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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "LiberalsAreEvil"
Date: 15 Aug 2006 09:56:20 PM
Object: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes?
Wednesday, May 3, 2006 12:42 p.m. EDT
Iran Went Nuclear Despite Secret Clinton Deal
A secret 1995 agreement between the Clinton administration and then-Russian
Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin was supposed to halt the transfer of
nuclear technology and military equipment to Iran.
But when the Russians continued to help build Iran's premier nuclear
facility at Bushehr, the White House refused to impose sanctions.
Under the accord hammered out by Chernomyrdin and then-Vice President Al
Gore, Russia had agreed to end all weapons sales to Iran by Dec. 31, 1999.
But after uncovering the confidential arrangement, the New York Times
reported that the deal "essentially exempted Russia from American sanctions
on arms deliveries to Iran [and] emboldened Moscow to ignore other
agreements, particularly on sales of missile and nuclear technology to
Iran."
"It was one more of these strange deals that Gore and Chernomyrdin had that
were kept from people," complained Gordon C. Oehler, who directed the
Nonproliferation Center of the Central Intelligence Agency until he retired
in 1998.
Oehler told the Times: "If this had been disclosed to Congress, the
committees would have gone berserk, absolutely. But the larger problem is,
if you have these under-the-table deals that give the Russians permission to
do these things, it gives the signal that it's O.K. to do other things."
Within a few years the Russians reportedly had 600 scientists working at the
Bushehr nuclear plant.
When Sen. John McCain found out about the secret Gore deal, he complained
that continued Russian defiance "should have triggered sanctions against
Moscow" under the Iran-Iraq Arms Nonproliferation Act.
"If the administration has acquiesced," fumed McCain, "then I believe they
have violated both the intent and the letter of the law."
The Russians insisted that despite the secret accord, they were obligated to
complete Bushehr, saying the deal they signed with Tehran preceded the
Gore-Chernomyrdin agreement.
By Nov. 2000, however, then-Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani simply
announced that the Gore deal was "dead and buried," a statement that
prompted no objections by the Russians.

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User: "Cisco Kid"

Title: Re: Clinton - 66% Approval; Bush - 33% Approval 15 Aug 2006 10:51:55 PM
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User: ""

Title: Re: Clinton = WASHED UP 15 Aug 2006 11:06:36 PM
Cisco Kid wrote:

Anti-American Communist BS

Slick Willie's days are OVER!
So, pull the head out of your *****, long enough to stop pushing in each
other's stools, and learn to stop being a Blame-America-First
abortionist queen.
- Stewart
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User: "Cisco Kid"

Title: Re: Clinton = WASHED UP (You Wish...) 16 Aug 2006 09:36:27 AM
<horseshoe7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Cisco Kid wrote:

Anti-American Communist BS


Slick Willie's days are OVER!

You wish...

So, pull the head out of your *****, long enough to stop pushing in each
other's stools, and learn to stop being a Blame-America-First
abortionist queen.

- Stewart

If you haven't realized by now that George Bush and his neocon henchmen have
steered this country down the wrong path, then it's you who has your head in
the wrong orifice.
Ponder this - Where will George W be after he leaves office? Will he remain
a viable voice in American politics as has Clinton? Nah, he'll be
relegated to the scrap heap like his old man, like Reagan, like Ford, like
Nixon.
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User: "Roedy Green"

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes? 17 Aug 2006 01:26:11 AM
If your enemies have nukes pointed at you, you want some too as a
deterrent. It is that simple. If you want to convince people they
don't need nukes, you have to get rid of yours too. The USA and Israel
are not willing to cut back. So they have stimulated the world wide
demand. Those nukes are simply to deter the aggressive USA and
Israel.
Further, the USA has trampled non-nuclear powers such as Panama,
Afghanistan, Iraq, Nicaragua, Guatemala, ... The only way to ensure
the USA never attacks, as proved by North Korea, is to have nukes.
This proliferation makes for a very dangerous world that will
eventually terminate the human experiment. If the USA and Israel did
not have nukes, and had not made such a habit of invading whomever
they pleased, nobody would need nukes.
Go read up on the history of arms limitation. It is always the
Americans throwing a monkey wrench into the works. They think everyone
else should be disarmed but them. That is nuts since the USA does more
invading than anyone else. Further, they need nukes less than anyone
since they have such a spectacularly large conventional military
force, bigger than everyone else combined. However, Americans are
also the world's most paranoid country.
If we don't somehow break this logjam and get nukes out of the world's
arsenals, we as a species will do ourselves in, over some trivial
dispute, like Israel wanting more of Lebanon's water.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
See links to the Lebanon photos that Google censored at
http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
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User: "Roger"

