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"Charles Farley" |
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09 Sep 2004 06:57:29 PM |
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CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
CBS apparently thinks they had Microsoft Word in 1973:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526
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"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off
without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not
safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be President or
the credibility to be elected President."
- John Kerry
"Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq ... America's
sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their
country, on behalf of freedom, the war on terror."
- John Kerry
"I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat
to our country."
- John Edwards
"I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world
only at the directive of the United Nations."
- John Kerry
"I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis."
- John Kerry
John Kerry's Book: "The New Soldier"
http://johnkerrythenewsoldier.blogspot.com
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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10 Sep 2004 05:36:16 PM |
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If the documents are forgeries, it is no surprise. Dan Rather is
notoriously shameless and CBS has outdone the other liberal media
networks in attacking the President politically and hoping that he
loses re-election this year.
Who is Rather's assistant, April Oliver or some other "crusader"
(jihadist) journalist openly in favor of "advocacy journalism," where
the message matters more than the facts?
Dave Simpson
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| User: "Sic Cumference" |
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10 Sep 2004 07:26:52 PM |
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Dave Simpson wrote:
If the documents are forgeries, it is no surprise. Dan Rather is
notoriously shameless and CBS has outdone the other liberal media
networks in attacking the President politically and hoping that he
loses re-election this year.
Who is Rather's assistant, April Oliver or some other "crusader"
(jihadist) journalist openly in favor of "advocacy journalism," where
the message matters more than the facts?
Dave Simpson
Never let it be said that Dan Blather will let a few facts stand in the
way of a good story.
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| User: "Dermot Donovan" |
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10 Sep 2004 11:25:15 PM |
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"Sic Cumference" <radiodaze@this.not> wrote in message
news:cbCdnbljKu7w1N_cRVn-ug@gbronline.com...
Dave Simpson wrote:
If the documents are forgeries, it is no surprise. Dan Rather is
notoriously shameless and CBS has outdone the other liberal media
networks in attacking the President politically and hoping that he
loses re-election this year.
Who is Rather's assistant, April Oliver or some other "crusader"
(jihadist) journalist openly in favor of "advocacy journalism," where
the message matters more than the facts?
Dave Simpson
Never let it be said that Dan Blather will let a few facts stand in the
way of a good story.
What's a problem here? G.W. Bush is a certified liear, is he not? And
Americans are hopelessly addicted to lies, are they not? The entire everyday
life in America is saturated with lies of all sorts imaginable. Marketing
lies, political lies, private lies, lies, lies, lies...Liar President for
the Nation of Liars is exactly what this nation wants. And people normally
get what they want.
So who cares if Bush or Dan Rather or whoever else are forging something or
lying about something? Everybody does it for sure, so why bother?
DD
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| User: "Sic Cumference" |
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11 Sep 2004 12:01:59 AM |
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Dermot Donovan wrote:
What's a problem here? G.W. Bush is a certified liear, is he not? And
Americans are hopelessly addicted to lies, are they not? The entire everyday
life in America is saturated with lies of all sorts imaginable. Marketing
lies, political lies, private lies, lies, lies, lies...Liar President for
the Nation of Liars is exactly what this nation wants. And people normally
get what they want.
So who cares if Bush or Dan Rather or whoever else are forging something or
lying about something? Everybody does it for sure, so why bother?
DD
LOL, you may just have a point.
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| User: "" |
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11 Sep 2004 01:12:46 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 04:25:15 GMT, "Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.net>
wrote:
What's a problem here? G.W. Bush is a certified liear, is he not? And
Americans are hopelessly addicted to lies, are they not? The entire everyday
life in America is saturated with lies of all sorts imaginable. Marketing
lies, political lies, private lies, lies, lies, lies...Liar President for
the Nation of Liars is exactly what this nation wants. And people normally
get what they want.
So who cares if Bush or Dan Rather or whoever else are forging something or
lying about something? Everybody does it for sure, so why bother?
You're lying of course.
