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"J Young" |
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19 Feb 2006 10:58:57 PM |
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Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
When engaging in acts of civil disobedience, one accepts the penalties
incurred. Hopefully, these men will not transform into bitches when it comes
time to go to prison.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12479.html
Charles Merrill, a 71-year-old artist and his partner Kevin Boyle, have
announced they will not pay Federal or North Carolina Income Tax on over two
million dollars worth of stock sales and income for 2004, because of unfair
discrimination in the Federal and State Income Tax Codes.
Merrill said, "I have no intention of paying Federal and State Income taxes
because my same sex partner and I cannot be legally married and receive the
same tax benefits as other married couples.
"By not paying taxes, this is a deliberate act of civil disobedience towards
a President that wants to make an amendment to the Constitution to only
allow marriage between a man and woman, rather than two people who love each
other, and that discriminates against us as full citizens of the United
States."
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"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
20 Feb 2006 01:47:19 AM |
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*When engaging in acts of civil disobedience, one accepts the penalties
*incurred. Hopefully, these men will not transform into bitches when it
comes
*time to go to prison.
Hopefully, you'll soon have sex and stop posting your racist,
homophobic and intolerant postings.
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21 Feb 2006 08:17:51 AM |
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In article <1140421639.629285.75810@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Parsifal <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote:
*When engaging in acts of civil disobedience, one accepts the penalties
*incurred. Hopefully, these men will not transform into bitches when it
comes
*time to go to prison.
Hopefully, you'll soon have sex
Do you understand how much Scotch it's going to take to get that image
out of my mind?
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 Feb 2006 09:36:01 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:17:51 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
In article <1140421639.629285.75810@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Parsifal <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote:
*When engaging in acts of civil disobedience, one accepts the penalties
*incurred. Hopefully, these men will not transform into bitches when it
comes
*time to go to prison.
Hopefully, you'll soon have sex
Do you understand how much Scotch it's going to take to get that image
out of my mind?
Ummmm....I don't think the world makes enough in a decade.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Jeff North" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
21 Feb 2006 01:44:16 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:17:51 -0800, in alt.politics.homosexuality
chibiabos <chib@nospam.com>
<210220060617514247%chib@nospam.com> wrote:
| In article <1140421639.629285.75810@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
| Parsifal <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote:
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| > *When engaging in acts of civil disobedience, one accepts the penalties
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| > *incurred. Hopefully, these men will not transform into bitches when it
| > comes
| > *time to go to prison.
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| > Hopefully, you'll soon have sex
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| Do you understand how much Scotch it's going to take to get that image
| out of my mind?
In that case you'd better use the cheap booze. No point in wasting
perfectly good scotch :-)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
20 Feb 2006 06:26:22 PM |
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In <K-OdnaAYIZIJ0WTeRVn-uA@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
When engaging in acts of civil disobedience, one accepts the penalties
incurred. Hopefully, these men will not transform into bitches when it
comes time to go to prison.
Bet you spend a lot of time thinking about prison bitches...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
20 Feb 2006 05:03:47 AM |
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In News K-OdnaAYIZIJ0WTeRVn-uA@giganews.com,, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com, typed this:
When engaging in acts of civil disobedience, one accepts the penalties
incurred. Hopefully, these men will not transform into bitches when
it comes time to go to prison.
Once more your hatred shines through.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Sean C" |
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21 Feb 2006 02:14:02 AM |
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In article <K-OdnaAYIZIJ0WTeRVn-uA@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12479.html
Charles Merrill, a 71-year-old artist and his partner Kevin Boyle, have
announced they will not pay Federal or North Carolina Income Tax on over two
million dollars worth of stock sales and income for 2004, because of unfair
discrimination in the Federal and State Income Tax Codes.
Merrill said, "I have no intention of paying Federal and State Income taxes
because my same sex partner and I cannot be legally married and receive the
same tax benefits as other married couples.
"By not paying taxes, this is a deliberate act of civil disobedience towards
a President that wants to make an amendment to the Constitution to only
allow marriage between a man and woman, rather than two people who love each
other, and that discriminates against us as full citizens of the United
States."
Don't ***** about it, Pal. If they win, you and your blow-up doll might
be able to claim marriage benefits as well.
