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User:	"Clinton the Patriot"
Date:	27 Sep 2006 10:39:47 AM
Object:	Clinton to Rescue America

Clinton vs. Wallace: seizing security for Democrats
By Kenneth T. Walsh
Democratic strategists are drawing a clear political lesson from former
President Clinton's testy faceoff with Fox News commentator Chris Wallace
over the weekend: Don't back down on national security.
"We've been too timid on this issue in the past," a senior Democratic
strategist told U.S. News. "We can't back down. ... This is no longer a good
issue for the Republicans."
Clinton showed that the best way to deal with GOP claims that the Democrats
are weak on national security is to "push back with the facts," the senior
party strategist said. This is the message Democratic National Chairman
Howard Dean has been spreading within the party since the Clinton-Wallace
confrontation, and Clinton's angry defense of his record on fighting
terrorism in which he attacked unnamed conservatives who, he said, are still
trying to damage his reputation.
Some Democrats saw something else at work: Clinton, they said, was offering
a roadmap to show his party's candidates how to deal with Republican attacks
on their national-security credentials-go on the offensive when you feel
wronged. This is the pattern that enabled Clinton to win two terms in the
White House and to ward off those who wanted to remove him from office
during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060926/26clinton.htm
The best defense of America would be for Congress to start drafting
republicans and shipping their worthless asses to their favorite country,
Iraq.
.

User: "Dr. Tom Snyder"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 11:15:30 AM

Clinton lied and people died.
Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.
The Democrats have nothing. Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin Laden,
and they know it, but the mainscream media won't tell the truth about it.
Not even Fox News.
"Clinton the Patriot" <Edwards@bush.net> wrote in message
news:7XwSg.5977$e66.5761@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

good

issue for the Republicans."

Clinton showed that the best way to deal with GOP claims that the

Democrats

are weak on national security is to "push back with the facts," the senior
party strategist said. This is the message Democratic National Chairman
Howard Dean has been spreading within the party since the Clinton-Wallace
confrontation, and Clinton's angry defense of his record on fighting
terrorism in which he attacked unnamed conservatives who, he said, are

still

trying to damage his reputation.

Some Democrats saw something else at work: Clinton, they said, was

offering

a roadmap to show his party's candidates how to deal with Republican

attacks

on their national-security credentials-go on the offensive when you feel
wronged. This is the pattern that enabled Clinton to win two terms in the
White House and to ward off those who wanted to remove him from office
during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060926/26clinton.htm

The best defense of America would be for Congress to start drafting
republicans and shipping their worthless asses to their favorite country,
Iraq.

User: "Clinton the Patriot"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 11:13:50 AM

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Died? HAHA. From what, bad publicity?
.

User: "Clinton the Patriot"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 11:15:32 AM

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:qrSdnVtotM_HP4fYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Clinton lied and people died.

Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.

Slaughter in Baghdad
Sep 21st 2006 | DUBAI
From The Economist print edition
A prime minister dependent on Shia radicals hesitates to control them
AMERICA'S military spokesman in Iraq claimed last month that new military
deployments in Baghdad over the summer had succeeded in cutting the
capital's grisly murder rate nearly in half. Ever since, as if to rebuke
this claim, bodies have been turning up, by the roadside or near the Tigris
river, at a rate that is high even by Iraqi standards, with 165 discovered
in one four-day period last week.
AFPHorrors in the morgue
The dead are presumed to be the victims of sectarian death squads, most of
which are linked to Shia militia groups, such as the Mahdi Army, but some to
the Sunni insurgents. The victims are abducted from their homes or snatched
at improvised checkpoints and frequently tortured (electric drills are
supposed to be a trademark of the Shia groups). Sometimes a ransom is
demanded but more often these days the kidnapped are murdered, either as
part of a tit-for-tat cycle of vengeance or to drive away members of the
other sect from contested areas.
At recent press conferences, the Americans have stuck to their story: that
they have witnessed a marked downturn in killings in the districts of
Baghdad where their efforts have been concentrated, such as the Dura in the
south or Ameriya in the west. They have declined to provide specific figures
to bolster their claims, nor can they explain how their estimates can be
reconciled with the numbers coming from Iraq's health ministry, which
claimed that 1,500 such bodies went through the Baghdad morgue in August,
virtually the same number as in July.
It could be that the Iraqi figures are inaccurate: the health ministry is
run by politicians associated with the Mahdi Army, and may believe that
inflating the figures is a way to get the Americans out of the country. It
could also be that the death squads are lying low where the Americans are
operating, but stepping up their operations in other areas. It could also be
that no one knows how many people are being killed.
In any case, the continuing slaughter coincides with a growing sense among
Americans and others in Baghdad that Nuri al-Maliki's government lacks the
political will to take the steps to stop it. Mr Maliki took office in May
with the understanding that he would take action against the Shia militias,
believed to be responsible for most of the killings in Baghdad.
It was assumed that he would oust their sympathisers from the police force,
as well as sending troops to strike at military commanders and their
retinues directly implicated in the killings. Mr Maliki's interior minister,
Jawad al-Bolani, is said to have sacked or transferred a number of officers
but lacks the political clout for a full-scale cleansing of the police. And
though there have been some raids on strongholds of the Mahdi Army, where
arms or hostages are believed to be held, other possible targets are
protected, including most mosques as well as the health ministry, which is
said by some to serve as a giant militia base. Most of the Mahdi Army's main
support base in the vast slum of Sadr City is off-limits for raids.
Political cowardice or political calculation? Presumably, Mr Maliki does not
want to push the Mahdi Army's young leader, Muqtada al-Sadr, into a corner.
Mr Sadr's followers make up the larger portion of Mr Maliki's Shia-dominated
parliamentary block, and are far stronger than the prime minister's own Dawa
party. They are also fully capable of staging an insurrection that would
make Iraq ungovernable. As things are, Mr Sadr, who has always publicly
espoused Sunni-Shia unity and who struggles to maintain control of his
loose-limbed movement, may be willing to turn a blind eye to renegade Mahdi
Army leaders being picked off.
At the United Nations this week, George Bush declared that "the United
States of America stands with [Iraq], so long as the government continues to
make the tough choices necessary for peace to prevail." He did not say what
the Americans would do if Mr Maliki's government refused to make those tough
choices.
.

User: "ouroboros rex"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 11:39:10 AM

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Clinton lied and people died.

Simply a lie.