DD
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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10 Sep 2004 06:01:01 PM |
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If the documents are forgeries, it's not surprising. CBS has outdone
CNN and the other liberal media networks in attacking Bush politically
this year.
Who is Dan Rather's assistant, April Oliver or some nitwit "crusader"
(jihadist) journalist openly in favor of "advocacy journalism," where
the message matters more than the facts?
Dave Simpson
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| User: "Deficit Spender Bush Red Ink" |
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11 Sep 2004 01:25:49 AM |
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In article <23e7f86e.0409101434.3da6ee@posting.google.com>, says...
If the documents are forgeries, it's not surprising. CBS has outdone
CNN and the other liberal media networks in attacking Bush politically
this year.
Who is Dan Rather's assistant, April Oliver or some nitwit "crusader"
(jihadist) journalist openly in favor of "advocacy journalism," where
the message matters more than the facts?
Dave Simpson
"Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability
in the 1970's," Mr. Rather said.
"But some models did," he added, showing an old
Guard record previously provided by the White House
that such superscripts.
source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/11/politics/campaign/11guard.html
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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11 Sep 2004 07:07:01 AM |
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"Deficit Spender Bush" <Red Ink Bush@rnc.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bac3a434d418fb6989c54@netnews.comcast.net...
"Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability
in the 1970's," Mr. Rather said.
"But some models did," he added, showing an old
Guard record previously provided by the White House
that such superscripts.
Rather's rather sticky problem is that he cannot
show one with ALL of the required features nor
can he show one even close that was OWNED
by the TX ANG during that time.
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Herb Martin
source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/11/politics/campaign/11guard.html
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| User: "Company Man" |
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11 Sep 2004 08:35:32 AM |
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:FTB0d.13222$ug2.3531@fe2.texas.rr.com...
"Deficit Spender Bush" <Red Ink Bush@rnc.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bac3a434d418fb6989c54@netnews.comcast.net...
"Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability
in the 1970's," Mr. Rather said.
"But some models did," he added, showing an old
Guard record previously provided by the White House
that such superscripts.
Rather's rather sticky problem is that he cannot
show one with ALL of the required features nor
can he show one even close that was OWNED
by the TX ANG during that time.
Even the superscript capability which SeeBS referred to in their own defense
was not the reduced - size superscript of the type shown in the 'memos'.
Their major source of corroboration says he was lied to during a phone
interview (they told him the documents were hand written). They now admit
they never had originals. And lets not get into the presence of kerning and
exact centering of proportional text.
Oh yeah, they refuted the forgery hoax claims -- NOT. Pathetic, really.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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11 Sep 2004 11:12:03 AM |
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"Company Man" <spook@covert.invalid> wrote in message
news:10k5vp8kgbncq5a@corp.supernews.com...
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:FTB0d.13222$ug2.3531@fe2.texas.rr.com...
"Deficit Spender Bush" <Red Ink Bush@rnc.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bac3a434d418fb6989c54@netnews.comcast.net...
"Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability
in the 1970's," Mr. Rather said.
"But some models did," he added, showing an old
Guard record previously provided by the White House
that such superscripts.
Rather's rather sticky problem is that he cannot
show one with ALL of the required features nor
can he show one even close that was OWNED
by the TX ANG during that time.
Even the superscript capability which SeeBS referred to in their own
defense
was not the reduced - size superscript of the type shown in the 'memos'.
Their major source of corroboration says he was lied to during a phone
interview (they told him the documents were hand written). They now admit
they never had originals. And lets not get into the presence of kerning
and
exact centering of proportional text.
Oh yeah, they refuted the forgery hoax claims -- NOT. Pathetic, really.
The following is definitive proof of the forgery....
The graphics experiments and examples on the following site make it
absolutely irrefutable that Dan Rather and CBS used FORGED DOCUMENTS:
http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html
The following site has more explanation and some of the same examples but
the first is the absolute best that I have seen:
http://www.chronicallybiased.com/index.php?itemid=1486
Please spend only 3-5 minutes proving it for yourself....
