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"J Young" |
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08 Mar 2006 11:52:39 PM |
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Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America: Love
it or Leave it!"
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12930.html#
Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely
The Senate will debate the "Flag Protection Amendment" at the end of June.
If it passes -- this constitutional amendment will give one of the Nation's
"proudest and most treasured symbols the protection it deserves" said Senate
Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN).
Polls have shown that roughly 80% of the American people want to vote on the
right to protect the flag. In addition, all 50 state legislatures have
passed resolutions asking Congress to pass an amendment -- to be sent back
to the states for debate and ratification, according to the Republican
National Committee.
"Clearly, the American people have spoken. It's time for the Senate to
listen," said Frist.
"That flag represents all that we are -- all that we stand for. Freedom.
Liberty. It represents so much to so many. And I believe we have a moral
obligation to rise as a body and declare that it is wrong to burn the flag
of the United States of America," he said.
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" The truth shall set you free "
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| User: "No One" |
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09 Mar 2006 12:56:09 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America: Love
it or Leave it!"
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12930.html#
Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely
The Senate will debate the "Flag Protection Amendment" at the end of June.
If it passes -- this constitutional amendment will give one of the Nation's
"proudest and most treasured symbols the protection it deserves" said Senate
Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN).
Young is definitely an idiot and Frist is either an idiot or is cynically
trying to get the idiot vote, or is trying to divert attention from all
the failures of the Bush administration.
1. Flag burning is not a real problem. Have you ever seen it
happen? (Other countries don't count - our laws don't apply
there.)
2. You can simply use fire regulations to stop it in the usual
public venues. After all, it is reasonable to not allow
impromptu bonfires in front of city hall. And if it is out
of sight, what's the point?
3. Can Pixar burn a flag via computer animation? Would a
disclaimer that "no real flags were actually burned" get
the special effects guys off the hook?
4. What happens if you make something that looks like an
American flag but has one extra star and burn that? It
isn't a real flag, so is that OK? Figure on the U.S.
spending several million dollars as such cases meander
through the courts as every conceivable variation is tried.
Wouldn't it be better to spend that money trying to catch
Osama?
5. What happens if you burn a white flag, but use a laser
projection system with adaptive optics to project an image
of an American flag on it? Would you be in trouble if it
looks like a real American flag, even though it isn't?
6. What happens when Silvester Stalone decides to make his
next Rambo movie? A group of Middle Eastern extremists
tie him up in public and threaten to torture him if he
does not burn an American flag. Naturally he refuses,
so they wire him with electrodes and zap him, bulging
muscles and all, as they burn a flag in front of his
face. He is so enraged that he breaks his bonds, grabs
a sword, and singlehandedly beheads 1000 people as one
after the other (but never two at once) try to kill the
infidel. Can he make this movie? Would it be OK if the
flag was burned off screen? Can they burn it in another
country? Would anyone be so daft as to actually see
this movie? Would J. Young see it? (No doubt impressed
by the bulging muscles. :-))
7. Apparently the proper way of disposing of a worn out
American flag is to respectfully burn it so it doesn't
end up ignominiously in some landfill. Exactly what
do you have to do to be sufficiently respectful to stay
out of jail?
Enquiring minds want to know, but my opinion is "don't fix it if
it isn't broken."
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| User: "Nosmo King" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 07:32:02 AM |
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No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in
news:m33bhsrtwx.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out.
"America: Love it or Leave it!"
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12930.html#
Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely
The Senate will debate the "Flag Protection Amendment" at the end of
June.
If it passes -- this constitutional amendment will give one of the
Nation's "proudest and most treasured symbols the protection it
deserves" said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN).
Young is definitely an idiot and Frist is either an idiot or is
cynically trying to get the idiot vote, or is trying to divert
attention from all the failures of the Bush administration.
1. Flag burning is not a real problem. Have you ever seen it
happen? (Other countries don't count - our laws don't apply
there.)
2. You can simply use fire regulations to stop it in the usual
public venues. After all, it is reasonable to not allow
impromptu bonfires in front of city hall. And if it is out
of sight, what's the point?
3. Can Pixar burn a flag via computer animation? Would a
disclaimer that "no real flags were actually burned" get
the special effects guys off the hook?
4. What happens if you make something that looks like an
American flag but has one extra star and burn that? It
isn't a real flag, so is that OK? Figure on the U.S.
spending several million dollars as such cases meander
through the courts as every conceivable variation is tried.
Wouldn't it be better to spend that money trying to catch
Osama?
