Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

Timothy Sutter <a202010@lycos.com> wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

I notice tonight that when you feel like having conversations with
yourself in Gibberish, you do that as well.

if you don't like my writing, you can always read something else.

Well, I certainly *didn't* read all that crap.

Why not?

In part because it was even weirder and stupider than *your* crap.

In part because it had no point. Just rambling nonsense, as my
responses demonstrated by making just as much sense. If I want to
read theology (which I seldom do), an essay by Augustine, Aquinas,
Martin Luther or Calvin would be much more edifying. Or I can read
the Bible itself or even the Apocryphal books. All much better
written, whether true or not.

lojbab

I see. On a scale of 1 to 10, where do the writings of Darwin fit into
your rating system where truth or fiction matters not?

Truth vs fiction matter, but not to my reading preferences, since I
read lots of both. I'm currently reading 5 non fiction and 2 fiction
books. The non fiction books are on the civil war, english grammar, 2
Russian textbooks, Jared Diamond Guns, Germs, and Steel which is
anthropology, and a History of the Conversion of the European
Barbarians during the Dark Ages.

I haven't read Darwin (except in excerpts to prove you wrong), and he
isn't high on my list, but would beat out the theologians mentioned.
I've already read the Bible cover to cover, and would probably read
various Apocryphal books before Darwin. I have a novelized biography
of Darwin that I will probably get around to before I read his works,
since I own it, and don't own any of Darwin's.

lojbab

in considering so-called 'molecular clocks'

as an example, you have a few dna footprints
from contemporary humans and chimps, and
you -guess- that these species
diverged 10 million years ago.
you compare the genotypes in
the foot prints you have.
you guess that each difference in
sequence represents 'x' million years.
you juggle the guesses until you can draw
a straight line thru this guessed
at correspondence.
stopping there, you'd be trying to do
something like ascertain the average
height of human beings based on the
height of a single person, which is unuseful,
meaning, you don't have any average,
you have what may loosely described
as a single point., with huge error bars.
so, you must use more specific trait sequences
and compile an average set of lineages.
what you find is that there is no neat
one to one correspondence in the slopes
of the lines gathered up for a specific
guess at divergence coupled with sets
of sequence variation of multiple traits.
meaning, you get -different- numbers for the
'x' millions of years per sequence variation
for two identical data sets.
meaning, trait A allegedly alters
at 1.5 million years per difference,
and trait B alters at 0.75 million years
and trait C alters at 35 million years
per change, [outside of the proposed date of divergence]
etc.
so, you erect -larger- error bars which will
cull a multiplicity of lines into
a single averaging
and then, you remove the error bars and
claim you arrived at a reasonabe
correlation to your initial -guess-.
which is to say,
you get a happhazzard array of scattered slopes
with weighted averaging techniques employed
so as to -broaden- the error bars,
and then make an attempt at drawing a
single average from all these
scattered slopes,
and then simply remove the error bars
because they tend to clutter up the graph.
that, and this assumes the differences in
genotypes are solely attributable to one
species changing from the other.
these 'rules' are considered -by-
scientists as not very useful.
all in all, what you do have is a general description
of how varieties of familial traits within
species shuffle themselves around in many
diverse outwardly appearing forms.
what you do not have is any credible support
for some contention that all existing forms
of living creatures on earth speciated from
a single common ancestor.

you do not have an; "origin of species"
you have an; "origin of familial populations"
no big deal, this doesn't -ruin- the
study of living diversity and nature.
it just leaves as blank the "origin of species"

the notion of instantaneous design patterns
remains as a credible hypothesis.
conscious interference patterns
non-corporeal concious interference patterns
with, first, the non-corporeal pre-genesis
formulation, and second, with the materialized
physical manifestation.
that's your God
all -we- say is that this God
-will- see 'eye to eye' in a peaceful manner
with the consciousness emulators with which
-we- as corporeal manifestations are so equipped,
but that the interference patterns
of The Eternal Deity will anihilate
the interference patterns of the
consciouness emulators of which -we-
are so equipped if and as those interference
patterns come greatly in to conflcit with
that of the non-corporeal consciousness
of The Eternal Deity.
look for the constructive interference patterns.
eschew the destructive interference patterns.
getting caught in certain nodes of
interference can cause a great deal
of troubles.
but in looking, you will discover that
the conscious interference patterns of
The Eternal Deity have a Will and Mind
and are directed -by- The Etenal Deity
and so, it -can- remain aloof to -you-
do you know where your dials are set?
seek guidance from the Everlasting Deity
and coherent patterns -can- be acquired.
some people's antennae are atrophied.
they -can- be revitalized thru this new
immaterial transcription therapy.
new to -you-, not new to The Eternal Deity
if your antenae are -not- atrophied, the prophylaxis
for the offsetting of serious material illnesses and
other such difficulties is continued abiding in
the constructiuve interference patterns.
the destructive patterns wear away
at the soundness of your antennae.
Jesus Christ is the password we provide
to you for your entrance into communion
with The Eternal Deity.
it has several forms, and is more aassociated
with the contructive interference pattern it
sets up in your consciousness emulation that
just the sound and tonal quality of the
verbal utterence itself.
which is to say that the password is
the same in several different languages
it is not language specific but
interference pattern specific.

what ever "Eternal Deity Saves in and
by The Spirit of the Eternal Deity"
corresponds to in your language is the attitude
engendered by the appropriate interference pattern.
anyway, that is the generalized
password type of system.
the door is not barred.
-you- cannot bring viral information
into the Godhead of Eternal Deity
only a cleansing of your
consciousness emulation
-can- happen.
seek that.
The Savior will lead you into the
constructive interence patterns.

in considering so-called 'molecular clocks'
as an example, you have a few dna footprints
from contemporary humans and chimps, and

you -guess- that these species
diverged 10 million years ago.

Dave Oldridge wrote:

The idea that evolution is ALWAYS a slow gradual progression died about
twenty years age. And areas of the human genome, life baseball players,
sometimes have streaks. It's the nature of physical phenomena.

the article says that the rapidity
doesn't agree with 'normal evoluton'

where 'normal evolution' is an attribute
associated with the 'genetic molecular clock.'

the article seems to be speaking of 'normal evolution'
regarded as a slow progression which is linear.