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| User: "Fay" |
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11 Sep 2004 12:00:03 PM |
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in
news:ntF0d.13446$ug2.9742@fe2.texas.rr.com:
"Company Man" <spook@covert.invalid> wrote in message
news:10k5vp8kgbncq5a@corp.supernews.com...
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:FTB0d.13222$ug2.3531@fe2.texas.rr.com...
"Deficit Spender Bush" <Red Ink Bush@rnc.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bac3a434d418fb6989c54@netnews.comcast.net...
"Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability
in the 1970's," Mr. Rather said.
"But some models did," he added, showing an old
Guard record previously provided by the White House
that such superscripts.
Rather's rather sticky problem is that he cannot
show one with ALL of the required features nor
can he show one even close that was OWNED
by the TX ANG during that time.
Even the superscript capability which SeeBS referred to in their own
defense
was not the reduced - size superscript of the type shown in the
'memos'. Their major source of corroboration says he was lied to
during a phone interview (they told him the documents were hand
written). They now admit they never had originals. And lets not get
into the presence of kerning
and
exact centering of proportional text.
Oh yeah, they refuted the forgery hoax claims -- NOT. Pathetic,
really.
The following is definitive proof of the forgery....
The graphics experiments and examples on the following site make it
absolutely irrefutable that Dan Rather and CBS used FORGED DOCUMENTS:
http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html
The following site has more explanation and some of the same examples
but the first is the absolute best that I have seen:
http://www.chronicallybiased.com/index.php?itemid=1486
Please spend only 3-5 minutes proving it for yourself....
Also from this mornings Dallas Morning News
More challenges about whether Bush documents are authentic
By Pete Slover
The Dallas Morning News
AUSTIN, Texas - The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to
"sugarcoat" George W. Bush's military record left the Texas Air National
Guard a year and a half before the memo supposedly was written, his service
record shows.
An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck"
Staudt was honorably discharged March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week
that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers'
negative evaluations of the future president's service was dated Aug. 18,
1973.
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| User: "Deficit Spender Bush Red Ink" |
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11 Sep 2004 03:41:43 PM |
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In article <ntF0d.13446$ug2.9742@fe2.texas.rr.com>, says...
"Company Man" <spook@covert.invalid> wrote in message
news:10k5vp8kgbncq5a@corp.supernews.com...
"Herb Martin" < > wrote in message
news:FTB0d.13222$ug2.3531@fe2.texas.rr.com...
"Deficit Spender Bush" <Red Ink Bush@rnc.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bac3a434d418fb6989c54@netnews.comcast.net...
"Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability
in the 1970's," Mr. Rather said.
"But some models did," he added, showing an old
Guard record previously provided by the White House
that such superscripts.
Rather's rather sticky problem is that he cannot
show one with ALL of the required features nor
can he show one even close that was OWNED
by the TX ANG during that time.
Even the superscript capability which SeeBS referred to in their own
defense
was not the reduced - size superscript of the type shown in the 'memos'.
Their major source of corroboration says he was lied to during a phone
interview (they told him the documents were hand written). They now admit
they never had originals. And lets not get into the presence of kerning
and
exact centering of proportional text.
Oh yeah, they refuted the forgery hoax claims -- NOT. Pathetic, really.
The following is definitive proof of the forgery....
The graphics experiments and examples on the following site make it
absolutely irrefutable that Dan Rather and CBS used FORGED DOCUMENTS:
http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html
The ink on the Word version is much more uniform, the
CBS version looks typed to me. The lower case e's and
s's look slightly dirty like the type ball needed cleaning.
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| User: "Company Man" |
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11 Sep 2004 06:55:52 PM |
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"Deficit Spender Bush" <Red Ink Bush@rnc.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bad02e95ba48589989c5b@netnews.comcast.net...
In article <ntF0d.13446$ug2.9742@fe2.texas.rr.com>,
says...