5. What happens if you burn a white flag, but use a laser
projection system with adaptive optics to project an image
of an American flag on it? Would you be in trouble if it
looks like a real American flag, even though it isn't?
6. What happens when Silvester Stalone decides to make his
next Rambo movie? A group of Middle Eastern extremists
tie him up in public and threaten to torture him if he
does not burn an American flag. Naturally he refuses,
so they wire him with electrodes and zap him, bulging
muscles and all, as they burn a flag in front of his
face. He is so enraged that he breaks his bonds, grabs
a sword, and singlehandedly beheads 1000 people as one
after the other (but never two at once) try to kill the
infidel. Can he make this movie? Would it be OK if the
flag was burned off screen? Can they burn it in another
country? Would anyone be so daft as to actually see
this movie? Would J. Young see it? (No doubt impressed
by the bulging muscles. :-))
7. Apparently the proper way of disposing of a worn out
American flag is to respectfully burn it so it doesn't
end up ignominiously in some landfill. Exactly what
do you have to do to be sufficiently respectful to stay
out of jail?
Enquiring minds want to know, but my opinion is "don't fix it if
it isn't broken."
Precisely the points I've tried to make over the years. It's a totally
unenforceable proposition with so many loopholes as to make it laughable.
With the billions, literally, of flags and flag decorated items that
exist in the US today, to prevent any descrations, real or unintended,
would consume billions of dollars and countless hours of time. For what?
But, you know what? I hope it passes so we can start making a mockery of
the fools who wanted it. We can clog the jails and the courts with
complaints, real and imagined, everytime a security gaurd with a flag on
his uniform shirt spills some taco sauce on it eating at the mall food
court, or someone improperly disposes of a book, video tape, DVD or any
other item depicting the flag. Hey, what if I put a video of a waving
flag on TV and then blow up the TV? My GOD!! What if I'm watching a
waving flag on TV and turn it off?? Will I go to jail?? What if I turn it
off in protest?? What if I blow my nose on it instead of burning it? Or
crap on it? Does any of that count?? A flag burning amendment is such a
joke.
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| User: "Arizona Bushwhacker" |
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09 Mar 2006 12:02:12 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85Sdne3RsJsgX5LZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
"America: Love it or Leave it!"
When are you leaving?
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| User: "Raymond" |
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09 Mar 2006 04:22:42 AM |
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Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out.
"America: Love it or Leave it!"
If you had a house full of termites eating up your beautiful house,
would you abandon your lifetime investment and let the little critters
force you out?
Probably not. You would kill the hungry, greedy, parasitic little worms
with wings. And why not?
The second amendment secures individuals the right to possess arms to
defend their persons and to protect against attack (whether private or
GOVERMENTAL, and a collective right (assertable by individuals) to
possess arms for the purpose of militia service.
Hmmmm !
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| User: "Stop The War" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 12:12:23 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message news:85Sdne3RsJsgX5LZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America: Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
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| User: "J Young" |
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09 Mar 2006 12:35:46 AM |
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"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85Sdne3RsJsgX5LZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
Because too many ( anything more than one is too many ) liberal loons and
people who just hate America thinks it's okay to desecrate a symbol
cherished by practically every sane person living in America. It's not okay!
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| User: "Arizona Bushwhacker" |
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09 Mar 2006 12:47:44 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85Sdne3RsJsgX5LZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out.
"America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
Because too many ( anything more than one is too many ) liberal loons and
people who just hate America thinks it's okay to desecrate a symbol
cherished by practically every sane person living in America. It's not
okay!
And yet you would have no problem if Cheney
would get drunk and shoot his friend in the face
while hunting Bald Eagles.
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| User: "J Young" |
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09 Mar 2006 11:43:10 PM |
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"Arizona Bushwhacker" <ArizonaBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
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And yet you would have no problem if Cheney
would get drunk and shoot his friend in the face
while hunting Bald Eagles.
Anyone who spends their weekends with Cheney probably deserves a face-full
of bird shot
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| User: "LAmazone" |
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09 Mar 2006 08:01:06 AM |
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Arizona Bushwhacker wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out.
"America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
Because too many ( anything more than one is too many ) liberal loons and
people who just hate America thinks it's okay to desecrate a symbol
cherished by practically every sane person living in America. It's not
okay!
And yet you would have no problem if Cheney
would get drunk and shoot his friend in the face
while hunting Bald Eagles.
Another example of how the Democrats are better
Aaron Burr didnt fire while under the influence of alcohol, and he was a far
better shot.
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I have
better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
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| User: "OrionCA" |
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09 Mar 2006 09:01:14 AM |
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:01:06 GMT, L'Amazone
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
And yet you would have no problem if Cheney
would get drunk and shoot his friend in the face
while hunting Bald Eagles.
