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Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes — and subsequent cooling periods — that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Bartlett
Since 1993, Bartlett had been affiliated with the National Center for Policy
Analysis, a free-market think tank based in Dallas, Texas. In 2005 he was
fired by the NCPA for his outspoken criticism of President George W. Bush.
Since 1995, he has written a newspaper column for Creators Syndicate, based
in Los Angeles, and written extensively for many newspapers and magazines,
including The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Los Angeles
Times, Fortune magazine, and Commentary magazine.
In 2006, he published Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and
Betrayed the Reagan Legacy (ISBN 0-385-51827-7), which is critical of the
Bush Administration's economic policies as departing from traditional
conservative principles.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:oei783dilol0n7v2lmk9f8cv0csq1s29nv@4ax.com...
Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
so let's say it is a natural cycle? should we not try to preserve the air
quality? Perhaps you werent alive in the northeast in the '70s when
breathing was hazardous to your health, the rivers went on fire every now
and then, and the cars were all nice and speckled after an acid rainstorm.
the regulations put in place then have paid off and the environment is
improved incredibly. why would you global warming deniers at least not want
to learn from that message?
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:16:08 -0400, "The Vicar"
<whiney.baby@gmail.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:oei783dilol0n7v2lmk9f8cv0csq1s29nv@4ax.com...
Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
so let's say it is a natural cycle? should we not try to preserve the air
quality? Perhaps you werent alive in the northeast in the '70s when
breathing was hazardous to your health, the rivers went on fire every now
and then, and the cars were all nice and speckled after an acid rainstorm.
the regulations put in place then have paid off and the environment is
improved incredibly. why would you global warming deniers at least not want
to learn from that message?
Air Quality is a different issue from CAGW. I spent the 50s and 60s in
LA as a child and young adult. I know about bad air. I have no problem
with clean air. My problem are with apocalyptic claims of future
climatic states based on questionable science.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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28 Jun 2007 12:54:53 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:16:08 -0400, "The Vicar"
<whiney.baby@gmail.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:oei783dilol0n7v2lmk9f8cv0csq1s29nv@4ax.com...
Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
so let's say it is a natural cycle? should we not try to preserve the air
quality? Perhaps you werent alive in the northeast in the '70s when
breathing was hazardous to your health, the rivers went on fire every now
and then, and the cars were all nice and speckled after an acid rainstorm.
the regulations put in place then have paid off and the environment is
improved incredibly. why would you global warming deniers at least not
want
to learn from that message?
Air Quality is a different issue from CAGW. I spent the 50s and 60s in
LA as a child and young adult. I know about bad air. I have no problem
with clean air. My problem are with apocalyptic claims of future
climatic states based on questionable science.
I agree that a lot of those claims are probably a little over dramatic and
are probably based on a models that could not include all the variables that
are in play howver the solution doesnt seem like it's going to hurt anyone
and it seems like it could do a lot of good even if Climate change turns out
to be a natural cycle
the interesting thing about "Right wingers" though is that 2 years ago they
refused to believe Climate change was happening at all and now they're
signed up for climate change but not willing to admit it's
anthropogenic...maybe they should just save the next two years and get
onboard now.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
so let's say it is a natural cycle? should we not try to preserve the air
quality? Perhaps you werent alive in the northeast in the '70s when
breathing was hazardous to your health, the rivers went on fire every now
and then, and the cars were all nice and speckled after an acid
rainstorm.
the regulations put in place then have paid off and the environment is
improved incredibly. why would you global warming deniers at least not
want
to learn from that message?
Air Quality is a different issue from CAGW. I spent the 50s and 60s in
LA as a child and young adult. I know about bad air. I have no problem
with clean air. My problem are with apocalyptic claims of future
climatic states based on questionable science.
I agree that a lot of those claims are probably a little over dramatic and
are probably based on a models that could not include all the variables
that are in play howver the solution doesnt seem like it's going to hurt
anyone and it seems like it could do a lot of good even if Climate change
turns out to be a natural cycle
the interesting thing about "Right wingers" though is that 2 years ago
they refused to believe Climate change was happening at all and now
they're signed up for climate change but not willing to admit it's
anthropogenic...maybe they should just save the next two years and get
onboard now.
