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"Grass roots" |
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11 Jun 2005 10:10:04 PM |
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Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
In Cal Thomas' Fox News broadcast "Column One" today, he says that there's a
new reason to close the border to illegals from Mexico. Tuberculosis. It was
wiped out in this country, but some of the illegals now entering California
from Mexico, are now being found with a drug resistant strain that costs a
***million dollars a person*** to treat!
Thomas says that this gives us a reason to close our borders to illegals and
patrol them, to protect the American people from an epidemic of the stuff.
--
Grassroots
United States of America
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
12 Jun 2005 08:10:15 AM |
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Grass roots wrote:
In Cal Thomas' Fox News broadcast "Column One" today, he says that there's a
new reason to close the border to illegals from Mexico. Tuberculosis. It was
wiped out in this country, but some of the illegals now entering California
from Mexico, are now being found with a drug resistant strain that costs a
***million dollars a person*** to treat!
Thomas says that this gives us a reason to close our borders to illegals and
patrol them, to protect the American people from an epidemic of the stuff.
It's also an argument for government funded single payer health insurance.
If these people were treated, they wouldn't develop drug resistance, and
they wouldn't spread it to us.
As for cost shifting to the rest of us for their care, these illegals
have to work somewhere, so bill their employers for the cost of the
medical coverage.
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| User: "Ms Liberty - USA" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
12 Jun 2005 01:36:58 PM |
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PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote :
Grass roots wrote:
In Cal Thomas' Fox News broadcast "Column One" today, he says that
there's a new reason to close the border to illegals from Mexico.
Tuberculosis. It was wiped out in this country, but some of the
illegals now entering California from Mexico, are now being found with
a drug resistant strain that costs a ***million dollars a person*** to
treat!
Thomas says that this gives us a reason to close our borders to
illegals and patrol them, to protect the American people from an
epidemic of the stuff.
It's also an argument for government funded single payer health
insurance.
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal, SOCIALIST
MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
If these people were treated, they wouldn't develop drug resistance, and
they wouldn't spread it to us.
At a million dollars each? Let them get treated in Mexico! Why should
Americans be enslaved to treat them?!
As for cost shifting to the rest of us for their care, these illegals
have to work somewhere, so bill their employers for the cost of the
medical coverage.
Oh yeah, right, I'm sure an employer who wants to hire them for $3 an hour,
is interested in paying $1 million each to treat their TB.
--
Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
The Planetary Bill of Individual Rights project needs major startup
funding: http://upalliance.blogspot.com/
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| User: "nospam" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
12 Jun 2005 07:34:46 PM |
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Ms Liberty - USA wrote:
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal, SOCIALIST
MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Because no one with some education is going to make confusion betwen
socialism and social democracy.
At a million dollars each? Let them get treated in Mexico! Why should
Americans be enslaved to treat them?!
Some contagious illnesses without antibiotics can be transmitted for months
or even years, while even if not yet curred will not be transmissible after
first week under antibiotics.
Now, let assume your child sit in the metro or movie theater next to a
person in his 8-th day of illness. Would you like that person to be under
antibiotics or not?
Oh yeah, right, I'm sure an employer who wants to hire them for $3 an
hour, is interested in paying $1 million each to treat their TB.
With a universal health care system that employer will not pay a million,
but a fair share it can afford. But some uncivilized extreme right
activists oppose the only health care system compatible with human dignity.
Let be clear, I do not advocate open borders here. But let face it.
The private health insurance system is ultimately a serious danger to
national security. Keep in mind that a very contagious disses can be brought
not only by illegal immigrants, but by lawfully admitted visitors, which
are terrorists bringing a self inflicted illness as a weapon.
We have 40 Mil possible germ vectors who know that they can not afford to
see a doctor, therefore they will not receive antibiotics in time to stop
the epidemic. When they finally go to emergency room, hundreds can be
infected. From them, a couple of uninsured who will not see a doctor
until .........
And for what? Because some insurance shareholders were generous during
the election campain !!!
Greediness can kill the cat !!!
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
14 Jun 2005 04:01:17 AM |
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Ms Liberty - USA wrote:
PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote :
Grass roots wrote:
In Cal Thomas' Fox News broadcast "Column One" today, he says that
there's a new reason to close the border to illegals from Mexico.
