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"Harry Hope" |
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30 May 2007 02:08:17 PM |
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Fred Thompson and Scooter Libby: Ooops! |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_b_49926.html
May 30, 2007
Fred Thompson and Scooter Libby: Ooops!
By Mark Kleiman
Fred Thompson hasn't been a real prosecutor for 35 years, but he plays
one on TV.
You might think he'd be careful about slandering a real prosecutors'
prosecutor on behalf of a convicted perjurer.
But you'd be wrong.
Ol' Fred may yet regret allowing his name to be used as a member of
the Advisory Board of the Scooter Libby Legal Defense Trust.
I'm not sure, but to ordinary folks that may look like "Arthur Branch"
is just a mite too cozy inside the Beltway.
But Thompson's real vulnerability is going to come from his speech to
the Council for National Policy,
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZDA3ODFkNTA4NDM3YWYzMzc0NWQ1NjY4ZjhkZjkwNDI
which Fitzgerald's sentencing memorandum in the Libby case shows to be
a mostly a pack of lies.
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/valerie_plame_/2007/05/shorter_patrick_fitzgerald.php
Thompson said:
As you may recall, for some inexplicable reason, the CIA sent the
husband of one of its employees to Niger on a sensitive mission. She
had suggested it. He came back to the U.S. and proceeded to publicly
blast the administration. Naturally, everyone wanted to know "who is
this guy?" and "why was he sent to Niger?" Just as naturally, the fact
that he was married to Valerie Plame at the CIA was leaked.
Having virtually guaranteed that Ms. Plame's identity would be
ultimately disclosed by using her, shall we say, "politically active"
husband, the CIA then demanded that this leak of her name be
investigated by the Justice Department for a possible violation of the
Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
The Justice Department, bowing to political and media pressure,
appointed a Special Counsel to investigate the leak and promised that
the Justice Department would exercise no supervision over him
whatsoever -- a status even the Attorney General does not have.
The only problem with this little scenario was that there was no
violation of the law, by anyone, and everybody -- the CIA, the Justice
Department and the Special Counsel knew it. Ms. Plame was not a
"covered person" under the statute and it was obvious from the outset.
Furthermore, Justice and the Special Counsel knew who leaked
Plames's name and it wasn't Scooter Libby. But the Beltway machinery
was well oiled and geared up so the Special Counsel spent the next two
years moving heaven and earth to come up with something, anything.
Finally he came up with some inconsistent recollections by Scooter
Libby, who had been up to his ears studying National Intelligence
Estimates. But he worked for ***** Cheney, so that apparently was
enough for the special counsel.
I didn't know Scooter Libby, but I did know something about this
intersection of law, politics, special counsels and intelligence. And
it was obvious to me that what was happening was not right. So I
called him to see what I could do to help, and along the way we became
friends. You know the rest of the story: a D.C. jury convicted him.
I've highlighted the parts that the sentencing memo demolishes.
(you'll have to go to
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_b_49926.html
to see the highlighting)
She was a covered person: working covertly, having her identity
actively protected, and having traveled abroad seven times under cover
in the five years prior to the leak, and while Libby wasn't the only
leaker he burned her to at least three different people before the
Novak column ran.
Note also the wonderful passive construction — Plame's CIA identity
"was leaked" (by no one in particular), and the deniably but
unmistakably racist crack about a "D.C. jury."
And this is the conservatives' Great White Hope against Rudy McRomney?
On this showing, I could make a better President out of paper maché.
______________________________________________________
Fred Thompson? Just another GOP dwarf. That makes 11.
Harry
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| User: "Wayne H. Wilhelm" |
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31 May 2007 01:32:45 AM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:1tir539dtsi3g0es6bpr79g19n47b6tlao@4ax.com...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_b_49926.html
<excess snipped>
I've highlighted the parts that the sentencing memo demolishes.
(you'll have to go to
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_b_49926.html
to see the highlighting)
She was a covered person: working covertly, having her identity
actively protected, and having traveled abroad seven times under cover
in the five years prior to the leak, and while Libby wasn't the only
leaker he burned her to at least three different people before the
Novak column ran.
In the years leading up to 2003...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58650-2003Oct7?language=printer
"Five years ago Plame married Joseph Wilson -- it was her second marriage,
his third. They crossed paths at a reception in Washington. "It was love at
first sight," Joseph Wilson reports. When they met, in 1997, Wilson held a
security clearance as political adviser to the general in charge of the U.S.
Armed Forces European Command.