--Sean C
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| User: "bradleyds75" |
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21 Feb 2006 05:39:33 AM |
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Yeh I know there are many people who get married just to get tax
benefits or their citizenship. Doesn't mean they love each other; to
me it cheapens the act of marriage if we don't let people marry who
they want to marry regardless of sex. Since when did man become God
and tell people who they can legally marry? What bs...people in this
country will someday laugh at the stupidity of our current political
environment and religious right as the fruitcakes that they are showing
themselves to be as of late. Since when does government have the right
to try and step in and tell a hospital that they have to keep someone
alive because a mother and father believe the husband is going against
someones last rights (a person whos spouse nonetheless should know what
her final wishes were?)
Most fundamental Christian politicians and people who are making such a
stupid fuss over gays are such two faces. We all know that gays are
about the last group to use as a fundraising target; it used to be the
black community until Dr King made a difference.
And I am really sick of the "if we let gays marry, polygamy is next or
bestiality." Get a life....-
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| User: "newsguy" |
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20 Feb 2006 07:49:41 PM |
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J Young wrote:
When engaging in acts of civil disobedience, one accepts the penalties
incurred. Hopefully, these men will not transform into bitches when it comes
time to go to prison.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12479.html
Charles Merrill, a 71-year-old artist and his partner Kevin Boyle, have
announced they will not pay Federal or North Carolina Income Tax on over two
million dollars worth of stock sales and income for 2004, because of unfair
discrimination in the Federal and State Income Tax Codes.
Merrill said, "I have no intention of paying Federal and State Income taxes
because my same sex partner and I cannot be legally married and receive the
same tax benefits as other married couples.
"By not paying taxes, this is a deliberate act of civil disobedience towards
a President that wants to make an amendment to the Constitution to only
allow marriage between a man and woman, rather than two people who love each
other, and that discriminates against us as full citizens of the United
States."
Non-human beings do not pay taxes, dogs are not
obligated to pay taxes, nor were slaves. The only way
the government can deny a fundamental right, as
marriage, to a citizen, is to deny that they are in fact
human beings. Since the USA has declared non-human
status to homosexuals, by the denial of the fundamental
right of marriage to homosexuals, they are not obligated
to pay taxes. You can't have it both ways.
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| User: "Miss Anthrope" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
20 Feb 2006 10:14:32 PM |
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On 20 Feb 2006 17:49:41 -0800, "newsguy" <nuwsguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Charles Merrill, a 71-year-old artist and his partner Kevin Boyle, have
announced they will not pay Federal or North Carolina Income Tax on over two
million dollars worth of stock sales and income for 2004, because of unfair
discrimination in the Federal and State Income Tax Codes.
Merrill said, "I have no intention of paying Federal and State Income taxes
because my same sex partner and I cannot be legally married and receive the
same tax benefits as other married couples.
"By not paying taxes, this is a deliberate act of civil disobedience towards
a President that wants to make an amendment to the Constitution to only
allow marriage between a man and woman, rather than two people who love each
other, and that discriminates against us as full citizens of the United
States."
First of all, good luck to Charles and Kevin. Civil disobedience is
honorable. Unfortunately, its honorability does not negate the
consequences of breaking the law. So they need to prepare themselves
to get their butts kicked for tax avoidance.
Non-human beings do not pay taxes, dogs are not
obligated to pay taxes, nor were slaves. The only way
the government can deny a fundamental right, as
marriage, o a citizen, is to deny that they are in fact
human beings.
A question and an observation: Question: Is marriage a fundamental
right? The states have a long history of licensing and regulating
marriage. People can be denied a marriage license without being denied
their humanity. A marriage license can be denied, e.g., because one or
both prospective spouses do no meet minimum age requirements, or do
not have clean bills of health regarding STDs, or do not posess the
mental capacity to give informed consent, or one or both may already
be married. There may be other reasons that are considered legitimate
impediments to receiving a marriage license. None of these
"discriminations" disqualifies the applicants for the license from
their status as humans.
Related question: Did the Supreme court decision that ended
anti-miscegenation laws establish a fundamental right to marry, per
se, or was it argued and decided on narrower grounds, such as
violating the 14th amendment on grounds of racial discrimination,
which would then not necessarily apply to discrimination on grounds of
sexual orientation without a subsequent court decision expanding the
coverage of the equal protection clause - something the Texas sodomy
law decision may have set up?
Observation: Charles and Kevin do have the right to marry, just not
each other. Either could marry a woman if they so chose. So, their
right to marry is not being denied. Of course, this is an unfair nit
picky distinction as neither would chose to marry a woman if they were
free under the law to marry a partner they prefered. Nevertheless,
they can get married provided they choose a parnter that meets state
requirements. This provision applies to heterosexuals as well. Nobody
has an absolute right under any state law to marry just anybody they
please.
to a citizen, is to deny that they are in fact
human beings. Since the USA has declared non-human
status to homosexuals, by the denial of the fundamental
right of marriage to homosexuals, they are not obligated
to pay taxes. You can't have it both ways.
