1178762525.958800.269850@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Anlatt the Builder <tirhuan@aol.com> writes:

On May 9, 7:56 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

Hey, that'd make him a Christian Dominionist! (course, that's
pretty much what the Church was, on and off, for all those
years)
-- cary
.

User: "Jerry Kraus"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	09 May 2007 12:00:41 PM

On May 9, 9:56 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

So why haven't they, bright boy? Maybe, because they don't take an ex-
Nazi Pope too seriously? Anymore than they would take a right-wing
fundamentalist Christian Protestant?
.

User: "Peter Principle"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	09 May 2007 06:04:07 PM

Wide Eyed in Ignorance wrote:

In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

FYI, you half-witted ignorant boob, the most prominent Catholic in national
politics is RUDY GIULIANI, who, FYI, you half witted ignorant boob, happens
to be a REPUBLICAN.
IOW, half wit, it is pro choice supporter RUDY the REPUBLIDOLT that is most
at risk of excommunication, and not, you incredible imbecile, ANY prominent
national Democrat.
FYI, half wit, not ONE of the Democrats running for pres is Catholic. Not
one, not any, none. By that, moron, I mean none, not any, bupkis, nada,
niente, nadie, nix, zot, zip, zero, zed...
Now, are these simple FACTS clear enough for you, superstitious ignorant
goober, or shall we tattoo it backwards on your fat ***** for easy future
reference?
Duh, duh, duh, you stupid, ignorant, superstitious buffoon.
So, that petard fit well, does it, moron? It should. After all, it's YOURS.
Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MAROON!
--
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
ABSTRACT:
....the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
.

User: "Harold Burton"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	09 May 2007 09:30:48 PM

In article <46425356$0$18895$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Peter Principle" <petesfeats@CUTITOUTgmail.com> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Ignorance wrote:

In the Catholic church, the Pope speaks for God. I don't believe
that, but those that are of that denomination have all pledged that to
be truth. So, when the Pope, today, endorsed the excommunication
threat from Catholic Bishops for anyone that supported abortion; he
gave ecclesiastical endorsement to the entire denomination, including
America.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope for holding to a belief (the killing of
infants) that is, by his words, incompatible with receiving
communion. It the Catholic, Democrat Congressmen want to continue
supporting abortion, they must find a new denomination to join.

You're ranting. Nothing new there.
<snicker>
.

User: "bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	09 May 2007 09:32:17 PM

On May 9, 7:30 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

In article <46425356$0$18895$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
"Peter Principle" <petesfe...@CUTITOUTgmail.com> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Ignorance wrote:

FYI, you half-witted ignorant boob, the most prominent Catholic in national
politics is RUDY GIULIANI, who, FYI, you half witted ignorant boob, happens
to be a REPUBLICAN.

IOW, half wit, it is pro choice supporter RUDY the REPUBLIDOLT that is most
at risk of excommunication, and not, you incredible imbecile, ANY prominent
national Democrat.

FYI, half wit, not ONE of the Democrats running for pres is Catholic. Not
one, not any, none. By that, moron, I mean none, not any, bupkis, nada,
niente, nadie, nix, zot, zip, zero, zed...

Now, are these simple FACTS clear enough for you, superstitious ignorant
goober, or shall we tattoo it backwards on your fat ***** for easy future
reference?

Duh, duh, duh, you stupid, ignorant, superstitious buffoon.

So, that petard fit well, does it, moron? It should. After all, it's YOURS.

Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MAROON!

You're ranting. Nothing new there.

<snicker>- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

jesus and rudy judyani are both gay *****, jesus created gay *****
like harold burton in his own image.
.

User: "Harold Burton"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	09 May 2007 09:34:05 PM

In article <1178764337.431164.10350@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica <bushhelpscorporations@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On May 9, 7:30 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

In article <46425356$0$18895$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
"Peter Principle" <petesfe...@CUTITOUTgmail.com> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Ignorance wrote:

FYI, you half-witted ignorant boob, the most prominent Catholic in
national
politics is RUDY GIULIANI, who, FYI, you half witted ignorant boob,
happens
to be a REPUBLICAN.

IOW, half wit, it is pro choice supporter RUDY the REPUBLIDOLT that is
most
at risk of excommunication, and not, you incredible imbecile, ANY
prominent
national Democrat.