For the past several years, she has served as an operations officer working
as a weapons proliferation analyst. She told neighbors, friends and even
some of her CIA colleagues that she was an "energy consultant." She lived
behind a facade even after she returned from abroad. It included a Boston
front company named Brewster-Jennings & Associates, which she listed as her
employer on a 1999 form in Federal Election Commission records for her
$1,000 contribution to Al Gore's presidential primary campaign. "
Less commonly known is that after marrying Joe Wilson, Valerie basically
became a desk jockey. Pregnant in early 1999 with twins, after the birth in
January 2000, Valerie became a basket case with abnormally severe postpartum
depression. Along with raising two exuberant twins, fighting her severe
depression, you expect us to believe the CIA sent Valerie on covert missions
overseas?
I'm sure the CIA would send competent operatives on covert missions
overseas. However, as far as the CIA was concerned, Valerie Plame Smith was
walking a tight-wire and couldn't be even remotely considered for such
missions, yet Harry would have us believe she was sent on seven different
covert operations in the 5 years preceeding the media publicizing her
identity.
Note also the wonderful passive construction - Plame's CIA identity
"was leaked" (by no one in particular), and the deniably but
unmistakably racist crack about a "D.C. jury."
And this is the conservatives' Great White Hope against Rudy McRomney?
On this showing, I could make a better President out of paper maché.
______________________________________________________
Fred Thompson? Just another GOP dwarf. That makes 11.
Harry
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Thompson and Scooter Libby: Ooops! |
31 May 2007 12:37:30 PM |
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"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilhelm@neonospam.rr.com> wrote in message
news:465e6c15$0$9960$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:1tir539dtsi3g0es6bpr79g19n47b6tlao@4ax.com...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_b_49926.html
<excess snipped>
I've highlighted the parts that the sentencing memo demolishes.
(you'll have to go to
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_b_49926.html
to see the highlighting)
She was a covered person: working covertly, having her identity
actively protected, and having traveled abroad seven times under cover
in the five years prior to the leak, and while Libby wasn't the only
leaker he burned her to at least three different people before the
Novak column ran.
In the years leading up to 2003...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58650-2003Oct7?language=printer
"Five years ago Plame married Joseph Wilson -- it was her second marriage,
his third. They crossed paths at a reception in Washington. "It was love
at first sight," Joseph Wilson reports. When they met, in 1997, Wilson
held a security clearance as political adviser to the general in charge of
the U.S. Armed Forces European Command.
For the past several years, she has served as an operations officer
working as a weapons proliferation analyst. She told neighbors, friends
and even some of her CIA colleagues that she was an "energy consultant."
She lived behind a facade even after she returned from abroad. It included
a Boston front company named Brewster-Jennings & Associates, which she
listed as her employer on a 1999 form in Federal Election Commission
records for her $1,000 contribution to Al Gore's presidential primary
campaign. "
Less commonly known is that after marrying Joe Wilson, Valerie basically
became a desk jockey. Pregnant in early 1999 with twins, after the birth
in January 2000, Valerie became a basket case with abnormally severe
postpartum depression. Along with raising two exuberant twins, fighting
her severe depression, you expect us to believe the CIA sent Valerie on
covert missions overseas?
I'm sure the CIA would send competent operatives on covert missions
overseas. However, as far as the CIA was concerned, Valerie Plame Smith
was walking a tight-wire and couldn't be even remotely considered for such
missions, yet Harry would have us believe she was sent on seven different
covert operations in the 5 years preceeding the media publicizing her
identity.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek/
The CIA Leak: Plame Was Still Covert
Feb. 13, 2006 issue - Newly released court papers could put holes in the
defense of ***** Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, in
the Valerie Plame leak case. Lawyers for Libby, and White House allies, have
repeatedly questioned whether Plame, the wife of White House critic Joe
Wilson, really had covert status when she was outed to the media in July
2003. But special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had indeed
done "covert work overseas" on counterproliferation matters in the past five
years, and the CIA "was making specific efforts to conceal" her identity,
according to newly released portions of a judge's opinion.
Note also the wonderful passive construction - Plame's CIA identity
"was leaked" (by no one in particular), and the deniably but
unmistakably racist crack about a "D.C. jury."
And this is the conservatives' Great White Hope against Rudy McRomney?
On this showing, I could make a better President out of paper maché.
______________________________________________________
Fred Thompson? Just another GOP dwarf. That makes 11.
