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Politics > Politics-USA |
| User: |
"Harry Hope" |
| Date: |
14 Mar 2006 11:51:03 AM |
| Object: |
First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating, among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
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| User: "Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
14 Mar 2006 02:43:06 PM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating, among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
A memo describing the activities of the organization? Oooooh, how
sinister...
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| User: "Larry Hewitt" |
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| Title: Re: First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
14 Mar 2006 04:10:52 PM |
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating, among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
A memo describing the activities of the organization? Oooooh, how
sinister...
Yep. very sinister.
Why DOD they care?
Why was the FBI interested in political activity protected by the
constitution?
Or are you insinuating that a little unconstitutional spying is ok, just no
a lot? Or unconstitutional activity is a good thing if done to the right
people?
Larry
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| User: "Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
15 Mar 2006 09:55:44 AM |
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"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating, among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
A memo describing the activities of the organization? Oooooh, how
sinister...
Yep. very sinister.
Why DOD they care?
Why was the FBI interested in political activity protected by the
constitution?
Or are you insinuating that a little unconstitutional spying is ok, just
no
a lot? Or unconstitutional activity is a good thing if done to the right
people?
Larry
Just how is investigating a potential terrorist group unconstitutional?
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| User: "Dion" |
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| Title: Re: First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
15 Mar 2006 11:02:27 AM |
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led
war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton
Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating,
among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who
and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
A memo describing the activities of the organization? Oooooh, how
sinister...
Yep. very sinister.
Why DOD they care?
Why was the FBI interested in political activity protected by the
constitution?
Or are you insinuating that a little unconstitutional spying is ok, just
no
a lot? Or unconstitutional activity is a good thing if done to the right
people?
Larry
Just how is investigating a potential terrorist group unconstitutional?
If the government is spying on American citizens without a warrant, it is
unconstitutional.
--
Dion
The right of the people to be secure
in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue,
but upon probable cause, supported
by Oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched,
and the persons or things to be seized.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
15 Mar 2006 03:42:45 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:02:27 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote:
"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message
news:dv7f2d$6tpt$1@news3.infoave.net...
"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led
war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton
Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating,
among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who
and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
A memo describing the activities of the organization? Oooooh, how
sinister...
Yep. very sinister.
Why DOD they care?
Why was the FBI interested in political activity protected by the
constitution?
Or are you insinuating that a little unconstitutional spying is ok, just
no
a lot? Or unconstitutional activity is a good thing if done to the right
people?
Larry
Just how is investigating a potential terrorist group unconstitutional?
If the government is spying on American citizens without a warrant, it is
unconstitutional.
Here is where you are wrong. The government and law enforcement can
spy on citizens without a warrant. What they may not be able to do is
to tap their phones and perform search and seizures or enter private
residences with out a warrant. Even this has it's exceptions.
--
"Civilizaton is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Dion" |
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| Title: Re: First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
15 Mar 2006 03:56:11 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:02:27 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote:
"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314
..html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union
reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led
war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton
Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating,
among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf
of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who
and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the
Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
A memo describing the activities of the organization? Oooooh, how
sinister...
Yep. very sinister.
Why DOD they care?
Why was the FBI interested in political activity protected by the
constitution?
Or are you insinuating that a little unconstitutional spying is ok,
just
no
a lot? Or unconstitutional activity is a good thing if done to the
right
people?
Larry
Just how is investigating a potential terrorist group unconstitutional?
If the government is spying on American citizens without a warrant, it is
unconstitutional.
Here is where you are wrong. The government and law enforcement can
spy on citizens without a warrant. What they may not be able to do is
to tap their phones and perform search and seizures or enter private
residences with out a warrant. Even this has it's exceptions.
Spying is too broad a term then. So I'll need to take out *spying* and put
in *wire tapping, search and seizures*, to make my above comments correct.
--
Dion
The right of the people to be secure
in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue,
but upon probable cause, supported
by Oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched,
and the persons or things to be seized.
.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
15 Mar 2006 09:08:29 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:56:11 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:02:27 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote:
"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
news:4OWRf.20224$733.15187@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7l0e12pu0slca07e69360cdff9cehneib8@4ax.com...
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314
.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union
reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led
war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton
Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating,
among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf
of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who
and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the
Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
A memo describing the activities of the organization? Oooooh, how
sinister...
Yep. very sinister.
Why DOD they care?
Why was the FBI interested in political activity protected by the
constitution?
Or are you insinuating that a little unconstitutional spying is ok,
just
no
a lot? Or unconstitutional activity is a good thing if done to the
right
people?
Larry
Just how is investigating a potential terrorist group unconstitutional?
If the government is spying on American citizens without a warrant, it is
unconstitutional.
Here is where you are wrong. The government and law enforcement can
spy on citizens without a warrant. What they may not be able to do is
to tap their phones and perform search and seizures or enter private
residences with out a warrant. Even this has it's exceptions.
Spying is too broad a term then. So I'll need to take out *spying* and put
in *wire tapping, search and seizures*, to make my above comments correct.
OK.
--
"Civilizaton is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
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| User: "Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
16 Mar 2006 08:58:35 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:56:11 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:02:27 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote:
"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314
.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union
reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a
U.S.-led
war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a
classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton
Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was]
currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating,
among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf
of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and
faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines
who
and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the
Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
A memo describing the activities of the organization? Oooooh, how
sinister...
