Hoy Paloy wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:01:37 -0400, T Jr Hardman
<blockspam_thardman@thomashardman.com> wrote:
gringogirl wrote:
T Jr Hardman wrote:
<CHOMP>
That's not my opinion. I know lots of people who are really sick and
tired of seeing the USA be overrun while the government either does
nothing, or makes the problems worse. I invite them to stop in, and they
read a few threads, and bail out and they get back to me later, saying
"d00d that place is a cesspool of freaks and all they are doing is
providing easy pickings for people who want to make jokes about
trailer-trash". There are some posters here who clearly are using their
minds and communications skills to make a solid point that is hard to
refute, and in the meantime they help document the ongoing problems and
help shoot down the arguments of the open-borders idiots and they do so
with good logic that goes mostly straight to the point.
And then there are people who are acting like a bunch of baboons. People
make some remark about how we couldn't live without 12 million illegals,
and the baboons come back with "well that only proves you are an illegal
lover". The appropriate thing to do is to prove the person wrong, and
that's easily done by saying "we did just fine before we had 12 million
illegals, and we will do just fine without 12 million illegals. The
difference between doing just fine, before or after 12 million illegals,
is the 12 million illegals who are costing the taxpayers money, driving
hospitals out of business, overcrowding and disrupting schools, and
splintering our society". That's very easy to say, and it's 100-percent
true, and it kills every argument that the open-borders fools tend to
make. You can shoot down the enemy's argument like like that. Sensible
sane and educated human beings would do that, baboons evidently cannot.
The friends who get back to you are right. But it's rather meaningless
in any case. Usenet is for blowing off steam. Unmoderated = Horseshit.
For more thoughtful people who aren't particularly seeking to play
table-tennis with trolls (or be one) it's a place for typing your
little essays in and getting them off your chest. If usenet were all
one did to address this issue, you wouldn't be addressing the issue.
This isn't the audience for the most part.
There's a fairly huge audience of "lurkers". Some of them may even
"matter".
Let me make more friends though...
I feel the same way about a lot of the street protests now. I was
strongly supportive of the Minutemen when it started, and I am still
supportive. The initial project of manning the border for purpose of
forcing media & political attention was excellent and worked like a
charm. Then they immediately left the border and organized pointless
street confrontations with raza. Actions which do not discomfit the
powerful and do nothing to further our cause. They became a
live-action version of Usenet.
If people wanted to do something productive, newsworthy and kick-*****
for the cause, they would identify the individuals and organisations
responsible for this situation, call the press, gather in their
hallway, office or entrance as the case may be, chain themselves
together like a bunch of civil rights protestors, and tell the press
present what these individuals inside are doing to their jobs, our
nation, their children's future. Make it impossible for our enemy to
sit back comfortably in the office and dial-in the Invasion as they
are doing at this moment. Ruin their image, paint them on the TV,
force them to respond, interfere with them, publically finger them
where they live.
The above is not deep thinking, it should be perfectly obvious to
anyone who was serious about turning this problem on its head. If you
want to shut off the water you go to the man with the spigot handle in
his pocket.
But don't look for the trollbait on our side to figure that out.
Obviously. leaderless revolution is not all that it is cracked up to
be.
Hah. More commonsense.
Locally we have a very small Minuteman Project chapter which hasn't had
a whole lot of luck, mostly due to the entrenched position of "CASA de
Maryland". Maybe six months ago, CASA was out grandstanding and the
local Minuteman chaper leader was to a far lesser degree doing the same.
CASA, the "Central American Solidarity Association", made the mistake of
telling local newspapers that they'd be arranging demonstrations to
terrorize the families of Minuteman Project members by aggressively
demonstrating at workplaces and schools.
But six months later, CASA has pretty much fallen off of the radar,
which may or may not be a good thing. I don't know the status of their
frivolous lawsuit in which they sought to force Maryland's Motor Vehicle
Administration to never ask citizenship or immigration-status questions,
which is of course meritless as it directly conflicts with the
provisions of the Federal REAL ID Act of 2005.
CASA, which was riding high after County CEO Doug Duncan's high-profile
junket to El Salvador, from which he returned in a state of mania and
proclaimed that he'd be working closely with El Salvador's President
Tony Saca (who regularly visits Maryland to be in touch with the
expatriate community that remits some $2.5-billions annually) to fight
the scourge of gangs which have turned much of El Salvador into a
hellhole. Never mind that the reason that Duncan flew to El Salvador
because very public gang violence erupted here, and never mind that the
gang violence that erupted here was almost entirely due to cooperation
between CASA de Maryland and Duncan's County Administration which rolled
out the welcome mat for illegals, among other things by prohibiting
County officers from sharing information with Federal authorities or
accepting immigration status reports from Federal authorities.
Local newspapers reported on this weirdness without much tongue in
cheek, oddly enough. Perhaps this was over-the-top even for newspapers
which ordinarily bang the drum of celebrating "diversity". Yet they
couldn't much celebrate when properties highly associated with CASA's
unrelenting efforts -- which apparently are towards bringing all of
centralamerica to the DC area -- were the sites of three men having
their throats fatally slit as they slept overnight hoping to find work
at the day-laborer center that CASA operates with taxpayer funding.
It may have weighed heavily on the mind of Mr Duncan that in all of the
county districts which have both significant problems with crime and
large concentrations of illegal aliens, all of the candidates gave
advance notice that they were all determined to prevent a complete
turnover of the Democrat strongholds to the Republicans. The Republicans
in these areas made no secret of it at all that they would universally
be running out a platform plank opposing taxpayer funding to illegal
alien "help centers" such as those operated by CASA. Rather than chance
a huge majority of voting go to the Republicans on the basis of this
single issue -- which is top of the list after housing costs in this
area's political concerns -- the Democrat candidates unilaterally and
pre-emptively decided that they would universally oppose handouts, or
even much courtesy, to illegal aliens. This of course leaves a lot of
Republicans scrambling to see who can come up with other issues of
interest to the voters; though most voters are very concerned with the
high cost of housing, they're also generally opposed to building more,
as we are already very urbanized and most of the new housing that's
built is McMansions for the rich, and the Republicans will lose heartily
if they try to promote "growth" in this County without very detailed and
careful planning of how it should be done. The Democrats totally lead on
that particular issue, and by taking their stand against illegal aliens
and gangs, they've pretty much yanked the rug out from under the
Republicans, who can't simply announce that they're more mean and nasty
on that issue than are the Democrats.
As for the Democrats, I rather suspect their motives are simply to take
this plank away from being "owned" by Republicans; I further distrust
their sincerity. I think most of the local Republicans are _sincere_
when they say they want to make life hereabouts really difficult for the
egregious sort of illegal aliens such as gangsters and sex-workers.
Of course, the candidates themselves can't run right out and "act up",
other than with sound-bites on local television or blurbs in articles in
local papers. Their supporters, on the other hand, conceivably can. But
I have to point out that Mr Duncan is not running, and the courtiers of
the man locally known as "the king of the county" are trying to shift
their allegiences tentatively to the frontrunners even before the
primaries. And all of the frontrunners, indeed almost every last
candidate for almost every position however significant or not, is ready
to wash their hands of CASA and anything to do with it, because they
know quite well that we the citizens will be asking the pointed
questions in front of every crowd and camera we can find: do you support
taxpayer funds being used to enable foreign organized crime? -because
that's what CASA is: organizing local government to subvert Federal
immigration law and law-enforcement.
--
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak foolishness and remove all doubt.
--Aesop
The more unnatural anything is, the more it is
capable of becoming the object of dismal admiration.
--Thomas Paine, "Age of Reason"
.
|