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes? 16 Aug 2006 01:40:09 AM
It's obvious why you don't list your source:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/3/124633.shtml
"LiberalsAreEvil" <LibsHateAmerica@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:fPvEg.17175$Nx4.3490@bignews8.bellsouth.net...

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 12:42 p.m. EDT
Iran Went Nuclear Despite Secret Clinton Deal


A secret 1995 agreement between the Clinton administration and
then-Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin was supposed to halt the
transfer of nuclear technology and military equipment to Iran.

But when the Russians continued to help build Iran's premier nuclear
facility at Bushehr, the White House refused to impose sanctions.

Under the accord hammered out by Chernomyrdin and then-Vice President Al
Gore, Russia had agreed to end all weapons sales to Iran by Dec. 31, 1999.

But after uncovering the confidential arrangement, the New York Times
reported that the deal "essentially exempted Russia from American
sanctions on arms deliveries to Iran [and] emboldened Moscow to ignore
other agreements, particularly on sales of missile and nuclear technology
to Iran."


"It was one more of these strange deals that Gore and Chernomyrdin had
that were kept from people," complained Gordon C. Oehler, who directed the
Nonproliferation Center of the Central Intelligence Agency until he
retired in 1998.
Oehler told the Times: "If this had been disclosed to Congress, the
committees would have gone berserk, absolutely. But the larger problem is,
if you have these under-the-table deals that give the Russians permission
to do these things, it gives the signal that it's O.K. to do other
things."

Within a few years the Russians reportedly had 600 scientists working at
the Bushehr nuclear plant.

When Sen. John McCain found out about the secret Gore deal, he complained
that continued Russian defiance "should have triggered sanctions against
Moscow" under the Iran-Iraq Arms Nonproliferation Act.

"If the administration has acquiesced," fumed McCain, "then I believe they
have violated both the intent and the letter of the law."

The Russians insisted that despite the secret accord, they were obligated
to complete Bushehr, saying the deal they signed with Tehran preceded the
Gore-Chernomyrdin agreement.
By Nov. 2000, however, then-Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani simply
announced that the Gore deal was "dead and buried," a statement that
prompted no objections by the Russians.




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User: "bushlied"

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes? 15 Aug 2006 09:59:38 PM
LiberalsAreEvil wrote:

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 12:42 p.m. EDT
Iran Went Nuclear Despite Secret Clinton Deal


A secret 1995 agreement between the Clinton administration and then-Russian
Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin was supposed to halt the transfer of
nuclear technology and military equipment to Iran.

But when the Russians continued to help build Iran's premier nuclear
facility at Bushehr, the White House refused to impose sanctions.

Under the accord hammered out by Chernomyrdin and then-Vice President Al
Gore, Russia had agreed to end all weapons sales to Iran by Dec. 31, 1999.

But after uncovering the confidential arrangement, the New York Times
reported that the deal "essentially exempted Russia from American sanctions
on arms deliveries to Iran [and] emboldened Moscow to ignore other
agreements, particularly on sales of missile and nuclear technology to
Iran."


"It was one more of these strange deals that Gore and Chernomyrdin had that
were kept from people," complained Gordon C. Oehler, who directed the
Nonproliferation Center of the Central Intelligence Agency until he retired
in 1998.
Oehler told the Times: "If this had been disclosed to Congress, the
committees would have gone berserk, absolutely. But the larger problem is,
if you have these under-the-table deals that give the Russians permission to
do these things, it gives the signal that it's O.K. to do other things."

Within a few years the Russians reportedly had 600 scientists working at the
Bushehr nuclear plant.

When Sen. John McCain found out about the secret Gore deal, he complained
that continued Russian defiance "should have triggered sanctions against
Moscow" under the Iran-Iraq Arms Nonproliferation Act.