You mean I wasted good money on TurboTax?
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| User: "newsguy" |
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21 Feb 2006 07:17:41 AM |
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Miss Anthrope wrote:
On 20 Feb 2006 17:49:41 -0800, "newsguy" <nuwsguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Charles Merrill, a 71-year-old artist and his partner Kevin Boyle, have
announced they will not pay Federal or North Carolina Income Tax on over two
million dollars worth of stock sales and income for 2004, because of unfair
discrimination in the Federal and State Income Tax Codes.
Merrill said, "I have no intention of paying Federal and State Income taxes
because my same sex partner and I cannot be legally married and receive the
same tax benefits as other married couples.
"By not paying taxes, this is a deliberate act of civil disobedience towards
a President that wants to make an amendment to the Constitution to only
allow marriage between a man and woman, rather than two people who love each
other, and that discriminates against us as full citizens of the United
States."
First of all, good luck to Charles and Kevin. Civil disobedience is
honorable. Unfortunately, its honorability does not negate the
consequences of breaking the law. So they need to prepare themselves
to get their butts kicked for tax avoidance.
But since it is the USA that is breaking their own laws as
well as treaties, they should take it all the way to
the Supreme Court. Marriage is a fundamental right, as I
will show below. The USA is in violation of the UN Universal
Declaration of Human Rights, Article 2, 6-8, and 16.1
Non-human beings do not pay taxes, dogs are not
obligated to pay taxes, nor were slaves. The only way
the government can deny a fundamental right, as
marriage, o a citizen, is to deny that they are in fact
human beings.
A question and an observation: Question: Is marriage a fundamental
right?
Skinner v. State OF OKL. Ex Rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535 (1942)
We are dealing here with legislation which involves one of the basic
civil rights of man. Marriage and procreation are fundamental
Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888)
Marriage, as creating the most important relation in life
Cleveland Board of Education v LaFleur, 414 US 632 (1974)
"This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in
matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected
by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."
The states have a long history of licensing and regulating
marriage. People can be denied a marriage license without being denied
their humanity.
Then who does a XXY hermaphrodite legally marry if the
only legal marriage is one between a man and a woman?
Anyone they would marry would be the same sex, they have
both sexes. No no consenting person can be denied the right
of marriage, it can only be guided by legitimate state concerns.
Manwani v US Dept of Justice, INS, 736 FSupp 1367, 1379 (WD NC 1990).
"Restrictions on marriage are subject to the most exacting scrutiny. A
governmental burden on the right to marry need not amount to an
absolute
prohibition in order to constitute an impermissible interference with
marital association. A statute that 'directly and substantially' causes
a 'serious intrusion into the freedom of choice' whether to marry is
subject to strict scrutiny."
Thus must serve a compelling state interest, such as number
and consent (age falls under concent as well as mental capacity).
To be denied the right to marriage dehumanizes the individual.
The case that first applied the fundamental right of marriage was
bases on the mental retarded not allowed to marry, Skinner v. State
of OKL above.
A marriage license can be denied, e.g., because one or
both prospective spouses do no meet minimum age requirements, or do
not have clean bills of health regarding STDs, or do not posess the
mental capacity to give informed consent, or one or both may already
be married. There may be other reasons that are considered legitimate
impediments to receiving a marriage license. None of these
"discriminations" disqualifies the applicants for the license from
their status as humans.
Hodgson v Minnesota, 497 US 417, 435 (1990)
"[T]he regulation of constitutionally protected decisions, such as
where
a person shall reside or whom he or she shall marry, must be predicated
on legitimate state concerns other than disagreement with the choice
the
individual has made."
Palmer v. Thompson, 403 U.S. 217, at 260-61 (1971)
"Public officials may not avoid a constitutional duty by bowing to
the effects of private prejudice, however widely or deeply held."
Lawrence and Garner v. Texas 000 U.S. 02-102 (2003)
"The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny
by making their private sexual conduct a crime,"
Lawrence and Garner v. Texas (2003) and
Planned Parenthood Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833, 850 (1992)
"the Court's obligation is to define the liberty of all, not to
mandate its own moral code".
