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On Apr 4, 7:47 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com>
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Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in
2005)
By Region
South 6.6
West 5.8
Mid-West 4.9
Northeast 4.4
U.S. Average 5.6
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate
statistics
(while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would
help
them out on this.

HONESTY ALERT! LIARS like YOU should NOT read what follows:

PG, are you ever going to link a source for your statements, or
would
that prove too embarassing?

You failed to note that "South" includes DC, and all of the
Mid-Atlantic
States.http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_03.html
You failed to note that ALL NON-URBAN areas have the lowest
crime
rates:

Alabama rates an 8.2 and Mississippi rates a 7.3. It's there in
black
and white for you to read on the FBI statistical table I
provided.
Give Up...Your lies and spin are getting crushed by the facts.

I should not have had to be bothered with addressing this. YOU
should
have
FINISHED your homework.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_05.html

Let's have a quick look at those stat's you are having so much
trouble
understanding, shall we?
Here's the info the table you cite (from the link I provided) states
for Alabama on 2005 murder and non-negligent homicide stat's:
Metro Statistical Area 311
Cities Outside Meto area 39
Non metro counties 24
Now, to those that don't understand statistics, this may lead you to
conclude a huge difference between rural and metro Alabama, but
let's
go further.
Here's the "metropolitan" breakdown of Alabama (the cite is for 2000
stat's but the ratios should be relatively the same for overall
population. Also note just how small some of cities are that are
lumped into the category of "metropolitan"):
Metropolitan Area Population
Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman CSA 1,170,012
Mobile-Daphne-Fairhope CSA 567,625
Montgomery MSA 397,961
Huntsville MSA 368,661
Tuscaloosa MSA 196,885
Decatur MSA 149,629
Florence-Muscle Shoals MSA 142,950
Dothan MSA 136,594
Auburn-Opelika MSA 123,254
Anniston-Oxford MSA 112,240
Gadsden MSA 104,000
Total "Metropolitan" population of Alabama: 3,469,811
Total population of Alabama: 4,447,100
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama
Percent of Alabama's population represented by "metropolitan"
population: 78%
Percent of Alabama's murder rate represented by "metropolitan"
population: 83%

You're claiming that the FBI uses Wikipedia's metropolitian breakdown
of
Alabama??

You're claiming that the FBI uses Wikipedia's metropolitian breakdown of
Alabama??

If you've got a source to show it's an innacruate representation of
"metropolitan" Alabama, by all means present it.

I already did.

Yep, that's right, you are basing you bold claim that all murder...

Who said "all murder?" YOU DID. Not me.

Who said "all murder?" YOU DID. Not me.

The source of this discussion (Note Header) is murder rate. Just how
far do you want to splice down the verbiage of our discussion to try
to find something you can claim victory on? Your first retort of this
discussion (again, note header) was that "ALL NON-URBAN areas have the
lowest crime rates"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/msg/8c03bd4a3...
I have resoundingly proven this statement (yours) to be false.
You invited the embarassing statistical analysis by using stat's of
"Metroplitan" areas to try to make your ludicrous statement about
"Urban" areas. So, which is it?

See my other most-recent post. Urban crime is UP everywhere. Non-urban
crime is NOT - everywhere. There is no significant difference between Red
and Blue. There is no significant difference between North and South (given
the smoothing the FBI chose).

The only thing you have done is to resoundingly FAIL to finish your homwork.

Urban, or metropolitan? Is
Birmingham Alabama (ranked 366th on the list) more "Urban" than New
York City (ranked #145)? Is Flint Michigan (#369) more Urban than
Irvine, CA (#7), which has almost twice it's population?

Where are your crime stats for these cities?

How can you compare a ranked list of cities WITHOUT knowing the stats?- Hide quoted text -

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"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave"

By Heather Mac Donaldhttp://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

*************************************************************************
PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:

"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonaldwww.City-Journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

www.PredatoryAliens.comwww.ImmigrationsHumanCost.orgwww.DayLaborers.orgwww.Alipac.uswww.ImmigrationWatchdog.comwww.AmericanPatrol.comwww.SaveOurState.orgwww.EscapingJustice.comwww.MothersAgainstIllegalAliens.org
See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:www.ImmigrationCounters.com
---------------------------------------------
"Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada"
("For The Race everything, for those outside The Race nothing")

-- Motto of MEChA, one of the nation's largest publically-funded
organizations with cells on high school and college campuses across
the USA (Note: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says he "used to be"
a member)
---------------------------------------------
"How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico"
By John Dillinhttp://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

Excerpt:

"General Eisenhower ... quoted a report in The New York Times,
highlighting one paragraph that said: 'The rise in illegal border-
crossing by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than
1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation
in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters
of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal
Government ..."

"Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said the
president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he
took office.

"America 'was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very
large scale,' Mr. Brownell said. 'When I say large scale, I mean
hundreds of thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without
restraint.'"
--------------------------------------------------
Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:www.DeputyDavidMarch.comwww.KrisEggle.org

"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are
engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent Social
Security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without
licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the
majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and
hide their illegal status. In addition, violent crime and drug
distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens.
Over 25% of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In
some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34%
of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."

-- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the
House Subcommittee on Immigration, Border, Security and Claims [Note:
99% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles, California -- the USA's 2nd
most-populous city -- are for illegal aliens]

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds
of
men."
-- Samuel Adams

""All great truths begin as heresies."

-- Former Democrat Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm, official of
Defend Colorado Now, a movement opposed to illegal immigration
and public services for illegal aliens

On April 1, 2007