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A leading expert on Osama Bin Laden

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Professor Bruce Lawrence's credentials
http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=3D1070

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A leading expert on Osama Bin Laden

"EXPERT" - Red Flag numba 1!

Professor Bruce Lawrence's credentials
http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=1070


From almost the first days of the War on Terror, leftists and
anti-American writers and speakers have blamed the U.S. and the CIA for
“creating” Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network. They have argued that
the U.S. support for the Afghani mujahedeen fighters, funneled through the
CIA and Pakistani intelligence agencies, allowed Bin Laden to build his
network and, in time, turn it against the U.S. Among intelligence experts,
this phenomenon is called "blowback"

the occasional situation of an
agent turning against his handlers and supporters. Although blowback could
be a reasonable fear with creating an agent, it doesn’t apply here, in
fact, most of the claims of leftist critics are completely unsupported by
facts.

Lie Number One: The CIA recruited Osama Bin Laden, and thousands of Arabs,
to fight in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union.

Truth: The CIA didn't recruit anyone to fight in Afghanistan, not even Bin
Laden.

After Soviet troops entered Afghanistan in December 1979, the native
Afghan fundamentalist factions that opposed the Soviet puppet regime were
galvanized. Not only did they have a war against the ruling government,
they had an actual superpower to declare jihad, or holy war, against.

Lie: The CIA trained Osama Bin Laden, and his supporters, in how to wage
terror as a weapon of war.

Fact: The CIA trained absolutely no one in Afghanistan, or in neighboring
Pakistan, neither in the tactics of terror or even in how to use the
Stinger missiles provided to the Afghans.

The entire CIA effort in Afghanistan was more logistical than operational.
Vince Cannistraro, the National Security Council staff director who headed
up coordination of policy for Afghanistan in the mid-1980’s told author
Peter Bergen that there were only six CIA employees in Pakistan at any
given time – and none actually in Afghanistan – and that they were
administrators rather than field officers. Bergen also reports that CIA
officials only rarely met with leaders of the Afghan resistance, and never
with the Arabs who came to the jihad. This is not to imply that U.S.
officials never met with Afghan leaders. They did. There were plenty of
photo opportunities to be had, and elected and high level bureaucrats
often took advantage of them. But to believe that, say a Congressional
staff member went to Afghanistan to train resistance warriors, much less
terrorists would be pushing the bounds of possibility.

What the CIA did, in reality, was buy weapons, ammunition, and supplies,
in vast quantities. The Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI,
distributed the weapons and supplies once the Americans delivered them.
This was a fundamental rule of Pakistani policy according to Brigadier
Mohammed Yousaf, who ran the ISI operation in Afghanistan between 1983 and
1989: No American was to come into contact with the mujahedeen and no
American was to be involved in the distribution of arms or supplies once
they arrived in Pakistan. So far as the Arabs who went to the jihad, such
as Bin Laden, were concerned, there was even less contact between them and
the Americans. The Arabs had their own sources of funding and support, and
no need of the Americans at all.

What training was provided was provided by Pakistan and likely did include
terror tactics. The Pakistani’s were no strangers to terrorist activities.
They had been supporting terrorism, mainly in the Kashmir region of India,
since the 1970’s[2]. The Pakistani’s directed the bulk of
American-financed support to the Afghan groups that were the most
extremist, the most Islamist, the most violent. These groups were reported
by the Pakistani’s to
also be the most effective, although those claims are questionable. The
group, which received the highest percentage of aid, as well as the most
support from Arab sources, was the Hizb party, which was headed by a
Muslim fanatic named Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who was a Pakistani agent from
long before the jihad began.

There were more moderate Afghan commanders available, but they were not
trusted so much by Pakistan, and therefore weren’t seen as reliable by the
Americans. Perhaps the biggest mistake the U.S. made in the Afghan
operation was in not taking greater account of who the Pakistani’s were
paying with our tax dollars. However, the ISI was seen as being more
familiar with the situation “on the ground” and was allowed to run the
show. If the CIA had taken a stronger hand in determining the allocation
of support, it was likely that the ISI would have stopped funneling any
support to the Afghans.

Lie: The CIA helped Bin Laden build an underground camp at Khost, which
was used to train terrorists.

Fact: An Afghan commander built the camp at Khost in 1982, with funding
from Saudi Arabia. As stated above, there were few instances of any
Americans going into Afghanistan. It would be too dangerous to hand the
Soviets or their supporters a propaganda victory by allowing them to
capture an American.