Another example of how the Democrats are better
Aaron Burr didnt fire while under the influence of alcohol,
Neither did Cheney
and he was a far better shot.
You were hoping his friend would be killed in that hunting accident?
OBTW, since you're pretending to be French (even though you post from
Philadelphia), would you happen to know the law in France regarding
burning their national flag?
--
"Even as the Times defended Echelon as "a necessity"
in 1999, evidence already existed that the Clintonites
had misused electronic surveillance for political
purposes. Intelligence officials told Insight magazine
in 1997 that they had spied on a 1993 conference of
Asian and Pacific world leaders in Seattle hosted by
Clinton and some of that information was passed on to
big Democratic corporate donors for use against their
competitors."
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/60314.htm
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| User: "Winston Smith, American Patriot" |
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09 Mar 2006 09:27:13 AM |
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OrionCA <OrionCA@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
OBTW, since you're pretending to be French (even though you post from
Philadelphia), would you happen to know the law in France regarding
burning their national flag?
So you're saying that we should pass a Constitutional amendment
criminalizing the burning of the flag, and thus we can be more like
France???
Let me get this right: a Bush worshipper actually want the United States
to be more like France...
--
http://hume.realisticpolitics.com/
Estimate the worth of a man by how sincerely he greets you.
Arrive at the worth of a man by how he opens himself to you.
Know the worth of a man by how conscientiously he listens to you.
Verify the worth of a man by how warmly he takes his leave of you.
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| User: "LAmazone" |
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09 Mar 2006 09:35:37 AM |
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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote:
OrionCA <OrionCA@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
OBTW, since you're pretending to be French (even though you post from
Philadelphia), would you happen to know the law in France regarding
burning their national flag?
So you're saying that we should pass a Constitutional amendment
criminalizing the burning of the flag, and thus we can be more like
France???
Let me get this right: a Bush worshipper actually want the United States
to be more like France...
The politics of pragmatism...take a bit from this, a bit from that til you
have a great authoritarian state...........
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I
have better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
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| User: "LAmazone" |
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09 Mar 2006 09:33:53 AM |
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OrionCA wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:01:06 GMT, L'Amazone
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
And yet you would have no problem if Cheney
would get drunk and shoot his friend in the face
while hunting Bald Eagles.
Another example of how the Democrats are better
Aaron Burr didnt fire while under the influence of alcohol,
Neither did Cheney
and he was a far better shot.
You were hoping his friend would be killed in that hunting accident?
OBTW, since you're pretending to be French (even though you post from
Philadelphia), would you happen to know the law in France regarding
burning their national flag?
Anything that can be determined as havig a deleterious effect on
Securite' can be punished fairly severly.
--
"Even as the Times defended Echelon as "a necessity"
in 1999, evidence already existed that the Clintonites
had misused electronic surveillance for political
purposes. Intelligence officials told Insight magazine
in 1997 that they had spied on a 1993 conference of
Asian and Pacific world leaders in Seattle hosted by
Clinton and some of that information was passed on to
big Democratic corporate donors for use against their
competitors."
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/60314.htm
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I
have better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
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| User: "OrionCA" |
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10 Mar 2006 01:44:15 AM |
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:33:53 GMT, L'Amazone
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
OBTW, since you're pretending to be French (even though you post from
Philadelphia), would you happen to know the law in France regarding
burning their national flag?
Anything that can be determined as havig a deleterious effect on
Securite' can be punished fairly severly.
I rather thought so. Muslim hoodlums are seen torching French cars,
not flags, in the news over here.
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"Even as the Times defended Echelon as "a necessity"
in 1999, evidence already existed that the Clintonites
had misused electronic surveillance for political
purposes. Intelligence officials told Insight magazine
in 1997 that they had spied on a 1993 conference of
Asian and Pacific world leaders in Seattle hosted by
Clinton and some of that information was passed on to
big Democratic corporate donors for use against their
competitors."
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/60314.htm
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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10 Mar 2006 12:29:16 PM |
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"OrionCA" <OrionCA@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I rather thought so. Muslim hoodlums are seen torching French cars,
not flags, in the news over here.
After decades of treating them like ***** - you were expecting roses, maybe?
--
We Americans can never win against the terrorists until we neutralize our
own NeoChristian insurgents.
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| User: "Arizona Bushwhacker" |
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09 Mar 2006 12:42:48 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out.
"America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
Because too many ( anything more than one is too many ) liberal loons and
people who just hate America thinks it's okay to desecrate a symbol
cherished by practically every sane person living in America. It's not
okay!
