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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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10 Jun 2007 12:28:33 AM |
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FDR's Wartime Prayer |
Following Newt Gingrich saying this prayer at Liberty University's
Graduation ceremony this year, I felt it was important to post this
prayer by the greatest Democrat President to have ever served, since
his words echo so important in our day and age and current
conflicts...
"My Fellow Americans:
"Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew
at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were
crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to
pass with success thus far.
"And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in
prayer:
"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set
upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our
religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.
"Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms,
stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.
"They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard.
For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not
come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we
know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our
sons will triumph.
"They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest --
until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and
flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.
"For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight
not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight
to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and
goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle,
for their return to the haven of home.
"Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them,
Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.
"And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters,
and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are
ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in
renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.
"Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day
of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is
great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of
prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent,
let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.
"Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble
the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of
our armed forces.
"And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to
bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons
wheresoever they may be.
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our
sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the
keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary
events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these
deter us in our unconquerable purpose.
"With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our
enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances.
Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into
a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable to
the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men
live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.
"Thy will be done, Almighty God.
"Amen.
Ken Clifton
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10 Jun 2007 12:06:54 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:28:33 -0700, Wide Eyed in Wonder
<writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
Following Newt Gingrich saying this prayer at Liberty University's
Graduation ceremony this year, I felt it was important to post this
prayer by the greatest Democrat President to have ever served, since
his words echo so important in our day and age and current
conflicts...
"My Fellow Americans:
"Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew
at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were
crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to
pass with success thus far.
"And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in
prayer:
"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set
upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our
religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.
(snip)
Ken Clifton
That's an extremely generic God Roosevelt mentions - no Jesus, no
Mary, and no Holy Ghost (Casper?)
WB Yeats
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| User: "God is Redeemer" |
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10 Jun 2007 12:17:48 PM |
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On Jun 10, 12:06 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:28:33 -0700, Wide Eyed in Wonder
<writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Following Newt Gingrich saying this prayer at Liberty University's
Graduation ceremony this year, I felt it was important to post this
prayer by the greatest Democrat President to have ever served, since
his words echo so important in our day and age and current
conflicts...
"My Fellow Americans:
"Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew
at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were
crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to
pass with success thus far.
"And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in
prayer:
"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set
upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our
religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.
(snip)
Ken Clifton
That's an extremely generic God Roosevelt mentions - no Jesus, no
Mary, and no Holy Ghost (Casper?)
WB Yeats
And? Are you saying that any government official can speak of God if
general terms are used or what? Or, are you saying that we should ALL
support war on evil with our prayers, no matter the religion?
Ken Clifton
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| User: "Topaz" |
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11 Jun 2007 04:51:55 PM |
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An article by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, November 30, 1941
Mr. Roosevelt Cross-Examined
by Joseph Goebbels
"On 28 October, more than a month ago, U.S. President Franklin D.
Roosevelt gave a radio speech which apparently had as its goal
plunging the American people into uncertainty and panic and thus to
prepare gradually for the fateful intervention which the American
president desires, regardless of American public opinion. The speech
differed from all of his previous speeches in that Roosevelt did not
limit himself to the almost traditional and unconscionable and
slanderous attacks on the Führer and National Socialist Germany. This
time he made concrete accusations against the policies of the Reich,
which he attempted to prove though compromising documents he allegedly
possessed.
Mr. Roosevelt claimed that he had proof in his hands that the Axis
powers were planning to reorganize South and Central America. They
were planning to transform the existing fourteen countries into five
states that would be under their control. His proof was a secret map
allegedly produced by the Reich government. The American government
also claims to possess another Reich document. According to it, the
Reich government plans, once it has won the war, to abolish the
existing religions of the world-Catholicism, Protestantism,
Mohammedism, Hinduism. Buddhism and Judaism. They are to be replaced
by an international National Socialist church, the cross by the
swastika and God by the Führer. That is what he claims.
It is clear to us that Mr. Roosevelt needed this grand swindle to whip
up American public opinion. He needed the heaviest possible
ammunition, since the American people are at the moment more
intelligent than their government and want absolutely nothing to do
with the war in Europe. We really are not all that interested in Mr.