Even if Bin Laden had been involved in building the Khost camp, as he was
involved in building other camps, he would not have needed CIA help to do
so. Osama had no difficulty in using equipment from his family’s
construction empire to build camps, tunnel complexes, etc., in
Afghanistan.

Lie: The CIA helped Bin Laden all along, and continues to help him.

Fact: Bin Laden never had any relations with Americans or American
officials. Al Qaeda sources told Peter Bergen that Bin Laden was
predicting conflict with the Americans from the early 1980’s.

To seriously believe that Bin Laden would willingly have ever worked with
the Americans, one would have to so completely discard common sense as to
believe that Bert the Sesame Street character really was an Al Qaeda
operative because he has been seen in Internet photos with Bin Laden.

After the Afghan jihad ended, Bin Laden went home to Saudi Arabia, where
he predicted that the Saudi kingdom would soon have to face Saddam Hussein
and proposed using Arab veterans of Afghanistan to protect the land of the
Prophet. When American troops arrived to drive Iraq from Kuwait and
support
the de facto alliance with Saudi Arabia, Osama grew quite irate. Even
today, one of the continuing demands from Al Qaeda is the immediate
departure from Arabia of all American troops.

As is clear from the facts, the accusations by the Left of an American
role in the creation of the Al Qaeda terror threat are, at least, greatly
exaggerated. While the efforts of the U.S. in Afghanistan during the
1980’s were not without some errors, they did not lead to the fostering of
the threat to world peace and order that Osama Bin Laden and his followers
represent. Even without American involvement in the Afghan jihad, it is at
least as likely that Bin Laden would have been involved and found his
“calling” as the ringleader of present day international terrorism.

Even if the accusations from the Left were true, and the U.S. took some
responsibility for the “creation” of Al Qaeda, one must look at what was
gained. In Afghanistan, the United States became involved in order to, as
Zbigniew Brzezinski put it, “to sow s**t in [the Soviet’s] backyard.” In
supporting the Afghans against the Soviets and their puppet regime, we
succeeded in draining the might of the Red Army and likely bringing a
faster end to the Cold War and the liberation of not only Afghanistan but
the freeing of more than a billion people in the Soviet Union and Eastern
Europe.

One must always consider the source in any propaganda campaign such as the
one represented by these charges. Here, the left-wing, Blame America First
extremists would rather apologize for the individual responsible for
killing thousands of Americans and blame the victims for those murders.
Reality shows another explanation.

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Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

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Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

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On Feb 20, 12:48 am, Yoga <y...@hotmex.com> wrote:

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus
for links :http://infowars.net/articles/february2007/190207Osama_tape.htm

Professor says there is no doubt infamous Bin Laden tape is fake, being
used to deflect 9/11 "conspiracy theories"
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, February 19, 2007 A leading expert on Osama Bin Laden has
officially gone on the record saying that he believes the so called
"9/11 Confession" tape, released shortly after the attacks, is an
outright fake that has been used by US intelligence agencies to deflect
attention from
"conspiracy theories" about 9/11.

Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University's Religious Studies
program, joined Kevin Barrett last Friday on his radio show
(gcnlive.com, 2/16/2007, first hour) in his first public interview since
comments he made last year indicating that he believes Bin Laden may be
dead and that many of the newer tapes are either fake or consist of old
audio and video.

The "Confession" video, played ad infinitum in the wake of the attack on
Afghanistan in December 2001, was magically found in a house in
Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. It featured a fat Osama
laughing and joking about how he'd carried out 9/11. The video was also
mistranslated in order to manipulate viewer opinion and featured "Bin
Laden" praising two of the hijackers, only he got their names wrong.

This Osama also uses the wrong hand to write with and wears gold rings,
a practice totally in opposition to the Muslim faith.

Despite the fact that the man in the video looks nothing like Bin Laden,
the CIA stood by the video whilst many, including Professor Lawrence
now, have declared it an outright fake.

Lawrence is the author of a book entitled Messages to the World: The
Statements of Osama Bin Laden, which translates Bin Laden's writing. In
January 2006 he told ABC news that a newly released audio tape was
missing several key elements and "was like a voice from the grave". The
Professor had analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of
the al Qaida leader for his book, and, while the CIA confirmed the voice
on the tape as Bin Laden, Lawrence questioned when it was recorded and
declared the timing of its release as politically convenient.

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Last Friday Lawrence, citing informants in the US intelligence
apparatus's Bin Laden units, told Kevin Barrett that everyone knows the
tape is fake, adding that the hoax has been kept alive because it is
politically useful to those who wish to bolster the official 9/11
conspiracy that 19 hijackers directed by Bin Laden from a cave carried
out the attacks.