The ink on the Word version is much more uniform, the
CBS version looks typed to me. The lower case e's and
s's look slightly dirty like the type ball needed cleaning.
Give it UP, man! It's OVER! CBS has NOT ONE forensic document specialist
willing to vouch for these pathetic attempts at forgey. Even far left
liberal spokespersons (let's be politically correct here, whaddaya say) like
Pat Caddell and Terry Mcauliffe are distancing themselves from this. Several
of the bonafide (look it up) forensic document specialists who have come
forward to say these are fakes, are democrats, intending to vote for Kerry.
I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
and on and on and on and <Ctrl-Break>
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and
on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and
on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and
on<Ctrl-Break><Ctrl-Break> Dammit!
Look. Do what Rather is doing. Say that the authenticity of the support
documents doesn't matter, that it's the charges made which matter. Never
mind this is the exact opposite standard you wanted to apply to the Swift
Vets~ the public will understand, yeah that's the ticket!
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| User: "Deficit Spender Bush Red Ink" |
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12 Sep 2004 12:23:49 AM |
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In article <10k744e187vd6e8@corp.supernews.com>, spook@covert.invalid says...
"Deficit Spender Bush" <Red Ink Bush@rnc.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bad02e95ba48589989c5b@netnews.comcast.net...
In article <ntF0d.13446$ug2.9742@fe2.texas.rr.com>,
says...
The ink on the Word version is much more uniform, the
CBS version looks typed to me. The lower case e's and
s's look slightly dirty like the type ball needed cleaning.
Give it UP, man! It's OVER! CBS has NOT ONE forensic document specialist
willing to vouch for these pathetic attempts at forgey. Even far left
liberal spokespersons (let's be politically correct here, whaddaya say) like
Pat Caddell and Terry Mcauliffe are distancing themselves from this. Several
of the bonafide (look it up) forensic document specialists who have come
forward to say these are fakes, are democrats, intending to vote for Kerry.
I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
and on and on and on and <Ctrl-Break>
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and
on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and
on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and
on<Ctrl-Break><Ctrl-Break> Dammit!
Look. Do what Rather is doing. Say that the authenticity of the support
documents doesn't matter, that it's the charges made which matter. Never
mind this is the exact opposite standard you wanted to apply to the Swift
Vets~ the public will understand, yeah that's the ticket!
And yet, as any child can see:
The ink on the Word version is much more uniform.
The lower case e's and s's look slightly dirty
like the type ball needed cleaning.
http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html
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| User: "Company Man" |
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12 Sep 2004 09:55:52 AM |
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"Deficit Spender Bush" <Red Ink Bush@rnc.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bad7d3e46c7439d989c5d@netnews.comcast.net...
In article <10k744e187vd6e8@corp.supernews.com>, spook@covert.invalid
says...
And yet, as any child can see:
The ink on the Word version is much more uniform.
The lower case e's and s's look slightly dirty
like the type ball needed cleaning.
http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html
You truly are a partisan idiot. The smudged "documents" you are referring to
are photocopies of photocopies of photocopies of (repeat 20 times or so); a
well know flag for forgery.
By ther way, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times and ABC News now have
turned on ol' Dan. How much longer do you think you can keep up this
charade? DO NOT bother to reply~
(LePLONK! from RONCO)
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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12 Sep 2004 03:57:36 AM |
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Look. Do what Rather is doing. Say that the authenticity of the support
documents doesn't matter, that it's the charges made which matter. Never
mind this is the exact opposite standard you wanted to apply to the
Swift
Vets~ the public will understand, yeah that's the ticket!
And yet, as any child can see:
The ink on the Word version is much more uniform.
The lower case e's and s's look slightly dirty
like the type ball needed cleaning.
http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html
It's a copy of a copy but NO ONE has shown any machine
that can do better and which was available circa 1972.
Any rookie reporter can create the precise document using
Word defaults so until someone give MAKE/MODEL/
SERIAL NUMBER of the actual machine the docs remain
forgeries.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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11 Sep 2004 04:38:12 PM |
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The following is definitive proof of the forgery....
