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"Ken [NY" |
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14 Jul 2003 08:46:35 AM |
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French secret service 'kept CIA in the dark over Iraq and uranium' |
French secret service 'kept CIA in the dark over Iraq and uranium'
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 14/07/2003)
The French secret service is believed to have refused to allow MI6 to
give the Americans "credible" intelligence showing that Iraq was
trying to buy uranium ore from Niger, US intelligence sources said
yesterday.
MI6 had more than one "different and credible" piece of intelligence
to show that Iraq was attempting to buy the ore, known as yellowcake,
British officials insisted. But it was given to them by at least one
and possibly two intelligence services and, under the rules governing
cooperation, it could not be shared with anyone else without the
originator's permission.
US intelligence sources believe that the most likely source of the MI6
intelligence was the French secret service, the DGSE. Niger is a
former French colony and its uranium mines are run by a French company
that comes under the control of the French Atomic Energy Commission.
A further factor in the refusal to hand over the information might
have been concern that the US administration's willingness to
publicise intelligence might lead to sources being inadvertently
disclosed.
US sources also point out that the French government was vehemently
opposed to the war with Iraq and so suggest that it would have been
instinctively against the idea of passing on the intelligence.
British sources yesterday dismissed suggestions of a row between MI6
and the CIA on the issue. However, they admitted being surprised that
George Tenet, the CIA director, had apologised to President George W
Bush for allowing him to cite the British government and its claim
that Saddam had sought to acquire uranium from Africa in his State of
the Union speech last October.
The apology follows the International Atomic Energy Authority's
dismissal of documents given to it by the CIA, which purported to
prove the link, as fakes.
Those documents have been widely identified with last September's
British dossier on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, which said
Saddam Hussein was trying to buy uranium ore from an unnamed country
in Africa.
British officials admitted that the country was Niger but insisted
that the intelligence behind it was genuine and had nothing to do with
the fake documents. It was convincing and they were sticking with it,
the officials said.
They dismissed a report from a former US diplomat who was sent to
Niger to investigate the claims and rejected them. "He seems to have
asked a few people if it was true and when they said 'no' he accepted
it all," one official said. "We see no reason at all to change our
assessment."
The fake documents were not behind that assessment and were not seen
by MI6 until after they were denounced by the IAEA. If MI6 had seen
them earlier, it would have immediately advised the Americans that
they were fakes.
There had been a number of reports in America in particular suggesting
that the fake documents - which came from another intelligence source
- were passed on via MI6, the officials said. But this was not true.
"What they can't accuse MI6 of doing is passing anything on this to
the CIA because it didn't have the fake documents and it was not
allowed to pass on the intelligence it did have to anyone else."
Michael Smith's new book The Spying Game, which examines the
intelligence behind the September dossier, is published by Politico's.
Ken (NY)
Chairman,
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| User: "John of Aix" |
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| Title: Re: French secret service 'kept CIA in the dark over Iraq and uranium' |
16 Jul 2003 05:48:43 PM |
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"Ken [NY)" <email@below.the_text> a écrit dans le message de news:
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French secret service 'kept CIA in the dark over Iraq and uranium'
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 14/07/2003)
The French secret service is believed to have refused to allow MI6
to
give the Americans "credible" intelligence showing that Iraq was
trying to buy uranium ore from Niger, US intelligence sources said
yesterday.
Would these be the same intelligence sources that have shown such
mastery since before Sept 11?
French sources (me) said today that it is believed George Bush fucks
zebras on the first wednesday of the month.
I'm sure you'll give that as much credence as I give this article.
Show me the 'intelligence sources', give me a few names instead of
just
blethering and repeating every press release put out by the State
Department otherwise ***** with your anti-French propaganda.
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| User: "Pieter Wenk" |
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| Title: Re: French secret service 'kept CIA in the dark over Iraq and uranium' |
24 Jul 2003 04:10:10 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:02:47 +0200, "John of Aix"
<j.murphyNOSPAM@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> a écrit dans le message de news:
se5ghvsj5e6g62lv8bi2d0kmpsmo125ek5@4ax.com...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:45:49 -0400, "Ken [NY)"
<email@below.the_text>
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:48:43 +0200, "John of Aix"
<j.murphyNOSPAM@libertysurf.fr> ranted:
***** with your anti-French propaganda.
Oh, but bashing the French is such FUN. And they certainly
deserve every word.
Quite helpful in order getting help from *Old Europe*...You will
have
to perform *clean-up* work in Iraq on you own.