Brause v Bureau of Vital Statistics, 3AN-95-6562 (SC AK 1998)
"There is no dispute that the right to marry is recognized as
fundamental. Today the court has recognized that the personal
choice of a life partner is fundamental and that such a choice
may include persons of the same sex...the United States Supreme
Court first characterized the right to marry as fundamental
in Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535 (1942.)
Loving v Virginia, 388 US 1, 12 (1967)
The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to
marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations. Under
our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of
another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by
the State."
The right to marry lies with the individual, not the state, the
state can only guide the process.
Related question: Did the Supreme court decision that ended
anti-miscegenation laws establish a fundamental right to marry, per
se, or was it argued and decided on narrower grounds, such as
violating the 14th amendment on grounds of racial discrimination,
Loving v Virginia, 388 US 1 (1967)
"The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital
personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free
men. Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental
Loving v Virginia, 388 US 1, 12 (1967)
The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to
marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations.
Fundamental rights are regulated under the 9th Amendment
and the Due Process clause of the 14th Amendment, to
which the Marriage Ban Amendment seeks to null.
which would then not necessarily apply to discrimination on grounds of
sexual orientation without a subsequent court decision expanding the
coverage of the equal protection clause - something the Texas sodomy
law decision may have set up?
If a man can marry a woman, then that woman must have the
very same right as that man to marry a woman, or her equal
protection and due process of the law has been violated. The
very same as if a white can marry a white, then a black must
have the very same right as the white, or their equal protection
and due process of the law has been violated. Sexual orientation
has nothing to do with it, a gay can marry a lesbian, it is pure
sexual discrimination.
Observation: Charles and Kevin do have the right to marry, just not
each other. Either could marry a woman if they so chose. So, their
right to marry is not being denied.
Hodgson v Minnesota, 497 US 417, 435 (1990)
"[T]he regulation of constitutionally protected decisions, such as
where
a person shall reside or whom he or she shall marry, must be predicated
on legitimate state concerns other than disagreement with the choice
the
individual has made."
Who does a hermaphrodite legally marry if the only legal marriage
is one between a man and a woman? There is no way to make laws
that target homosexuals without targeting intersexuals.
Of course, this is an unfair nit
picky distinction as neither would chose to marry a woman if they were
free under the law to marry a partner they prefered. Nevertheless,
they can get married provided they choose a parnter that meets state
requirements. This provision applies to heterosexuals as well. Nobody
has an absolute right under any state law to marry just anybody they
please.
In fact they do, as long has the number is not over the two, and
they have the legal right of consent. However:
Polygamy, Scalia said:
"I would not myself indulge in such official praise for
heterosexual monogamy, because I think it no business of the
courts to take sides in this culture war."
to a citizen, is to deny that they are in fact
human beings. Since the USA has declared non-human
status to homosexuals, by the denial of the fundamental
right of marriage to homosexuals, they are not obligated
to pay taxes. You can't have it both ways.
You mean I wasted good money on TurboTax?
Not unless you want to take it to the Supreme Court,
and/or go to jail.
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21 Feb 2006 09:13:22 PM |
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Thanks newsguy for the detailed reply. It certainly looks from your
citations that the Supreme Court has deemed marriage to be a
fundamental civil right. That being the case, especially in light of
the Texas sodomy law decision which applied the equal protection and
due process clauses of the 14th Amendment to the matter of sexual
orientation, it would appear that the only thing standing in the way
of same sex marriage are the social/religious prejudices of five or
more Supreme Court justices.
There may be some merit yet to at least having the argument
politically over whether jurisdiction for this matter should be left
to the states to decide for themselves. But it looks like the Supremes
have put the considerations in place to have this decided as a 14th
Amedment issue.
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20 Feb 2006 05:27:06 AM |
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The can pay the same tax when their relationship produces a child.
Why the ***** should they get the same treatment as hetrosexuals.
They don't provide the next generation of tax payers.
If any thing homosexuals should pay more tax than hetrosexuals whom
produce children.
Typical Selfish Actvists
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20 Feb 2006 07:41:57 AM |
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<mosherkustas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140434826.167914.100240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The can pay the same tax when their relationship produces a child.
Why the ***** should they get the same treatment as hetrosexuals.
They don't provide the next generation of tax payers.
If any thing homosexuals should pay more tax than hetrosexuals whom
produce children.
Typical Selfish Actvists
Actually taxes are paid to fund public resources. Families that have
children use far more public resources. There should be no tax deductions
for children. People with children should pay MORE taxes than those who
don't have children. Typical selfish conservative.