The graphics experiments and examples on the following site make it
absolutely irrefutable that Dan Rather and CBS used FORGED DOCUMENTS:
http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html
The ink on the Word version is much more uniform, the
CBS version looks typed to me. The lower case e's and
s's look slightly dirty like the type ball needed cleaning.
The RatherGATE documents are POOR COPIES which
should never have been used to start.
Even were they not amateur fakes, they are not authenticatable
without the originals or a chain of custody, both of which CBS
lacks.
Obviously, someone fed CBS and RatherGATE this tripe,
but how they fell for it is beyond belief.
No one can produce such documents using the equipment
available circa 1972.
Every 12 year old and every rookie reporter can produce
a clear match using the MS Word DEFAULT SETTINGS.
Whoever made these was either a total idiot or never intended
they would pass.
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| User: "Bob" |
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11 Sep 2004 04:48:01 PM |
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:8fK0d.13601$ug2.11981@fe2.texas.rr.com...
The following is definitive proof of the forgery....
The graphics experiments and examples on the following site make it
absolutely irrefutable that Dan Rather and CBS used FORGED DOCUMENTS:
http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html
The ink on the Word version is much more uniform, the
CBS version looks typed to me. The lower case e's and
s's look slightly dirty like the type ball needed cleaning.
The RatherGATE documents are POOR COPIES which
should never have been used to start.
Even were they not amateur fakes, they are not authenticatable
without the originals or a chain of custody, both of which CBS
lacks.
Obviously, someone fed CBS and RatherGATE this tripe,
but how they fell for it is beyond belief.
No one can produce such documents using the equipment
available circa 1972.
Every 12 year old and every rookie reporter can produce
a clear match using the MS Word DEFAULT SETTINGS.
Whoever made these was either a total idiot or never intended
they would pass.
It does appear that CBS is heading in the
direction of the BBC, NY Times, and LA
Times. Sad ... these all were credible
news sources years ago.
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12 Sep 2004 11:45:23 AM |
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message news:<inK0d.181$zT6.64@bignews5.bellsouth.net>...
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:8fK0d.13601$ug2.11981@fe2.texas.rr.com...
The following is definitive proof of the forgery....
The graphics experiments and examples on the following site make it
absolutely irrefutable that Dan Rather and CBS used FORGED DOCUMENTS:
http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html
The ink on the Word version is much more uniform, the
CBS version looks typed to me. The lower case e's and
s's look slightly dirty like the type ball needed cleaning.
The RatherGATE documents are POOR COPIES which
should never have been used to start.
Even were they not amateur fakes, they are not authenticatable
without the originals or a chain of custody, both of which CBS
lacks.
Obviously, someone fed CBS and RatherGATE this tripe,
but how they fell for it is beyond belief.
No one can produce such documents using the equipment
available circa 1972.
Every 12 year old and every rookie reporter can produce
a clear match using the MS Word DEFAULT SETTINGS.
Whoever made these was either a total idiot or never intended
they would pass.
It does appear that CBS is heading in the
direction of the BBC, NY Times, and LA
Times. Sad ... these all were credible
news sources years ago.
I still remember the smear job that the Los Angeles Times did on
Arnold Schwarzenegger before he was elected Governor of California.
Michael
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11 Sep 2004 05:51:42 PM |
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It does appear that CBS is heading in the
direction of the BBC, NY Times, and LA
Times. Sad ... these all were credible
news sources years ago.
The LA and NY times are both looking like somewhat
reliable compared to CBS this week.
Of course it won't last.
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| User: "" |
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11 Sep 2004 03:22:26 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 06:25:49 GMT, Deficit Spender Bush <Red Ink
Bush@rnc.org> wrote:
In article <23e7f86e.0409101434.3da6ee@posting.google.com>, says...
If the documents are forgeries, it's not surprising. CBS has outdone
CNN and the other liberal media networks in attacking Bush politically
this year.
