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Politics > Politics-USA |
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"Franklin Jefferson" |
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16 Oct 2006 10:17:09 AM |
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Common conservatism |
Interesting essay on "Common Conservatism" :
www.commonconservative.com/fiore/fiore101606.shtml
A lot I agree with, but I have to object to:
"Though the economy is the best that it's been since the late 90s, it
still remains the most underreported story of the last five years."
....well, to be brutally specific, the economy is the best it's been
<b>since the end of Clinton's term</b>. That when the budget was
running a surplus, and George Bush said he would take that surplus and
"put it in a lock box."
"...Budget deficit lower than expected ($111 billion less)?"
I don't see how this is anything to crow about. "We're spending the
country into trillions of dollars of debt, but we're not spending it
quite as fast as we expected last year, so we will call that a gain!"
I mean, even if you ignore the use of debt accounting that's so fuzzy
that it's basically a con game (
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14756403/site/newsweek ), it's hard to see
how "our budget deficit is 'only' a quarter of a trillion dollars" is
"fiscal conservatism".
I have to say, thought, that I'm no longer even sure that "vote GOP,
because the alternative is even worse than we are" even works for me
any more. I've lost track of why the Repubicans call themselves
conservatives-- they seem to have abandoned all the principles that I
would call the core of conservatism, and have turned into the party
that spends tax money like a kid in a candy store.
I'm still chewing on the fact that a Democrat president can balance the
budget and even make a surplus, but a Republican president, with a
Republican congress, can't. Who are these people, and what did they do
with the actual Republicans?
(to be fair, though, I have to admit being more of a libertarian than a
conservative. For while, during the Reagan revolution, there wasn't
much difference, but that's no longer true; the younger Bush doesn't
seem to have any interest in libertarian principles-- or liberty, for
that matter.)
--
Franklin Jefferson
***My blog: Jefferson's Democracy***
http://franklinjefferson.blogspot.com
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Common conservatism |
20 Oct 2006 08:55:17 PM |
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Franklin Jefferson wrote:
Interesting essay on "Common Conservatism" :
www.commonconservative.com/fiore/fiore101606.shtml
A lot I agree with, but I have to object to:
"Though the economy is the best that it's been since the late 90s, it
still remains the most underreported story of the last five years."
...well, to be brutally specific, the economy is the best it's been
<b>since the end of Clinton's term</b>. That when the budget was
running a surplus, and George Bush said he would take that surplus and
"put it in a lock box."
"...Budget deficit lower than expected ($111 billion less)?"
I don't see how this is anything to crow about. "We're spending the
country into trillions of dollars of debt, but we're not spending it
quite as fast as we expected last year, so we will call that a gain!"
I mean, even if you ignore the use of debt accounting that's so fuzzy
that it's basically a con game (
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14756403/site/newsweek ), it's hard to see
how "our budget deficit is 'only' a quarter of a trillion dollars" is
"fiscal conservatism".
I have to say, thought, that I'm no longer even sure that "vote GOP,
because the alternative is even worse than we are" even works for me
any more. I've lost track of why the Repubicans call themselves
conservatives-- they seem to have abandoned all the principles that I
would call the core of conservatism, and have turned into the party
that spends tax money like a kid in a candy store.
I'm still chewing on the fact that a Democrat president can balance the
budget and even make a surplus, but a Republican president, with a
Republican congress, can't. Who are these people, and what did they do
with the actual Republicans?
(to be fair, though, I have to admit being more of a libertarian than a
conservative. For while, during the Reagan revolution, there wasn't
much difference, but that's no longer true; the younger Bush doesn't
seem to have any interest in libertarian principles-- or liberty, for
that matter.)
Refreshing reality. My problem with the Libertarians is that it would
create a power vacuum for transnational corporations to move into. *IF*
the Libertarians could get the SCOTUS decision a century ago that
defined a 'corporation' as a 'person', then we could restrain the power
of corporate entities without cutting into personal rights.
Another Libertarian plank has been the sell off of federal land, like
National parks, US Forestry or game & fish land. Which is one thing if
US citizens bought it, but there's nothing to stop the Chinese from
converting US fiat treasury notes in real real estate.
But certainly, as a Barry Goldwater voter, I am appalled at what has
become of the GOP. But by the same token, somewhat encouraged, on
listening to the debates on CSPAN, encouraged at what is happening to
the Democratic party. I first noticed it listening to Ford running for
senate in TN, who closed his pitch by pointing out (in true
Machiavellian fashion) that he came from a political family that was
devoted, not to the Democratic party, but the Tenn. voters.
If I mite expand on that a bit- candidates of both major parties are
trying to distance themselves from the leadership in DC. Hastert will be
history, but so will *Pelosi*. She aint done ***** for any of them, and
they know it, and know that the Web has done them lots more good.
http://bowman2006.com for instance, 15th fl district congress, uses the
web to outline his background and program in detail that *nobody* could
afford to do on TV. So- he dont need major party money either.
Machiavelli noted that political families treat the system as a family
business, and like any other business, want it intact to hand down to
the next generation. Bush, OTOH, saw opportunities beyond the local US
business to expand into *global* operations. He seems to have failed in
that, which mite have something to do with the ranch that he recently
bought in Paraguay.
Others, like Montana Gov. Schweitzer, appear to realize we are moving
twards a global machiavellian system of independent city states rather
than the kind of empire Bush & transnat oil had in mind. He's made it
perfectly clear, that if the US federal system is dysfunctional, he'll
keep on with his reforms to make Montana economically independent.
In doing so, he has separated himself from the federal Democratic party
to become *independent* and represent Montana voters. Its libertarian.
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