"If the administration has acquiesced," fumed McCain, "then I believe they
have violated both the intent and the letter of the law."

The Russians insisted that despite the secret accord, they were obligated to
complete Bushehr, saying the deal they signed with Tehran preceded the
Gore-Chernomyrdin agreement.
By Nov. 2000, however, then-Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani simply
announced that the Gore deal was "dead and buried," a statement that
prompted no objections by the Russians.

Do you have any proof of this
And what did Bush, your hero, do about this for the last six years
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User: "LiberalsAreEvil"

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes? 15 Aug 2006 10:06:07 PM
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1999/df102300.htm

Do you have any proof of this

And what did Bush, your hero, do about this for the last six years

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User: "carlos"

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Republicans flip-flopped 15 Aug 2006 10:30:21 PM
LiberalsAreEvil wrote:

http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1999/df102300.htm






Do you have any proof of this

And what did Bush, your hero, do about this for the last six years

Hello,
Thanks for the cite.
According to the source, this was already investigated by the Senate
Committee on Foreign Relations. The citation you provide is a press
release, more or less, advertising the impending hearings by the
Republican-dominated committee. The hearings came to nothing.
Then we learn, according to the Republican Policy Committee, that the
New York Times originally broke the story about the alledged
law-breaking by Gore.
I thought we were supposed to believe that the NYT is an ultra-liberal
mouthpiece for Gore and his ilk.
Then, it's funny that the Republicans then were alleging that Clinton
and Gore had usurped the power of the Senate and ignored laws they
didn't like, and maintained that it was wrong to do that.
Now the Republicans have flip-flopped to the opposite view. Now they
think it's just fine for the president to ignore the law.
Further, the Republicans were upset that Clinton and Gore hadn't fully
briefed them on the issue.
Now the Republicans are happy to be kept in the dark by the president.
What a bunch of flip-flopping hypocrites.
Thanks again for the cite.
Carlos
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User: "bushlied"

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes? 15 Aug 2006 10:10:18 PM
LiberalsAreEvil wrote:

http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1999/df102300.htm






Do you have any proof of this

And what did Bush, your hero, do about this for the last six years

Republican policy committee.
Give me a break.
How about a VERIFIABLE NEW SOURCE
.
User: "Roger"

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes? 16 Aug 2006 01:41:18 AM
"bushlied" <applycan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155697818.778241.203620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


LiberalsAreEvil wrote:

http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1999/df102300.htm






Do you have any proof of this

And what did Bush, your hero, do about this for the last six years


Republican policy committee.

Give me a break.

How about a VERIFIABLE NEW SOURCE

You're looking for facts? Righties don't do facts.
.
User: "sss"

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes? 16 Aug 2006 09:38:13 PM
Roger wrote:

"bushlied" <applycan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155697818.778241.203620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


LiberalsAreEvil wrote:

http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1999/df102300.htm






Do you have any proof of this

And what did Bush, your hero, do about this for the last six years


Republican policy committee.

Give me a break.

How about a VERIFIABLE NEW SOURCE


You're looking for facts? Righties don't do facts.

Sorry, I forgot
.



User: "George Grapman"

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes? 15 Aug 2006 10:20:24 PM
LiberalsAreEvil wrote:

http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1999/df102300.htm


Why did you post a GOP press release about an upcoming investigation
rather than the results of that probe?
--
To reply via e-mail please delete 1 c from paccbell
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User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: Damn, Looks like Clinton helped all our enemies get Nukes? 17 Aug 2006 01:42:41 AM
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:56:20 -0400, "LiberalsAreEvil"
<LibsHateAmerica@earthlink.net> wrote:

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 12:42 p.m. EDT
Iran Went Nuclear Despite Secret Clinton Deal


A secret 1995 agreement between the Clinton administration and then-Russian
Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin was supposed to halt the transfer of
nuclear technology and military equipment to Iran.

But when the Russians continued to help build Iran's premier nuclear
facility at Bushehr, the White House refused to impose sanctions.

Because it was pursuant to a preexisting contract signed before the US
sanctions went into effect.
The agreement between the US and Russia applied to new contracts.
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