Roosevelt's opinion of the intelligence of his people nor in what he
thinks them capable of believing, and normally would see no need to
reply to his bald-faced and outrageous lies which so clearly bear the
signs of fabrication. In this case, however, it is a matter of a
political falsification which seems to us to have a clear and ominous
purpose, and gave us such an easy chance to show up the liars to the
entire world that we could hardly let the opportunity pass. We had to
overcome our moral scruples, however, to confront the liar and ask him
where he got these alleged documents from, where they can be found,
and if he was ready to show them to the public.
Things went as we expected. Mr. Roosevelt, the president of a nation
of 130 million, dodged our questions. He claimed the authenticity of
the documents was unassailable; he had them. They could not be
published, however, since they were secret and publishing them would
reveal the source. And the map in question that carved up Central and
South America had markings in pencil which could compromise the source
that provided them. He, Roosevelt, did not want to cause any
difficulties for the poor chap who passed them along.
Would that we had such a president! He is a well-meaning soul who
cares for his scoundrels. Given his speeches and actions, he would not
hesitate to send hundreds of thousands of soldiers to the battlefield,
even perhaps sacrificing them in service to his crazy plans of
conquest, but the thought of causing a fine and honorable traitor any
trouble breaks his heart. As one can imagine, Roosevelt's answer was
not very convincing proof of his hair-raising allegations either at
home or abroad. Our tough questions bore fruit. We used the press and
radio to propose to the American president that he might publish the
incriminating map of Central and South America, perhaps either erasing
the ominous pencil markings or covering them up with paper, and to at
least publish the text of our notorious plan to begin a campaign
against all the world's religions once the war was over, from Jehovah
to Confucius to Christ.
Mr. Roosevelt sank into silence, saying nothing at all. Only one of
his creatures, the former Argentinean bordello-owner and pimp Taborda,
who happened to be visiting him at the time, said that he had been
able to sneak a look at the map, and that all was as Mr. Roosevelt
said. More he could not say, since he had given his word of honor.
One can understand our reluctance to consider the word of honor of so
dubious an underworld figure as absolutely convincing. We looked
further, and since we could learn nothing more given the stubborn
silence of the accuser, we attempted to lure him into a response by
massive attacks. Alas, the normally talkative gentleman seemed to have
forgotten how to speak. Even the attempts of the American press to
learn something more as he visited one of the famous skyscrapers were
in vain.
The Reich government published two formal denials on 1 November, which
boxed Roosevelt's ears so strongly that he had to chose between
revealing his documents or proving himself a forger and liar to the
entire world. He chose the latter. The U.S. press gave headline
treatment to the German denials and asked for a response. Mr.
Roosevelt accepted the blows, rubbed his checks and said nothing. We
made every conceivable suggestion to ease the publication of the
documents, but the U.S. president preferred to be thought a liar and
forger than to prove his absurd accusations.
That's the way things are. We do not flatter ourselves by believing
that we have some way to force Mr. Roosevelt to speak. He apparently
has every reason to hope the matter will be forgotten. When he made
his charges, one could perhaps generously grant that he believed them.
It was at least possible that he had been the victim of some sort of
swindle and had believed in the documents' authenticity. That is no
longer possible, for if he had been acting honestly he would have
provided the evidence supporting his accusations. He has not done so.
That is sufficient proof that he was not the victim of a forgery,
rather that he himself was directly or indirectly involved. This is a
matter of war and peace, and the American public has every right to
examine its president and his actions, to ask him about these
documents, why Mr. Roosevelt has not published them. whether he still
stands by his speech of 28 October, and what he plans to do to restore
the damage done to his reputation by the two German denials that
accuse him of forgery.
One always feels the need to wash one's hands after being forced to
deal with the methods of U.S. interventionism. It is so unpleasant and
filthy that one shudders. One hears the pious nonsense of the
Jewish-ruled world plutocracy over the radio or reads them in the
press, one need only to look behind the scenes to feel pity for the
miseries of mankind. That such a man has the impudence to judge us, to
call on God and the world as his witnesses of the purity of his deeds,
to incite war and send innocent people singing "Onward Christian
Soldiers" to battle for his filthy financial interests can only fill
anyone with even the most primitive sense of decency with the deepest
horror. Were there only such people in the world, one would have to
despise humanity..."
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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10 Jun 2007 10:32:23 PM |
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God is Redeemer <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
And? Are you saying that any government official can speak of God
As a personal expression of faith, yes. On behalf of the government,
never.
if general terms are used or what?
The court has ruled that "Ceremonial Deism" is constitutional. That
is the ritualistic invocation of "God" without any specific religious
intent.