FYI, half wit, not ONE of the Democrats running for pres is Catholic. Not
one, not any, none. By that, moron, I mean none, not any, bupkis, nada,
niente, nadie, nix, zot, zip, zero, zed...

Now, are these simple FACTS clear enough for you, superstitious ignorant
goober, or shall we tattoo it backwards on your fat ***** for easy future
reference?

Duh, duh, duh, you stupid, ignorant, superstitious buffoon.

So, that petard fit well, does it, moron? It should. After all, it's
YOURS.
Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MAROON!

You're ranting. Nothing new there.
<snicker>

jesus and rudy judyani are both gay *****, jesus created gay *****
like harold burton in his own image.

You're ranting. Nothing new there.
<snicker>
.

User: "bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	09 May 2007 09:32:35 PM

On May 9, 7:30 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

In article <46425356$0$18895$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
"Peter Principle" <petesfe...@CUTITOUTgmail.com> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Ignorance wrote:

FYI, you half-witted ignorant boob, the most prominent Catholic in national
politics is RUDY GIULIANI, who, FYI, you half witted ignorant boob, happens
to be a REPUBLICAN.

IOW, half wit, it is pro choice supporter RUDY the REPUBLIDOLT that is most
at risk of excommunication, and not, you incredible imbecile, ANY prominent
national Democrat.

FYI, half wit, not ONE of the Democrats running for pres is Catholic. Not
one, not any, none. By that, moron, I mean none, not any, bupkis, nada,
niente, nadie, nix, zot, zip, zero, zed...

Now, are these simple FACTS clear enough for you, superstitious ignorant
goober, or shall we tattoo it backwards on your fat ***** for easy future
reference?

Duh, duh, duh, you stupid, ignorant, superstitious buffoon.

So, that petard fit well, does it, moron? It should. After all, it's YOURS.

Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MAROON!

You're ranting. Nothing new there.

<snicker>- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

jesus and rudy judyani are both gay *****, jesus created gay *****
like harold burton in his own image.
.

User: "Harold Burton"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	09 May 2007 09:37:03 PM

In article <1178764355.931740.218340@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica <bushhelpscorporations@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On May 9, 7:30 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

In article <46425356$0$18895$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
"Peter Principle" <petesfe...@CUTITOUTgmail.com> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Ignorance wrote:

FYI, you half-witted ignorant boob, the most prominent Catholic in
national
politics is RUDY GIULIANI, who, FYI, you half witted ignorant boob,
happens
to be a REPUBLICAN.

IOW, half wit, it is pro choice supporter RUDY the REPUBLIDOLT that is
most
at risk of excommunication, and not, you incredible imbecile, ANY
prominent
national Democrat.

FYI, half wit, not ONE of the Democrats running for pres is Catholic. Not
one, not any, none. By that, moron, I mean none, not any, bupkis, nada,
niente, nadie, nix, zot, zip, zero, zed...

Now, are these simple FACTS clear enough for you, superstitious ignorant
goober, or shall we tattoo it backwards on your fat ***** for easy future
reference?

Duh, duh, duh, you stupid, ignorant, superstitious buffoon.

So, that petard fit well, does it, moron? It should. After all, it's
YOURS.

Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MAROON!

You're ranting. Nothing new there.

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jesus and rudy judyani are both gay *****, jesus created gay *****
like harold burton in his own image.

<snicker>
.

User: "bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	09 May 2007 09:40:19 PM

On May 9, 7:37 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

In article <1178764355.931740.218...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica <bushhelpscorporati...@yahoo.com>

wrote:

On May 9, 7:30 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

In article <46425356$0$18895$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
"Peter Principle" <petesfe...@CUTITOUTgmail.com> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Ignorance wrote:

FYI, you half-witted ignorant boob, the most prominent Catholic in
national
politics is RUDY GIULIANI, who, FYI, you half witted ignorant boob,
happens
to be a REPUBLICAN.

IOW, half wit, it is pro choice supporter RUDY the REPUBLIDOLT that is
most
at risk of excommunication, and not, you incredible imbecile, ANY
prominent
national Democrat.

FYI, half wit, not ONE of the Democrats running for pres is Catholic. Not
one, not any, none. By that, moron, I mean none, not any, bupkis, nada,
niente, nadie, nix, zot, zip, zero, zed...

Now, are these simple FACTS clear enough for you, superstitious ignorant
goober, or shall we tattoo it backwards on your fat ***** for easy future
reference?