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22 Feb 2006 02:10:14 AM |
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Wow stupidy only the left can come up with yet typical of the ME ME ME
syndrome that dominates your thinking. If people don't have children
who pays taxes when those people retire?
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24 Feb 2006 05:40:27 PM |
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<mosherkustas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140595814.155566.267080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Wow stupidy only the left can come up with yet typical of the ME ME ME
syndrome that dominates your thinking. If people don't have children
who pays taxes when those people retire?
Talk about stupidity, where did I suggest that people not have children? I
merely suggested that they be financially prepared to raise them before they
have them, and not expect government handouts (tax breaks) when they do.
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25 Feb 2006 08:43:17 AM |
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"Robin" <robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:sMMLf.29458$Ly6.3543@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
<mosherkustas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140595814.155566.267080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Wow stupidy only the left can come up with yet typical of the ME ME ME
syndrome that dominates your thinking. If people don't have children
who pays taxes when those people retire?
Talk about stupidity, where did I suggest that people not have children?
I merely suggested that they be financially prepared to raise them before
they have them, and not expect government handouts (tax breaks) when they
do.
I'd go one step further, that people not have children they can't afford and
expect their families to dish out $ and sometimes even raise the children.
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21 Feb 2006 12:37:47 PM |
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By your reckoning, any couple that does not have children, gay or
straight, should be penalized by increasing their tax burden. As a
straight man, I applaud this couple for their moral standpoint.
You, on the other hand are threatened by their commitment to each other
- maybe your own sexuality is in question? it wouldnt be the first time
someone espouses such malicious bigotry simply because they are
'confused' about themselves!
mosherkustas@hotmail.com wrote:
The can pay the same tax when their relationship produces a child.
Why the ***** should they get the same treatment as hetrosexuals.
They don't provide the next generation of tax payers.
If any thing homosexuals should pay more tax than hetrosexuals whom
produce children.
Typical Selfish Actvists
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20 Feb 2006 06:24:37 PM |
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In <1140434826.167914.100240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
mosherkustas@hotmail.com wrote:
The can pay the same tax when their relationship produces a child. Why the
***** should they get the same treatment as hetrosexuals.
Oh, I don't know, maybe because we're supposed to be a land of equality
under the law?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 Feb 2006 09:39:12 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:24:37 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <1140434826.167914.100240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
mosherkustas@hotmail.com wrote:
The can pay the same tax when their relationship produces a child. Why the
***** should they get the same treatment as hetrosexuals.
Oh, I don't know, maybe because we're supposed to be a land of equality
under the law?
Yes, but it subscribes to the Animal Farm brand....
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
22 Feb 2006 07:16:04 AM |
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In <66nnv1hpcrjasisd40ndq2l6u6np215enr@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:24:37 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <1140434826.167914.100240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
mosherkustas@hotmail.com wrote:
The can pay the same tax when their relationship produces a child. Why
the ***** should they get the same treatment as hetrosexuals.
Oh, I don't know, maybe because we're supposed to be a land of equality
under the law?
Yes, but it subscribes to the Animal Farm brand....
Or something kin to the way the Bushies spread "democracy?"
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Feb 2006 09:32:17 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:16:04 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <66nnv1hpcrjasisd40ndq2l6u6np215enr@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:24:37 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <1140434826.167914.100240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
mosherkustas@hotmail.com wrote:
The can pay the same tax when their relationship produces a child. Why
the ***** should they get the same treatment as hetrosexuals.
Oh, I don't know, maybe because we're supposed to be a land of equality
under the law?
Yes, but it subscribes to the Animal Farm brand....
Or something kin to the way the Bushies spread "democracy?"
Yes.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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20 Feb 2006 05:31:18 AM |
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In News 1140434826.167914.100240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,,
mosherkustas@hotmail.com at mosherkustas@hotmail.com, typed this:
The can pay the same tax when their relationship produces a child.
Point to the article in our constitution where it says that civil rights,
such as marriage, requires a child to be produced. There are many
marriages that will not result in the production of a child, many marrages
where one or both of the spouses are infertile, or beyond child bearing age.
Many that choose, for one reason or another, to not have children. Your
argument does not address anything but your own selfishness.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
20 Feb 2006 06:13:43 AM |
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*****. Your clouding the issue with emotion.
There are family tax benifits that are payable only to people who have
children.
This is not discriminatory it rewards those who procreate.