Clinton continues to lie,

Simply a lie.

and more people will die.

lol

The Democrats have nothing.

Simply a lie.
Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin Laden,
Simply a lie.

and they know it,

Simply a lie.
but the mainscream media won't tell the truth about it.
Simply a lie.

Not even Fox News.

roflmao

"Clinton the Patriot" <Edwards@bush.net> wrote in message
news:7XwSg.5977$e66.5761@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

good

issue for the Republicans."

Clinton showed that the best way to deal with GOP claims that the

Democrats

are weak on national security is to "push back with the facts," the
senior
party strategist said. This is the message Democratic National Chairman
Howard Dean has been spreading within the party since the Clinton-Wallace
confrontation, and Clinton's angry defense of his record on fighting
terrorism in which he attacked unnamed conservatives who, he said, are

still

trying to damage his reputation.

Some Democrats saw something else at work: Clinton, they said, was

offering

a roadmap to show his party's candidates how to deal with Republican

attacks

User: "Rich Travsky"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	28 Sep 2006 04:19:18 PM

"Dr. Tom Snyder" wrote:

Not keeping up, eh?
http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/9/27/84111/0004
09/27/2006
Cornered. CIA speaks [Dec. 2001]
2 CIA officials tell us Washington -- twice -- declined to send the
reinforcements they asked for when bin Laden was cornered in
Afghanistan in 2001.
...

"Clinton the Patriot" <Edwards@bush.net> wrote in message
news:7XwSg.5977$e66.5761@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

good

issue for the Republicans."

Clinton showed that the best way to deal with GOP claims that the

Democrats

still

trying to damage his reputation.

Some Democrats saw something else at work: Clinton, they said, was

offering

a roadmap to show his party's candidates how to deal with Republican

attacks

User: "Frank Pittel"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 12:17:53 PM

In alt.politics.usa.republican Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote:
: Clinton lied and people died.
: Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.
: The Democrats have nothing. Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin Laden,
: and they know it, but the mainscream media won't tell the truth about it.
: Not even Fox News.
To be fair slick willie did bomb an asprin factory and a bunch of empty tents
in the middle of a desert.
: "Clinton the Patriot" <Edwards@bush.net> wrote in message
: news:7XwSg.5977$e66.5761@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
: > Clinton vs. Wallace: seizing security for Democrats
: > By Kenneth T. Walsh
: >
: > Democratic strategists are drawing a clear political lesson from former
: > President Clinton's testy faceoff with Fox News commentator Chris Wallace
: > over the weekend: Don't back down on national security.
: > "We've been too timid on this issue in the past," a senior Democratic
: > strategist told U.S. News. "We can't back down. ... This is no longer a
: good
: > issue for the Republicans."
: >
: > Clinton showed that the best way to deal with GOP claims that the
: Democrats
: > are weak on national security is to "push back with the facts," the senior
: > party strategist said. This is the message Democratic National Chairman
: > Howard Dean has been spreading within the party since the Clinton-Wallace
: > confrontation, and Clinton's angry defense of his record on fighting
: > terrorism in which he attacked unnamed conservatives who, he said, are
: still
: > trying to damage his reputation.
: >
: > Some Democrats saw something else at work: Clinton, they said, was
: offering
: > a roadmap to show his party's candidates how to deal with Republican
: attacks
: > on their national-security credentials-go on the offensive when you feel
: > wronged. This is the pattern that enabled Clinton to win two terms in the
: > White House and to ward off those who wanted to remove him from office
: > during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
: >
: > http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060926/26clinton.htm
: >
: > The best defense of America would be for Congress to start drafting
: > republicans and shipping their worthless asses to their favorite country,
: > Iraq.
: >
: >
--
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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User: "Joseph Welch"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 04:09:57 PM

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
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To be fair slick willie did bomb an asprin factory and a bunch of empty
tents
in the middle of a desert.