Tuberculosis. It was wiped out in this country, but some of the
illegals now entering California from Mexico, are now being found with
a drug resistant strain that costs a ***million dollars a person*** to
treat!
Thomas says that this gives us a reason to close our borders to
illegals and patrol them, to protect the American people from an
epidemic of the stuff.
It's also an argument for government funded single payer health
insurance.
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal, SOCIALIST
MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Humm, actually corporations are starting to come around on this. GM, for
example, would love to have their retirees covered by single payer, and
thus reduce their liability and make them more competative.
GM and others are hardly communist.
If these people were treated, they wouldn't develop drug resistance, and
they wouldn't spread it to us.
At a million dollars each? Let them get treated in Mexico! Why should
Americans be enslaved to treat them?!
Cost containment, including drug prices are a seperate issue that needs
to be addressed within the US.
It doesn't help when Bush makes it illegal for medicare/medicaid to
negotiate for better prices.
BTW, are you saying that this is capitalism and therefore should be
allowed? It sounds more like big government giving handouts to the drug
companies and has nothing to do with free trade and competative capitalism.
As for cost shifting to the rest of us for their care, these illegals
have to work somewhere, so bill their employers for the cost of the
medical coverage.
Oh yeah, right, I'm sure an employer who wants to hire them for $3 an hour,
is interested in paying $1 million each to treat their TB.
How many billions does Wal-Mart turn over to their stock holders?
They have the money to pay into at least a minimilist single payer plan.
What they do right now is pay nothing, so when a temp Wal-Mart worker
gets sick, those costs are shifted right out of your pocket into the
Wal-Mart stockholders pockets.
Nice of you to do that! Really! No, seriously, why do you allow the
Wal-Marts of the world to operate this way?
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| User: "Native American" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
14 Jun 2005 07:38:58 AM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:bPudnVi2m5lDATPfRVn-qQ@giganews.com...
Ms Liberty - USA wrote:
PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote :
Grass roots wrote:
In Cal Thomas' Fox News broadcast "Column One" today, he says that
there's a new reason to close the border to illegals from Mexico.
Tuberculosis. It was wiped out in this country, but some of the
illegals now entering California from Mexico, are now being found with
a drug resistant strain that costs a ***million dollars a person*** to
treat!
Thomas says that this gives us a reason to close our borders to
illegals and patrol them, to protect the American people from an
epidemic of the stuff.
It's also an argument for government funded single payer health
insurance.
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal, SOCIALIST
MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Humm, actually corporations are starting to come around on this. GM, for
example, would love to have their retirees covered by single payer, and
thus reduce their liability and make them more competative.
"Single payer" (the Left's euphemism for medical care via a
Socialist/Marxist structure) makes them and every other corporation LESS
competitive.
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| User: "entropy" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
14 Jun 2005 08:11:55 AM |
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"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:CdAre.4808$pa3.2729@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal,
SOCIALIST
MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Humm, actually corporations are starting to come around on this. GM, for
example, would love to have their retirees covered by single payer, and
thus reduce their liability and make them more competative.
"Single payer" (the Left's euphemism for medical care via a
Socialist/Marxist structure) makes them and every other corporation LESS
competitive.
Actually they have that now because most companies with a defined pension
plan with medical benefits drop the coverage when the person hits Medicare
age and just picks up the supplemental sometimes. Union contracts vary but
most of them require the folks to go medicare so it is almost there now. It
would not make them more competitve only dropping their pension payments
altogether would do that and Bush is going to let them do it.
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| User: "Native American" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
14 Jun 2005 08:58:35 AM |
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"entropy" <entropy202@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vIAre.319855$cg1.3184@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:CdAre.4808$pa3.2729@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal,
SOCIALIST
MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Humm, actually corporations are starting to come around on this. GM, for
example, would love to have their retirees covered by single payer, and
thus reduce their liability and make them more competative.
"Single payer" (the Left's euphemism for medical care via a
Socialist/Marxist structure) makes them and every other corporation LESS
competitive.
Actually they have that now because most companies with a defined pension
plan with medical benefits drop the coverage when the person hits Medicare
age and just picks up the supplemental sometimes.
I agree. Medicare is a Socialist scheme, and it was cooked up by (you
guessed it) the Democrat Party.
Union contracts vary but
most of them require the folks to go medicare so it is almost there now.
It would not make them more competitve only dropping their pension
payments altogether would do that and Bush is going to let them do it.