Duh, duh, duh, you stupid, ignorant, superstitious buffoon.

So, that petard fit well, does it, moron? It should. After all, it's
YOURS.

Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MAROON!

You're ranting. Nothing new there.

<snicker>- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

jesus and rudy judyani are both gay *****, jesus created gay *****
like harold burton in his own image.

<snicker>- Hide quoted text -

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harold burton is a gay ***** and would do whatever bush told him to
do.
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User: "Harold Burton"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	09 May 2007 09:42:23 PM

In article <1178764819.949599.107710@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica <bushhelpscorporations@yahoo.com>
wrote:

harold burton is a gay ***** and would do whatever bush told him to
do.

There ya go, a fine example of how leftards "debate".
<sniker>
.

User: "Anonymous"
Title: Re: Pope: Liberals Risk Excommunication! SPREAD THE WORD!	10 May 2007 04:58:20 PM

On Thu, 10 May 2007, "Jamie Brinkoeter" <jamstew@verizon.net> wrote:

"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:9ac98ac5d7902196cc41ff362b4593db@dizum.com...

But of course, not one real Conservative voter in America would
ever vote for a Liberal Republican. We'll vote en masse for the
next President of these United States of America, Newt Gingrich,
or we'll stay home on election day.

And that accomplishes what, exactly?

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For one, the Republicans cannot possibly win the Presidential
election of November 4th, 2008, without the Conservative vote
to back them. Not too many "Liberal Conservatives" out there
to vote for Giuliani, especially not with the excommunication
cloud hanging over his head in the wake of the Pope's warning!
America's political landscape is about to change dramatically...
In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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User: "Paul Duca"
Title: Re: Pope: Liberals Risk Excommunication! SPREAD THE WORD!	10 May 2007 09:09:48 PM

in article c0e824fabb22c1e3acd4e4cc15a556b2@ecn.org, Anonymous at
cripto@ecn.org wrote on 5/10/07 5:58 PM:

On Thu, 10 May 2007, "Jamie Brinkoeter" <jamstew@verizon.net> wrote:

"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:9ac98ac5d7902196cc41ff362b4593db@dizum.com...

And that accomplishes what, exactly?

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For one, the Republicans cannot possibly win the Presidential
election of November 4th, 2008, without the Conservative vote
to back them.

So Min can pretend they will all hire him to do their horoscopes...
Paul
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User: "Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	09 May 2007 09:21:40 PM

On Wed, 9 May 2007, "Peter Principle" <petesfeats@CUTITOUTgmail.com> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Ignorance wrote:

FYI, you half-witted ignorant boob, the most prominent Catholic in national
politics is RUDY GIULIANI, who, FYI, you half witted ignorant boob, happens
to be a REPUBLICAN.

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But of course, not one real Conservative voter in America would
ever vote for a Liberal Republican. We'll vote en masse for the
next President of these United States of America, Newt Gingrich,
or we'll stay home on election day.

FYI, half wit, not ONE of the Democrats running for pres is Catholic.

Not too many practicing Liberal Catholic Atheists out there, huh?

Now, are these simple FACTS clear enough for you, superstitious ignorant
goober, or shall we tattoo it backwards on your fat ***** for easy future
reference?

