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'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld |
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/11/102202.shtml
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
5/11/04
Carl Limbacher et al.
The military investigator who set off a firestorm of controversy with
his damaging report accusing U.S. MPs of abusing detainees at
Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison is said to be "bittered" over what he
regarded as the Army's mistreatment of his own father after World War
II.
Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, author of the now notorious Taguba
Report, also recently served under former Army Chief of Staff Gen.
Eric K. Shinseki, a critic of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
who challenged Rumsfeld's early estimates of the number of troops
needed to win the Iraq war.
"General Taguba went out of his way in 2001 to call attention to what
he described as the injustice the Army had accorded his father after a
two-decade career that began in the Battle of Bataan in 1942, where he
fought alongside American forces," the New York Times reports in
Tuesday editions.
His father, Staff Sgt. Tomas Taguba, left the Army "without so much as
a retirement ceremony to thank him for those 20 years of hard work and
faithful service," the son complained at a 2001 Veterans Day ceremony.
The Times said Gen. Taguba spoke with "evident bitterness" as he
detailed the injustice done by the military to his father, who was
among 10,000 Filipinos who were essentially drafted into American
service after the outbreak of World War II.
Noting that Sec. Rumsfeld had "derided" Gen. Shinseki's
recommendations, the Times said that Taguba's initial investigation
into the abuse at Abu Ghraib was supposed to be limited to the conduct
of a single military police brigade. However, "Taguba used it to
deliver a much broader indictment" that cast suspicion on higher-ups,
the paper said.
While some of Taguba's lesser charges of abuse at Abu Ghraib were
backed by photographs and confessions by some MPs, he relied solely on
the allegations of detained Iraqis suspected of terrorism to deliver
his most damaging allegations, which included accusations of inmate
beatings and GIs committing sodomy with a broomstick.
In his report Taguba admitted that these charges were supported only
by "statements provided by the following detainees, which under the
circumstances I find credible based on the clarity of their statements
and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses."
He then listed the accusers and witnesses, all of whom were suspected
Iraqi terrorists who had been singled out for intensive interrogation.
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| User: "Mr. N" |
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11 May 2004 10:43:16 AM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
The Republican Smear Machine is oiled up and functioning well I see.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: 'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld |
11 May 2004 11:03:55 AM |
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"Mr. N" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10a1t4o4qpr9ma3@news.supernews.com...
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com...
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
The Republican Smear Machine is oiled up and functioning well I see.
Taguba's resentment, if any, doesn't make him a liar. Besides, we need a
prosecutorial type investigation to challenge the potential lies all the way
up the line. Sabrina Harman said the photos were taken to record the abuse.
What a laugh. Going up the chain we hear repeatedly that the "acts of seven
people should not reflect on the military or DOD" blah blah blah. Why seven
people? Because there were only seven caught red handed in the photos?
BAM
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| User: "Uncle_Sam" |
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11 May 2004 01:44:17 PM |
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In article <iM6oc.97869$Uz1.40209@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Mr. N" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10a1t4o4qpr9ma3@news.supernews.com...
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com...
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
The Republican Smear Machine is oiled up and functioning well I see.
Taguba's resentment, if any, doesn't make him a liar. Besides, we need a
prosecutorial type investigation to challenge the potential lies all the way
up the line. Sabrina Harman said the photos were taken to record the abuse.
What a laugh. Going up the chain we hear repeatedly that the "acts of seven
people should not reflect on the military or DOD" blah blah blah. Why seven
people? Because there were only seven caught red handed in the photos?
BAM
I love it - the conservatives are like a child playing the same note over
and over and over.....
"blame the messenger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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| User: "Phaedrine" |
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| Title: Re: 'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld |
11 May 2004 01:00:48 PM |
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In article <10a1t4o4qpr9ma3@news.supernews.com>,
"Mr. N" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote:
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com...
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
The Republican Smear Machine is oiled up and functioning well I see.
Amen. They passed McCarthy a long time ago. If anything was wrong with
Taguba, then why is he still a general in the US military? This just
reeks of the Dirty Tricks brigade. This has Karl Rove, who apprenticed
at the knee of Donald Segretti, all over it. OTOH, the radical left is
doing the same thing. It's sickening that American politics is reduced
to this.
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| User: "David Galehouse" |
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| Title: Re: 'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld |
11 May 2004 10:08:25 AM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/11/102202.shtml
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
5/11/04
Carl Limbacher et al.
NewsMax = *****.
LOL! Right, "embittered" general uses what? Paint Shop pro to create fake
photos? LMFAO! So, according to the right wing brain trust (ooops, another
oxy-moron) the *only* way the General could have proven himself to be NOT
bitter was to destroy the photographic evidence and ignore the truth? Who
knew that when the right started the tag-line, "You're either with us, or
against us" that the "us" they were referring to was the fascists?
You people are morally bankrupt.
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| User: "John LaVoy" |
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| Title: Re: 'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld |
11 May 2004 10:26:35 AM |
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"David Galehouse" <David.A.Galehouse@lexis-nexis.com> wrote in message
news:c7qq99$4cv$1@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/11/102202.shtml
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
5/11/04
Carl Limbacher et al.