You wanted to do it on your own.....Now assume this responsibility.
Hear hear, I really hope that Europe and the UN tell the USA to go to
hell. They made their bed, they can damn well lie on it.
Hm yes. However what would be the alternative if USA fails ?
Presently you have in Iraq fights for the power. This country is still
ruled by clans and tribes...conditions absolutely in favor for a
democracy....according to Pentagon clowns.
There is actually absolutely no stability in the whole region. It
could even happen...that Iraq could fall apart in different
sectors....geopardizing at the same time the unity of this country,
having borders drawed....by ignoring on purpose peoples wishes.
Regards
--
Pieter Wenk /CH-1800 Vevey - Rivièra Vaudoise
These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece
the people.
--Abraham Lincoln, 1837
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| User: "John of Aix" |
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| Title: Re: French secret service 'kept CIA in the dark over Iraq and uranium' |
24 Jul 2003 07:33:38 AM |
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"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> a écrit dans le message de news:
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:02:47 +0200, "John of Aix"
<j.murphyNOSPAM@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> a écrit dans le message de news:
se5ghvsj5e6g62lv8bi2d0kmpsmo125ek5@4ax.com...
Quite helpful in order getting help from *Old Europe*...You will
have
to perform *clean-up* work in Iraq on you own.
You wanted to do it on your own.....Now assume this
responsibility.
Hear hear, I really hope that Europe and the UN tell the USA to go
to
hell. They made their bed, they can damn well lie on it.
Hm yes. However what would be the alternative if USA fails ?
Presently you have in Iraq fights for the power. This country is
still
ruled by clans and tribes...conditions absolutely in favor for a
democracy....according to Pentagon clowns.
I'm OK for the UN going in but not unless evry last US soldier and
'advisor' leave the country. There can be no trus in any
administration formed or assisted by them.
There is actually absolutely no stability in the whole region. It
could even happen...that Iraq could fall apart in different
sectors....geopardizing at the same time the unity of this country,
having borders drawed....by ignoring on purpose peoples wishes.
Yes I agree n the instability, it is similar to hat happened in
Yugoslavia after Tito went. Strong leaders have some advantages.
Currently there is a power vacuum which will, like all vacuums, fill
itself with time if there is an entry. The problem is that the USA or
its chosen leaders (Chalabi et al) seem very unlikely to be able to
win the confidence of the people and, as you hint, if Iraq was left to
its own devices at the moment there could be serious trouble. I think
the only solution is for the USA to completely withdraw and allow the
UN to sort it out as best it can. It would have been better if they
had allowed it to do so from the beginning as we never tired f saying
but that was yesterday, there isn't much point in crying over spilt
milk.
BTW, I'll mention it (though it could be a typo) because your English
is so good we might as well try and make it perfect, its
'jeopardizing' and 'drawn' (drawed doesn't exist. 'Draw' is one of
those nasty irregular verbs that lose us marks in examinations,
draw/drew/drawn)
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| User: "Pieter Wenk" |
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| Title: Re: French secret service 'kept CIA in the dark over Iraq and uranium' |
29 Jul 2003 04:17:24 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:33:38 +0200, "John of Aix"
<j.murphyNOSPAM@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
Hm yes. However what would be the alternative if USA fails ?
Presently you have in Iraq fights for the power. This country is
still
ruled by clans and tribes...conditions absolutely in favor for a
democracy....according to Pentagon clowns.
I'm OK for the UN going in but not unless evry last US soldier and
'advisor' leave the country. There can be no trus in any
administration formed or assisted by them.
Yes. But the problem will be finding troops stupid enough getting
shelled, daily. France/Germany are not showing great interest in
cleaning-works to be performed in place of the occupation forces.
There is actually absolutely no stability in the whole region. It
could even happen...that Iraq could fall apart in different
sectors....geopardizing at the same time the unity of this country,
having borders drawed....by ignoring on purpose peoples wishes.
Yes I agree n the instability, it is similar to hat happened in
Yugoslavia after Tito went. Strong leaders have some advantages.
Currently there is a power vacuum which will, like all vacuums, fill
itself with time if there is an entry.
Yes...And the americans underestimated this power vacuum. In South
Iraq it was compensated at the very beginning of the invasion...by the
mollahs, controlling presently this huge region.
The problem is that the USA or
its chosen leaders (Chalabi et al) seem very unlikely to be able to
win the confidence of the people and, as you hint, if Iraq was left to
its own devices at the moment there could be serious trouble.