The Clinton administration
a.. sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember,
this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because
of opposition from the airlines.
a.. sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST
FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition
from banking interests.
a.. sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for
BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the
Republicans because of opposition from the NRA. When Republicans couldn't
prevent executive action, President Clinton:
a.. Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first
national coordinator.
a.. Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners
simultaneously.
a.. Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
a.. Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
a.. Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in
Washington.
a.. Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
a.. Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels
in NY.
a.. Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
a.. Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
a.. Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive
strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
a.. Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA
killings to justice.
a.. Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing
even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked
hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist
attacks.
a.. Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist
threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
a.. Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall
funding for counterterrorism.
a.. Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries
a.. Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million
doses of smallpox vaccine.
a.. Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts
"Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have
is the obsession with Osama"
a.. Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert
Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused
on bin Laden. "
a.. Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure
available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism
than any president before him" and was the "first administration to
undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."
On February 10, 1995, a counterterrorism bill drafted by the Clinton
Administration (Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995) was introduced in the
Senate as S. 390 and in the House of Representatives as H.R. 896.
1.Authorized the Justice Department to choose crimes to investigate and
prosecute based on political beliefs and associations;
2.Repeal the ancient provision barring the U.S. military from civilian law
enforcement.
3.Expand a pre-trial detention.
4.Loosen the rules governing federal wiretaps.
5.Establish courts that would use secret evidence to order the deportation
of persons convicted of crimes.
6.Permit permanent detention by the Attorney General of aliens convicted or
suspected of crimes pending court.
7.Give the President unreviewable power to criminalize fund-raising for
unlawful activities associated terrorist causes.
8.Renege on the Administration's approval in the last Congress of a
provision to insure the FBI will investigate terrorist activities.
9.Resurrect the discredited ideological visa denial provisions of the
McCarran Walter Act.
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The Clinton administration fired 79 cruise missiles at bin Laden's camps in
Afghanistan and at a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan in August 1998, less than
two weeks after terrorist bombs killed more than 200 people at the U.S.
embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The 79 missiles fired at the Zhawar Kili
complex in Khost, Afghanistan--a base camp, a support camp and four nearby
training camps--killed participants in what U.S. officials described as a
meeting to plot further terrorist attacks.
But bin Laden survived the attack, and experts have questioned the use of
expensive cruise missiles against "mud huts."
Still, the senior Clinton administration official contended that the 1998
missile strikes were highly effective. "You can't always judge by the number
of buildings destroyed what the impact of an operation is," the official
said.
2000 The Washington Post
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CIA-run agents who had infiltrated terrorist groups in recent years aided in
intelligence gathering that helped prevent two attacks in the past seven
months against U.S. embassies abroad, new CIA Director George J. Tenet told
Congress earlier this year. Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.), the first chairman
of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence to have served as a
CIA case officer, said such operations, particularly in the area of
counterterrorism, represented a new type of clandestine activity. "There are
a large number of hidden activities going on to meet transnational threats,"
he said, "but I'm reluctant to call them covert action." Copyright 1997 The
Washington Post Company
Walter Pincus Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, September 14, 1997; Page
A06 The Washington Post
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Thirteen Saudis and a Lebanese were indicted Thursday on
charges of murder and conspiracy for the 1996 bombing that killed 19
American servicemen in Saudi Arabia. The indictment alleges that the
suspects were directed by Iranian government officials.
The 46-count indictment alleges that all 14 men were members of the Islamic
militant group Hezbollah, which federal officials said received support and
inspiration from individuals within the Iranian government.
http://www6.cnn.com/2001/LAW/06/21/khobar.indictments/
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Former CIA officer Douglas Groat was arrested Friday on charges of passing
classified information to two foreign nation and attempting to extort money
from the CIA in return for not selling more secrets.
Eyad Ismoil was sentenced to 240 years in prison and ordered to pay $10
million in fines Friday for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade
Center.
INTELLIGENT NETWORK CONCEPTS, INC. April 6, 1998
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Embassy bomb plot foiled in Uganda 1999
KAMPALA, Uganda - Ugandan authorities are holding 20 people in connection
with a plot to blow up the U.S. Embassy in Kampala, and the FBI was invited
into the East African nation to help with the investigation, a government
minister said Thursday.
Regional cooperation minister Amama Mbabazi told a parliamentary session
that the FBI agents were invited to Uganda following the Aug. 7 bombings of
the U.S. diplomatic missions in neighboring Kenya and Tanzania in which 259
people, including 12 Americans, died.
"It is true that the Ugandan government through security services asked for
and obtained services of the FBI for expertise on bomb attacks which are
beyond our capacity to handle," Mbabazi said.
Over the weekend, security officials said 18 people had been arrested in
connection with plans to hit American and Ugandan targets in the country. It
was not clear when the other two people were detained.
More than a dozen FBI agents worked with the Ugandan Anti-Terrorism Squad to
uncover the recent plot, seizing documents from the homes and businesses of
the suspects.
The CIA warned border authorities to be on the lookout for the two
ringleaders, who they said planned to direct the operation using local
militants. Law enforcement sources told the Post that U.S. prosecutors are
considering charges against them.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/bomb141.htm
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Bin Laden targeted U.S. embassy in India
NEW DELHI, India (AP) - Indian police say suspected terrorist Osama bin
Laden was behind a plot to bomb the U.S. Embassy and two American consular
offices in the country, local newspapers reported Wednesday.
The State Department expressed grave concern Wednesday over the reported
threat, and an embassy spokeswoman said U.S. counterterrorism experts were