Employers shouldn't even be in the health care business. That is somethat
that the individual should purchase for himself, to the extent that he
desires to. Ditto for retirement plans. The Democrats' giant Ponzi scheme
of Social Security should be ENDED, not mended.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
15 Jun 2005 02:46:58 AM |
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Native American wrote:
"entropy" <entropy202@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vIAre.319855$cg1.3184@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:CdAre.4808$pa3.2729@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal,
SOCIALIST
MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Humm, actually corporations are starting to come around on this. GM, for
example, would love to have their retirees covered by single payer, and
thus reduce their liability and make them more competative.
"Single payer" (the Left's euphemism for medical care via a
Socialist/Marxist structure) makes them and every other corporation LESS
competitive.
Actually they have that now because most companies with a defined pension
plan with medical benefits drop the coverage when the person hits Medicare
age and just picks up the supplemental sometimes.
I agree. Medicare is a Socialist scheme, and it was cooked up by (you
guessed it) the Democrat Party.
Union contracts vary but
most of them require the folks to go medicare so it is almost there now.
It would not make them more competitve only dropping their pension
payments altogether would do that and Bush is going to let them do it.
Employers shouldn't even be in the health care business. That is somethat
that the individual should purchase for himself, to the extent that he
desires to. Ditto for retirement plans. The Democrats' giant Ponzi scheme
of Social Security should be ENDED, not mended.
Do you agree then, that the Super Rich should have gotten their tax cut
while the middle class looses Medicare?
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| User: "RTC" |
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14 Jun 2005 07:47:28 AM |
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I'm sure that when your republiconvict ***** is old and wrinkled,
you'll say that you wish you had done more to help the American
corporations stay competitive and profitable, and I'm sure
that they will come to visit you
Productivity helps corporations stay profitable,
secure employees are productive
"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:CdAre.4808$pa3.2729@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:bPudnVi2m5lDATPfRVn-qQ@giganews.com...
Ms Liberty - USA wrote:
PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote :
Grass roots wrote:
In Cal Thomas' Fox News broadcast "Column One" today, he says that
there's a new reason to close the border to illegals from Mexico.
Tuberculosis. It was wiped out in this country, but some of the
illegals now entering California from Mexico, are now being found with
a drug resistant strain that costs a ***million dollars a person*** to
treat!
Thomas says that this gives us a reason to close our borders to
illegals and patrol them, to protect the American people from an
epidemic of the stuff.
It's also an argument for government funded single payer health
insurance.
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal,
SOCIALIST
MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Humm, actually corporations are starting to come around on this. GM, for
example, would love to have their retirees covered by single payer, and
thus reduce their liability and make them more competative.
"Single payer" (the Left's euphemism for medical care via a
Socialist/Marxist structure) makes them and every other corporation LESS
competitive.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
14 Jun 2005 09:55:24 AM |
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"RTC" <Devilhandsome@why.com> wrote in message
news:AlAre.1033$G55.147@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
I'm sure that when your republiconvict ***** is old and wrinkled,
you'll say that you wish you had done more to help the American
corporations stay competitive and profitable, and I'm sure
that they will come to visit you
Productivity helps corporations stay profitable,
secure employees are productive
And socialism leads to the levels of productivity seen in europe.
Those socialist experiments are in the toilet.
You wish to follow this lunacy down the sewer of spiraling ponzi collapse?
Jim E
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
15 Jun 2005 02:45:59 AM |
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Jim E wrote:
"RTC" <Devilhandsome@why.com> wrote in message
news:AlAre.1033$G55.147@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
I'm sure that when your republiconvict ***** is old and wrinkled,
you'll say that you wish you had done more to help the American
corporations stay competitive and profitable, and I'm sure
that they will come to visit you
Productivity helps corporations stay profitable,
secure employees are productive
And socialism leads to the levels of productivity seen in europe.
Those socialist experiments are in the toilet.
You wish to follow this lunacy down the sewer of spiraling ponzi collapse?
Jim E
Europe is not in collapse. What are you talking about?
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| User: "Jim E" |
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15 Jun 2005 10:38:51 PM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:05ydnYJRuMwqQTLfRVn-tw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"RTC" <Devilhandsome@why.com> wrote in message
news:AlAre.1033$G55.147@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
I'm sure that when your republiconvict ***** is old and wrinkled,
you'll say that you wish you had done more to help the American
corporations stay competitive and profitable, and I'm sure
that they will come to visit you
Productivity helps corporations stay profitable,
secure employees are productive
And socialism leads to the levels of productivity seen in europe.
