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15 Dec 2003 08:04:30 AM |
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Close Connection Between Saddam's Iraq And Al Qaeda Now Disclosed |
Al Qaeda terrorist leader Mohammed Atta visited Baghdad shortly before the 9/11 attack on the WTC
towers and U.S. Pentagon.
Mohammed Atta's Iraqi Connection
By Con Coughlin
London Telegraph | December 15, 2003
For anyone attempting to find evidence to justify the war in Iraq, the discovery of a document that directly links Mohammed Atta,
the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks, with the Baghdad training camp of Abu Nidal, the infamous Palestinian
terrorist, appears almost too good to be true.
Ever since four hijacked civilian jets devastated the United States' eastern seaboard on September 11, 2001, there have been any
number of reports circulating Western intelligence agencies suggesting that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had close links to al-Qaeda.
Most of the claims relate to meetings between al-Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence to discuss co-operation on matters such as funding,
training and equipment.
Prior to the discovery of the document published today by the Telegraph, the most controversial report related to the suggestion
that Atta had met Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, in Prague in April 2001.
But while both President Bush and Tony Blair have dropped numerous hints that they believe there was a significant level of
co-operation between Saddam and al-Qaeda, their respective intelligence agencies have actively sought to downplay the significance
of the relationship, especially the suggestion that Saddam was in any way involved in the September 11 attacks.
To this end America's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), with the backing of Britain's MI6, have poured scorn on Atta's Prague
meeting.
However, the tantalising detail provided in the intelligence document uncovered by Iraq's interim government suggests that Atta's
involvement with Iraqi intelligence may well have been far deeper than has hitherto been acknowledged.
Written in the neat, precise hand of Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and one
of the few named in the US government's pack of cards of most-wanted Iraqis not to have been apprehended, the personal memo to
Saddam is signed by Habbush in distinctive green ink.
Headed simply "Intelligence Items", and dated July 1, 2001, it is addressed: "To the President of the Ba'ath Revolution Party and
President of the Republic, may God protect you."
The first paragraph states that "Mohammed Atta, an Egyptian national, came with Abu Ammer (an Arabic nom-de-guerre - his real
identity is unknown) and we hosted him in Abu Nidal's house at al-Dora under our direct supervision.
"We arranged a work programme for him for three days with a team dedicated to working with him . . . He displayed extraordinary
effort and showed a firm commitment to lead the team which will be responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to
destroy."
There is nothing in the document that provides any clue to the identity of the "targets", although Iraqi officials say it is a coded
reference to the September 11 attacks.
The second item contains a report of how Iraqi intelligence, helped by "a small team from the al-Qaeda organisation", arranged for
an (unspecified) shipment from Niger to reach Baghdad by way of Libya and Syria.
Iraqi officials believe this is a reference to the controversial shipments of uranium ore Iraq acquired from Niger to aid Saddam in
his efforts to develop an atom bomb, although there is no explicit reference in the document to this.
Habbush writes that the successful completion of the shipment was "the fruit of your excellent secret meeting with Bashir al-Asad
(the Syrian president) on the Iraqi-Syrian border", and concludes: "May God protect you and save you to all Arab nations."
While it is almost impossible to ascertain whether or not the document is legitimate or a clever fake, Iraqi officials working for
the interim government are convinced of its authenticity, even though they decline to reveal where and how they obtained it. "It is
not important how we found it," said a senior Iraqi security official. "The important thing is that we did find it and the
information it contains."
A leading member of Iraq's governing council, who asked not to be named, said he was convinced of the document's authenticity.
"There are people who are working with us who used to work with Habbush who are convinced that it is his handwriting and signature.
We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's dealings with al-Qaeda, and this document shows the extent of the old regime's
involvement with the international terrorist network."
This is the second document published by this newspaper that appears to highlight Saddam's links with al-Qaeda. Earlier this year
the Telegraph published details of another Iraqi intelligence document that indicated Saddam's regime was attempting to set up a
meeting with Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader, who was then based in Sudan.
Intelligence experts point out that a memo such as that written by Habbush would of necessity be vague and short. "Trained
intelligence officers hate putting anything down in writing," said one former CIA officer. "You never know where it might turn up."
Certainly the memo's detail concerning Mohammed Atta and Abu Nidal fits in with the known movements of the two terrorists in the
summer of 2001. Abu Nidal, the renegade Palestinian terrorist responsible for a wave of outrages in the 1980s, such as the 1985 bomb
attacks on Rome and Vienna airports, was based in Baghdad, under Saddam's personal protection, for most of his career.
Having briefly relocated to Libya, Abu Nidal returned to Baghdad at some point in early 2001. At the time it was assumed that Saddam
had lured the Palestinian terrorist back to help the Iraqi leader plan a number of terrorist attacks aimed at destabilising American
plans to remove him.
