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"Sogobia" |
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30 Oct 2004 07:43:43 PM |
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FDR's grandson sez Bush ain't no FDR. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6364551/site/newsweek/
In the White House today is a man who for the first time in our nation's
history invaded another country without our first being attacked and without
the support of a global alliance. The real leadership of FDR, by contrast,
was the skill with which he solidified our alliances and made winning the
war a truly global effort.
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They Knew...
Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
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| User: "Regime Change Begins At Home" |
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| Title: Re: FDR's grandson sez Bush ain't no FDR. |
30 Oct 2004 10:16:25 PM |
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"Sogobia" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cm1dg8$dp$1@news.chatlink.com...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6364551/site/newsweek/
In the White House today is a man who for the first time in our nation's
history invaded another country without our first being attacked and
without the support of a global alliance. The real leadership of FDR, by
contrast, was the skill with which he solidified our alliances and made
winning the war a truly global effort.
No president since FDR has been anything close to an FDR. That man is the
third best president in American history, no contest.
-cont.-
--
They Knew...
Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
=====================================
The fair use of a copyrighted work:
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site
is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest
in receiving the included information for research and educational
purposes. For more information go to:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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| Title: Re: FDR's grandson sez Bush ain't no FDR. |
30 Oct 2004 08:23:11 PM |
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Sogobia wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6364551/site/newsweek/
In the White House today is a man who for the first time in our nation's
history invaded another country without our first being attacked and without
the support of a global alliance.
FDR's grandson apparently doesn't know about the attack on Yugoslavia by
the Clinton administration.
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| User: "Jeremy" |
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| Title: Re: FDR's grandson sez Bush ain't no FDR. |
31 Oct 2004 03:37:42 AM |
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"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:38Xgd.1383$pY6.667@trnddc04...
Sogobia wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6364551/site/newsweek/
In the White House today is a man who for the first time in our nation's
history invaded another country without our first being attacked and
without
the support of a global alliance.
FDR's grandson apparently doesn't know about the attack on Yugoslavia by
the Clinton administration.
The one in which we went in with a global alliance.
Jeremy Olson
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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| Title: Re: FDR's grandson sez Bush ain't no FDR. |
31 Oct 2004 03:47:57 AM |
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Jeremy wrote:
"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:38Xgd.1383$pY6.667@trnddc04...
Sogobia wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6364551/site/newsweek/
In the White House today is a man who for the first time in our nation's
history invaded another country without our first being attacked and
without
the support of a global alliance.
No global alliance. It was a NATO action, an action which did not
include the French. Nineteen countries, all in Europe with the exception
of the US, were involved.
FDR's grandson apparently doesn't know about the attack on Yugoslavia by
the Clinton administration.
The one in which we went in with a global alliance.
Jeremy Olson
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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| Title: Re: FDR's grandson sez Bush ain't no FDR. |
31 Oct 2004 09:10:15 AM |
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Christian Williamson wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:38Xgd.1383$pY6.667@trnddc04...
Sogobia wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6364551/site/newsweek/
In the White House today is a man who for the first time in our
nation's
history invaded another country without our first being attacked and
without
the support of a global alliance.
No global alliance. It was a NATO action, an action which did not
include the French. Nineteen countries, all in Europe with the
exception of the US, were involved.
Explain how NATO is global.
A minority of the population loudly oppose this war with Iraq because it
is not a just war . Iraqis did not attack us on 9/11, so why attack
Iraq? These folks are found in many political camps. Many libertarians
are against this war because they are against foreign intervention. They
subscribe to the concept of Live and let live . I consider myself to be
a libertarian. Still, Im not against this war with Iraq.
My position has nothing to do with justice. Arguably no war is just.
Yet, whenever war is undertaken, both sides will tell you justice
demands it. Those who killed 3000 on 9/11 felt justified to do it. Their
conscience was clear. They had their good reasons. Warring parties
always do. When Palestinians kill Israelis they do it for just reasons.
When Israelis kill Palestinians it is done in the name of justice. Serbs
did not kill Kosovar Albanians for fun. Their cause was just. Likewise,
Kosovar Albanians felt justified in killing Serbs.
Justice, like the Common Good and the Public Interest are flexible and
relative concepts which, like the word is, find meaning in the eye of
the beholder. Those who protest the Iraq war now were silent when we
bombed the Serbs into submission then. Yet the Serbs did not attack us
either. So why was it just to bomb Serb children but not Iraqi children?
The Serbs did not bomb the French or invade the Germans. So why do the
same French and Germans, who even now occupy the Serbs, object to a US
occupation of Iraq? Why did they demand UN approval for our war but shun
that same UN for their war?
Anyone who thinks Saddam Hussein is neutral in the larger Muslim
fundamentalist war against us for our support of Israel must be in
denial. The Arabs have their idea of justice and it differs markedly
from that of the Israelis. No, either we change our foreign policy to
please the Arabs, the Israelis, or ourselves. That is what this conflict
is about. It is not about oil. It is not about justice. It is all about
our support of Israeli interests at the expense of Arab interests.
Live and let live does not seem to be universally accepted. Someone is
trying to kill us. Decide on your interests, not those of either the
Israelis or the Arabs. Whose interest are you willing to kill or die for?
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