The so called interim government composed by puppets on strings is not
accepted by the majority of the Iraqis. Chalabi is a crook and should
he once visit Jordan would be put in jail :-)
I think
the only solution is for the USA to completely withdraw and allow the
UN to sort it out as best it can. It would have been better if they
had allowed it to do so from the beginning as we never tired f saying
but that was yesterday, there isn't much point in crying over spilt
milk.
They will have now to restore law and order and prior withdrawing
ensure at least something like regular polls allowing elections.
And then....*they must accept the result* of the poll....
Are they prepared to accept the results ?
BTW, I'll mention it (though it could be a typo) because your English
is so good we might as well try and make it perfect, its
'jeopardizing' and 'drawn' (drawed doesn't exist. 'Draw' is one of
those nasty irregular verbs that lose us marks in examinations,
draw/drew/drawn)
Oops I was possibly tired...or my spell-checker was mislaid.
Thanks
Regards
--
Pieter Wenk /CH-1800 Vevey - Rivièra Vaudoise
These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece
the people.
--Abraham Lincoln, 1837
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| User: "Made In America" |
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01 Aug 2003 10:34:26 AM |
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"John of Aix" <j.murphyNOSPAM@libertysurf.fr> wrote in message
news:bgc3vh$mu8k9$33@ID-157326.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> a écrit dans le message de news:
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:33:38 +0200, "John of Aix"
<j.murphyNOSPAM@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
Hm yes. However what would be the alternative if USA fails ?
Presently you have in Iraq fights for the power. This country is
still
ruled by clans and tribes...conditions absolutely in favor for a
democracy....according to Pentagon clowns.
I'm OK for the UN going in but not unless evry last US soldier and
'advisor' leave the country. There can be no trus in any
administration formed or assisted by them.
Yes. But the problem will be finding troops stupid enough getting
shelled, daily. France/Germany are not showing great interest in
cleaning-works to be performed in place of the occupation forces.
That is why I say that US troops and advisors should stay out of it.
The Iraqi people do not want to live in a world of anarchy
You're kidding right? Anarchy? What the ***** was Saddam creating? Utopia?
Idiot
and are
indeed ready for outside help but not the USA for many, which is
considered to have been a nation that murdered many Iraqis and has
starved them all for a decade or more.
Are you in 4th grade. First, In 1992....the UN mandated the food for oil
program. FRANCE sold the oil and gave them military supplies for it. FOod
was shipped in, but Saddam did not distribute it most of the time.
Warehouses were found FULL of UN food.
Second, Iraq is a large country. MOST of Iraq is very, very pleased with OUR
presence.
A mix of US and other troops
wouldn't work I think as just as the US can't tell who are its friends
and who are nt, the Iraqi would probably have the same problem with
the troops.
no doubt
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| User: "Pieter Wenk" |
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03 Aug 2003 11:14:51 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:52:19 +0200, "John of Aix"
<j.murphyNOSPAM@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
"Pieter Wenk" <pwenk@urbanet.ch> a écrit dans le message de news:
asdcivk4hmgm56tn64a65kuvm5q6gju50u@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:33:38 +0200, "John of Aix"
<j.murphyNOSPAM@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
Hm yes. However what would be the alternative if USA fails ?
Presently you have in Iraq fights for the power. This country is
still
ruled by clans and tribes...conditions absolutely in favor for a
democracy....according to Pentagon clowns.
I'm OK for the UN going in but not unless evry last US soldier and
'advisor' leave the country. There can be no trus in any
administration formed or assisted by them.
Yes. But the problem will be finding troops stupid enough getting
shelled, daily. France/Germany are not showing great interest in
cleaning-works to be performed in place of the occupation forces.
That is why I say that US troops and advisors should stay out of it.
The Iraqi people do not want to live in a world of anarchy and are
indeed ready for outside help but not the USA for many, which is
considered to have been a nation that murdered many Iraqis and has
starved them all for a decade or more. A mix of US and other troops
wouldn't work I think as just as the US can't tell who are its friends
and who are nt, the Iraqi would probably have the same problem with
the troops.
Right. I just read on a German NG, that the Polish troops had just
received their *warm welcome*...by mortar fire. No casualties....yet.
Regard
--
Pieter Wenk /CH-1800 Vevey - Rivièra Vaudoise
These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece
the people.
--Abraham Lincoln, 1837
¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,
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