I think you'll find the constitution doesn't actually define a
marriarge. The bible defines it as a union between a man and a woman
for the purposes of generating children.
Now I can already hear your homo blood boiling at the mention of the
bible so don't waste your time on responding.
This book defines how to have a succesfull society in times where there
is little lae enforcement and less medical centers.
IT says that a man and a woman should hook up under some LORE
arrangment and stick together until they die in order to raise kids
(back then you could probably only expect to live until your kids were
about 10 or so).
It has ***** all to do with god and every thing to do with how to run a
succesfull society.
that is why it says you should keep your snake in its cage and never
let in in another mans cave.
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| User: "JohnN" |
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20 Feb 2006 04:51:04 PM |
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wrote:
*****. Your clouding the issue with emotion.
There are family tax benifits that are payable only to people who have
children.
Have children or begat children? Not all begatters keep their
children, not all begatters are married. Do single parents get the
family benefit, why or why not?
This is not discriminatory it rewards those who procreate.
Just procreation? Does a couple who's child died soon after birth get
the family tax benefit? If procreation is the only test, shouldn't
they?
I think you'll find the constitution doesn't actually define a
marriarge. The bible defines it as a union between a man and a woman
for the purposes of generating children.
Parts of the Bible defines marriage as one man having multiple wives at
the same time. Other parts make no mention of marriage at all.
Therefore the Bible is not relivant to the discussion at hand.
Now I can already hear your homo blood boiling at the mention of the
bible so don't waste your time on responding.
I read a part of the Bible about a devote man having sex with his two
virgin daughters. God loved him. In another part, God told the
priests to take female virgins as slaves. Ain't God good! But that has
no bearing on discrimination in the tax laws.
This book defines how to have a succesfull society in times where there
is little lae enforcement and less medical centers.
IT says that a man and a woman should hook up under some LORE
arrangment and stick together until they die in order to raise kids
(back then you could probably only expect to live until your kids were
about 10 or so).
It has ***** all to do with god and every thing to do with how to run a
succesfull society.
that is why it says you should keep your snake in its cage and never
let in in another mans cave.
What the hell does this have to do with discriminory tax law?
JohnN
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
20 Feb 2006 09:24:47 PM |
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In <1140437623.690474.296510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
mosherkustas@hotmail.com wrote:
This is not discriminatory it rewards those who procreate.
So you're saying national policy is to pay people to *****?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Liz" |
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20 Feb 2006 10:23:28 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:24:47 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in news message
<6MednS8QwKhiGmfeRVn-gQ@megapath.net> wrote:
In <1140437623.690474.296510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
mosherkustas@hotmail.com wrote:
This is not discriminatory it rewards those who procreate.
So you're saying national policy is to pay people to *****?
<raises hand>
Although I'm not interesting in any of that procreating. I've done my
bit.
Liz #658 BAAWA
"The Bible is a wonderful source of inspiration for those
who don't understand it." -- George Santayana
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
21 Feb 2006 09:24:14 AM |
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In <gn4lv11dafmrdtu0sbt423bqs3r0s78m9k@4ax.com>, Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:24:47 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in news message
<6MednS8QwKhiGmfeRVn-gQ@megapath.net> wrote:
In <1140437623.690474.296510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
mosherkustas@hotmail.com wrote:
This is not discriminatory it rewards those who procreate.
So you're saying national policy is to pay people to *****?
<raises hand>
Although I'm not interesting in any of that procreating. I've done my
bit.
Well, you only get rewarded if you contribute to the overpopulation of the
planet...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
21 Feb 2006 12:19:48 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:moWdncrrlMIDrWbeRVn-rA@megapath.net...
In <gn4lv11dafmrdtu0sbt423bqs3r0s78m9k@4ax.com>, Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:24:47 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in news message
<6MednS8QwKhiGmfeRVn-gQ@megapath.net> wrote:
In <1140437623.690474.296510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
mosherkustas@hotmail.com wrote:
This is not discriminatory it rewards those who procreate.
So you're saying national policy is to pay people to *****?
<raises hand>
Although I'm not interesting in any of that procreating. I've done my
bit.
Well, you only get rewarded if you contribute to the overpopulation of the
planet...
Woohoo! High five! ;)
Oh.............um, sorry..................
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "JohnN" |
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| Title: Re: Gays Refuse to Pay Taxes in Protest in North Carolina |
21 Feb 2006 01:43:42 PM |
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But some of the younger participants will need help. They will need
personal tutors, night classes, self-help videos..
JohnN
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