We have previously covered the scores of times Osama Bin Laden has been
used as a tool of fear and control as a tried and tested method whenever
the going gets tough. Many tapes have been determined to be total fakes
by voice analysis or simply re-hashes of old material.

Research led us to discover that the most recent "Al Qaeda" video
releases featuring Bin Laden had already featured in a docudrama The
Road to Guantanamo. The media tentatively even admitted that it was the
government that released the tapes.

In a separate revelation, AP reported that an expert on Islamic
extremism deemed the Al Qaeda footage as so out of character for
al-Qa'ida it could have been taken by a security agency.

Bin Laden was created by US intelligence , worked with US intelligence
in the late 70s and 80s, was used as a patsy by US intelligence before
and after 911 and is now being used as a manipulative tool of fear by
the criminal elite faction currently in power in the US.

In June 2006, Muckraker Report investigative reporter Ed Haas contacted
the FBI to ask why 9/11 was not specifically mentioned on Bin Laden's
wanted page on the FBI website.

"The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's most wanted
page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to
9/11," he was told Rex Tomb.

In Bin Laden's first interview after the 9/11 attacks he denied any
involvement. This isn't like a kid caught thieving in a sweet shop -
terrorists always claim responsibility for attacks they have perpetrated
otherwise why bother killing people to send a political message?

Then came the now thoroughly debunked "Confession Tape".

The fact that the FBI does not consider the 'confession tape' as
reliable evidence of involvement in 9/11 was subsequently completely
dismissed by the Washington Post and others who still say the tape
proves that Al-Qaeda have, "proudly taken responsibility for the
hijackings."

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From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks

'Bin Laden initially denied, but later admitted involvement in the
incidents. On September 16, 2001, bin Laden denied any involvement
with the attacks by reading a statement which was broadcast by Qatar's
Al Jazeera satellite channel: "I stress that I have not carried out
this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with
their own motivation."[53] This denial was broadcast on U.S. news
networks and worldwide.

In November 2001, U.S. forces recovered a videotape from a destroyed
house in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, in which Osama bin Laden is talking
to Khaled al-Harbi. In the tape, bin Laden admits foreknowledge of the
attacks.[54] The tape was broadcast on various news networks from
December 13, 2001.

On December 27, 2001, a second bin Laden video was released. In the
video, he stated "Terrorism against America deserves to be praised
because it was a response to injustice, aimed at forcing America to
stop its support for Israel, which kills our people," but he stopped
short of admitting responsibility for the attacks.[55]

Shortly before the U.S. presidential election in 2004, in a taped
statement, bin Laden publicly acknowledged al-Qaeda's involvement in
the attacks on the U.S, and admitted his direct link to the attacks.
He said that the attacks were carried out because, "We are a free
people who do not accept injustice, and we want to regain the freedom
of our nation."

In a videotape aired on Al Jazeera, on October 30, 2004, bin Laden
said he had personally directed the 19 hijackers.[56] Another video
obtained by Al Jazeera in September 2006 shows Osama bin Laden with
Ramzi Binalshibh, as well as two hijackers, Hamza al-Ghamdi and Wail
al-Shehri, as they make preparations for the attacks.[57]'

So, that's four separate statements by Bin Laden. Which ones does your
boy think is bogus? While you are thinking that one over answer the
following: if they didn't do it then why didn't Al Qaeda put out a
comprehensive and irrefutable statement denying involvement and
denouncing Yankee imperialist disinformation?

On Feb 20, 12:48 am, Yoga <y...@hotmex.com> wrote:

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus
for links :http://infowars.net/articles/february2007/190207Osama_tape.htm

Professor says there is no doubt infamous Bin Laden tape is fake, being
used to deflect 9/11 "conspiracy theories"
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, February 19, 2007 A leading expert on Osama Bin Laden has
officially gone on the record saying that he believes the so called
"9/11 Confession" tape, released shortly after the attacks, is an
outright fake that has been used by US intelligence agencies to deflect
attention from
"conspiracy theories" about 9/11.

Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University's Religious Studies
program, joined Kevin Barrett last Friday on his radio show
(gcnlive.com, 2/16/2007, first hour) in his first public interview since
comments he made last year indicating that he believes Bin Laden may be
dead and that many of the newer tapes are either fake or consist of old
audio and video.

The "Confession" video, played ad infinitum in the wake of the attack on
Afghanistan in December 2001, was magically found in a house in
Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. It featured a fat Osama
laughing and joking about how he'd carried out 9/11. The video was also
mistranslated in order to manipulate viewer opinion and featured "Bin
Laden" praising two of the hijackers, only he got their names wrong.