Harry
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| User: "" |
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31 May 2007 09:14:43 AM |
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On 31-May-2007, "Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilhelm@neonospam.rr.com> wrote:
In the years leading up to 2003...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58650-2003Oct7?language=printer
"Five years ago Plame married Joseph Wilson -- it was her second marriage,
his third. They crossed paths at a reception in Washington. "It was love
at
first sight," Joseph Wilson reports. When they met, in 1997, Wilson held a
security clearance as political adviser to the general in charge of the
U.S.
Armed Forces European Command.
For the past several years, she has served as an operations officer
working
as a weapons proliferation analyst. She told neighbors, friends and even
some of her CIA colleagues that she was an "energy consultant." She lived
behind a facade even after she returned from abroad. It included a Boston
front company named Brewster-Jennings & Associates, which she listed as
her
employer on a 1999 form in Federal Election Commission records for her
$1,000 contribution to Al Gore's presidential primary campaign. "
Less commonly known is that after marrying Joe Wilson, Valerie basically
became a desk jockey. Pregnant in early 1999 with twins, after the birth
in
January 2000, Valerie became a basket case with abnormally severe
postpartum
depression. Along with raising two exuberant twins, fighting her severe
depression, you expect us to believe the CIA sent Valerie on covert
missions
overseas?
I'm sure the CIA would send competent operatives on covert missions
overseas. However, as far as the CIA was concerned, Valerie Plame Smith
was
walking a tight-wire and couldn't be even remotely considered for such
missions, yet Harry would have us believe she was sent on seven different
covert operations in the 5 years preceeding the media publicizing her
identity.
What difference does it make. You're saying that if someone doesn't think
a person's CIA identity is important, then it's OK to out them?
Dang, we call Ron Paul un-American for saying our foreign policy has
something to do with 911, but there's no problem with exposing the
identy of a CIA agent.
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| User: "Wayne H. Wilhelm" |
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01 Jun 2007 01:50:21 AM |
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<kkkisok_nospam@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:f3ml79095c@enews2.newsguy.com...
On 31-May-2007, "Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilhelm@neonospam.rr.com> wrote:
In the years leading up to 2003...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58650-2003Oct7?language=printer
"Five years ago Plame married Joseph Wilson -- it was her second
marriage,
his third. They crossed paths at a reception in Washington. "It was love
at
first sight," Joseph Wilson reports. When they met, in 1997, Wilson held
a
security clearance as political adviser to the general in charge of the
U.S.
Armed Forces European Command.
For the past several years, she has served as an operations officer
working
as a weapons proliferation analyst. She told neighbors, friends and even
some of her CIA colleagues that she was an "energy consultant." She lived
behind a facade even after she returned from abroad. It included a Boston
front company named Brewster-Jennings & Associates, which she listed as
her
employer on a 1999 form in Federal Election Commission records for her
$1,000 contribution to Al Gore's presidential primary campaign. "
Less commonly known is that after marrying Joe Wilson, Valerie basically
became a desk jockey. Pregnant in early 1999 with twins, after the birth
in
January 2000, Valerie became a basket case with abnormally severe
postpartum
depression. Along with raising two exuberant twins, fighting her severe
depression, you expect us to believe the CIA sent Valerie on covert
missions
overseas?
I'm sure the CIA would send competent operatives on covert missions
overseas. However, as far as the CIA was concerned, Valerie
was
walking a tight-wire and couldn't be even remotely considered for such
missions, yet Harry would have us believe she was sent on seven different
covert operations in the 5 years preceeding the media publicizing her
identity.
What difference does it make. You're saying that if someone doesn't think
a person's CIA identity is important, then it's OK to out them?
Dang, we call Ron Paul un-American for saying our foreign policy has
something to do with 911, but there's no problem with exposing the
identy of a CIA agent.
Those who know better than us made a law stating the identity of covert
operatives needed to be classified for 5 years for their protection. Those
who know better than us indicated that should be sufficient.
Of course, we have liberals who repeatedly release classified information to
the media on a regular basis and claim what in their defense?
Being familiar with engineering, everytime safety guidelines are
established, items such as house building codes, the codes always exceed,
frequently doubling standard values to ensure safety. So would it be with
the establishment of 5 years for protecting covert operatives after they
become no longer active. So it is with Valerie. We know she wasn't active
after she became pregnant. In that two years after she met her current
husband (one year of it within the 5 year protection), just how active was
she?