When is the last time you saw an American burn
a US flag?
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| User: "Izkata" |
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10 Mar 2006 08:54:29 PM |
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"Arizona Bushwhacker" <ArizonaBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85Sdne3RsJsgX5LZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out.
"America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
Because too many ( anything more than one is too many ) liberal loons and
people who just hate America thinks it's okay to desecrate a symbol
cherished by practically every sane person living in America. It's not
okay!
When is the last time you saw an American burn
a US flag?
I've never seen a typical American burn a flag.
Although the military burns old flags in respect.
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| User: "Maxwell Edison" |
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09 Mar 2006 11:34:06 AM |
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In article <65GdnaLHLJpFUZLZRVn-vw@giganews.com>, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com says...
"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
Because too many ( anything more than one is too many ) liberal loons and
people who just hate America thinks it's okay to desecrate a symbol
cherished by practically every sane person living in America. It's not okay!
I guess you just hate freedom.
"Freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much.
That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is
the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing
order." - Robert Jackson
By the way, most (I hope) Americans find the First Amendment a much
more cherished symbol than the flag. So it's not ok to desecrate it
with your amendment, America hater.
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| User: "Arizona Bushwhacker" |
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09 Mar 2006 12:26:57 AM |
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"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
"A Constitution Amendment"?
As in only one?
You forgot that he wants one to ban gay marriage too.
And another that bans abortion.
and another that allows republicans to spend too much
but requires democrats to balance the budget.
And another that eliminates the fourth.
And another that gets rid of the first.
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| User: "J Young" |
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09 Mar 2006 12:41:00 AM |
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"Arizona Bushwhacker" <ArizonaBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out.
"America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
"A Constitution Amendment"?
As in only one?
You forgot that he wants one to ban gay marriage too.
A lie. It's already not a reality
And another that bans abortion.
Another lie. Roe v Wade established a right that did not previously exist. I
believe the Constitution only needs proper interpretation on that subject.
and another that allows republicans to spend too much
but requires democrats to balance the budget.
And another that eliminates the fourth.
And another that gets rid of the first.
Three more lies. You're batting zero.
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| User: "Arizona Bushwhacker" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 12:49:46 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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And another that bans abortion.
Another lie. Roe v Wade established a right that did not previously exist.
I
believe the Constitution only needs proper interpretation on that subject.
So you are telling me that I don't have to pay
for Bush's war in Iraq because the 16th did
not previously exist?
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| User: "LAmazone" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 08:00:09 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"Arizona Bushwhacker" <ArizonaBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out.
"America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
"A Constitution Amendment"?
As in only one?
You forgot that he wants one to ban gay marriage too.
A lie. It's already not a reality
No, gay marriage is legal in the Commonwealth of Massachusettes.
And another that bans abortion.
Another lie. Roe v Wade established a right that did not previously exist. I
believe the Constitution only needs proper interpretation on that subject.
The Court disagrees, and upheld their view recently.
The Court decides what rights are guaranteed in the Constitution, not your
fuindamentalist friends...at least for now....
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I have
better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
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| User: "Izkata" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
10 Mar 2006 08:53:00 PM |
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"L'Amazone" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:
"Arizona Bushwhacker" <ArizonaBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Stop The War" <stopthewar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out.
"America:
Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
"A Constitution Amendment"?
As in only one?
You forgot that he wants one to ban gay marriage too.
A lie. It's already not a reality
No, gay marriage is legal in the Commonwealth of Massachusettes.
And Hawaii recognizes gay marriage, although it does not (yet) issue that
type of marriage license itself
<snips remainder>
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| User: "FlameStrike" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 12:37:24 AM |
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In article <4PPPf.68912$kp3.11843@fed1read03>,
says...
And another that gets rid of the first.
That's exactly what this proposed amendment will start to do if/when it
passes. Then the US will no longer be worth protecting.
--
FlameStrike
"My honor is my life!"
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| User: "LAmazone" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 07:57:40 AM |
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Stop The War wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message news:85Sdne3RsJsgX5LZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America: Love
it or Leave it!"
If you like it so much, why are you trying to change it with a
constitutional amendment? ;-)
Once you get the public used to changing the Constitution, it gets progressively easier to do it again and
again.....
Abortion
School Prayer
Anti-gay rights
Faith test for office
Establishment of Christianity as the official faith.
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I have better spent it elsewhere.
Here there remain only fragments."
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| User: "Stop The War" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 01:11:21 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message news:85Sdne3RsJsgX5LZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America: Love
it or Leave it!"
