Politics > Politics-USA > Georgie went AWOL but 25-year veteran faces punishment for questioning waiver
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Georgie went AWOL but 25-year veteran faces punishment for questioning waiver |
From The New York Times, 11/29/03:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/29/national/29ARMY.html
Reservist Faces Punishment After Questioning a Waiver
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ROCHESTER (AP) --
Capt. Steve McAlpin, a longtime Army reservist who spent most of last
year deployed in Afghanistan, learned this week that he is facing
insubordination charges that could end his 25-year military career.
His breach of discipline is questioning the legality of a waiver his
battalion was asked to sign that would put his unit back in a combat
zone after only 11 months at home.
Under federal law, Captain McAlpin noted, troops are allowed a
12-month "stabilization period."
Captain McAlpin, 44, was notified in a memorandum on Wednesday that he
was being removed from the 401st Civil Affairs Battalion's battle
roster.
He said he could face other punishment, including a court-martial and
loss of rank.
Members of the 401st will be deployed for duty overseas next
Wednesday.
The commander, Lt. Col. Phillip Carey, says in his memorandum that
Captain McAlpin had a "negative attitude" and was being "insubordinate
towards the leadership" of the 401st.
Captain McAlpin said he questioned the waiver last Saturday in a
teleconference with Col. Guy Sands, commander of the captain's parent
unit, the 360th Civil Affairs Brigade in Fort Jackson, S.C.
About a dozen other officers refused to sign the waiver, as well as
four enlisted soldiers called to redeploy, Captain McAlpin said.
"Soldiers are proud to serve any time, anywhere. I'd go tomorrow," he
said on Friday from his home in Victor, 20 miles southeast of
Rochester.
"But I have four soldiers that don't want to go."
The memorandum orders Captain McAlpin to clear up his affairs at the
unit by Monday, when it bans him from battalion grounds.
It also transfers him to the Individual Ready Reserves, whose soldiers
can be called up in the event of a national emergency.
Instead of signing the reprimand document, Captain McAlpin wrote a
note of protest, stating that his performance evaluations had been
excellent and that his record showed "no pattern of incompetence."
Captain McAlpin served in Bosnia in 1996.
Last year, while stationed in Afghanistan, he was a liaison to local
warlords, coordinated relief supplies and organized an
English-language teaching program.
He said the military should "honor soldiers that have gone already" by
giving them "a break from the hazards of combat."
A spokesman for the 401st, Capt. Brian Earley, said Captain McAlpin's
questioning of the waiver was only one reason he was being
disciplined, with others including difficulties on the mission to
Afghanistan.
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Ex-Lawmaker Says He Helped Bush Join the Guard in Vietnam War
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/092799wh-gop-bush.html
Texan Questioned on Role in Helping Bush Join National Guard
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/092899wh-gop-bush.html
While Americans were dying in Vietnam and demonstrating in America,
our hawkish President did neither.
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=216
Harry
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| User: "Tazmanian Devil" |
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01 Dec 2003 01:30:52 AM |
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Typical...Nutcase Hope seems to ignore the UCMJ that says you CANNOT
speak ill of your superior officers or their actions unless being
questioned by a JAG officer or under oath.
As a 25 year officer (and still a ONLY a Capt? He should be no less
then a Major or a Col by now. Seems that he has done something other
then this to ***** someone off or violated his Officers Oath and the
UCMJ as you CANNOT stay in the Military for 25 years and still only be
a Capt. in rank unless you screwed up somewhere.. I know a Marine Capt
that was promoted to Major a good three to four months before he
retired with 20 years, and now is in line to become a Lt.Col in the
reserves, and has STILL got over 8 weeks to go before he hists his
25th year of Service.) this Capt should know that to make his
statement, he would face judicial punishment. He was home for 11
months and was crying like a baby about wanting another 30 days.
This whiner should be removed ASAP as his career is now over.
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:08:43 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The New York Times, 11/29/03:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/29/national/29ARMY.html
Reservist Faces Punishment After Questioning a Waiver
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ROCHESTER (AP) --
Capt. Steve McAlpin, a longtime Army reservist who spent most of last
year deployed in Afghanistan, learned this week that he is facing
insubordination charges that could end his 25-year military career.
His breach of discipline is questioning the legality of a waiver his
battalion was asked to sign that would put his unit back in a combat
zone after only 11 months at home.