Whether FDR was practicing ceremonial deism, or making a personal
expression of faith is something that would be up to a court to
decide, if anyone actually cared.
lojbab
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10 Jun 2007 06:47:19 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:17:48 -0700, God is Redeemer
<kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 10, 12:06 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:28:33 -0700, Wide Eyed in Wonder
<writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Following Newt Gingrich saying this prayer at Liberty University's
Graduation ceremony this year, I felt it was important to post this
prayer by the greatest Democrat President to have ever served, since
his words echo so important in our day and age and current
conflicts...
"My Fellow Americans:
"Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew
at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were
crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to
pass with success thus far.
"And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in
prayer:
"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set
upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our
religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.
(snip)
Ken Clifton
That's an extremely generic God Roosevelt mentions - no Jesus, no
Mary, and no Holy Ghost (Casper?)
WB Yeats
And? Are you saying that any government official can speak of God if
general terms are used or what? Or, are you saying that we should ALL
support war on evil with our prayers, no matter the religion?
Another nom de plume? God is mentioned all the time by government
officials. Where the disconnect comes is when government officials
tell us all about how "Jesus is their Lord and Savior" (see the last
Rep. debate). And if you choose to pray against evil fine. Just don't
define your 'evil' as a religion that doesn't agree with your
perception of the world. And of course any religion should fight evil.
Just don't use the 'evil' which the Catholic Church (as example) used
as an excuse to carry out the Inquisition.
WB Yeats
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| User: "Roger" |
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10 Jun 2007 01:48:46 AM |
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Your point being?
Everyone makes mistakes.
At least his are over. The mistakes of the religious are still killing
innocents the world over.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1181453313.007703.66500@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Following Newt Gingrich saying this prayer at Liberty University's
Graduation ceremony this year, I felt it was important to post this
prayer by the greatest Democrat President to have ever served, since
his words echo so important in our day and age and current
conflicts...
"My Fellow Americans:
"Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew
at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were
crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to
pass with success thus far.
"And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in
prayer:
"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set
upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our
religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.
"Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms,
stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.
"They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard.
For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not
come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we
know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our
sons will triumph.
"They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest --
until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and
flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.
"For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight
not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight
to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and
goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle,
for their return to the haven of home.
"Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them,
Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.
"And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters,
and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are
ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in
renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.
"Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day
of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is
great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of
prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent,
let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.
"Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble
the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of
our armed forces.
"And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to
bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons
wheresoever they may be.
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our
sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the
keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary
events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these
deter us in our unconquerable purpose.
"With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our
enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances.
Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into
a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable to
the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men
live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.
"Thy will be done, Almighty God.
"Amen.
Ken Clifton
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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10 Jun 2007 12:05:49 PM |
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Indeed, every time the religious break they own law, evil occurs.
Thank you for pointing out the value of religion.
On Jun 10, 1:48 am, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your point being?
Everyone makes mistakes.
At least his are over. The mistakes of the religious are still killing
innocents the world over.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1181453313.007703.66500@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Following Newt Gingrich saying this prayer at Liberty University's
Graduation ceremony this year, I felt it was important to post this
prayer by the greatest Democrat President to have ever served, since
his words echo so important in our day and age and current
conflicts...
"My Fellow Americans:
"Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew
at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were
crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to
pass with success thus far.
"And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in
prayer:
"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set
upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our
religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.
"Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms,
stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.
"They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard.
For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not
come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we
know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our
sons will triumph.
"They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest --
until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and
flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.
"For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight
not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight
to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and
goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle,
for their return to the haven of home.
"Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them,
Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.
"And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters,
and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are
ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in
renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.
"Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day
of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is
great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of
prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent,
let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.
"Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble
the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of
our armed forces.
"And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to
bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons
wheresoever they may be.
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our
sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the
keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary
events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these
deter us in our unconquerable purpose.
"With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our
enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances.
Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into
a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable to
the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men
live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.
"Thy will be done, Almighty God.
"Amen.
Ken Clifton
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| User: "Roger" |
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10 Jun 2007 05:49:26 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181495149.337209.141510@r19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Indeed, every time the religious break they own law, evil occurs.
Thank you for pointing out the value of religion.
What's the point of laws if they get broken all the time?
On Jun 10, 1:48 am, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your point being?
Everyone makes mistakes.