In particular, Saddam wanted Abu Nidal to revive his network of "sleeper cells" in Europe and the Middle East to carry out a new
wave of attacks. During 2001 Abu Nidal lived in a number of houses in the Baghdad area, including a spacious home in the al-Dora
district where he is reported to have met Atta.
The relationship between Abu Nidal and Saddam, however, quickly turned sour, mainly because - as the Telegraph reported at the
time - the ageing Palestinian leader was reluctant to accede to Saddam's request to train al-Qaeda fighters in sophisticated
terrorist techniques.
Abu Nidal was murdered in August 2001, although the Iraqis tried to claim that he had committed suicide. Habbush appeared at a
hastily arranged press conference in Baghdad in an attempt to persuade the sceptical Arab media that Abu Nidal had taken his own
life after Iraqi investigators had uncovered a plot to assassinate Saddam.
Although Western intelligence agencies have attempted to trace Atta's movements in the months preceding September 11, there remain
several periods during which his precise whereabouts are unknown. Having moved to Florida from Hamburg in 2000, Atta is known to
have made at least two trips from the US to Europe in 2001.
In early January he flew to Madrid for a few days. His next confirmed trip was to Zurich in early July. In between, American
investigators have concluded from a detailed examination of Atta's credit cards and phone records, that he spent most of the spring
and early summer of 2001 in Florida, interspersed by occasional domestic trips. The only confirmed sighting of Atta during this
period, however, was on April 26 when he was pulled over for a traffic violation in Florida.
This traffic offence, taken with other evidence collated by FBI agents, is one of the reasons that CIA officials have discounted the
report that Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague earlier in the month (the Czech authorities claim Atta was in Prague on
April 8). Yesterday the New York Times reported that Ani, who was taken into US custody last July, had told American interrogators
that he had not met Atta in Prague.
"The Prague meeting does not appear very convincing," said Lorenzo Vidino, a terrorism analyst at The Investigative Project, a
non-profit organisation that investigates international terrorism, in Washington. "But even if that meeting did not take place you
have to remember that Atta used a large number of aliases when he travelled. It is not inconceivable that Atta slipped out of the US
undetected sometime in the first half of 2001."
The US Congressional report into the September 11 attacks states that Atta used 16 to 17 known aliases, although American
intelligence experts concede that there may have been others.
It is entirely conceivable, then, that Atta secretly made his way to Baghdad to undertake training with Abu Nidal a few months
before the September 11 attacks. But as long as Saddam and his senior intelligence operatives remain at large, it is impossible to
assess just how much they knew about, and were involved in, the planning and execution of the September 11 atrocities.
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| User: "Dire Wolf" |
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| Title: Re: Close Connection Between Saddam's Iraq And Al Qaeda Now Disclosed |
15 Dec 2003 04:07:46 PM |
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"Bruce Roberts" <roberts@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:ObjDb.87445$VEd1.51356@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Al Qaeda terrorist leader Mohammed Atta visited Baghdad shortly before the
9/11 attack on the WTC
towers and U.S. Pentagon.
LOL. BWAHAHAHA. LOLOLO. Funny. Especially since Madman Hussein lived in
Tikrit. That's why they called the al Kayduh guy Atta. HIs friends always
used to say "I buy a ticket and you visit the wrong city - You atta be
kidding."
Seriously though. You also mention a document. But since you're in therapy,
I have no idea which doc you meant!!!! BWAHAHAHA.
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| User: "Agathena" |
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| Title: Re: Close Connection Between Saddam's Iraq And Al Qaeda Now Disclosed |
15 Dec 2003 08:59:28 AM |
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Bruce Roberts wrote:
Al Qaeda terrorist leader Mohammed Atta visited Baghdad shortly before the 9/11 attack on the WTC
towers and U.S. Pentagon.
Mohammed Atta's Iraqi Connection
By Con Coughlin
London Telegraph | December 15, 2003
For anyone attempting to find evidence to justify the war in Iraq, the discovery of a document that directly links Mohammed Atta,
the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks, with the Baghdad training camp of Abu Nidal, the infamous Palestinian
terrorist, appears almost too good to be true.
Ever since four hijacked civilian jets devastated the United States' eastern seaboard on September 11, 2001, there have been any
number of reports circulating Western intelligence agencies suggesting that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had close links to al-Qaeda.
Most of the claims relate to meetings between al-Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence to discuss co-operation on matters such as funding,
training and equipment.
Prior to the discovery of the document published today by the Telegraph, the most controversial report related to the suggestion
that Atta had met Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, in Prague in April 2001.
But while both President Bush and Tony Blair have dropped numerous hints that they believe there was a significant level of
co-operation between Saddam and al-Qaeda, their respective intelligence agencies have actively sought to downplay the significance
of the relationship, especially the suggestion that Saddam was in any way involved in the September 11 attacks.
