From Salon, 8/28/07:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/08/28/chertoff/
Did Chertoff lie to Congress about Guantánamo?
He told the Senate that Pentagon interrogation methods were "plain
vanilla," but e-mails reveal his top staff met weekly with FBI
officials who said they were torture.
By Mark Benjamin
WASHINGTON --
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will leave office Sept. 17 with a
reputation for being untruthful.
During his repeated appearances before Congress earlier this year to
explain the firing of eight U.S. attorneys, Gonzales answered "I don't
recall" or some variation as many as 70 times at a sitting.
When his replacement comes to Capitol Hill for confirmation, lawmakers
hope they will hear nothing but the truth.
But one of the men most often mentioned as his replacement may have
some of the same trouble with the truth.
Since rumors of Gonzales' departure surfaced last week, speculation
about his successor has centered on Michael Chertoff, the secretary of
the Department of Homeland Security.
Just as Gonzales, under oath before Congress, failed to recall whether
there was dissension within the Bush administration over a
controversial war-on-terror-related policy, so Michael Chertoff seems
to have suffered a similar lapse of memory while under oath before
Congress when pressed on a different terror-related policy.
Gonzales pleaded ignorance of a rift within the administration over
warrantless wiretapping;
Chertoff has denied knowledge of interrogation techniques that are
tantamount to torture, despite regular attendance by his top aides at
meetings on the subject.
"If Mr. Chertoff is nominated, the Senate needs to ask him some very
tough questions about what he knew about the abuses at Guantánamo,"
said Hina Shamsi from Human Rights First.
When Chertoff appeared before the Senate Committee on Homeland
Security and Governmental Affairs on Feb. 2, 2005, the subject was not
interrogations.
The panel was weighing Chertoff's nomination to his current post as
secretary of homeland security.
He was promptly confronted on the topic, however, by Sen. Carl Levin,
D-Mich.
Levin's staff had dug up copies of curious FBI e-mail traffic about
interrogations at the Guantánamo prison in 2002 and 2003, when
Chertoff was head of the criminal division at the Department of
Justice.
That was a pivotal year at the military prison.
The Pentagon was institutionalizing a brutal interrogation program
approved by then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
Interrogation teams at the prison employed forced nudity, sleep
deprivation, isolation and sexual humiliation, among other tactics.
During that time, for example, a detainee named Mohammed al-Kahtani
was forced to stand naked in front of a female interrogator, to wear
women's underwear, and to perform "dog tricks" on a leash.
He was interrogated for 18 to 20 hours on 48 out of 54 consecutive
days.
FBI interrogators assigned to Guantánamo had balked at the methods
employed by the DOD.
Given its long institutional knowledge about legal and effective
interrogations, the FBI thought the military interrogations were
extremely problematic.
E-mail strings documenting the FBI's objections have been well
publicized.
At the February 2005 hearing, Levin questioned Chertoff about an
e-mail obtained by Levin's staff:
a May 10, 2004, communication from one FBI official, with the name
redacted, to another FBI official, T.J. Harrington.
The e-mail rehashes the FBI objections to the military interrogations
at Guantánamo back in 2002.
That FBI e-mail discusses the bureau's concerns at some length.
It also divulges weekly meetings with officials from the Justice
Department's criminal division, in which "we often discussed DOD
techniques and how they were not effective or producing intel that was
reliable."
Chertoff was the head of the DOJ's criminal division from 2001 until
the spring of 2003.
The e-mail says that four people from the department's criminal
division attended those meetings and that those attendees "all agreed
DOD tactics were going to be an issue" if the government tried to
prosecute Guantánamo prisoners.
In the copy of the e-mail obtained by Levin, the names of those four
criminal division officials had been redacted.
Under questioning from Levin that day in 2005, Chertoff disavowed any
knowledge of abusive interrogation techniques being employed at
Guantánamo and said he was unaware of those meetings.
"I was not aware during my tenure at the Department of Justice that
there were practices at Guantánamo, if there were practices at
Guantánamo, that would be torture or anything even approaching
torture," Chertoff told Levin.
He told the committee he was unaware of "any use of techniques in
Guantánamo that were anything other than what I would describe as kind
of plain vanilla ... I do not know what the meetings being referred to
are, what the techniques are being referred to, and who the people
are."
Chertoff was sworn in to the Homeland Security post on Feb. 15, 2005,
two weeks after the back-and-forth with Levin.
A month later, after pressuring the Justice Department, Levin obtained
another version of the same FBI e-mail describing meetings about
torture.
It still contained redactions, but it does list the names of the DOJ
criminal division officials who attended the meetings with the FBI.
One of them was Alice Fisher, Chertoff's top deputy.
Chertoff's counsel, David Nahmias, also attended, as did two other
senior criminal division officials, Bruce Swartz and Laura Parsky.
Swartz, the e-mail showed, had relayed the FBI's concerns to the
Defense Department's Office of the General Counsel.
If some of Chertoff's top staff were involved in weekly meetings in
which "the DOD techniques" were discussed, it remains unclear how he
could be totally unaware of any of those discussions.
"The secretary always testifies truthfully," said Laura Keehner, a DHS
spokeswoman.
Other close observers of these developments are not so sure.
"Either he lied to Congress or he is a very out-of-the-loop manager of
the division," said Caroline Fredrickson, legislative director of the
ACLU.
"It smacks of Alberto Gonzales saying he did not know anything about
these U.S. attorney firings."
And if Chertoff is nominated, it is also unclear how much this
questionable history will matter when he faces another Senate hearing.
"This is unresolved," Fredrickson said, "which means Congress needs to
resolve it."
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