Under federal law, Captain McAlpin noted, troops are allowed a
12-month "stabilization period."
Captain McAlpin, 44, was notified in a memorandum on Wednesday that he
was being removed from the 401st Civil Affairs Battalion's battle
roster.
He said he could face other punishment, including a court-martial and
loss of rank.
Members of the 401st will be deployed for duty overseas next
Wednesday.
The commander, Lt. Col. Phillip Carey, says in his memorandum that
Captain McAlpin had a "negative attitude" and was being "insubordinate
towards the leadership" of the 401st.
Captain McAlpin said he questioned the waiver last Saturday in a
teleconference with Col. Guy Sands, commander of the captain's parent
unit, the 360th Civil Affairs Brigade in Fort Jackson, S.C.
About a dozen other officers refused to sign the waiver, as well as
four enlisted soldiers called to redeploy, Captain McAlpin said.
"Soldiers are proud to serve any time, anywhere. I'd go tomorrow," he
said on Friday from his home in Victor, 20 miles southeast of
Rochester.
"But I have four soldiers that don't want to go."
The memorandum orders Captain McAlpin to clear up his affairs at the
unit by Monday, when it bans him from battalion grounds.
It also transfers him to the Individual Ready Reserves, whose soldiers
can be called up in the event of a national emergency.
Instead of signing the reprimand document, Captain McAlpin wrote a
note of protest, stating that his performance evaluations had been
excellent and that his record showed "no pattern of incompetence."
Captain McAlpin served in Bosnia in 1996.
Last year, while stationed in Afghanistan, he was a liaison to local
warlords, coordinated relief supplies and organized an
English-language teaching program.
He said the military should "honor soldiers that have gone already" by
giving them "a break from the hazards of combat."
A spokesman for the 401st, Capt. Brian Earley, said Captain McAlpin's
questioning of the waiver was only one reason he was being
disciplined, with others including difficulties on the mission to
Afghanistan.
______________________________________________________________
Ex-Lawmaker Says He Helped Bush Join the Guard in Vietnam War
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/092799wh-gop-bush.html
Texan Questioned on Role in Helping Bush Join National Guard
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/092899wh-gop-bush.html
While Americans were dying in Vietnam and demonstrating in America,
our hawkish President did neither.
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=216
Harry
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| User: "ElevenBravo" |
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01 Dec 2003 08:54:23 AM |
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Typical...Nutcase Hope seems to ignore the UCMJ that says you CANNOT
speak ill of your superior officers or their actions unless being
questioned by a JAG officer or under oath.
As a 25 year officer (and still a ONLY a Capt? He should be no less
then a Major or a Col by now. Seems that he has done something other
then this to ***** someone off or violated his Officers Oath and the
UCMJ as you CANNOT stay in the Military for 25 years and still only be
a Capt. in rank unless you screwed up somewhere.. I know a Marine Capt
that was promoted to Major a good three to four months before he
retired with 20 years, and now is in line to become a Lt.Col in the
reserves, and has STILL got over 8 weeks to go before he hists his
25th year of Service.) this Capt should know that to make his
statement, he would face judicial punishment. He was home for 11
months and was crying like a baby about wanting another 30 days.
Taz - if he entered the service as a commissioned officer and only
reached Captain after 25 years, then he certainly would be a sorry
excuse for a leader.
There is the possibility that he enlisted, was promoted to NCO, and
then eventually went to OBC and got his commission. It is possible
that he would only be a Captain after 25 years in the service. But a
45 year old captain is a rare site in the military.
11B
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| User: "Rico" |
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01 Dec 2003 11:13:36 AM |
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In article <bhrlsv06ibii15n4s5vcqc0crdnn6a28e3@4ax.com>, Tazmanian Devil <myob@biteme.com.com> wrote:
Typical...Nutcase Hope seems to ignore the UCMJ that says you CANNOT
speak ill of your superior officers or their actions unless being
questioned by a JAG officer or under oath.
So this guy is indeed guilty of not having a daddy ion Congress, that's why
bush could go missing for over a year from the Air National Guard, he did
have a daddy in Congress.
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| User: "Tazmanian Devil" |
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03 Dec 2003 11:12:08 AM |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:13:36 GMT, (Rico) wrote:
In article <bhrlsv06ibii15n4s5vcqc0crdnn6a28e3@4ax.com>, Tazmanian Devil <myob@biteme.com.com> wrote:
Typical...Nutcase Hope seems to ignore the UCMJ that says you CANNOT
speak ill of your superior officers or their actions unless being
questioned by a JAG officer or under oath.