in the Indian capital assessing the alleged plot.
Local newspaper reports said police had arrested four people, including a
Bangladeshi man suspected of working for Pakistan's intelligence agency.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/bomb170.htm
Four bin Laden followers indicted 1999
NEW YORK - Four followers of Islamic extremist Osama bin Laden plotted a
far-reaching terrorist campaign to kill Americans, including the bombings of
U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, a sweeping federal indictment alleges.
The indictment, handed up Wednesday, marks the first time that authorities
have linked the suspects to a single international plan to kill Americans.
And unlike earlier indictments against the suspects, this one charges three
of them with more than 200 counts of murder - one for "each and every victim
of the embassy bombings," U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White said in a statement.
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Bin Laden allegedly tried to kill Clinton 1999
NEW YORK - Saudi millionaire Osama bin Laden, the alleged plotter of the U.S
embassy bombings in Africa, directed his followers at least twice to kill
President Clinton, but neither attempt was ever made, according to published
reports Tuesday.
The first assassination attempt was to take place when Clinton visited the
Philippines to begin a trip to Asia on Nov. 12, 1994, but it was abandoned
because of heavy security, Newsday reported Tuesday, citing counterterrorism
and intelligence sources.
A second attempt was planned for Pakistan in February, when Clinton had
scheduled - but later canceled - a visit.
Yousef admitted his plan to kill Clinton to FBI agents who were escorting
him from Pakistan to New York in 1995 for his trial in the bombing, the
sources said. But he did not identify bin Laden as the mastermind, the
sources said.
A federal grand jury in Manhattan recently heard details of the aborted
assassination plot, the sources said.
Lets forget for the moment that Reagan & Bush bankrolled bin Laden & the Al
Qaeda network and ignored warnings, taking a camel jockey & backwards flea
infested tent dwellers and turning them into a Terrorist organization. Just
set that aside for now.
Horrorwitz alleges "Americans were increasenly vulnerable to attacks and did
nothing." That is a lie, Republicans know it is, Horrorwitz knows it is. So
tell us why you deliberately perpetrate a lie?? Is it your own guilt for
supporting an UnAmerican Dictator and Vietnam War Deserter? Curious what is
going through your mind. HERE IS NOTHING AND IT MAKES HORRORWITZ A LIAR!!
Terrorism Legislation and Executive Orders:
Preparedness Against Terrorism Act of 2000 (Introduced in the House)
Justice for Victims of Terrorism Act (Introduced in the Senate)
Effective Counterrorism Act of 1996
Comprehensive Antiterrorism Act of 1995
Comprehensive Antiterrorism Act of 1995
Counter Terrorism Technology Research Act of 1995
Antiterrorism Amendments Act of 1995
Effective Death Penalty and Antiterrorism Act of 1995
Senate Omnibus Counter Terrorism Act of 1995
House Omnibus Counter Terrorism Act of 1995
Executive Order Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists
Senator Feinstein's Amendment to Prohibit the Distribution of Bomb Making
Information on the Internet
Executive Order Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists
Highlights of President Clinton's Anti-Terrorism Legislation
Hearings on Wiretapping and other Terrorism Proposals
Terrorism Facts:
CRS Report for Congress -- Terrorism: Near Eastern Groups and State
Sponsors, 2001 -- September 10, 2001
CRS Report for Congress -- Terrorism: Automated Lookout Systems and Border
Security Options and Issues -- June 18, 2001
GAO Report Combating Terrorism: Threat and Risk Assessments Can Help
Prioritize and Target Program Investments (April 1998)
1995 Patterns of Global Terrorism
The Clinton Administration's Position on Terrorism
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OK Republicans, NOW THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT HORRORWITZ IS A LIAR &
NEWSMAX SPREADS LIES, how does it make you feel to perpetrate a lie?? We are
talking about your character here.
First the Horrorwitz lie. He claims "Clinton's own secretary of defense,
William Cohen, in a July 1999 op-ed piece in the Washington Post, predicted
a terrorist attack on America's mainland." That statement is a LIE. Cohen
didn't "predict" squat. He uses the word "COULD" twice in the Washinton Post
article, not "WILL," as in will happen.
"In an editorial published in Monday's Washington Post, US Defense Secretary
William Cohen argued that a biological warfare attack on the US could could
cause "a plague more monstrous than anything we have experienced." Cohen
warned that a surprise attack could infect "unsuspecting thousands" and turn
hospitals into "warehouses for the dead and dying."
And here is what Clinton did, for the benefit of the Horrorwitz LIAR & his
minion Republican followers who spread his LIES.
1.CIA-run agents who had infiltrated terrorist groups in recent years aided
in intelligence gathering that helped prevent two attacks in the past seven
months against U.S. embassies abroad, new CIA Director George J. Tenet told
Congress earlier this year. Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.), the first chairman
of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence to have served as a
CIA case officer, said such operations, particularly in the area of
counterterrorism, represented a new type of clandestine activity. "There are
a large number of hidden activities going on to meet transnational threats,"
he said, "but I'm reluctant to call them covert action."
Copyright 1997 The Washington Post Company
2."Although the US military is barred from domestic law enforcement, the
Pentagon is assembling 14 specially trained National Guard and Army Reserve
units to assist police and fire departments in coping with a possible NBC
terrorist attack."
3."The Pentagon is said to be considering a temporary suspension of public
tours because of heightened concerns of a possible terrorist attack by the
followers of master terrorist Usama bin Laden."
(http://www.emergency.com/1999/0799thrt.htm Excerpted from: ERRI DAILY
INTELLIGENCE REPORT-ERRI Risk Assessment Services-Thursday, July 29,
1999-Vol. 5 - 210-09:0CDT)
4."Senator Lugar, who is an expert in national security issues, said, "Our
goal is to allow the Department of Defense and other federal agencies to
transfer their knowledge of chemical, biological and nuclear warfare to
civilian forces." (http://www.emergency.com/chgoprep.htm)
Horrorwitz claims the CIA could not get a meeting with Clinton after 1993.
That is also a Big Lie.
The fact is, the CIA didn't attend the meetings.
DoD News Briefing Tuesday, November 10, 1998 - 1:45 p.m.
"Q: The President had meetings with some Pentagon officials today, evidently
in response to his request for more information. Was that meeting sufficient
for a response to what the President needed, or was there an additional
request for additional information?
A: He didn't meet exclusively with military advisors. Secretary Albright was
there and National Security Advisor Burger was also there. Secretary Cohen
and General Shelton were there. It was a private meeting, and I think I
should let the outcome of the meeting remain private."
(http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Nov1998/t11101998_t1110asd.html)
The BIG LIE by Horrorwitz is that The national Commission On Terrorism in
2000 was somehow a Liberal effort to stop terrorist legislation, when in
fact it was Trent Lott & Hatch that were openly opposed to the legislation
and gutted the bill of enforcement issues.
===================== TRENT LOTT - HATCH =====================
President wants Senate to hurry with new anti-terrorism laws July 30, 1996
Web posted at: 8:40 p.m. EDT
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton urged Congress Tuesday to act swiftly
in developing anti-terrorism legislation before its August recess.
"We need to keep this country together right now. We need to focus on this
terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference.
But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers
hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures.
Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, doubted that the Senate
would rush to action before they recess this weekend. The Senate needs to
study all the options, he said, and trying to get it done in the next three
days would be tough.
One key GOP senator was more critical, calling a proposed study of chemical
markers in explosives "a phony issue."
Taggants value disputed
Clinton said he knew there was Republican opposition to his proposal on
explosive taggants, but it should not be allowed to block the provisions on
which both parties agree.
"What I urge them to do is to be explicit about their disagreement, but
don't let it overcome the areas of agreement," he said.
The president emphasized coming to terms on specific areas of disagreement
would help move the legislation along. The president stressed it's important
to get the legislation out before the weekend's recess, especially following
the bombing of Centennial Olympic Park and the crash of TWA Flight 800.
"The most important thing right now is that they get the best, strongest
bill they can out -- that they give us as much help as they can," he said.
Hatch blasts 'phony' issues
Republican leaders earlier met with White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta
for about an hour in response to the president's call for "the very best
ideas" for fighting terrorism.
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee,
emerged from the meeting and said, "These are very controversial provisions
that the White House wants. Some they're not going to get."
Hatch called Clinton's proposed study of taggants -- chemical markers in
explosives that could help track terrorists -- "a phony issue."
"If they want to, they can study the thing" already, Hatch asserted. He also
said he had some problems with the president's proposals to expand
wiretapping.
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said it is a mistake if
Congress leaves town without addressing anti-terrorism legislation. Daschle
is expected to hold a special meeting on the matter Wednesday with
Congressional leaders.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Congress passes anti-terrorism bill April 18, 1996 Web posted at: 6:30 p.m.
EDT
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congress on Thursday passed a compromise bill boosting
the ability of law enforcement authorities to fight domestic terrorism, just
one day before the first anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.
The House voted, 293-133, to send the anti-terrorism bill to President
Clinton, who has indicated that he will sign it after he returns from his
overseas trip next week.
The measure, which the Senate passed overwhelmingly Wednesday evening, is a
watered-down version of the White House's proposal. The Clinton
administration has been critical of the bill, calling it too weak.
The original House bill, passed last month, had deleted many of the Senate's
anti-terrorism provisions because of lawmakers' concerns about increasing
federal law enforcement powers. Some of those provisions were restored in
the compromise bill.
The bill imposes limits on federal appeals by death row inmates and other
prisoners and makes the death penalty available in some international
terrorism cases and in cases where a federal employee is killed on duty.
The bill "has some very effective tools that we can use in our efforts to
combat terrorism," Attorney General Janet Reno said Thursday.
But she was less enthusiastic about the bill's limits on federal appeals by
death row inmates and other prisoners. She was also concerned that the bill
would make it more difficult for federal judges to overturn state court
rulings.
Republicans were divided on whether the legislation would be effective.
"We have a measure that will give us a strong upper hand in the battle to
prevent and punish domestic and international terrorism," Senate Majority
Leader and presumptive GOP presidential nominee Bob Dole said Wednesday.
But Sen. Don Nickles, R-Oklahoma, while praising the bill, said the country
remains "very open" to terrorism. "Will it stop any acts of terrorism,
domestic and international? No," he said, adding, "We don't want a police
state."
Some lawmakers took a more prudent view of the bill. "The balance between
public safety and order and individual rights is always a difficult dilemma
in a free society," said Rep. Gerald Solomon, R-New York.
Congressional leaders had initially promised to complete the bill six weeks
after the Oklahoma City federal building bombing that killed 168 people last
April 19.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/18/anti.terror.bill/index.html
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Espionage Legislation:
Intelligence Authorization Act of 1996 - House Version
Economic Espionage and Protection of Proprietary Economic Information Act of
1995 (Introduced in the Senate)
Industrial Espionage Act of 1996 (Introduced in the Senate)
Economic Security Act of 1996 (Introduced in the Senate)
Economic and Industrial Espionage:
Economic Espionage: Information on Threat from U.S. Allies
Economic Espionage and Protection of Proprietary Economic Information Act of
1995 Industrial Espionage Act of 1996
Economic Security Act of 1996
Japanese Commercial Intelligence Gathering
Sources of Public Information on Privately Held Companies
Uniform Trade Secrets Act
1998 Annual Report to Congress on Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial
Espionage
1997 Annual Report to Congress on Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial
Espionage
1996 Annual Report to Congress on Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial
Espionage
1995 Annual Report to Congress on Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial
Espionage
Terrorism Legislation:
Effective Counterrorism Act of 1996 (Introduced in the House)
Nuclear Terrorism Jurisdiction and Control Act (Introduced in the House)
Comprehensive Antiterrorism Act of 1995 (Introduced in the House)
Comprehensive Antiterrorism Act of 1995 (Introduced in the Senate)
Counter Terrorism Technology Research Act of 1995 (Introduced in the House)
Antiterrorism Amendments Act of 1995 (Introduced in the House)
Effective Death Penalty and Antiterrorism Act of 1995 (Introduced in the
House)
National Security Legislation:
National Security and Classified Information Protection Act of 1995
(Introduced in the House)
Amendment to the National Security Act of 1947 to Establish a Director and
Deputy Director of the National Security Council (Introduced in the House)
Law Enforcement Legislation:
Prison Security Act of 1995 (Introduced in the House)
Law Enforcement and Industrial Security Cooperation Act of 1996 (Introduced
in the House) Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act of 1995 (Introduced in
the Senate)
Victim's Rights and Domestice Violence Prevention Act of 1995 (Introduced in
the Senate)
Enhancement of Border Security in Southern California (Introduced in the
House)
Crime Prevention Act of 1995 (Introduced in the Senate)
Background Security Records Act of 1997 (Introduced in the House)
The United States Code
Information Protection Legislation:
H.R.3332 -- Next Generation Internet Research Act of 1998 (ntroduced in the
House)
A Bill to Protect the National Information Infrastructure, and for Other
Purposes (S.982)
Government Information Security Act of 1999 (Reported in the Senate)
Cyber Security Information Act (Introduced in the House)
Computer Security Enhancement Act of 1997 (Passed by the House)
Encryption Legislation:
S.2067 -- Encryptian Protects the Rights of Individuals from Violation and
Abuse in Cyberspace (E-Privacy) Act. (Introduced in the Senate)
Encrypted Communications Privacy Act of 1996 (Introduced in the Senate)
Security and Freedom Through Encryption Act (Introduced in the House)
Promotion of Commerce On-Line in the Digital Era Act of 1996 (Introduced in
the Senate)
Miscellaneous Security Legislation:
The Mom and Pop Store Protection Act of 1995 (Introduced in the House)
Private Security Officer's Quality Assurance Act of 1995 (Introduced in the
House)
Private Security Officer Quality Assurance Act of 1997 (House Bill Referred
to a Senate Committee)