NewsMax = *****.
LOL! Right, "embittered" general uses what? Paint Shop pro to create fake
photos? LMFAO! So, according to the right wing brain trust (ooops, another
oxy-moron) the *only* way the General could have proven himself to be NOT
bitter was to destroy the photographic evidence and ignore the truth? Who
knew that when the right started the tag-line, "You're either with us, or
against us" that the "us" they were referring to was the fascists?
You people are morally bankrupt.
They certainly are. Remember, a full 50% of the war geeks on the right have
no problem with the Abu Ghraib events.
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| User: "Mike Baudrillard" |
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| Title: Re: 'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld |
13 May 2004 10:01:24 PM |
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message news:<7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com>...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/11/102202.shtml
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
5/11/04
Carl Limbacher et al.
He then listed the accusers and witnesses, all of whom were suspected
Iraqi terrorists who had been singled out for intensive interrogation.
I seen the photographs, I think intensive is not quite the right word
for it.
Most military sources are conceding that they might have more
'enemies' working for them than locked up in that prison.
The women and girls were simply dragged from their homes to loosen
tongues and to entertain the garrison.
The interrogation block was an orgy of diviant sex and torture and I
would concede it was probably intensive.
Somebody allowed children, girls, women and mostly innocent men to
fall into the hands of violent sexual psychopaths.
We have had the My Lai part, we are now entering the Watergate part of
the proceedings.
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| User: "ArKLyte_" |
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13 May 2004 10:53:30 PM |
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On 13 May 2004 20:01:24 -0700, (Mike Baudrillard) wrote:
Most military sources are conceding that they might have more
'enemies' working for them than locked up in that prison.
Link?
Lie?
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| User: "Lazarus Cain" |
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11 May 2004 02:54:40 PM |
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message news:<7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com>...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/11/102202.shtml
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
5/11/04
Carl Limbacher et al.
The military investigator who set off a firestorm of controversy with
his damaging report accusing U.S. MPs of abusing detainees at
Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison is said to be "bittered" over what he
regarded as the Army's mistreatment of his own father after World War
II.
Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, author of the now notorious Taguba
Report, also recently served under former Army Chief of Staff Gen.
Eric K. Shinseki, a critic of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
who challenged Rumsfeld's early estimates of the number of troops
needed to win the Iraq war.
"General Taguba went out of his way in 2001 to call attention to what
he described as the injustice the Army had accorded his father after a
two-decade career that began in the Battle of Bataan in 1942, where he
fought alongside American forces," the New York Times reports in
Tuesday editions.
His father, Staff Sgt. Tomas Taguba, left the Army "without so much as
a retirement ceremony to thank him for those 20 years of hard work and
faithful service," the son complained at a 2001 Veterans Day ceremony.
The Times said Gen. Taguba spoke with "evident bitterness" as he
detailed the injustice done by the military to his father, who was
among 10,000 Filipinos who were essentially drafted into American
service after the outbreak of World War II.
Noting that Sec. Rumsfeld had "derided" Gen. Shinseki's
recommendations, the Times said that Taguba's initial investigation
into the abuse at Abu Ghraib was supposed to be limited to the conduct
of a single military police brigade. However, "Taguba used it to
deliver a much broader indictment" that cast suspicion on higher-ups,
the paper said.
While some of Taguba's lesser charges of abuse at Abu Ghraib were
backed by photographs and confessions by some MPs, he relied solely on
the allegations of detained Iraqis suspected of terrorism to deliver
his most damaging allegations, which included accusations of inmate
beatings and GIs committing sodomy with a broomstick.
In his report Taguba admitted that these charges were supported only
by "statements provided by the following detainees, which under the
circumstances I find credible based on the clarity of their statements
and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses."
He then listed the accusers and witnesses, all of whom were suspected
Iraqi terrorists who had been singled out for intensive interrogation.
Typical bulllshit from a Bush supporter. Whether or not it is true, it
typifies the tendency for Bush administration to character asassinate
those who are creating trouble for Mr Bush, even when the individual
is charged with telling the truth under oath.
In light of overwhelming reports coing in concerning abuse of
detainees captured in Iraq and Afghanistan, it doesn;t surprise me to
see some form of half ***** dmage control by Bush suporters, but this
effort of yours is so pathetic.
I like the way you bring in news reports Arklyte, but you are so
obvioulsy biased in favor of Bush, so your propaganda efforts are
transparent as hell.
Expect to see General Miller submit his resignation before the
investigation is finished. He seems to be the highest ranking military
officer involved and he was placed in charge of Iraqi prisons last
fall. Expect him to lose his job and career, oh by the way, why is he
still in charge of Iraqi prisons? Or am I wrong and Bush has already
replaced him?
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| User: "Tim May" |
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11 May 2004 03:42:29 PM |
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In article <bb6ea893.0405111154.16e7005c@posting.google.com>, Lazarus
Cain <rspeaking@aol.com> wrote:
ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:<7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com>...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/11/102202.shtml
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
5/11/04
Carl Limbacher et al.