So this guy is indeed guilty of not having a daddy ion Congress, that's why
bush could go missing for over a year from the Air National Guard, he did
have a daddy in Congress
Got proof of this Rico in a valid DOD Document that can be validated
as such? No, didnt think so so this means you post is nothing more
then sour grapes. In other words, STFU!!!!
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| User: "Server 13" |
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03 Dec 2003 11:24:57 AM |
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Tazmanian Devil wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:13:36 GMT, (Rico) wrote:
In article <bhrlsv06ibii15n4s5vcqc0crdnn6a28e3@4ax.com>, Tazmanian Devil <myob@biteme.com.com> wrote:
Typical...Nutcase Hope seems to ignore the UCMJ that says you CANNOT
speak ill of your superior officers or their actions unless being
questioned by a JAG officer or under oath.
So this guy is indeed guilty of not having a daddy ion Congress, that's why
bush could go missing for over a year from the Air National Guard, he did
have a daddy in Congress
Got proof of this Rico in a valid DOD Document that can be validated
as such? No, didnt think so so this means you post is nothing more
then sour grapes. In other words, STFU!!!!
If you have documents proving Bush was there, you should go get the 20,000
dollar reward.
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| User: "Tazmanian Devil" |
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09 Dec 2003 11:20:10 AM |
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How typical. I never said I have any documents...I HAVE said that Col
Martinez down at MILPERCEN (Military Personnel Records Center) has
stated numerous times that he has access to Bush's Military records
and they completely show that Bush did indeed receive all the training
he was suppose to get and that he did indeed show up for every
training session that he was suppose to show up for. In short, Bush
was never AWOL
And isn't it amazing that these left wing morons whine that Bush was
AWOL, yet have not one iota of valid documentation or valid DOD papers
to prove it? In short if you say something and cannot prove it, then
your telling lies. And does it not suprise you that the $50,000.
Reward for anyone that can provide valid information that Bush was
AWOL has NOT been collected for 13 years?! If this is such a fact then
why has someone not made a 50k payday?
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:24:57 -0600, Server 13 <c-bee1@uiuc.edu> wrote:
Tazmanian Devil wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:13:36 GMT, (Rico) wrote:
In article <bhrlsv06ibii15n4s5vcqc0crdnn6a28e3@4ax.com>, Tazmanian Devil <myob@biteme.com.com> wrote:
Typical...Nutcase Hope seems to ignore the UCMJ that says you CANNOT
speak ill of your superior officers or their actions unless being
questioned by a JAG officer or under oath.
So this guy is indeed guilty of not having a daddy ion Congress, that's why
bush could go missing for over a year from the Air National Guard, he did
have a daddy in Congress
Got proof of this Rico in a valid DOD Document that can be validated
as such? No, didnt think so so this means you post is nothing more
then sour grapes. In other words, STFU!!!!
If you have documents proving Bush was there, you should go get the 20,000
dollar reward.
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| User: "Steve" |
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01 Dec 2003 06:57:33 AM |
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Tazmanian Devil <myob@biteme.com.com> wrote in message news:<bhrlsv06ibii15n4s5vcqc0crdnn6a28e3@4ax.com>...
Typical...Nutcase Hope seems to ignore the UCMJ that says you CANNOT
speak ill of your superior officers or their actions unless being
questioned by a JAG officer or under oath.
As a 25 year officer (and still a ONLY a Capt? He should be no less
then a Major or a Col by now. Seems that he has done something other
then this to ***** someone off or violated his Officers Oath and the
UCMJ as you CANNOT stay in the Military for 25 years and still only be
a Capt. in rank unless you screwed up somewhere.. I know a Marine Capt
that was promoted to Major a good three to four months before he
retired with 20 years, and now is in line to become a Lt.Col in the
reserves, and has STILL got over 8 weeks to go before he hists his
25th year of Service.) this Capt should know that to make his
statement, he would face judicial punishment. He was home for 11
months and was crying like a baby about wanting another 30 days.
This whiner should be removed ASAP as his career is now over.
Typical Facist attitude. Never question whether your orders are legal.