On the other side of the coin "right-wingers" may have stepped back, looked
at all the information, disregarded much of the misleading hype and have
come to a more logical conclusion.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here,
not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they
alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.
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Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
so let's say it is a natural cycle? should we not try to preserve the
air
quality? Perhaps you werent alive in the northeast in the '70s when
breathing was hazardous to your health, the rivers went on fire every
now
and then, and the cars were all nice and speckled after an acid
rainstorm.
the regulations put in place then have paid off and the environment is
improved incredibly. why would you global warming deniers at least not
want
to learn from that message?
Air Quality is a different issue from CAGW. I spent the 50s and 60s in
LA as a child and young adult. I know about bad air. I have no problem
with clean air. My problem are with apocalyptic claims of future
climatic states based on questionable science.
I agree that a lot of those claims are probably a little over dramatic
and are probably based on a models that could not include all the
variables that are in play howver the solution doesnt seem like it's
going to hurt anyone and it seems like it could do a lot of good even if
Climate change turns out to be a natural cycle
the interesting thing about "Right wingers" though is that 2 years ago
they refused to believe Climate change was happening at all and now
they're signed up for climate change but not willing to admit it's
anthropogenic...maybe they should just save the next two years and get
onboard now.
On the other side of the coin "right-wingers" may have stepped back,
looked at all the information, disregarded much of the misleading hype and
have come to a more logical conclusion.
no. i think they're just slow learners.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here,
not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they
alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them
suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.
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Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
so let's say it is a natural cycle? should we not try to preserve the
air
quality? Perhaps you werent alive in the northeast in the '70s when
breathing was hazardous to your health, the rivers went on fire every
now
and then, and the cars were all nice and speckled after an acid
rainstorm.
the regulations put in place then have paid off and the environment is
improved incredibly. why would you global warming deniers at least not
want
to learn from that message?
Air Quality is a different issue from CAGW. I spent the 50s and 60s in
LA as a child and young adult. I know about bad air. I have no problem
with clean air. My problem are with apocalyptic claims of future
climatic states based on questionable science.
I agree that a lot of those claims are probably a little over dramatic
and are probably based on a models that could not include all the
variables that are in play howver the solution doesnt seem like it's
going to hurt anyone and it seems like it could do a lot of good even if
Climate change turns out to be a natural cycle
the interesting thing about "Right wingers" though is that 2 years ago
they refused to believe Climate change was happening at all and now
they're signed up for climate change but not willing to admit it's
anthropogenic...maybe they should just save the next two years and get
onboard now.
On the other side of the coin "right-wingers" may have stepped back,
looked at all the information, disregarded much of the misleading hype
and have come to a more logical conclusion.
no. i think they're just slow learners.
Nah... you are. I see your kj reflexes are in place, though, so perhaps
you're neurologically intact and capable of learning yourself.
The kind of modeling done to describe climate is very new. We've only begun
to even have the kind of computing power to begin... to begin... to try to
do it. You've been sucked in by a political movement with an agenda, and
some scientists willing to go along, nevermind chaos.
The Earth's history is replete with cycles of warming and cooling. This is
"hard" science, not based on computer modeling. According to the record,
we're coming off a relative ice age. And the Earth is getting warmer.
Now try and get this in your head: "The Earth is usually warmer than it is
now, given the history of life on Earth."
Next, try this one: "Mass extinctions of life on Earth are highly corellated
with ice ages." In fact the worst condition for life imaginable is "snowball
Earth," were life on Earth will depend on deep sea vents.
I'm hoping we'll get a modeler now to chime in on how the latest model shows
global warming will lead to exactly that.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals,
often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the
Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was
marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and
more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore
grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began
around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in
the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned,
which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that
appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long
before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming
trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here,
not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they
alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them
suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here,
not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they
alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:54:53 -0400, "The Vicar"
<whiney.baby@gmail.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:16:08 -0400, "The Vicar"
<whiney.baby@gmail.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
so let's say it is a natural cycle? should we not try to preserve the air
quality? Perhaps you werent alive in the northeast in the '70s when
breathing was hazardous to your health, the rivers went on fire every now
and then, and the cars were all nice and speckled after an acid rainstorm.
the regulations put in place then have paid off and the environment is
improved incredibly. why would you global warming deniers at least not
want
to learn from that message?