Those socialist experiments are in the toilet.
You wish to follow this lunacy down the sewer of spiraling ponzi
collapse?
Jim E
Europe is not in collapse. What are you talking about?
Oh, just little things like GDP, unemployment rate, you know that stuff that
doesn't bother F'loons.
Jim E
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
16 Jun 2005 02:41:38 AM |
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Jim E wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:05ydnYJRuMwqQTLfRVn-tw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"RTC" <Devilhandsome@why.com> wrote in message
news:AlAre.1033$G55.147@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
I'm sure that when your republiconvict ***** is old and wrinkled,
you'll say that you wish you had done more to help the American
corporations stay competitive and profitable, and I'm sure
that they will come to visit you
Productivity helps corporations stay profitable,
secure employees are productive
And socialism leads to the levels of productivity seen in europe.
Those socialist experiments are in the toilet.
You wish to follow this lunacy down the sewer of spiraling ponzi
collapse?
Jim E
Europe is not in collapse. What are you talking about?
Oh, just little things like GDP, unemployment rate, you know that stuff that
doesn't bother F'loons.
Jim E
Nothing wrong with their GDP.
As for unemployment, our numbers are about the same, if you factor in
that the US drops people from the rolls after six months or so - thus
deluding ourselves about our rate.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
16 Jun 2005 10:02:57 PM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:gIKdnc99Fr6usCzfRVn-pw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:05ydnYJRuMwqQTLfRVn-tw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"RTC" <Devilhandsome@why.com> wrote in message
news:AlAre.1033$G55.147@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
I'm sure that when your republiconvict ***** is old and wrinkled,
you'll say that you wish you had done more to help the American
corporations stay competitive and profitable, and I'm sure
that they will come to visit you
Productivity helps corporations stay profitable,
secure employees are productive
And socialism leads to the levels of productivity seen in europe.
Those socialist experiments are in the toilet.
You wish to follow this lunacy down the sewer of spiraling ponzi
collapse?
Jim E
Europe is not in collapse. What are you talking about?
Oh, just little things like GDP, unemployment rate, you know that stuff
that doesn't bother F'loons.
Jim E
Nothing wrong with their GDP.
As for unemployment, our numbers are about the same, if you factor in that
the US drops people from the rolls after six months or so - thus deluding
ourselves about our rate.
You are either misinformed, or gullible.
Their economies are going into the ditch.
Every time they try to climb a wee bit out of the free lunch socialist death
spiral and ask people to work for their bread, they get demonstrations just
short of national revolt.
Jim E
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
17 Jun 2005 04:28:53 AM |
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Jim E wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:gIKdnc99Fr6usCzfRVn-pw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:05ydnYJRuMwqQTLfRVn-tw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"RTC" <Devilhandsome@why.com> wrote in message
news:AlAre.1033$G55.147@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
I'm sure that when your republiconvict ***** is old and wrinkled,
you'll say that you wish you had done more to help the American
corporations stay competitive and profitable, and I'm sure
that they will come to visit you
Productivity helps corporations stay profitable,
secure employees are productive
And socialism leads to the levels of productivity seen in europe.
Those socialist experiments are in the toilet.
You wish to follow this lunacy down the sewer of spiraling ponzi
collapse?
Jim E
Europe is not in collapse. What are you talking about?
Oh, just little things like GDP, unemployment rate, you know that stuff
that doesn't bother F'loons.
Jim E
Nothing wrong with their GDP.
As for unemployment, our numbers are about the same, if you factor in that
the US drops people from the rolls after six months or so - thus deluding
ourselves about our rate.
You are either misinformed, or gullible.
Their economies are going into the ditch.
Every time they try to climb a wee bit out of the free lunch socialist death
spiral and ask people to work for their bread, they get demonstrations just
short of national revolt.
So they have heathy unions, so what?
Their economies are not 'going into the ditch' as you put it. As a
matter of fact, they're doing better than we are by a number of
measures; one being child death - we're 10'th or 20'th, but why down the
list - they on the other hand are #1, #2, etc.
OK, what about handgun death? Well, the US leads there.