I still maintain her hubby wouldn't have let her go on dangerous missions
after they got hitched, and that would put any activity on her part past the
5 year limitation. As to any rumored CIA claims to the contrary, such
claims are pure B.S.. Plames so-called outing was in 2003, 4 years ago.
Any active undercover operations she may have participated in were well past
the 5 year limit and hence should be declassified. I maintain the only
reason the CIA wants to keep her role classified is because the CIA doesn't
want the public to know they were paying outrageous wages to an unqualified
employee simply because of whom she was married to.
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Thompson and Scooter Libby: Ooops! |
01 Jun 2007 10:43:33 AM |
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"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilhelm@neonospam.rr.com> wrote in message
news:465fc1ae$0$4686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
<kkkisok_nospam@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:f3ml79095c@enews2.newsguy.com...
On 31-May-2007, "Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilhelm@neonospam.rr.com> wrote:
In the years leading up to 2003...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58650-2003Oct7?language=printer
"Five years ago Plame married Joseph Wilson -- it was her second
marriage,
his third. They crossed paths at a reception in Washington. "It was love
at
first sight," Joseph Wilson reports. When they met, in 1997, Wilson held
a
security clearance as political adviser to the general in charge of the
U.S.
Armed Forces European Command.
For the past several years, she has served as an operations officer
working
as a weapons proliferation analyst. She told neighbors, friends and even
some of her CIA colleagues that she was an "energy consultant." She
lived
behind a facade even after she returned from abroad. It included a
Boston
front company named Brewster-Jennings & Associates, which she listed as
her
employer on a 1999 form in Federal Election Commission records for her
$1,000 contribution to Al Gore's presidential primary campaign. "
Less commonly known is that after marrying Joe Wilson, Valerie basically
became a desk jockey. Pregnant in early 1999 with twins, after the
birth
in
January 2000, Valerie became a basket case with abnormally severe
postpartum
depression. Along with raising two exuberant twins, fighting her severe
depression, you expect us to believe the CIA sent Valerie on covert
missions
overseas?
I'm sure the CIA would send competent operatives on covert missions
overseas. However, as far as the CIA was concerned, Valerie
was
walking a tight-wire and couldn't be even remotely considered for such
missions, yet Harry would have us believe she was sent on seven
different
covert operations in the 5 years preceeding the media publicizing her
identity.
What difference does it make. You're saying that if someone doesn't think
a person's CIA identity is important, then it's OK to out them?
Dang, we call Ron Paul un-American for saying our foreign policy has
something to do with 911, but there's no problem with exposing the
identy of a CIA agent.
Those who know better than us made a law stating the identity of covert
operatives needed to be classified for 5 years for their protection.
Those who know better than us indicated that should be sufficient.
Of course, we have liberals who repeatedly release classified information
to the media on a regular basis and claim what in their defense?
Being familiar with engineering, everytime safety guidelines are
established, items such as house building codes, the codes always exceed,
frequently doubling standard values to ensure safety. So would it be
with the establishment of 5 years for protecting covert operatives after
they become no longer active. So it is with Valerie. We know she wasn't
active after she became pregnant. In that two years after she met her
current husband (one year of it within the 5 year protection), just how
active was she?
I still maintain her hubby wouldn't have let her go on dangerous missions
after they got hitched, and that would put any activity on her part past
the 5 year limitation. As to any rumored CIA claims to the contrary, such
claims are pure B.S.. Plames so-called outing was in 2003, 4 years ago.
Any active undercover operations she may have participated in were well
past the 5 year limit and hence should be declassified. I maintain the
only reason the CIA wants to keep her role classified is because the CIA
doesn't want the public to know they were paying outrageous wages to an
unqualified employee simply because of whom she was married to.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18927332/site/newsweek/
Arguing that Libby deserves jail time, Fitzgerald says Plame was a covert
agent.
By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek
Updated: 4:26 p.m. PT May 29, 2007
May 29, 2007 - In new court filings, special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald has
finally resolved one of the most disputed issues at the core of the
long-running CIA leak controversy: Valerie Plame Wilson, he asserts, was a
“covert” CIA officer who repeatedly traveled overseas using a “cover
identity” in order to disguise her relationship with the agency.
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31 May 2007 01:40:16 AM |
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On May 30, 11:32 pm, "Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilh...@neonospam.rr.com>
wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:1tir539dtsi3g0es6bpr79g19n47b6tlao@4ax.com...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_...
<excess snipped>
I've highlighted the parts that the sentencing memo demolishes.