Air Quality is a different issue from CAGW. I spent the 50s and 60s in
LA as a child and young adult. I know about bad air. I have no problem
with clean air. My problem are with apocalyptic claims of future
climatic states based on questionable science.
I agree that a lot of those claims are probably a little over dramatic and
are probably based on a models that could not include all the variables that
are in play howver the solution doesnt seem like it's going to hurt anyone
and it seems like it could do a lot of good even if Climate change turns out
to be a natural cycle
the interesting thing about "Right wingers" though is that 2 years ago they
refused to believe Climate change was happening at all and now they're
signed up for climate change but not willing to admit it's
anthropogenic...maybe they should just save the next two years and get
onboard now.
If by "Right Wingers" you mean those that believe God controls the
thermostat then I would agree. Any rational person who has got through
high school general science with a grade higher than a D has to know
that the climate of the earth has not been constant over the last
millions of years.
It has been projected that human CO2 emissions will raise global
temperatures by 5C. by the year 2100. Get back to me in 93 years and
I'll let you know how accurate that prediction is.
"Penetrating so many secrets, we cease to believe in the unknowable.
But there it sits nevertheless, calmly licking its chops." -- H. L.
Mencken
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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Interesting.
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:oei783dilol0n7v2lmk9f8cv0csq1s29nv@4ax.com...
Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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28 Jun 2007 11:01:58 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:14:49 GMT, "The Cunning Linguist"
<thinhthi@pacbell.net> wrote:
Interesting.
This stuff has been known for a long time.
"You must know that the world has grown old, and does not remain in
it's former vigor. It bears witness to it's own decline. The rainfall
and the sun's warmth are both diminishing; the metals are nearly
exausted; the husbandman is failing in the fields. -- Cyprian 250 A.D.
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:oei783dilol0n7v2lmk9f8cv0csq1s29nv@4ax.com...
Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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29 Jun 2007 01:47:29 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:14:49 GMT, "The Cunning Linguist"
<thinhthi@pacbell.net> wrote:
Interesting.
This stuff has been known for a long time.
"You must know that the world has grown old, and does not remain in
it's former vigor. It bears witness to it's own decline. The rainfall
and the sun's warmth are both diminishing; the metals are nearly
exausted; the husbandman is failing in the fields. -- Cyprian 250 A.D.
This guy was an idiot.
You're stupider for quoting him as if he was right.
Unless you think we have less metal now than 2250 years ago.
Pinhead.
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:oei783dilol0n7v2lmk9f8cv0csq1s29nv@4ax.com...
Article published Jun 27, 2007
Climate history
June 27, 2007
Bruce Bartlett
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/COMMENTARY/106270004/1012&template=printart
Many people worry about global warming today. They fear the polar ice
caps will melt, raising sea levels and creating environmental chaos.
Such concerns are not new. The historical record tells us of many
warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have
bedeviled humans for thousands of years.
The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote
about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue,
"Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often
leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth
with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds
who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are
carried by the rivers into the sea."
In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related
geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed
away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body
wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with
rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with
trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on,
creating deserts where the land was once productive.
Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also
recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He
noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy
and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But
now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae
has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was
formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He
observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and
nations.
Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed
climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He
observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more
snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain
and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate
changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis
plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had
plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.
In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an
agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed
global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture
into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named
Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions
which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could
not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now
that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more
clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in
greatest abundance."
In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and
climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to
blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around
900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during
the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland
where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse
records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when
falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the
sea made transportation more difficult.
The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were
too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and
numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which
lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again
started to fall.
By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was
altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow,
fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many
places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to
freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the
19th century. Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears
to have accelerated around 1950.
The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the
historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of
core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before
industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any
way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through
carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends
are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before
another cooling trend comes along.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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