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John B. wrote:

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2678745

Hoyer: Iraqis Must Take Responsibility
Incoming House Majority Leader Says Democrats Will Press for New
Direction in Iraq War

By NATASHA T. METZLER

WASHINGTON Nov 25, 2006 (AP)- American support for the fledgling
Iraqi
government is not unconditional, and Iraq should expect changes in
the
U.S. role, incoming House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Saturday.

"In the days ahead, the Iraqis must make the tough decisions and
accept responsibility for their future," Hoyer, D-Md., said during
the
weekly Democratic radio address. "And the Iraqis must know: Our
commitment, while great, is not unending."

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As expected, nothing has changed. Dems are controlled by Israel just
like the repugs are.

Read it again. Hoyer did not say Iraqis are to blame fot the condition
of their country. He said they're going to have to start exercising
some control because we can't stay there forever. What's wrong with
that?

We broke it... shouldn't we fix it? Obviously, Iraqi society has been
decimated and left in shambles. How could they fix the horrors we've
put onto them? Threatening the Iraqis that we'll abandon them if they
don't fix our mess is an insult... an ugly statement.

What are people like Hoyer saying, then, if their statements are not
veiled threats to abandon Iraq in such a sorry state?

You're right, he didn't blame the Iraqis for causing their dilemna...
we did that. But he IS saying that they must fix our mess, isn't he?

America should stay and REBUILD that country, in my opinion. Not walk
away.

"We broke it... shouldn't we fix it?"

Not necessarily.

Perhaps the Bush family fortune could fund fixing Iraq.

That would be just, but we know it's not going to happen that way.
Bush did it while serv... uh, make that, hurting us as President of the
United States. We, as a nation, are left "holding the bag".

I detest Bush, but as I've posted previously, I'm not in favor of
simply packing up and leaving the Bush-created cesspool that is Iraq.

I've said all along we just need better strategies and more competent
leadership. Personally, I think we've made such a mess we'll need to
stick around for a long while trying to restore order in that area of
the world. But, not with the same approach as was envisioned by the
Bush regime, but as humans that stand for doing the right thing, not
seizing a nation for exploitation.

Remember, during the Gulf War so competently conducted by Junior's dad,
the Iraqi military barely resisted. They followed orders and
surrendered en masse. Then, even during ten long years of harsh
sanctions, even with their children dying as a result, the Iraqis never
threatened or attacked even one American.

Just prior to Bush's assault, they offered to agree to any and all
conditions for a thorough inspection as to whether they indeed had
weapons of mass destruction. When Bush ignored this and quickly
attacked anyway, again, their military barely resisted.

The criminal Bush invasion was wrong, and has been conducted with
extreme incompetence. Most Americans have come to realize as much.
Many Americans say we need to stop the killing of Iraq and bring our
abused military men and women home.

This is understandable, but I think shortsighted. To leave this
cesspool to the manipulations of extremist and Iranian hardliners and,
certainly not least of all, as a bloodbath of a horrific civil war, is
wrong.

I was never for the war to begin with. Bush and American hardliners
did it. But, we as a nation must fix it. For us, and for the Iraqis.
For humanity. For history.

It won't be easy, but I think we have no choice but to try to bring
some measure of stability back to the region. I even have ideas on how
we should do it.

We need talented, insightful diplomats handling matters moreso than
military stategists, although we need the best we have for that end of
the matter as well.

We need to show all of the suffering a way out... and once hostilities
are reduced enough that Baghdad is more than just a killing field, we
need to begin to do the right things for the Iraqi people. We cannot
make them into our mold. Bushists were wrong about this from the
start, although I don't think they ever truly believed it themselves,
but instead thought they could militarily force the country to behave
as we ordered.

Nonetheless, we need to bring the various factions to the table. We
need to enlist the help of the world community, the United Nations
included, and to work diligently to address the problems we've created.

The Sunni-dominant government was tossed into the streets. Compared to
the Shiites, the Sunni's were more educated, more liberal and more
secular. Yet, simply because Saddam Hussein was one by birth (but not
particularly personally religious) and his political party was largely
composed of them, the Bushists saw them as enemies. The Baathists, the
military and the police were tossed into the streets... made jobless
and desperate.

Once the Bushists realized that it was being revealed to the world that
their claim that they attacked Iraq was either in error or intentfully
false, they started claiming they were there to spread "democracy".
But, that meant the less-educated, more fundamentalist class of people,
the Shiites, would dominate Iraq's government since, in a democracy,
majority rules.

This opened up new problems, for the Shiites are closely allied with
the American "enemy" Iran, also ruled by fundamentalist Shiites. Of
course, the Shiites played along, realizing that their sect would stand
to gain control of the governence of Iraq through America's ploys.

So, the point of these points about the Sunnis is this: Their
inclusion into talks about the future of Iraq should be made a
priority.

I think a long-term strategy to rebuild the nation's infrastructure - a
Marshall Plan of sort - is our responsibility. We broke it... we
should fix it.

Sure, it's not an endeavor we would look forward to, and certainly its
a strain to afford it, but we could afford to destroy these people's
homeland... and therefore we must afford to fix it back up.

Obviously, as the shortsighted Bushists have revealed (but not
learned), you cannot rebuild that country's infrastructure unless you
have order and security. That is task one. You begin to achieve this
by talking... something the Bushists don't believe in as a matter of
philosophy. But, we must talk, and we must be inclusive.

Ultimately, the Iraqi people are but humans just like us. Most want
their children to be happy and enjoy life. They want a good meal and
friends around during their holidays. They want to feel pride in their
culture. Very few are likely to be real anarcists, though we'll have
to deal with a number of these as well. But, first, with sense and
sensitivity, we begin to build bridges between the fighting sects and
ourselves. In time, when security permits, we - and I include the
world communities to give us assistance and credibility - we begin to
rebuild. We display kindness, not arrogance. We apologize... yes,
apologize!

In the long run, we may end up with a small foothold in this region of
the world, and may help prevent further extremely dangerous risks to
the American way of life caused by the Bush regime. But we won't do it
just for that, we'll do it the right way because we have to... because
we're a people with honor.

When some measure of security is gained, all levels of American society
should pitch in for this rebuild. School children should come up with
ideas of how to do their part to help Iraqi children. American mothers
of US soldiers should reach out to grieving mothers in Iraq. And so
on.

This is how it should be. We should not walk out on this mess of
Bush's creation. He was, unfortunately, representing us when he
destroyed Iraq, one of the oldest civilizations on earth. It is for us
to fix it as best as we can.

No, don't just pullout from Iraq. Do the right thing. With honor.