At least his are over. The mistakes of the religious are still killing
innocents the world over.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:1181453313.007703.66500@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Following Newt Gingrich saying this prayer at Liberty University's
Graduation ceremony this year, I felt it was important to post this
prayer by the greatest Democrat President to have ever served, since
his words echo so important in our day and age and current
conflicts...
"My Fellow Americans:
"Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew
at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were
crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to
pass with success thus far.
"And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in
prayer:
"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set
upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our
religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.
"Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms,
stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.
"They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard.
For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not
come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we
know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our
sons will triumph.
"They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest --
until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and
flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.
"For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight
not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight
to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and
goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle,
for their return to the haven of home.
"Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them,
Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.
"And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters,
and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are
ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in
renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.
"Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day
of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is
great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of
prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent,
let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.
"Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble
the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of
our armed forces.
"And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to
bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons
wheresoever they may be.
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our
sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the
keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary
events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these
deter us in our unconquerable purpose.
"With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our
enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances.
Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into
a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable to
the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men
live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.
"Thy will be done, Almighty God.
"Amen.
Ken Clifton
Ken Clifton
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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11 Jun 2007 08:43:15 AM |
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The point is that the laws cannot be held to blame for those that
willingly break them.
On Jun 10, 5:49 pm, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1181495149.337209.141510@r19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Indeed, every time the religious break they own law, evil occurs.
Thank you for pointing out the value of religion.
What's the point of laws if they get broken all the time?
On Jun 10, 1:48 am, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your point being?
Everyone makes mistakes.
At least his are over. The mistakes of the religious are still killing
innocents the world over.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:1181453313.007703.66500@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Following Newt Gingrich saying this prayer at Liberty University's
Graduation ceremony this year, I felt it was important to post this
prayer by the greatest Democrat President to have ever served, since
his words echo so important in our day and age and current
conflicts...
"My Fellow Americans:
"Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew
at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were
crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to
pass with success thus far.
"And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in
prayer:
"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set
upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our
religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.
"Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms,
stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.
"They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard.
For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not
come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we
know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our
sons will triumph.
"They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest --
until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and
flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.
"For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight
not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight
to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and
goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle,
for their return to the haven of home.
"Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them,
Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.
"And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters,
and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are
ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in
renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.
"Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day
of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is
great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of
prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent,
let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.
"Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble
the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of
our armed forces.
"And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to
bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons
wheresoever they may be.
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our
sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the
keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary
events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these
deter us in our unconquerable purpose.
"With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our
enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances.
Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into
a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable to
the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men
live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.
"Thy will be done, Almighty God.
"Amen.
Ken Clifton
Ken Clifton
Ken Clifton
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181569395.654961.265410@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The point is that the laws cannot be held to blame for those that
willingly break them.
You argue in circles.
You are a true Christian.
On Jun 10, 5:49 pm, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:1181495149.337209.141510@r19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Indeed, every time the religious break they own law, evil occurs.
Thank you for pointing out the value of religion.
What's the point of laws if they get broken all the time?
On Jun 10, 1:48 am, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your point being?
Everyone makes mistakes.
At least his are over. The mistakes of the religious are still killing
innocents the world over.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:1181453313.007703.66500@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Following Newt Gingrich saying this prayer at Liberty University's
Graduation ceremony this year, I felt it was important to post this
prayer by the greatest Democrat President to have ever served, since
his words echo so important in our day and age and current
conflicts...
"My Fellow Americans:
"Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew
at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were
crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come
to
pass with success thus far.
"And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in
prayer:
"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set
upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our
religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering
humanity.
"Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms,
stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.
"They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard.
For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may
not
come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we
know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our
sons will triumph.
"They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest --
until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and
flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.
"For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They
fight
not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight
to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and
goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle,
for their return to the haven of home.
"Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them,
Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.
"And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives,
sisters,
and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are
ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in
renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.
"Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day
of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is
great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of
prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is
spent,
let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our
efforts.
"Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to
redouble
the contributions we make in the physical and the material support
of
our armed forces.
"And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to
bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons
wheresoever they may be.
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our
sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the
keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of
temporary
events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these
deter us in our unconquerable purpose.
"With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of
our
enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial
arrogances.
Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations
into
a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable
to
the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men
live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.
"Thy will be done, Almighty God.
"Amen.
Ken Clifton
Ken Clifton
Ken Clifton
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