As for the US being on solid ground, we aren't. It's estimated that 25%
of our GDP is based on the current 'housing bubble' and when that one
breaks, as they all do, it's going to be a hard landing.
Jim E
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| User: "Jim E" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
17 Jun 2005 12:29:45 PM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:pqGdnTxjvqBKCi_fRVn-2Q@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:gIKdnc99Fr6usCzfRVn-pw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:05ydnYJRuMwqQTLfRVn-tw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"RTC" <Devilhandsome@why.com> wrote in message
news:AlAre.1033$G55.147@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
I'm sure that when your republiconvict ***** is old and wrinkled,
you'll say that you wish you had done more to help the American
corporations stay competitive and profitable, and I'm sure
that they will come to visit you
Productivity helps corporations stay profitable,
secure employees are productive
And socialism leads to the levels of productivity seen in europe.
Those socialist experiments are in the toilet.
You wish to follow this lunacy down the sewer of spiraling ponzi
collapse?
Jim E
Europe is not in collapse. What are you talking about?
Oh, just little things like GDP, unemployment rate, you know that stuff
that doesn't bother F'loons.
Jim E
Nothing wrong with their GDP.
As for unemployment, our numbers are about the same, if you factor in
that the US drops people from the rolls after six months or so - thus
deluding ourselves about our rate.
You are either misinformed, or gullible.
Their economies are going into the ditch.
Every time they try to climb a wee bit out of the free lunch socialist
death spiral and ask people to work for their bread, they get
demonstrations just short of national revolt.
So they have heathy unions, so what?
Their economies are not 'going into the ditch' as you put it. As a matter
of fact, they're doing better than we are by a number of measures; one
being child death - we're 10'th or 20'th, but why down the list - they on
the other hand are #1, #2, etc.
OK, what about handgun death? Well, the US leads there.
As for the US being on solid ground, we aren't. It's estimated that 25% of
our GDP is based on the current 'housing bubble' and when that one breaks,
as they all do, it's going to be a hard landing.
So sell now and move to france.
Sell the guns too, you can't take them either.
In a few years you can point and laugh at all
the Americans suffering their one nation depression.
<not holding my breath>
Jim E
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
18 Jun 2005 06:04:21 PM |
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In article <pqGdnTxjvqBKCi_fRVn-2Q@giganews.com>,
PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Jim E wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:gIKdnc99Fr6usCzfRVn-pw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:05ydnYJRuMwqQTLfRVn-tw@giganews.com...
Jim E wrote:
"RTC" <Devilhandsome@why.com> wrote in message
news:AlAre.1033$G55.147@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
I'm sure that when your republiconvict ***** is old and wrinkled,
you'll say that you wish you had done more to help the American
corporations stay competitive and profitable, and I'm sure
that they will come to visit you
Productivity helps corporations stay profitable,
secure employees are productive
And socialism leads to the levels of productivity seen in europe.
Those socialist experiments are in the toilet.
You wish to follow this lunacy down the sewer of spiraling ponzi
collapse?
Jim E
Europe is not in collapse. What are you talking about?
Oh, just little things like GDP, unemployment rate, you know that stuff
that doesn't bother F'loons.
Jim E
Nothing wrong with their GDP.
As for unemployment, our numbers are about the same, if you factor in that
the US drops people from the rolls after six months or so - thus deluding
ourselves about our rate.
You are either misinformed, or gullible.
Their economies are going into the ditch.
Every time they try to climb a wee bit out of the free lunch socialist
death
spiral and ask people to work for their bread, they get demonstrations just
short of national revolt.
So they have heathy unions, so what?
Their economies are not 'going into the ditch' as you put it. As a
matter of fact, they're doing better than we are by a number of
measures; one being child death - we're 10'th or 20'th, but why down the
list - they on the other hand are #1, #2, etc.
OK, what about handgun death? Well, the US leads there.
As for the US being on solid ground, we aren't. It's estimated that 25%
of our GDP is based on the current 'housing bubble' and when that one
breaks, as they all do, it's going to be a hard landing.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=fr&c=gm&c=uk&v=66&v=67&v=74
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
14 Jun 2005 01:55:05 PM |
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PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote :
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal,
SOCIALIST MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Humm, actually corporations are starting to come around on this. GM, for
example, would love to have their retirees covered by single payer, and
thus reduce their liability and make them more competative.