What about burning the President in effigy? Throwing darts
at a Bush dartboard? Bush voodoo dolls? American flag toilet
paper? Buttons, t-shirts, mugs, posters, bumper stickers, stickers,
mouse pads, caps, magnets, key chains, can coolers, aprons,
etc.? Am I going to have to sell all my stuff? ;-)
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| User: "LAmazone" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 08:03:35 AM |
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Stop The War wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message news:85Sdne3RsJsgX5LZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America: Love
it or Leave it!"
What about burning the President in effigy? Throwing darts
at a Bush dartboard? Bush voodoo dolls? American flag toilet
paper? Buttons, t-shirts, mugs, posters, bumper stickers, stickers,
mouse pads, caps, magnets, key chains, can coolers, aprons,
etc.? Am I going to have to sell all my stuff? ;-)
Hmmm---a sort of Guy Fawkes Day for Liberals...
Buring Dubya in effigy....
with beer...
no guns, so cheny won't show up....
could be a great party.....
while George Clooney sings "Happy Days are Here Again..."
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I have better spent it elsewhere.
Here there remain only fragments."
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| User: "GW Chimpzillas Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 12:50:39 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America: Love
it or Leave it!"
I leave Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Virginia, South Carolina, Florida.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12930.html#
Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely
The Senate will debate the "Flag Protection Amendment" at the end of June.
If it passes -- this constitutional amendment will give one of the Nation's
"proudest and most treasured symbols the protection it deserves" said Senate
Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN).
Polls have shown that roughly 80% of the American people want to vote on the
right to protect the flag. In addition, all 50 state legislatures have
passed resolutions asking Congress to pass an amendment -- to be sent back
to the states for debate and ratification, according to the Republican
National Committee.
"Clearly, the American people have spoken. It's time for the Senate to
listen," said Frist.
"That flag represents all that we are -- all that we stand for. Freedom.
Liberty. It represents so much to so many. And I believe we have a moral
obligation to rise as a body and declare that it is wrong to burn the flag
of the United States of America," he said.
--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
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| User: "LAmazone" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 07:55:40 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Those who don't like it should pack up and move the hell out. "America: Love
it or Leave it!"
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12930.html#
Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely
The Senate will debate the "Flag Protection Amendment" at the end of June.
If it passes -- this constitutional amendment will give one of the Nation's
"proudest and most treasured symbols the protection it deserves" said Senate
Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN).
Polls have shown that roughly 80% of the American people want to vote on the
right to protect the flag. In addition, all 50 state legislatures have
passed resolutions asking Congress to pass an amendment -- to be sent back
to the states for debate and ratification, according to the Republican
National Committee.
"Clearly, the American people have spoken. It's time for the Senate to
listen," said Frist.
"That flag represents all that we are -- all that we stand for. Freedom.
Liberty. It represents so much to so many. And I believe we have a moral
obligation to rise as a body and declare that it is wrong to burn the flag
of the United States of America," he said.
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" The truth shall set you free "
The Republicans have this desire to tweak and bend the US Constitution to
enshrine their own prejudices and fears...
Using an amendment to restrict expression, however abhorrent that expression is,
is still a gross misuse of the document.
It should be noted that the only two presidents impeached were democrats,
impeached by republican congresses, both to remove inconvienient
presidents.....both attempts saw the presidents involved found "not guilty"
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I have
better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
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| User: "OrionCA" |
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| Title: Re: Constitution Amendment Protecting American Flag Likely |
09 Mar 2006 08:57:43 AM |
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:55:40 GMT, L'Amazone
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
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" The truth shall set you free "
The Republicans have this desire to tweak and bend the US Constitution to
enshrine their own prejudices and fears..
That would be the "prejudices and fears" of ~80% of the American
people in this case, I'm afraid. It's a funny thing how advocates of
"perfect freedom" never seem to quite grasp the concept of
"responsibility", as if these are two different, unrelated things. If
you want freedom of speech in general you have to accept that people
who yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater are going to go to jail anyway..
If you want freedom then those who abuse the privileges of freedom
have to be punished or the people WILL chuck the whole "freedom" thing
as a bad idea. And you along with it.
--
"Even as the Times defended Echelon as "a necessity"
in 1999, evidence already existed that the Clintonites
had misused electronic surveillance for political
purposes. Intelligence officials told Insight magazine
in 1997 that they had spied on a 1993 conference of
Asian and Pacific world leaders in Seattle hosted by
Clinton and some of that information was passed on to
big Democratic corporate donors for use against their
competitors."
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/60314.htm
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