It's good that you Anti-Christian Liberal Atheists continue to
demonstrate your rabid bigotry and intolerance for Non-Atheists,
particularly Christians. Please continue expressing your anger,
your unwarranted arrogance, and your foolish contempt for God.
I makes you look very mature, very wise, and very professional.
That really helps to promote your Liberal cause in the minds of
Conservative Non-Atheist Americans, especially Christian voters.
We Christians are very impressed with you Liberal Atheists. You
really do impress us. God knows you Atheists are so superior to
us poor Christians. You call us "brain-dead morons", ad nauseam.
And all those Aborted children, they're "brain-dead morons" too?
And while we're on the subject of how Catholics are so inferior
to you Liberal Atheists, you might want to check out this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States
And I quote:
"In 2005, Chief Justice John Roberts became the fourth
sitting Catholic Justice, creating the first Catholic
plurality on the Court. On January 31, 2006, Samuel
Alito became the fifth sitting Catholic Justice.
Catholic Justices now constitute 56% (5 of 9) of the
Supreme Court; about 25% of Americans are Catholic."
Today's stern warning from Pope Benedict, that Catholics,
particularly Catholic politicians, risked excommunication
and shall be refused communion if they support Abortion,
that pretty much tolls the death knell for "Roe V Wade".
So no matter which party wins the 2008 election, Abortion,
the cold-blooded murder of unborn human children, will be
on the SCOTUS chopping block, and that makes Conservatives
very happy! Because once Roe V Wade is finally overturned,
the Liberal-Atheist house of cards will begin to collapse,
and the return of the Ten Commandments & Golden Rule, and
introducing the theory of Intelligent Design, into public
schools will be inevitable. Even before then, you can bet
that legal marriage will be defined as *ONLY* between one
man and one woman (e.g., 'Marriage Protection Ammendment'),
and doubtless most if not all other Liberal rulings handed
down by the Supreme Court (since 1947) shall be overturned.
So tell us, Peter Puffer, who's the "half-witted ignorant
boob" now? :-D
God Bless The Pope!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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User: "Anlatt the Builder"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope - Actually, Moron, It's Republidolt RUDY GIULIANI That's At Risk of Excommunication...	10 May 2007 01:14:49 PM

On May 9, 7:21 pm, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
<anonym...@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:

Gingrich? The adulterer on his third marraige? I thought the right
wing had higher standards than that....
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	09 May 2007 11:18:48 AM

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

Which shows how the church has been corrupted by arrogance.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope

And the Catholic church is at risk of losing its tax-exempt status
for meddling in politics.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	10 May 2007 08:45:25 AM

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4641f468$0$14137$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

Which shows how the church has been corrupted by arrogance.

The Catholic Church's followers don't consider it arrogant, and the opinion
of others (including you) is ignored.

So, Democrat abortion supporters in Congress are under threat of
excommunication from the Pope

And the Catholic church is at risk of losing its tax-exempt status
for meddling in politics.

Not a chance.
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User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	10 May 2007 11:33:19 AM

"Patriot Games":

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4641f468$0$14137$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

Which shows how the church has been corrupted by arrogance.

The Catholic Church's followers don't consider it arrogant, and the opinion
of others (including you) is ignored.

Not at the ballot box.
-- cary
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	10 May 2007 02:17:54 PM

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1vhgf$nbu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...

"Patriot Games":

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4641f468$0$14137$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

Which shows how the church has been corrupted by arrogance.

The Catholic Church's followers don't consider it arrogant, and the
opinion
of others (including you) is ignored.

Not at the ballot box.

You don't get to vote for the Pope, dummy.
.

User: "Mark Sebree"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	10 May 2007 04:40:45 PM

On May 10, 3:17 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:

"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message

news:f1vhgf$nbu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...

"Patriot Games":

"Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4641f468$0$14137$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Which shows how the church has been corrupted by arrogance.

The Catholic Church's followers don't consider it arrogant, and the
opinion of others (including you) is ignored.

Not at the ballot box.

You don't get to vote for the Pope, dummy.

But we DO get to vote on the politicians that the Pope is trying to
control and tell what laws they can and cannot vote for. If Catholic
politicians are viewed as being "untrustworthy" because they will vote
their religion rather than as their constituents want, they will be
voted out of office, and the Pope can no longer even pretend that he
has a say in how the rest of the politicians vote.
Keep in mind that a few decades ago, there were few politicians in
Congress that were Catholic BECAUSE of just that fear, that they would
vote according to how Rome dictated rather than how the voters wanted.
Mark Sebree
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	11 May 2007 09:50:37 AM

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1178833245.185266.236550@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

On May 10, 3:17 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:

"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1vhgf$nbu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...

"Patriot Games":

"Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4641f468$0$14137$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Which shows how the church has been corrupted by arrogance.

The Catholic Church's followers don't consider it arrogant, and the
opinion of others (including you) is ignored.

Not at the ballot box.

You don't get to vote for the Pope, dummy.

But we DO get to vote on the politicians that the Pope is trying to
control and tell what laws they can and cannot vote for.

No he's not.

If Catholic
politicians are viewed as being "untrustworthy" because they will vote
their religion rather than as their constituents want, they will be
voted out of office, and the Pope can no longer even pretend that he
has a say in how the rest of the politicians vote.

The Pope is running his Church. Its his Church and so he gets to do that.
If one doesn't want to be a Catholic then one can quit. If one doesn't
follow the Pope's dictates then the Pope can kick you out.