Sure, they can enslave the whole population to pay for benefits they have
to pay for now. How charming. Slavery is great, everyone should own some
slaves. It makes costs go down for the masters. Why I'm warming up to the
idea myself. Maybe I could own a slave colony some day.
GM and others are hardly communist.
No of course not, but the incentive to enslave others is just so
overwhelming in a coercive collectivist society.
Let's drop the word "communist", coercive collectivist is much more
accurate.
If these people were treated, they wouldn't develop drug resistance,
and they wouldn't spread it to us.
At a million dollars each? Let them get treated in Mexico! Why should
Americans be enslaved to treat them?!
Cost containment, including drug prices are a seperate issue that needs
to be addressed within the US.
You evaded my question.
It doesn't help when Bush makes it illegal for medicare/medicaid to
negotiate for better prices.
Still evading. Why should Americans be enslaved to pay for the health care
of Mexicans?
BTW, are you saying that this is capitalism and therefore should be
allowed? It sounds more like big government giving handouts to the drug
companies and has nothing to do with free trade and competative
capitalism.
No, I'm all for competition, I just bought my last supply of cetirizine (
AKA Zyrtec ) from India, which cost me $50 for 90 tabs with shipping,
instead of $180 if I could afford it here. I love a free market.
If the government protects a business from competition, it amounts to
corporate welfare, right?
As for cost shifting to the rest of us for their care, these illegals
have to work somewhere, so bill their employers for the cost of the
medical coverage.
Oh yeah, right, I'm sure an employer who wants to hire them for $3 an
hour, is interested in paying $1 million each to treat their TB.
How many billions does Wal-Mart turn over to their stock holders?
What's that got to do with Wendy's and McDonalds hiring back door illegals
to flip their burgers?
They have the money to pay into at least a minimilist single payer plan.
Then they wouldn't have those profits to pay their stockholders!
And quit being dishonest. Call it what it is. It's not a "single payer
plan", it's SOCIALIST MEDICINE! Enslaving some people to pay for the
medical care of others.
What they do right now is pay nothing, so when a temp Wal-Mart worker
gets sick, those costs are shifted right out of your pocket into the
Wal-Mart stockholders pockets.
Huh?
Nice of you to do that! Really! No, seriously, why do you allow the
Wal-Marts of the world to operate this way?
I believe in freedom and private property. If people aren't satisfied with
their jobs at Walmart, they're free to look elsewhere for better ones,
and/or to get better educated so they can move up the pay scale.
--
Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
The Planetary Bill of Individual Rights project needs major startup
funding: http://upalliance.blogspot.com/
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
15 Jun 2005 02:44:53 AM |
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Ms Liberty - USA wrote:
PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote :
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal,
SOCIALIST MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Humm, actually corporations are starting to come around on this. GM, for
example, would love to have their retirees covered by single payer, and
thus reduce their liability and make them more competative.
Sure, they can enslave the whole population to pay for benefits they have
to pay for now. How charming. Slavery is great, everyone should own some
slaves. It makes costs go down for the masters. Why I'm warming up to the
idea myself. Maybe I could own a slave colony some day.
GM and others are hardly communist.
No of course not, but the incentive to enslave others is just so
overwhelming in a coercive collectivist society.
Let's drop the word "communist", coercive collectivist is much more
accurate.
If these people were treated, they wouldn't develop drug resistance,
and they wouldn't spread it to us.
At a million dollars each? Let them get treated in Mexico! Why should
Americans be enslaved to treat them?!
Cost containment, including drug prices are a seperate issue that needs
to be addressed within the US.
You evaded my question.
It doesn't help when Bush makes it illegal for medicare/medicaid to
negotiate for better prices.
Still evading. Why should Americans be enslaved to pay for the health care
of Mexicans?
BTW, are you saying that this is capitalism and therefore should be
allowed? It sounds more like big government giving handouts to the drug
companies and has nothing to do with free trade and competative
capitalism.
No, I'm all for competition, I just bought my last supply of cetirizine (
AKA Zyrtec ) from India, which cost me $50 for 90 tabs with shipping,
instead of $180 if I could afford it here. I love a free market.
If the government protects a business from competition, it amounts to
corporate welfare, right?
As for cost shifting to the rest of us for their care, these illegals
have to work somewhere, so bill their employers for the cost of the
medical coverage.