Who is Dan Rather's assistant, April Oliver or some nitwit "crusader"
(jihadist) journalist openly in favor of "advocacy journalism," where
the message matters more than the facts?
Dave Simpson
"Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability
in the 1970's," Mr. Rather said.
"But some models did," he added, showing an old
Guard record previously provided by the White House
that such superscripts.
source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/11/politics/campaign/11guard.html
ABC News’ Up-to-the-Minute Political News Digest
A product of The Note
Comments, questions, tips: e-mail us at
ABCNEWS.com
HODGES SAID HE WAS MISLED BY CBS: Retired Maj. General Hodges,
Killian's supervisor at the Grd, tells ABC News that he feels CBS
misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges,
CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him
excerpts he said, "well if he wrote them that's what he felt."
# Hodges also said he did not see the documents in the 70's and he
cannot authenticate the documents or the contents. His personal belief
is that the documents have been "computer generated" and are a
"fraud".
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212957/posts
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| Title: Re: CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
09 Sep 2004 08:36:37 PM |
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In news:a12aa624.0409091557.4366af7f@posting.google.com,
Charles Farley <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> pecked:
CBS apparently thinks they had Microsoft Word in 1973:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526
Additionally, in 1973 an Air Force officer (to include ANG) would have
titled the document 'MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD'.
The Memorandum for Record (MFR) is a very common document in the military.
I have NEVER seen one titled 'CYA'.
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Dave Thompson
(The Other)
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| User: "JJ" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
09 Sep 2004 06:59:15 PM |
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No way! Not Comrade Rather and the Communist Broadcast System!
Charles Farley wrote:
CBS apparently thinks they had Microsoft Word in 1973:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526
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"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off
without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not
safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be President or
the credibility to be elected President."
- John Kerry
"Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq ... America's
sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their
country, on behalf of freedom, the war on terror."
- John Kerry
"I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat
to our country."
- John Edwards
"I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world
only at the directive of the United Nations."
- John Kerry
"I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis."
- John Kerry
John Kerry's Book: "The New Soldier"
http://johnkerrythenewsoldier.blogspot.com
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| User: "Joe S." |
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| Title: Re: CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
09 Sep 2004 08:47:04 PM |
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You assholes need to learn about the history of the typewriter --
specifically the IBM Selectric with interchangeable type balls -- one of
which was Times New Roman. In fact, I have one sitting on my desk at this
minute. The Selectric was the standard military typewriter from the late
1960's.
What's your next stupid comment?
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Joe S.
"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a12aa624.0409091557.4366af7f@posting.google.com...
CBS apparently thinks they had Microsoft Word in 1973:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526
---
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off
without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not
safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be President or
the credibility to be elected President."
- John Kerry
"Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq ... America's
sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their
country, on behalf of freedom, the war on terror."
- John Kerry
"I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat
to our country."
- John Edwards
"I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world
only at the directive of the United Nations."
- John Kerry
"I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis."
- John Kerry
John Kerry's Book: "The New Soldier"
http://johnkerrythenewsoldier.blogspot.com
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
09 Sep 2004 10:34:18 PM |
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"Joe S." <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:chr12h0g9o@news2.newsguy.com...
You assholes need to learn about the history of the typewriter --
specifically the IBM Selectric with interchangeable type balls -- one of
which was Times New Roman. In fact, I have one sitting on my desk at this
minute. The Selectric was the standard military typewriter from the late
1960's.
What's your next stupid comment?
Is it ALSO proportional?
And is that type face in the standard encyclopedias of
typewriter typefaces?
Hint: the ones with the interchangable balls don't have
proportional.
If yours DOES, the please provide the precise model
number and year of manufacture (serial number would
be nice)
--
Herb Martin
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Joe S.
"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a12aa624.0409091557.4366af7f@posting.google.com...
CBS apparently thinks they had Microsoft Word in 1973:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526
---
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off
without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not
safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be President or
the credibility to be elected President."
- John Kerry
"Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq ... America's
sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their
country, on behalf of freedom, the war on terror."
