Politics > Politics-USA > Defining Moment for America: Republican president goes to Congress to lobby for torture
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15 Sep 2006 08:08:06 AM |
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Defining Moment for America: Republican president goes to Congress to lobby for torture |
From a Washington Post editorial, 9/15/06:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/14/AR2006091401587.html
A Defining Moment for America
The president goes to Capitol Hill to lobby for torture.
Friday, September 15, 2006; Page A18
PRESIDENT BUSH rarely visits Congress.
So it was a measure of his painfully skewed priorities that Mr. Bush
made the unaccustomed trip yesterday to seek legislative permission
for the CIA to make people disappear into secret prisons and have
information extracted from them by means he dare not describe
publicly.
Of course, Mr. Bush didn't come out and say he's lobbying for torture.
Instead he refers to "an alternative set of procedures" for
interrogation.
But the administration no longer conceals what it wants.
It wants authorization for the CIA to hide detainees in overseas
prisons where even the International Committee of the Red Cross won't
have access.
It wants permission to interrogate those detainees with abusive
practices that in the past have included induced hypothermia and
"waterboarding," or simulated drowning.
And it wants the right to try such detainees, and perhaps sentence
them to death, on the basis of evidence that the defendants cannot see
and that may have been extracted during those abusive interrogation
sessions.
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The Unites States of America has become Bushworld.
Harry
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| User: "John R Rybock" |
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| Title: Re: Defining Moment for America: Republican president goes to Congress to lobby for torture |
16 Sep 2006 11:46:16 AM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
From a Washington Post editorial, 9/15/06:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/14/AR2006091401587.html
A Defining Moment for America
I like how Consitutional Law Professor Jonathan Turley put it. A rought
transcript: "This is not a defining moment, it is a RE-defining moment.
Our defining moment came in 1787, when we definied ourselves in a
consitutional document that committed us to the rule of law. And what
would happen here if we embraced torture at the President's invitation
would be to redefine ourselves, and we would become something that we
have long fought against."
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| User: "John R Rybock" |
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| Title: Re: Defining Moment for America: Republican president goes to Congress to lobby for torture |
16 Sep 2006 11:46:19 AM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
From a Washington Post editorial, 9/15/06:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/14/AR2006091401587.html
A Defining Moment for America
I like how Consitutional Law Professor Jonathan Turley put it. A rought
transcript: "This is not a defining moment, it is a RE-defining moment.
Our defining moment came in 1787, when we definied ourselves in a
consitutional document that committed us to the rule of law. And what
would happen here if we embraced torture at the President's invitation
would be to redefine ourselves, and we would become something that we
have long fought against."
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| User: "JustLooking" |
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| Title: Re: Defining Moment for America: Republican president goes to Congress to lobby for torture |
15 Sep 2006 10:53:28 AM |
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Iraq's interior ministry has announced plans to increase security in Baghdad
by digging trenches around the city, and surrounding it with checkpoints.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5349398.stm
The new republic of Baghdad - free and democratic!
BWAAA HAAAA HAAAA - REPUBLICAN IDIOTS AT WORK!
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8n9lg2tmt7pskurha151g4u2u3okb2o2md@4ax.com...
From a Washington Post editorial, 9/15/06:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/14/AR2006091401587.html
A Defining Moment for America
The president goes to Capitol Hill to lobby for torture.
Friday, September 15, 2006; Page A18
PRESIDENT BUSH rarely visits Congress.
So it was a measure of his painfully skewed priorities that Mr. Bush
made the unaccustomed trip yesterday to seek legislative permission
for the CIA to make people disappear into secret prisons and have
information extracted from them by means he dare not describe
publicly.
Of course, Mr. Bush didn't come out and say he's lobbying for torture.
Instead he refers to "an alternative set of procedures" for
interrogation.
But the administration no longer conceals what it wants.
It wants authorization for the CIA to hide detainees in overseas
prisons where even the International Committee of the Red Cross won't
have access.
It wants permission to interrogate those detainees with abusive
practices that in the past have included induced hypothermia and
"waterboarding," or simulated drowning.
And it wants the right to try such detainees, and perhaps sentence
them to death, on the basis of evidence that the defendants cannot see
and that may have been extracted during those abusive interrogation
sessions.
_______________________________________________________
The Unites States of America has become Bushworld.
Harry
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| User: "The PretZel" |
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| Title: Re: Defining Moment for America: Republican president goes to Congress to lobby for torture |
15 Sep 2006 11:46:40 AM |
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On 2006-09-15 08:53:28 -0700, "JustLooking" <bgthy@htyredrf.net> said:
Iraq's interior ministry has announced plans to increase security in Baghdad
by digging trenches around the city, and surrounding it with checkpoints.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5349398.stm
The new republic of Baghdad - free and democratic!
BWAAA HAAAA HAAAA - REPUBLICAN IDIOTS AT WORK!
Great.
Fill it with water and alligators and top it with a drawbridge.
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8n9lg2tmt7pskurha151g4u2u3okb2o2md@4ax.com...
From a Washington Post editorial, 9/15/06:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/14/AR2006091401587.html
A
Defining Moment for America
The president goes to Capitol Hill to lobby for torture.
Friday, September 15, 2006; Page A18
PRESIDENT BUSH rarely visits Congress.
So it was a measure of his painfully skewed priorities that Mr. Bush
made the unaccustomed trip yesterday to seek legislative permission
for the CIA to make people disappear into secret prisons and have
information extracted from them by means he dare not describe
publicly.
Of course, Mr. Bush didn't come out and say he's lobbying for torture.
Instead he refers to "an alternative set of procedures" for
interrogation.
But the administration no longer conceals what it wants.
It wants authorization for the CIA to hide detainees in overseas
prisons where even the International Committee of the Red Cross won't
have access.
It wants permission to interrogate those detainees with abusive
practices that in the past have included induced hypothermia and
"waterboarding," or simulated drowning.
And it wants the right to try such detainees, and perhaps sentence
them to death, on the basis of evidence that the defendants cannot see
and that may have been extracted during those abusive interrogation
sessions.
_______________________________________________________
The Unites States of America has become Bushworld.
Harry
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own government. Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their
notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."
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