Keep in mind that a few decades ago, there were few politicians in
Congress that were Catholic BECAUSE of just that fear, that they would
vote according to how Rome dictated rather than how the voters wanted.

You're still confused. If the voter's vote for a Catholic they SHOULD
expect that Catholic to vote according to Catholic faiths.
If a Catholic runs for office on non-Catholic positions he/she isn't really
a Catholic. That's what this is about.
.

User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	11 May 2007 12:23:56 PM

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:

The Pope is running his Church. Its his Church

No it isn't. It's Jesus Christ's church.

You're still confused. If the voter's vote for a Catholic they SHOULD
expect that Catholic to vote according to Catholic faiths.

In this country, we expect otherwise; we expect politicians to
represent their constituents and to vote for positions that those
constituents want them to vote for, not for those positions chosen by
some foreign religious figure.
For the most part, our politicians abide by that expectation.

If a Catholic runs for office on non-Catholic positions he/she isn't really
a Catholic.

A Catholic, or anyone else, should run on the positions that he
believes that his constituency wants him to promote. Politicians are
public SERVANTS. "We the people" are the bosses, not the Pope.
And a politician is a Roman Catholic unless explicitly booted from the
church (not merely denied communion, which is what apparently was
meant by the threat of excommunication in this case).
If explicitly booted, he may still be a Catholic, but not a member of
the Roman Catholic church. There are several splinter churches that
have broken off from Rome, but still call themselves "Catholic".
The Pope no longer even gets to define who is Catholic.
lojbab
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	12 May 2007 08:47:35 AM

"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:f49943p0ojcke4vrbiio18f34q8cju65ig@4ax.com...

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:

The Pope is running his Church. Its his Church

No it isn't. It's Jesus Christ's church.

No. The Roman Catholic Church belongs to the Roman Catholics who elected
their Pope to be in charge.
This is pretty simple stuff. If you want to play with words be my guest.

You're still confused. If the voter's vote for a Catholic they SHOULD
expect that Catholic to vote according to Catholic faiths.

You're still confused. A politician can't represent constituents unless
those constituents elected him/her. If they elect a Catholic they did so
knowing what that means. If the candidate lied then elect somebody else
next time.

For the most part, our politicians abide by that expectation.

They generally don't get re-elected if they don't.

If a Catholic runs for office on non-Catholic positions he/she isn't
really
a Catholic.

A Catholic, or anyone else, should run on the positions that he
believes that his constituency wants him to promote.

That's the stupidest thing I've heard in days.
A candidate should have THEIR OWN positions, and should test them with the
constituency. If there exists a likeminded constituency then that candidate
gets elected and NOBODY is surprised. A candidate who merely adopts
whatever positions a constituency presently has is a *****.

Politicians are public SERVANTS. "We the people" are the bosses, not the
Pope.

We exercise our boss-ness when we vote. The Pope exercises his boss-ness
over Catholics daily.

And a politician is a Roman Catholic unless explicitly booted from the
church (not merely denied communion, which is what apparently was
meant by the threat of excommunication in this case).

Here's a good reference on Excommunication.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm

If explicitly booted, he may still be a Catholic, but not a member of
the Roman Catholic church. There are several splinter churches that
have broken off from Rome, but still call themselves "Catholic".
The Pope no longer even gets to define who is Catholic.

Whatever....
I'm not a Catholic. Whatever they do is their business. Personally, I
think the Pope should totally and very publically excommunicate and ban
everyone who supports any form of Abortion. To do otherwise makes the Roman
Catholic Church a farce.
.

User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: Catholic Democrats Risk Excommunication - Pope	12 May 2007 12:18:22 PM

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:

"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:f49943p0ojcke4vrbiio18f34q8cju65ig@4ax.com...

The Pope is running his Church. Its his Church

No it isn't. It's Jesus Christ's church.

No. The Roman Catholic Church belongs to the Roman Catholics who elected
their Pope to be in charge.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
And the Roman Catholics elect neither the Pope, nor the cardinals who
actually do elect the Pope. The governance of the church is a
self-perpetuating gerontocracy (the Mormons are the same way). There
is nothing democratic about it.
And the cardinals don't own the church either, merely by having the
power to elect the Pope. Not legally, nor morally, nor practically
(it ain't the cardinal that declares bankruptcy nor necessarily faces
other consequences, when an archdiocese has to pay damages for the
abuse done by its priests).