Yep. very sinister.
Why DOD they care?
Why was the FBI interested in political activity protected by the
constitution?
Or are you insinuating that a little unconstitutional spying is ok,
just
no
a lot? Or unconstitutional activity is a good thing if done to the
right
people?
Larry
Just how is investigating a potential terrorist group
unconstitutional?
If the government is spying on American citizens without a warrant, it
is
unconstitutional.
Here is where you are wrong. The government and law enforcement can
spy on citizens without a warrant. What they may not be able to do is
to tap their phones and perform search and seizures or enter private
residences with out a warrant. Even this has it's exceptions.
Spying is too broad a term then. So I'll need to take out *spying* and put
in *wire tapping, search and seizures*, to make my above comments correct.
OK.
Except there is none of that referenced in the story.
--
"Civilizaton is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: First concrete evidence of domestic spying for anti-war views |
16 Mar 2006 10:31:31 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:58:35 GMT, "Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:56:11 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:02:27 -0500, "Dion" <dion@noreturn.com> wrote:
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314
.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union
reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a
U.S.-led
war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a
classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton
Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was]
currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating,
among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf
of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and
faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines
who
and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the
Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
A memo describing the activities of the organization? Oooooh, how
sinister...
Yep. very sinister.
Why DOD they care?
Why was the FBI interested in political activity protected by the
constitution?
Or are you insinuating that a little unconstitutional spying is ok,
just
no
a lot? Or unconstitutional activity is a good thing if done to the
right
people?
Larry
Just how is investigating a potential terrorist group
unconstitutional?
If the government is spying on American citizens without a warrant, it
is
unconstitutional.
Here is where you are wrong. The government and law enforcement can
spy on citizens without a warrant. What they may not be able to do is
to tap their phones and perform search and seizures or enter private
residences with out a warrant. Even this has it's exceptions.
Spying is too broad a term then. So I'll need to take out *spying* and put
in *wire tapping, search and seizures*, to make my above comments correct.
OK.
Except there is none of that referenced in the story.
Also true.
--
"Civilizaton is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
--
"Civilizaton is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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14 Mar 2006 11:58:44 AM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7l0e12pu0slca07e69360cdff9cehneib8@4ax.com...
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating, among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
No. You have the FBI confused with the NSA. Besides, if it's okay for Bill
Clinton to do it, why do you care if Bush does?
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| User: "Political Pagan" |
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14 Mar 2006 01:01:50 PM |
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"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in
news:ovDRf.14245$g91.2497@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com:
Besides, if it's okay for Bill
Clinton to do it, why do you care if Bush does?
The few times Clinton did tap phones, he had warrants from FISA, something
Shrubya never did. Shrub broke the law and the public trust, get over it.
No amount of blaming Clinton is going to change that fact.
--
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." - Theodore Roosevelt
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14 Mar 2006 01:36:59 PM |
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"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in message
news:ovDRf.14245$g91.2497@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7l0e12pu0slca07e69360cdff9cehneib8@4ax.com...
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating, among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
No. You have the FBI confused with the NSA.
Simply a lie.
Besides, if it's okay for Bill
Clinton to do it,
Simply a lie.
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| User: "ggg" |
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14 Mar 2006 12:11:51 PM |
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IT'S NOT OK WITH BILL, IT'S NOT OK WITH BUSH - THAT'S THE POINT (:-)
"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in message
news:ovDRf.14245$g91.2497@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7l0e12pu0slca07e69360cdff9cehneib8@4ax.com...
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating, among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
No. You have the FBI confused with the NSA. Besides, if it's okay for
Bill Clinton to do it, why do you care if Bush does?
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| User: "ggg" |
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14 Mar 2006 11:59:28 AM |
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I DON'T THINK IT IS THE FIRST ...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7l0e12pu0slca07e69360cdff9cehneib8@4ax.com...
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led war.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating, among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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14 Mar 2006 03:11:06 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:51:03 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_releases_first_concrete_evidence_of_0314.html
ACLU releases 'first concrete evidence' of domestic spying for
anti-war views
RAW STORY
Tuesday March 14, 2006
Documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal
that the Federal Bureau of Investigations has indeed monitored
political groups solely on the basis that they opposed a U.S.-led war.
This has nothing to do with the NSA or Wiretaps. The FBI has been
doing this kind of stuff ever sense J Edgar Hoover. Even ther Kennedys
spied on civil rights leaders like MLK.
According to a memo written in 2002, the FBI launched a classified
investigation into the activities of Pittsburgh's Thomas Merton Center
after becoming concerned that the group held "daily leaflet
distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh and [was] currently
focused on its opposition to the potential war on Iraq."
The memo aimed to summarize the investigation's results.
It identifies the group as "a left-wing organization advocating, among
many political causes, pacifism."
The ACLU has filed Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of
over 150 organizations and individuals.
The documents released as a result have revealed monitoring and
infiltration of political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based
groups by the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
"Something is seriously wrong in how our government determines who and
what constitutes terrorism when peace activists find themselves
targeted," remarked Jim Kleissler, Executive Director of the Thomas
Merton Center for Peace & Justice.
___________________________________________________________
There you have it. The fascists have been caught red-handed.
Harry
--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- ***** Cheney 11/16/2005
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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