Oh yeah, right, I'm sure an employer who wants to hire them for $3 an
hour, is interested in paying $1 million each to treat their TB.
How many billions does Wal-Mart turn over to their stock holders?
What's that got to do with Wendy's and McDonalds hiring back door illegals
to flip their burgers?
They have the money to pay into at least a minimilist single payer plan.
Then they wouldn't have those profits to pay their stockholders!
And quit being dishonest. Call it what it is. It's not a "single payer
plan", it's SOCIALIST MEDICINE! Enslaving some people to pay for the
medical care of others.
What they do right now is pay nothing, so when a temp Wal-Mart worker
gets sick, those costs are shifted right out of your pocket into the
Wal-Mart stockholders pockets.
Huh?
Defintion: Cost Shifting - when someone elses medical care is provided
and then you pay the bill. It's done every day in hospitals. You go in
to get fixed up, and you pay full price because you are 'covered' but
then someone who's uninsured goes in, they get fixed up, and don't pay,
so guess where that money came from?
It was 'cost shifted' from your bill!
Hello!
Nice of you to do that! Really! No, seriously, why do you allow the
Wal-Marts of the world to operate this way?
I believe in freedom and private property. If people aren't satisfied with
their jobs at Walmart, they're free to look elsewhere for better ones,
and/or to get better educated so they can move up the pay scale.
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| User: "Ms Liberty - USA" |
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| Title: Re: Drug resistant TB from Mexican illegals |
14 Jun 2005 01:55:28 PM |
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PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote :
Single payer? Why not be honest and call it what it is liberal,
SOCIALIST MEDICINE payed for by enslaving other people!
Humm, actually corporations are starting to come around on this. GM, for
example, would love to have their retirees covered by single payer, and
thus reduce their liability and make them more competative.
Sure, they can enslave the whole population to pay for benefits they have
to pay for now. How charming. Slavery is great, everyone should own some
slaves. It makes costs go down for the masters. Why I'm warming up to the
idea myself. Maybe I could own a slave colony some day.
GM and others are hardly communist.
No of course not, but the incentive to enslave others is just so
overwhelming in a coercive collectivist society.
Let's drop the word "communist", coercive collectivist is much more
accurate.
If these people were treated, they wouldn't develop drug resistance,
and they wouldn't spread it to us.
At a million dollars each? Let them get treated in Mexico! Why should
Americans be enslaved to treat them?!
Cost containment, including drug prices are a seperate issue that needs
to be addressed within the US.
You evaded my question.
It doesn't help when Bush makes it illegal for medicare/medicaid to
negotiate for better prices.
Still evading. Why should Americans be enslaved to pay for the health care
of Mexicans?
BTW, are you saying that this is capitalism and therefore should be
allowed? It sounds more like big government giving handouts to the drug
companies and has nothing to do with free trade and competative
capitalism.
No, I'm all for competition, I just bought my last supply of cetirizine (
AKA Zyrtec ) from India, which cost me $50 for 90 tabs with shipping,
instead of $180 if I could afford it here. I love a free market.
If the government protects a business from competition, it amounts to
corporate welfare, right?
As for cost shifting to the rest of us for their care, these illegals
have to work somewhere, so bill their employers for the cost of the
medical coverage.
Oh yeah, right, I'm sure an employer who wants to hire them for $3 an
hour, is interested in paying $1 million each to treat their TB.
How many billions does Wal-Mart turn over to their stock holders?
What's that got to do with Wendy's and McDonalds hiring back door illegals
to flip their burgers?
They have the money to pay into at least a minimilist single payer plan.
Then they wouldn't have those profits to pay their stockholders!
And quit being dishonest. Call it what it is. It's not a "single payer
plan", it's SOCIALIST MEDICINE! Enslaving some people to pay for the
medical care of others.
What they do right now is pay nothing, so when a temp Wal-Mart worker
gets sick, those costs are shifted right out of your pocket into the
Wal-Mart stockholders pockets.
Huh?
Nice of you to do that! Really! No, seriously, why do you allow the
Wal-Marts of the world to operate this way?
I believe in freedom and private property. If people aren't satisfied with
their jobs at Walmart, they're free to look elsewhere for better ones,
and/or to get better educated so they can move up the pay scale.
--
Ms Liberty - Colorado, USA
The Planetary Bill of Individual Rights project needs major startup
funding: http://upalliance.blogspot.com/
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