You're still confused. If the voter's vote for a Catholic they SHOULD
expect that Catholic to vote according to Catholic faiths.

You're still confused. A politician can't represent constituents unless
those constituents elected him/her. If they elect a Catholic they did so
knowing what that means.

They *expect* that it means that the politician is still serving them
and not the Pope. If it regularly comes to mean something else, then
likely very few Catholic politicians will have a prayer of being
elected, as was the case before Kennedy managed to overcome historical
bias and get elected president.

If a Catholic runs for office on non-Catholic positions he/she isn't
really
a Catholic.

A Catholic, or anyone else, should run on the positions that he
believes that his constituency wants him to promote.

That's the stupidest thing I've heard in days.

A candidate should have THEIR OWN positions, and should test them with the
constituency. If there exists a likeminded constituency then that candidate
gets elected and NOBODY is surprised. A candidate who merely adopts
whatever positions a constituency presently has is a *****.

No. He is a public servant. He knows who is his boss, and it isn't
the Pope.

Politicians are public SERVANTS. "We the people" are the bosses, not the
Pope.

We exercise our boss-ness when we vote. The Pope exercises his boss-ness
over Catholics daily.

And Catholics in this country are perfectly free to ignore the Pope,
as is evidenced by the fact that they do in matters of birth control
and other issues.

And a politician is a Roman Catholic unless explicitly booted from the
church (not merely denied communion, which is what apparently was
meant by the threat of excommunication in this case).

Here's a good reference on Excommunication.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm

I read it. Note that it is described as a "penalty". And of course
it is ineffective in a pluralistic society, since the church has no
way to enforce "an exile from Christian society" and cannot in fact
even effectively enforce exile from Catholic society.
"his status before the Church is that of a stranger. He may not
participate in public worship" is nonsense, since strangers can and do
participate in public worship services in Catholic churches. I know
because I did so several times while growing up, and once or twice as
an adult, generally accompanying another Catholic. But no one even
asked me who I was at the door, and if I had been an excommunicate, no
one could have stopped me.
The article even supports my statement as to its unenforceability:
<This recommendation of the Council of Trent has been duly heeded, and
< the use of censures as a means of coercion has grown constantly
< rarer, the more so as it is hardly ever, possible for the Church to
< obtain from the civil power the execution of such penalties.

I'm not a Catholic. Whatever they do is their business.

If you aren't a Catholic, you cannot claim especial insight into the
thought process that goes into its decisions on such things as
excommunication. I'm not a Catholic either, but the bulk of my
father's family is (my father dropped out of seminary study for the
priesthood and stopped attending church, once he decided that he did
not believe the dogma) so that I am not entirely unaware of the
culture. My grandparents were quite devoted Catholics - 12 kids worth
- but it is perhaps significant, that of the 11 that survived to
adulthood, only 3 had as many as a half dozen kids. And the grandkids
probably have an overall higher divorce rate than society at large,
though most still consider themselves Catholic.

Personally, I
think the Pope should totally and very publically excommunicate and ban
everyone who supports any form of Abortion. To do otherwise makes the Roman
Catholic Church a farce.

No. It means that the Roman Catholic Church is about more than being
"thought police" (which no society really needs). If your position is
valid, they would have to have the same argument against every
Catholic who disagreed with ANY of the thousands of doctrinal
decisions made by the church authorities over the centuries. Why is
abortion so important as to warrant a special focus on the most
extreme penalty?
Of course the Catholic church did try what you suggested, more or
less, back in the middle ages. They ended up with a Protestant church
and the ensuing loss of authority that came from having a pluralistic
society. Not to mention the blood of thousands of dead from the wars
between Protestants and Catholics ever since then.
I have the opposite interpretation. Just as governments work to serve
"we the people", so do churches. If the Pope doesn't do what the
church members want, they are free to ignore him. After all, in a
society that values freedom of religion, they are free to ignore
*God*. Why should the Pope be given more authority than God?
God can and will do whatever punishment for our sins He deems
appropriate without any help from priests or Popes. We don't need
churches to do His job for Him; nor does He. Churches have another
role for human beings, and discipline isn't an important one. (in
other societies where the church was paternalistic, and "Holy Father"
actually defined his role to the people, things might have been
otherwise)
lojbab
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