(you'll have to go to
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_...
to see the highlighting)
She was a covered person: working covertly, having her identity
actively protected, and having traveled abroad seven times under cover
in the five years prior to the leak, and while Libby wasn't the only
leaker he burned her to at least three different people before the
Novak column ran.
In the years leading up to 2003...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58650-2003Oct7?language=pri...
"Five years ago Plame married Joseph Wilson -- it was her second marriage,
his third. They crossed paths at a reception in Washington. "It was love at
first sight," Joseph Wilson reports. When they met, in 1997, Wilson held a
security clearance as political adviser to the general in charge of the U.S.
Armed Forces European Command.
For the past several years, she has served as an operations officer working
as a weapons proliferation analyst. She told neighbors, friends and even
some of her CIA colleagues that she was an "energy consultant." She lived
behind a facade even after she returned from abroad. It included a Boston
front company named Brewster-Jennings & Associates, which she listed as her
employer on a 1999 form in Federal Election Commission records for her
$1,000 contribution to Al Gore's presidential primary campaign. "
Less commonly known is that after marrying Joe Wilson, Valerie basically
became a desk jockey. Pregnant in early 1999 with twins, after the birth in
January 2000, Valerie became a basket case with abnormally severe postpartum
depression. Along with raising two exuberant twins, fighting her severe
depression, you expect us to believe the CIA sent Valerie on covert missions
overseas?
I'm sure the CIA would send competent operatives on covert missions
overseas. However, as far as the CIA was concerned, Valerie Plame Smith was
walking a tight-wire and couldn't be even remotely considered for such
missions, yet Harry would have us believe she was sent on seven different
covert operations in the 5 years preceeding the media publicizing her
identity.
I don't understand the mentality of people who continually bring up
the subject of Valerie Plame - thereby reminding everyone of the
illegal activities of some people associated with the White House.
This is old news. Scooter Libby has been found guilty.
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| User: "Wayne H. Wilhelm" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Thompson and Scooter Libby: Ooops! |
01 Jun 2007 01:35:31 AM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1180593616.738632.123900@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 30, 11:32 pm, "Wayne H. Wilhelm" <wwilh...@neonospam.rr.com>
wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:1tir539dtsi3g0es6bpr79g19n47b6tlao@4ax.com...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_...
<excess snipped>
I've highlighted the parts that the sentencing memo demolishes.
(you'll have to go to
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/fred-thompson-and-scooter_...
to see the highlighting)
She was a covered person: working covertly, having her identity
actively protected, and having traveled abroad seven times under cover
in the five years prior to the leak, and while Libby wasn't the only
leaker he burned her to at least three different people before the
Novak column ran.
In the years leading up to 2003...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58650-2003Oct7?language=pri...
"Five years ago Plame married Joseph Wilson -- it was her second
marriage,
his third. They crossed paths at a reception in Washington. "It was love
at
first sight," Joseph Wilson reports. When they met, in 1997, Wilson held
a
security clearance as political adviser to the general in charge of the
U.S.
Armed Forces European Command.
For the past several years, she has served as an operations officer
working
as a weapons proliferation analyst. She told neighbors, friends and even
some of her CIA colleagues that she was an "energy consultant." She lived
behind a facade even after she returned from abroad. It included a Boston
front company named Brewster-Jennings & Associates, which she listed as
her
employer on a 1999 form in Federal Election Commission records for her
$1,000 contribution to Al Gore's presidential primary campaign. "
Less commonly known is that after marrying Joe Wilson, Valerie basically
became a desk jockey. Pregnant in early 1999 with twins, after the birth
in
January 2000, Valerie became a basket case with abnormally severe
postpartum
depression. Along with raising two exuberant twins, fighting her severe
depression, you expect us to believe the CIA sent Valerie on covert
missions
overseas?
I'm sure the CIA would send competent operatives on covert missions
overseas. However, as far as the CIA was concerned, Valerie Plame Smith
was
walking a tight-wire and couldn't be even remotely considered for such
missions, yet Harry would have us believe she was sent on seven different
covert operations in the 5 years preceeding the media publicizing her
identity.
I don't understand the mentality of people who continually bring up
the subject of Valerie Plame - thereby reminding everyone of the
illegal activities of some people associated with the White House.
This is old news. Scooter Libby has been found guilty.
He was found guilty of what?
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| User: "Dennis M" |
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30 May 2007 05:26:08 PM |
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And this is the conservatives' Great White Hope against Rudy McRomney?
Just make that Rudy McRomneyson.
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