Anti-Counterfeiting Consumer Protection Act of 1995 (Passed in the Senate)
Neighborhood Security Act (Introduced in the Senate)
Aviation Safety Protection Act of 1996 (Introduced in the House)
Private Security Officer Quality Assurance Act of 1999 (Introduced in the
House)
Safe School Security Act of 1999 (Reported in the Senate) S638.pdf
Privacy Protection Act of 1997 (Introduced in the House) HR 3261.pdf
The Aldrich Ames Espionage Case:
The Ames Espionage Case an NSI Special Report
The CIA Inspector General's Report on the Aldrich Ames Spy Case
1995 CIA Inspector Geneneral Statement before the Senate Intelligence
Committee on the Ames Affair
DCI Deutch Statement on the Ames Damage Assessment Oct. 95
DCI Deutch Statement befor the Senate Intelligence Committee on the Ames
Damage Assessment Dec. 95
(National Security Institute's - Security Resource Net -
http://nsi.org/Default2.html)
*****************************
EARLY 2001 - WHITE HOUSE DEPARTS FROM EFFORTS TO TRACK TERRORIST
MONEY: The new Bush Treasury Department "disapproved of the Clinton
Administration's approach to money laundering issues, which had been an
important part of the drive to cut off the money flow to bin Laden."
Specifically, the Bush Administration opposed Clinton
Administration-backed efforts by the G-7 and the Organization for
Economic Cooperation and Development that targeted countries with
"loose banking regulations" being abused by terrorist financiers.
Meanwhile, the Bush Administration provided "no funding for the new
National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center." [Source: The Age of Sacred
Terror, 2003]
APRIL 30, 2001 - BUSH ADMINISTRATION SAYS BIN LADEN FOCUS WAS
"MISTAKE": The Bush Administration released the government's annual
report on terrorism, but unlike previous Administrations, it decided to
specifically omit an "extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind
Osama bin Laden. A senior State Department official told CNN the U.S.
government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden."
Similarly, AP reported in 2002 that the Bush Administration's "national
security leadership met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior
to the Sept. 11 attacks yet terrorism was the topic during only two of
those sessions." [Source: CNN, 4/30/01; AP, 6/29/01]
The federal government was rapidly increasing its counter-terrorism
efforts at the time President Bush took office. As the New York Times
reported, Attorney General Janet Reno ended her tenure as "perhaps the
strongest advocate" of counterterrorism spending. Similarly, Newsweek
and the Washington Post reported National Security Adviser Sandy Berger
was "totally preoccupied" with the prospect of a domestic terror
attack, telling his replacement that they need to be "spending more
time on this issue" than on any other. The focus changed dramatically
when the Bush Administration took office.
ADMINISTRATION SHIFTED LAW ENFORCEMENT'S FOCUS OFF OF
COUNTER-TERRORISM: The New York Times reported that in the lead-up to
9/11, Attorney General John Ashcroft "said fighting terrorism was a top
priority of his agency," yet upon entering office, "he identified more
than a dozen other objectives for greater emphasis within the Justice
Department before the attacks." On Aug. 9, the Administration
distributed a strategic plan to the Justice Department highlighting its
new goals from a list of Clinton Administration goals. The item that
referred to intelligence and investigation of terrorists was left
un-highlighted. [Source: NY Times, 2/28/02]
ASHCROFT OVERRULED EFFORTS FOCUSED ON COUNTER-TERROR: Newsweek reported
that "in the spring of 2001, the attorney general had an extraordinary
confrontation with the then FBI Director Louis Freeh at an annual
meeting of special agents." The two talked before appearing, and
Ashcroft laid out his priorities for Freeh: "basically violent crime
and drugs," recalls one participant. Freeh replied bluntly that those
were not his priorities, and began to talk about terror and
counterterrorism. "Ashcroft didn't want to hear about it," says a
former senior law-enforcement official." [Source: Newsweek, 5/27/02]
BUSH ADMINISTRATION TERMINATED PROGRAM THAT TRACKED AL QAEDA: "In the
months before 9/11, the U.S. Justice Department curtailed a highly
classified program called 'Catcher's Mitt' to monitor Al Qaeda suspects
in the United States." [Source: Newsweek, 3/21/04]
SO LITTLE CONCERN FOR COUNTER-TERROR THAT A WHITE HOUSE TASK FORCE
NEVER MET: In January of 2001, the U.S. Government's bipartisan
Commission on National Security gave the White House a report that
warned of an attack on the homeland and urged the new Administration to
implement its specific "recommendations to prevent acts of domestic
terrorism. The Administration rejected the Commission's report,
"preferring to put aside the recommendations." Instead, the
Administration waited until May of 2001 to appoint Vice President
Cheney to head a task force "to combat terrorist attacks on the United
States." But according to the Washington Post, neither "Cheney's review
nor Bush's took place." Meanwhile, Newsweek reported that when senators
"sent a copy of draft legislation on counterterrorism and homeland
defense to Cheney's office on July 20," they were told by Cheney's top
aide "that it might be another six months before he would be able to
review the material." [Source: Salon, 9/12/04; White House release,
5/8/01; Washington Post, 1/20/02; Newsweek, 5/27/02]
WHITE HOUSE BEGAN EFFORT TO CUT COUNTER-TERRORISM PROGRAMS: The New
York Times reported that in its final 2003 budget request, the
Administration "called for spending increases in 68 programs, none of
which directly involved counterterrorism...In his Sept. 10 submission
to the budget office, Ashcroft did not endorse FBI requests for $58
million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence
analysts and 54 additional translators. Ashcroft proposed a $65 million
cut for a program that gives states and localities counterterrorism
grants for equipment, including radios and decontamination suits and
training." By comparison, "Under Janet Reno, the department's
counterterrorism budget increased 13.6% in the fiscal year 1999, 7.1%
in 2000 and 22.7% in 2001." [Source: NY Times, 2/28/02]
ADMINISTRATION LEFT "GAPS" IN MILITARY'S REQUEST FOR COUNTER-TERROR
FUNDS: The Washington Post reported that in its first budget, the White
House left "gaps" between "what military commanders said they needed to
combat terrorists and what they got." Newsweek noted that, among other
things, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld elected not to re-launch a
Predator drone that had been tracking bin Laden. When the Senate Armed
Services Committee tried to fill those gaps, "Rumsfeld said he would
recommend a veto" on September 9. [Source: Washington Post, 1/20/02;
Newsweek, 5/27/02; NY Times, 2/28/02]
ADMINISTRATION STOPPED PREDATOR FLIGHTS TRACKING AL QAEDA IN
AFGHANISTAN: AP reported "though Predator drones spotted Osama bin
Laden as many as three times in late 2000, the Bush administration did
not fly the unmanned planes over Afghanistan during its first eight
months." Additionally, "the military successfully tested an armed
Predator throughout the first half of 2001" but the White House "failed
to resolve a debate over whether the CIA or Pentagon should operate the
armed Predators" and the armed Predator never got off the ground before
9/11. [Source: AP, 6/25/03]
WHILE CUTTING COUNTER-TERROR, THE WHITE HOUSE SENT FUNDING TO THE
TALIBAN: At the same time the White House was trying to cut
counter-terrorism funding, it gave "$43 million in drought aid to
Afghanistan after the Taliban began a campaign against poppy growers."
As the 5/29/01 edition of Newsday noted, the Taliban rulers of
Afghanistan "are a decidedly odd choice for an outright gift of $43
million from the Bush Administration. This is the same government
against which the United Nation imposes sanctions, at the behest of the
United States, for refusing to turn over the terrorist mastermind Osama
bin Laden." [Washington Post, 9/23/01; Newsday, 5/29/01]
--
George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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User: "ouroboros rex"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 12:39:07 PM