This Osama also uses the wrong hand to write with and wears gold rings,
a practice totally in opposition to the Muslim faith.

Despite the fact that the man in the video looks nothing like Bin Laden,
the CIA stood by the video whilst many, including Professor Lawrence
now, have declared it an outright fake.

Lawrence is the author of a book entitled Messages to the World: The
Statements of Osama Bin Laden, which translates Bin Laden's writing. In
January 2006 he told ABC news that a newly released audio tape was
missing several key elements and "was like a voice from the grave". The
Professor had analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of
the al Qaida leader for his book, and, while the CIA confirmed the voice
on the tape as Bin Laden, Lawrence questioned when it was recorded and
declared the timing of its release as politically convenient.

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Last Friday Lawrence, citing informants in the US intelligence
apparatus's Bin Laden units, told Kevin Barrett that everyone knows the
tape is fake, adding that the hoax has been kept alive because it is
politically useful to those who wish to bolster the official 9/11
conspiracy that 19 hijackers directed by Bin Laden from a cave carried
out the attacks.

We have previously covered the scores of times Osama Bin Laden has been
used as a tool of fear and control as a tried and tested method whenever
the going gets tough. Many tapes have been determined to be total fakes
by voice analysis or simply re-hashes of old material.

Research led us to discover that the most recent "Al Qaeda" video
releases featuring Bin Laden had already featured in a docudrama The
Road to Guantanamo. The media tentatively even admitted that it was the
government that released the tapes.

In a separate revelation, AP reported that an expert on Islamic
extremism deemed the Al Qaeda footage as so out of character for
al-Qa'ida it could have been taken by a security agency.

Bin Laden was created by US intelligence , worked with US intelligence
in the late 70s and 80s, was used as a patsy by US intelligence before
and after 911 and is now being used as a manipulative tool of fear by
the criminal elite faction currently in power in the US.

In June 2006, Muckraker Report investigative reporter Ed Haas contacted
the FBI to ask why 9/11 was not specifically mentioned on Bin Laden's
wanted page on the FBI website.

"The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's most wanted
page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to
9/11," he was told Rex Tomb.

In Bin Laden's first interview after the 9/11 attacks he denied any
involvement. This isn't like a kid caught thieving in a sweet shop -
terrorists always claim responsibility for attacks they have perpetrated
otherwise why bother killing people to send a political message?

Then came the now thoroughly debunked "Confession Tape".

The fact that the FBI does not consider the 'confession tape' as
reliable evidence of involvement in 9/11 was subsequently completely
dismissed by the Washington Post and others who still say the tape
proves that Al-Qaeda have, "proudly taken responsibility for the
hijackings."

--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks

'Bin Laden initially denied, but later admitted involvement in the
incidents. On September 16, 2001, bin Laden denied any involvement
with the attacks by reading a statement which was broadcast by Qatar's
Al Jazeera satellite channel: "I stress that I have not carried out
this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with
their own motivation."[53] This denial was broadcast on U.S. news
networks and worldwide.

In November 2001, U.S. forces recovered a videotape from a destroyed
house in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, in which Osama bin Laden is talking
to Khaled al-Harbi. In the tape, bin Laden admits foreknowledge of the
attacks.[54] The tape was broadcast on various news networks from
December 13, 2001.

On December 27, 2001, a second bin Laden video was released. In the
video, he stated "Terrorism against America deserves to be praised
because it was a response to injustice, aimed at forcing America to
stop its support for Israel, which kills our people," but he stopped
short of admitting responsibility for the attacks.[55]

Shortly before the U.S. presidential election in 2004, in a taped
statement, bin Laden publicly acknowledged al-Qaeda's involvement in
the attacks on the U.S, and admitted his direct link to the attacks.
He said that the attacks were carried out because, "We are a free
people who do not accept injustice, and we want to regain the freedom
of our nation."

In a videotape aired on Al Jazeera, on October 30, 2004, bin Laden
said he had personally directed the 19 hijackers.[56] Another video
obtained by Al Jazeera in September 2006 shows Osama bin Laden with
Ramzi Binalshibh, as well as two hijackers, Hamza al-Ghamdi and Wail
al-Shehri, as they make preparations for the attacks.[57]'

So, that's four separate statements by Bin Laden. Which ones does your
boy think is bogus? While you are thinking that one over answer the
following: if they didn't do it then why didn't Al Qaeda put out a
comprehensive and irrefutable statement denying involvement and
denouncing Yankee imperialist disinformation?