The military investigator who set off a firestorm of controversy with
his damaging report accusing U.S. MPs of abusing detainees at
Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison is said to be "bittered" over what he
regarded as the Army's mistreatment of his own father after World War
II.
Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, author of the now notorious Taguba
Report, also recently served under former Army Chief of Staff Gen.
Eric K. Shinseki, a critic of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
who challenged Rumsfeld's early estimates of the number of troops
needed to win the Iraq war.
"General Taguba went out of his way in 2001 to call attention to what
he described as the injustice the Army had accorded his father after a
two-decade career that began in the Battle of Bataan in 1942, where he
fought alongside American forces," the New York Times reports in
Tuesday editions.
The Zionazis are already attempting to paint Taguba as a disloyal
American, as some kind of "Schwarze" who is not obedient to the orders
from the Zionist Occupation Government in the Zionist Entity and in the
ZOG-controlled "Gentile" city of Washington, D.C.
--Tim May
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| User: "Harry" |
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11 May 2004 02:21:40 PM |
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message news:<7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com>...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/11/102202.shtml
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
5/11/04
Carl Limbacher et al.
So Carl Limbacher, who gets paid $250 to write these for Mr. Scaife
and who didn't bother to serve in Vietnam, a war I presume he
looooooved, suggests that Gen Taguba didn't really see systemic
breakdown in command and widespread abuse of prisoners, because he had
a grudge against the military.
That must be why he's a General assigned to do the report.
Did you dittoheads really want it to come to this? You (ArKLyte in
this case) stand up and enunciate the most ridiculous and pitiful lies
to excuse yourselves from the most egregious failures and disasters
ever inflicted on this nation (barring the Civil War, and ArKLyte
would have been on the wrong side in that one!). It's always someone
else's fault. It's Clinton's fault, it's Saddam's fault, it's always
someone else.
How do you get up in the morning and face your mirror while brushing
your teeth? I mean, DAMN! I've never seen a group of people so
dedicated to lying about everything, all the time, and for such
immoral and patently destructive purposes!! They don't lie to avoid
embarassment or to seek material gain, they lie to obtain the
priviledge of killing people in large numbers! It's kinda incredible.
But it will all end up in the Hague. I've seen these before.
President Cheney, VP Lay and others will end up hanging as the war
criminals they are. I know you don't hate America, ArKLyte. You hate
everything.
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| User: "Comicboards.org" |
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11 May 2004 07:29:50 PM |
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It sounded to me like Taguba was defending the army. But that is just me.
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11 May 2004 07:44:47 PM |
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Subject: Re: 'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
From: "Comicboards.org"
Date: 5/11/2004 8:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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It sounded to me like Taguba was defending the army. But that is just me.
I suspect the swift boat commandos will be after him shortly. John Oneil
served with him and he did not meet Oneils standards.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "Tim Farrow" |
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NEWSMAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAX???
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:7rq1a05fraqv58qm21q9sakhlv8l5p7g1o@4ax.com...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/11/102202.shtml
'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld
5/11/04
Carl Limbacher et al.
The military investigator who set off a firestorm of controversy with
his damaging report accusing U.S. MPs of abusing detainees at
Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison is said to be "bittered" over what he
regarded as the Army's mistreatment of his own father after World War
II.
Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, author of the now notorious Taguba
Report, also recently served under former Army Chief of Staff Gen.
Eric K. Shinseki, a critic of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
who challenged Rumsfeld's early estimates of the number of troops
needed to win the Iraq war.
"General Taguba went out of his way in 2001 to call attention to what
he described as the injustice the Army had accorded his father after a
two-decade career that began in the Battle of Bataan in 1942, where he
fought alongside American forces," the New York Times reports in
Tuesday editions.
His father, Staff Sgt. Tomas Taguba, left the Army "without so much as
a retirement ceremony to thank him for those 20 years of hard work and
faithful service," the son complained at a 2001 Veterans Day ceremony.
The Times said Gen. Taguba spoke with "evident bitterness" as he
detailed the injustice done by the military to his father, who was
among 10,000 Filipinos who were essentially drafted into American
service after the outbreak of World War II.
Noting that Sec. Rumsfeld had "derided" Gen. Shinseki's
recommendations, the Times said that Taguba's initial investigation
into the abuse at Abu Ghraib was supposed to be limited to the conduct
of a single military police brigade. However, "Taguba used it to
deliver a much broader indictment" that cast suspicion on higher-ups,
the paper said.
While some of Taguba's lesser charges of abuse at Abu Ghraib were
backed by photographs and confessions by some MPs, he relied solely on
the allegations of detained Iraqis suspected of terrorism to deliver
his most damaging allegations, which included accusations of inmate
beatings and GIs committing sodomy with a broomstick.
In his report Taguba admitted that these charges were supported only
by "statements provided by the following detainees, which under the
circumstances I find credible based on the clarity of their statements
and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses."
He then listed the accusers and witnesses, all of whom were suspected
Iraqi terrorists who had been singled out for intensive interrogation.
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http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
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