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...

Simply a lie.
Some of what Bush pulled off Bin Laden in spring 2001 - after CLINTON put
it there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRffNCbIZg0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el4HgQt_oio&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0yeW6kwPsQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKND72DAqKE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5536929345945780713&q=cruise+missile&hl=en
.

User: "Frank Pittel"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 06:44:32 PM

In alt.politics.usa.republican ouroboros rex <c-bee1@nospummyitg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: "Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net>
: > wrote:
: > : Clinton lied and people died.
: >
: > : Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.
: >
: > : The Democrats have nothing. Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin
: > Laden,
: > : and they know it, but the mainscream media won't tell the truth about
: > it.
: > : Not even Fox News.
: >
: > To be fair slick willie did bomb an asprin factory and a bunch of empty
: > tents
: > in the middle of a desert.
: Simply a lie.
More lies from the looney tune brain dead loser. It is a fact that slick willie
bombed an aspirin factory and a bunch of empty tents in a desert.
--
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User: "Clinton the Patriot"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 07:35:55 PM

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:Er-dnXX-T7J9kYbYnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com...

In alt.politics.usa.republican ouroboros rex <c-bee1@nospummyitg.uiuc.edu>
wrote:

: "Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net>
: > wrote:
: > : Clinton lied and people died.
: >
: > : Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.
: >
: > : The Democrats have nothing. Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin
: > Laden,
: > : and they know it, but the mainscream media won't tell the truth
about
: > it.
: > : Not even Fox News.
: >
: > To be fair slick willie did bomb an asprin factory and a bunch of
empty
: > tents
: > in the middle of a desert.

: Simply a lie.

More lies from the looney tune brain dead loser. It is a fact that slick
willie
bombed an aspirin factory and a bunch of empty tents in a desert.

Nope, not a fact. Cruise missles destroyed a terrorist training camp where
Osama was to have dinner but had left early. Over 200 terrorists were
killed.
Bush's closest chance to get Osama was when Daddy invaded Kuwait for no
reason in '91 and ***** the jihadists.
.

User: "Clinton the Patriot"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 12:30:06 PM

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...

Bush's Dad bombed a baby milk factory in Iraq and lil Georgie Bush has
managed to kill hundreds of thousands of angry bees out of billions.
If you don't know the truth or can't face the truth, Frankie, stay indoors
and watch the Cartoon Channel.
.

User: "Jeffrey Scott Linder"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 01:06:07 PM

"Clinton the Patriot" <Edwards@bush.net> wrote:

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...

Bush's Dad bombed a baby milk factory in Iraq and lil Georgie Bush has
managed to kill hundreds of thousands of angry bees out of billions.

You mean the baby formula factory where they guys had coats on that
said, in English "Baby Formula Factory" or other such nonsense?

If you don't know the truth or can't face the truth, Frankie, stay indoors
and watch the Cartoon Channel.

The irony.
JSL
.

User: "Clinton the Patriot"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 02:25:43 PM

"Jeffrey Scott Linder" <linder.one@osu.edu> wrote in message
news:451abcfb.1043057061@nntp.service.ohio-state.edu...

"Clinton the Patriot" <Edwards@bush.net> wrote:

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...

Bush's Dad bombed a baby milk factory in Iraq and lil Georgie Bush has
managed to kill hundreds of thousands of angry bees out of billions.

You mean the baby formula factory where they guys had coats on that
said, in English "Baby Formula Factory" or other such nonsense?

If you don't know the truth or can't face the truth, Frankie, stay indoors
and watch the Cartoon Channel.

The irony.

JSL

Bush's war is a joke.
.

User: "Jeffrey Scott Linder"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	28 Sep 2006 09:36:30 AM

"Clinton the Patriot" <Edwards@bush.net> wrote:

"Jeffrey Scott Linder" <linder.one@osu.edu> wrote in message
news:451abcfb.1043057061@nntp.service.ohio-state.edu...

"Clinton the Patriot" <Edwards@bush.net> wrote:

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...

Bush's Dad bombed a baby milk factory in Iraq and lil Georgie Bush has
managed to kill hundreds of thousands of angry bees out of billions.

You mean the baby formula factory where they guys had coats on that
said, in English "Baby Formula Factory" or other such nonsense?

If you don't know the truth or can't face the truth, Frankie, stay indoors
and watch the Cartoon Channel.

The irony.

JSL

Bush's war is a joke.

You're entitled to your own opinion...not your own facts.
JSL
.

User: "Frank Pittel"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 06:48:26 PM

In alt.politics.usa.republican Clinton the Patriot <Edwards@bush.net> wrote:
: "Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net>
: > wrote:
: > : Clinton lied and people died.
: >
: > : Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.
: >
: > : The Democrats have nothing. Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin
: > Laden,
: > : and they know it, but the mainscream media won't tell the truth about
: > it.
: > : Not even Fox News.
: >
: > To be fair slick willie did bomb an asprin factory and a bunch of empty
: > tents
: > in the middle of a desert.
: Bush's Dad bombed a baby milk factory in Iraq and lil Georgie Bush has
: managed to kill hundreds of thousands of angry bees out of billions.
Irrelevent to the current conversation.
: If you don't know the truth or can't face the truth, Frankie, stay indoors
: and watch the Cartoon Channel.
Sounds like a good idea. You should follow your own advice.
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User: "Clinton the Patriot"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 07:46:15 PM

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:Er-dnXT-T7JXkIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com...

In alt.politics.usa.republican Clinton the Patriot <Edwards@bush.net>
wrote:

: "Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net>
: > wrote:
: > : Clinton lied and people died.
: >
: > : Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.
: >
: > : The Democrats have nothing. Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin
: > Laden,
: > : and they know it, but the mainscream media won't tell the truth
about
: > it.
: > : Not even Fox News.
: >
: > To be fair slick willie did bomb an asprin factory and a bunch of
empty
: > tents
: > in the middle of a desert.

: Bush's Dad bombed a baby milk factory in Iraq and lil Georgie Bush has
: managed to kill hundreds of thousands of angry bees out of billions.

Irrelevent to the current conversation.

So Bush's actions are irrelevent but Clinton's aren't. Strange.
Ann Coulter made up the story of how Bush has "saved" America. She has eve
revised history for nimrods like yourself.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter040104.asp
According to Coulter, Bush has won 2 wars against Osama.
I wonder why no one else knows about that?
.

User: "Jeffrey Scott Linder"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	28 Sep 2006 09:37:02 AM

"Clinton the Patriot" <Edwards@bush.net> wrote:

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:Er-dnXT-T7JXkIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com...

In alt.politics.usa.republican Clinton the Patriot <Edwards@bush.net>
wrote:

: "Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net>
: > wrote:
: > : Clinton lied and people died.
: >
: > : Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.
: >
: > : The Democrats have nothing. Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin
: > Laden,
: > : and they know it, but the mainscream media won't tell the truth
about
: > it.
: > : Not even Fox News.
: >
: > To be fair slick willie did bomb an asprin factory and a bunch of
empty
: > tents
: > in the middle of a desert.

: Bush's Dad bombed a baby milk factory in Iraq and lil Georgie Bush has
: managed to kill hundreds of thousands of angry bees out of billions.

Irrelevent to the current conversation.

So Bush's actions are irrelevent but Clinton's aren't. Strange.

Bush didn't bomb a baby formula factory.
JSL
.