- John Kerry
"I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat
to our country."
- John Edwards
"I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world
only at the directive of the United Nations."
- John Kerry
"I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis."
- John Kerry
John Kerry's Book: "The New Soldier"
http://johnkerrythenewsoldier.blogspot.com
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| User: "Company Man" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
09 Sep 2004 10:12:14 PM |
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Did your Selectric have 'Smart Quotes'? Didn't think so. Superscript?
Nuh-uh. How about kerning, *****? Lotsa kerning in those 'documents'. And
I wonder how long it took the author of that document to MANUALLY CENTER
PROPORTIONAL TYPE.
Face it, the blogs have ripped you guys a new one. Next canard, please.
"Joe S." <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:chr12h0g9o@news2.newsguy.com...
You assholes need to learn about the history of the typewriter --
specifically the IBM Selectric with interchangeable type balls -- one of
which was Times New Roman. In fact, I have one sitting on my desk at this
minute. The Selectric was the standard military typewriter from the late
1960's.
What's your next stupid comment?
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Joe S.
"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a12aa624.0409091557.4366af7f@posting.google.com...
CBS apparently thinks they had Microsoft Word in 1973:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526
---
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off
without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not
safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be President or
the credibility to be elected President."
- John Kerry
"Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq ... America's
sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their
country, on behalf of freedom, the war on terror."
- John Kerry
"I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat
to our country."
- John Edwards
"I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world
only at the directive of the United Nations."
- John Kerry
"I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis."
- John Kerry
John Kerry's Book: "The New Soldier"
http://johnkerrythenewsoldier.blogspot.com
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
09 Sep 2004 10:44:20 PM |
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"Company Man" <spook@covert.invalid> wrote in message
news:10k26u25d15uj25@corp.supernews.com...
Did your Selectric have 'Smart Quotes'? Didn't think so. Superscript?
Nuh-uh. How about kerning, *****? Lotsa kerning in those 'documents'.
And
I wonder how long it took the author of that document to MANUALLY CENTER
PROPORTIONAL TYPE.
Face it, the blogs have ripped you guys a new one. Next canard, please.
I agree with the other points but can you point me to which document
has the "smart quotes" -- I didn't find that feature in the ones I reviewed
(yet).
--
Herb Martin
"Joe S." <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:chr12h0g9o@news2.newsguy.com...
You assholes need to learn about the history of the typewriter --
specifically the IBM Selectric with interchangeable type balls -- one of
which was Times New Roman. In fact, I have one sitting on my desk at
this
minute. The Selectric was the standard military typewriter from the
late
1960's.
What's your next stupid comment?
--
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Joe S.
"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a12aa624.0409091557.4366af7f@posting.google.com...
CBS apparently thinks they had Microsoft Word in 1973:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526
---
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off
without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not
safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be President or
the credibility to be elected President."
- John Kerry
"Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq ... America's
sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their
country, on behalf of freedom, the war on terror."
- John Kerry
"I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat
to our country."
- John Edwards
"I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world
only at the directive of the United Nations."
- John Kerry
"I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis."
- John Kerry
John Kerry's Book: "The New Soldier"
http://johnkerrythenewsoldier.blogspot.com
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| User: "Company Man" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
10 Sep 2004 10:50:36 AM |
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MSWord uses quotes which are lefthanded at the start of a quote and
righthanded at the end of a quote. The quotes and apostrophes in the
forgeries exhibit this same asymetry.
www.powerlineblog.com has the specific examples, including one forensic
analyst's statement that they were able to create an exact match of the
questionable document using Word's _default _settings.
The presence of font kerning is the smoking gun, however. Typewriters have
no knowledge of what letter is going to be typed next, and no ability to
employ kerning even if they did. Which leads CBS backtracking on their own
investigation of the documents, from their original statement:
As is standard practice at CBS News, each of the documents broadcast on '60
Minutes' was thoroughly investigated by independent experts, and we are
convinced of their authenticity.
to their new, improved one:
CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by talking to individuals who
had seen the documents at the time they were written. These individuals were
close associates of Colonel Jerry Killian and confirm that the documents
reflect his opinions at the time the documents were written.