To this end America's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), with the backing of Britain's MI6, have poured scorn on Atta's Prague
meeting.
However, the tantalising detail provided in the intelligence document uncovered by Iraq's interim government suggests that Atta's
involvement with Iraqi intelligence may well have been far deeper than has hitherto been acknowledged.
That says it all: "uncovered by Iraq's interim government"
An illegitimate government discovers an illegitimate document.
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| User: "InsuranceBroker" |
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| Title: Re: Close Connection Between Saddam's Iraq And Al Qaeda Now Disclosed |
15 Dec 2003 09:23:33 AM |
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Subject: Re: Close Connection Between Saddam's Iraq And Al Qaeda Now
Disclosed
From: Agathena
Date: 12/15/2003 9:59 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <4b1ea866eda9e8122e38ac6c9c6d5db3@grapevine.islandnet.com
That says it all: "uncovered by Iraq's interim government"
An illegitimate government discovers an illegitimate document.
I have heard that it is official. PFC Dudley DoRight of the first light horse
brigade discovered it when he was cleaning up after the new popper scooper law
was enacted by the Iraq government. It is as offical as the WMD destruction
which are schedule to arrive from a manufacturing planet in New Jersey after
the first primary election.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "King Pineapple" |
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| Title: Re: Close Connection Between Saddam's Iraq And Al Qaeda Now Disclosed |
15 Dec 2003 09:59:39 PM |
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Red Green's Wife "Agathena" <nospam@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
news:4b1ea866eda9e8122e38ac6c9c6d5db3@grapevine.islandnet.com...
That says it all: "uncovered by Iraq's interim government"
An illegitimate government discovers an illegitimate document.
Except that thus document was AUTHENTIC. Right down to the distinctive green
ink signature.
Why are you idiots so afraid of a link between Iraq and bin Laden? Make me
laugh.
--
"L'évidence par l'opinion, Whineasshole?
Cela ne l'a pas coupé seulement"-
Usenet principal Fromage Manger
la Reddition Singe Gary Roselles
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| User: "Rico" |
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| Title: Re: Close Connection Between Saddam's Iraq And Al Qaeda Now Disclosed |
16 Dec 2003 05:29:29 PM |
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In article <LqvDb.863$Ts5.853@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "King Pineapple" <saddlepill@earthlink.net> wrote:
Red Green's Wife "Agathena" <nospam@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
news:4b1ea866eda9e8122e38ac6c9c6d5db3@grapevine.islandnet.com...
That says it all: "uncovered by Iraq's interim government"
An illegitimate government discovers an illegitimate document.
Except that thus document was AUTHENTIC. Right down to the distinctive green
ink signature.
Why are you idiots so afraid of a link between Iraq and bin Laden? Make me
laugh.
"We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11,"
Bush told reporters as he met members of Congress on energy legislation.
Sept 17, 2003
http://story.news.yahoo.
com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20030917/ts_nm/iraq_usa_dc_5
So you ar esaying Bush lied? Is he an idiot?
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| User: "" |
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17 Dec 2003 10:35:54 AM |
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In article <vtv5al9pkcb56e@corp.supernews.com>, Rico wrote:
In article <LqvDb.863$Ts5.853@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "King Pineapple" <saddlepill@earthlink.net> wrote:
Red Green's Wife "Agathena" <nospam@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
news:4b1ea866eda9e8122e38ac6c9c6d5db3@grapevine.islandnet.com...
That says it all: "uncovered by Iraq's interim government"
An illegitimate government discovers an illegitimate document.
Except that thus document was AUTHENTIC. Right down to the distinctive green
ink signature.
Why are you idiots so afraid of a link between Iraq and bin Laden? Make me
laugh.
"We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11,"
Bush told reporters as he met members of Congress on energy legislation.
Sept 17, 2003
http://story.news.yahoo.
com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20030917/ts_nm/iraq_usa_dc_5
So you ar esaying Bush lied?
The "politically correct" term now is "misstated".
Is he an idiot?
No, he's a moron.
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| User: "King Pineapple" |
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| Title: Re: Close Connection Between Saddam's Iraq And Al Qaeda Now Disclosed |
15 Dec 2003 08:52:38 AM |
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Paid Political Hack "Bruce Roberts" <roberts@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:ObjDb.87445$VEd1.51356@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Al Qaeda terrorist leader Mohammed Atta visited Baghdad shortly before the
9/11 attack on the WTC
towers and U.S. Pentagon.
Mohammed Atta's Iraqi Connection
By Con Coughlin
London Telegraph | December 15, 2003
Messr Coughlin is Saddam's biographer, BTW.
"How naive we were"-liberal historian Richard Goodwin, on voting for Clinton
twice.
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