User: "Frank Pittel"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	28 Sep 2006 09:35:41 AM

In alt.politics.usa.republican Clinton the Patriot <Edwards@bush.net> wrote:
: "Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: news:Er-dnXT-T7JXkIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Clinton the Patriot <Edwards@bush.net>
: > wrote:
: >
: > : "Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: > : news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > : > In alt.politics.usa.republican Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net>
: > : > wrote:
: > : > : Clinton lied and people died.
: > : >
: > : > : Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.
: > : >
: > : > : The Democrats have nothing. Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin
: > : > Laden,
: > : > : and they know it, but the mainscream media won't tell the truth
: > about
: > : > it.
: > : > : Not even Fox News.
: > : >
: > : > To be fair slick willie did bomb an asprin factory and a bunch of
: > empty
: > : > tents
: > : > in the middle of a desert.
: >
: > : Bush's Dad bombed a baby milk factory in Iraq and lil Georgie Bush has
: > : managed to kill hundreds of thousands of angry bees out of billions.
: >
: > Irrelevent to the current conversation.
: So Bush's actions are irrelevent but Clinton's aren't. Strange.
Take a look at the title of the thread.
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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User: "Tim Crowley"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	28 Sep 2006 03:31:16 PM

Frank Pittel wrote:

In alt.politics.usa.republican Clinton the Patriot <Edwards@bush.net> wrote:

: "Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: news:Er-dnXT-T7JXkIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Clinton the Patriot <Edwards@bush.net>
: > wrote:
: >
: > : "Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: > : news:M_idneBNZuvcL4fYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > : > In alt.politics.usa.republican Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net>
: > : > wrote:
: > : > : Clinton lied and people died.
: > : >
: > : > : Clinton continues to lie, and more people will die.
: > : >
: > : > : The Democrats have nothing. Clinton wimped out on getting Osama Bin
: > : > Laden,
: > : > : and they know it, but the mainscream media won't tell the truth
: > about
: > : > it.
: > : > : Not even Fox News.
: > : >
: > : > To be fair slick willie did bomb an asprin factory and a bunch of
: > empty
: > : > tents
: > : > in the middle of a desert.
: >
: > : Bush's Dad bombed a baby milk factory in Iraq and lil Georgie Bush has
: > : managed to kill hundreds of thousands of angry bees out of billions.
: >
: > Irrelevent to the current conversation.

: So Bush's actions are irrelevent but Clinton's aren't. Strange.

Take a look at the title of the thread.

I see it there. so is your claim that you are so dumb that you don't
understand how other President's actions are relevant??? Damn.

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User: "Tracey1212"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 10:42:26 AM

Communism is the way to go!
We do not need a free market!
We need democrat communists like the Clinton's running the world!
We need Hillary for president and Bill for head of the UN so we can
spread communism around the world!
YESSS!
And if you believe this, you're as insane as they are!
.

User: "Joseph Welch"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 11:34:17 AM

"Tracey1212" <wes12usa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Communism is the way to go!

We do not need a free market!

We need democrat communists like the Clinton's running the world!

Neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton are proponents of Communism, or opponents
of the free market.
So other than idiotic lies - what else do you have?
Nothing.
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George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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User: "Martin McPhillips"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	27 Sep 2006 11:56:00 AM

"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in
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"Tracey1212" <wes12usa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Communism is the way to go!

We do not need a free market!

We need democrat communists like the Clinton's running
the world!

Neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton are proponents of
Communism, or opponents
of the free market.

Well, Bill Clinton isn't a proponent of anything,
other than himself. If you hit his reset button,
however, and watch where he lands after he stops
blinking, it's usually on the Left, or with
anything that Madame Nu, his ideology officer,
wants.
Madame Nu is clearly a Fabian socialist. Her
bona fides as a Leftist were established in
her college years. She talks the talk of
mainstream politics, and occasionally walks
the walk, but when push comes to shove,
Hillary is the American Hugo Chavez.
Her infamous health care proposal, for
instance, had the kind of Stalinist touch
to it that would have made even members of the
old Soviet Politburo gag and groan.
Above all, though, the Clintons are American
scum looking to reinstate themselves as
America's nightmare. Beyond any ideological
tendencies, they love power. It's what
keeps them alive.
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User: "Joseph Welch"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	28 Sep 2006 10:31:29 AM

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Her infamous health care proposal, for
instance, had the kind of Stalinist touch
to it that would have made even members of the
old Soviet Politburo gag and groan.

What was "Stalinist" about Hillary Clinton's health care reform plan?
What did it call for that was "Stalinist"?
Explain.
--
George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
.

User: "Martin McPhillips"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	28 Sep 2006 12:14:05 PM

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"Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Her infamous health care proposal, for
instance, had the kind of Stalinist touch
to it that would have made even members of the
old Soviet Politburo gag and groan.

What was "Stalinist" about Hillary Clinton's health care
reform plan?

I'd say that the elaborate bureaucratic control
mechanisms that would have strangled market forces
(not that they aren't pretty well asphixiated as
is) down to such details as regulating the number
of doctors entering particular areas of specialist
practice fairly much evinces the "Stalinist touch"
that I referred to.
As I said, the bureaucracy was thick enough to
gag members of the old Soviet Politburo.
But there's no question in my mind that with that
particular gang, Hillary would have prevailed,
for certain.
.

User: "Joseph Welch"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	28 Sep 2006 04:40:28 PM

"Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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What was "Stalinist" about Hillary Clinton's health care reform plan?

Cite, please.
--
George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
.

User: "Martin McPhillips"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	29 Sep 2006 11:41:59 AM

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What was "Stalinist" about Hillary Clinton's health care
reform plan?

Cite, please.

The *cite* is the plan itself.
.

User: "Gandalf Grey"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	29 Sep 2006 11:49:37 AM

"Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
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"Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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What was "Stalinist" about Hillary Clinton's health care reform plan?

Cite, please.

The *cite* is the plan itself.

TRANSLATION: There was nothing Stalinist about it. Marty's off his meds
again.

User: "Tim Crowley"
Title: Re: Clinton to Rescue America	29 Sep 2006 12:14:04 PM

Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
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"Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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What was "Stalinist" about Hillary Clinton's health care reform plan?

Cite, please.

The *cite* is the plan itself.

TRANSLATION: There was nothing Stalinist about it. Marty's off his meds
again.

That was funny. He knows he lied. He got caught in his lie. There was
nothing in the details of the plan that would regulate the number of dr
entering a particular area of specialist practice. He knows that, which