So what CBS is _now saying is not that the documents are authentic, but that
the opinions they express are authentic, based on the hearsay reports of
anonymous persons alleged to be close associates of Col. Killian, who recall
his views of thirty-two years ago. This is what passes for "authentication"
at the "Tiffany" network.
What, you don't accept hearsay about hearsay?
Finally, (and not font related in any way) dozens of USAF clerks and other
military people have come forward to expose an absolute lack of adherence to
military - style formatting, abbreviation, classification and records -
keeping standards. The still - visible redacted home address of GWB was four
years out of date at the time the memo was supposedly created. A reprimand
would be in the form of a letter, not a memo.
I could go on and on - the point is, according to numerous forensic experts
and military stenographers, the 'documents' are fakes, and not one single
expert has come forward supporting them. Not only are they fakes, they are
extremely amateurish ones.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
10 Sep 2004 01:02:37 PM |
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"Company Man" <spook@covert.invalid> wrote in message
news:10k3jagnr4iga81@corp.supernews.com...
MSWord uses quotes which are lefthanded at the start of a quote and
righthanded at the end of a quote. The quotes and apostrophes in the
forgeries exhibit this same asymetry.
After I asked the question, I eventually located the docs again
and found that they contain "curved apostrophes" -- I don't believe
there were any actual instances of "smart quotes" but the apostrophe
is the same character as the "close single quote."
Thanks.
--
Herb Martin
"Company Man" <spook@covert.invalid> wrote in message
news:10k3jagnr4iga81@corp.supernews.com...
MSWord uses quotes which are lefthanded at the start of a quote and
righthanded at the end of a quote. The quotes and apostrophes in the
forgeries exhibit this same asymetry.
www.powerlineblog.com has the specific examples, including one forensic
analyst's statement that they were able to create an exact match of the
questionable document using Word's _default _settings.
The presence of font kerning is the smoking gun, however. Typewriters have
no knowledge of what letter is going to be typed next, and no ability to
employ kerning even if they did. Which leads CBS backtracking on their own
investigation of the documents, from their original statement:
As is standard practice at CBS News, each of the documents broadcast on
'60
Minutes' was thoroughly investigated by independent experts, and we are
convinced of their authenticity.
to their new, improved one:
CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by talking to individuals
who
had seen the documents at the time they were written. These individuals
were
close associates of Colonel Jerry Killian and confirm that the documents
reflect his opinions at the time the documents were written.
So what CBS is _now saying is not that the documents are authentic, but
that
the opinions they express are authentic, based on the hearsay reports of
anonymous persons alleged to be close associates of Col. Killian, who
recall
his views of thirty-two years ago. This is what passes for
"authentication"
at the "Tiffany" network.
What, you don't accept hearsay about hearsay?
Finally, (and not font related in any way) dozens of USAF clerks and other
military people have come forward to expose an absolute lack of adherence
to
military - style formatting, abbreviation, classification and records -
keeping standards. The still - visible redacted home address of GWB was
four
years out of date at the time the memo was supposedly created. A reprimand
would be in the form of a letter, not a memo.
I could go on and on - the point is, according to numerous forensic
experts
and military stenographers, the 'documents' are fakes, and not one single
expert has come forward supporting them. Not only are they fakes, they are
extremely amateurish ones.
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| User: "Sir Cumference" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Caught Promoting Forged Anti-Bush Documents |
09 Sep 2004 10:48:05 PM |
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Joe S. wrote:
You assholes need to learn about the history of the typewriter --
specifically the IBM Selectric with interchangeable type balls -- one of
which was Times New Roman. In fact, I have one sitting on my desk at this
minute. The Selectric was the standard military typewriter from the late
1960's.
What's your next stupid comment?
Does it have proportional typefaces? Didn't think so.
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