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:08:43 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The New York Times, 11/29/03:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/29/national/29ARMY.html
Reservist Faces Punishment After Questioning a Waiver
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ROCHESTER (AP) --
Capt. Steve McAlpin, a longtime Army reservist who spent most of last
year deployed in Afghanistan, learned this week that he is facing
insubordination charges that could end his 25-year military career.
His breach of discipline is questioning the legality of a waiver his
battalion was asked to sign that would put his unit back in a combat
zone after only 11 months at home.
Under federal law, Captain McAlpin noted, troops are allowed a
12-month "stabilization period."
Captain McAlpin, 44, was notified in a memorandum on Wednesday that he
was being removed from the 401st Civil Affairs Battalion's battle
roster.
He said he could face other punishment, including a court-martial and
loss of rank.
Members of the 401st will be deployed for duty overseas next
Wednesday.
The commander, Lt. Col. Phillip Carey, says in his memorandum that
Captain McAlpin had a "negative attitude" and was being "insubordinate
towards the leadership" of the 401st.
Captain McAlpin said he questioned the waiver last Saturday in a
teleconference with Col. Guy Sands, commander of the captain's parent
unit, the 360th Civil Affairs Brigade in Fort Jackson, S.C.
About a dozen other officers refused to sign the waiver, as well as
four enlisted soldiers called to redeploy, Captain McAlpin said.
"Soldiers are proud to serve any time, anywhere. I'd go tomorrow," he
said on Friday from his home in Victor, 20 miles southeast of
Rochester.
"But I have four soldiers that don't want to go."
The memorandum orders Captain McAlpin to clear up his affairs at the
unit by Monday, when it bans him from battalion grounds.
It also transfers him to the Individual Ready Reserves, whose soldiers
can be called up in the event of a national emergency.
Instead of signing the reprimand document, Captain McAlpin wrote a
note of protest, stating that his performance evaluations had been
excellent and that his record showed "no pattern of incompetence."
Captain McAlpin served in Bosnia in 1996.
Last year, while stationed in Afghanistan, he was a liaison to local
warlords, coordinated relief supplies and organized an
English-language teaching program.
He said the military should "honor soldiers that have gone already" by
giving them "a break from the hazards of combat."
A spokesman for the 401st, Capt. Brian Earley, said Captain McAlpin's
questioning of the waiver was only one reason he was being
disciplined, with others including difficulties on the mission to
Afghanistan.
______________________________________________________________
Ex-Lawmaker Says He Helped Bush Join the Guard in Vietnam War
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/092799wh-gop-bush.html
Texan Questioned on Role in Helping Bush Join National Guard
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/092899wh-gop-bush.html
While Americans were dying in Vietnam and demonstrating in America,
our hawkish President did neither.
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=216
Harry
Stevel
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| User: "Tazmanian Devil" |
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03 Dec 2003 11:10:05 AM |
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On 1 Dec 2003 04:57:33 -0800, (Steve) wrote:
Tazmanian Devil <myob@biteme.com.com> wrote in message news:<bhrlsv06ibii15n4s5vcqc0crdnn6a28e3@4ax.com>...
Typical...Nutcase Hope seems to ignore the UCMJ that says you CANNOT
speak ill of your superior officers or their actions unless being
questioned by a JAG officer or under oath.
As a 25 year officer (and still a ONLY a Capt? He should be no less
then a Major or a Col by now. Seems that he has done something other
then this to ***** someone off or violated his Officers Oath and the
UCMJ as you CANNOT stay in the Military for 25 years and still only be
a Capt. in rank unless you screwed up somewhere.. I know a Marine Capt
that was promoted to Major a good three to four months before he
retired with 20 years, and now is in line to become a Lt.Col in the
reserves, and has STILL got over 8 weeks to go before he hists his
25th year of Service.) this Capt should know that to make his
statement, he would face judicial punishment. He was home for 11
months and was crying like a baby about wanting another 30 days.
This whiner should be removed ASAP as his career is now over.
Typical Facist attitude. Never question whether your orders are legal.
Typical liberal whines...you go where you are ordered to go. There is
not and WAS NOT any law or military regulation that said anyone would
get a full 12 months at home, this was just something that the Army
Reserve Commander started on his own. And for your information moron,
this general has to abide by what the Joint Cheifs and the Sec of
Defense say is policy. You dont like this? Then change the Military
structure, but until then shut your face on issued you OBVIOUSLY have
no bloody idea of what your speaking of. You said you were in the
Military, then you MUST know that what this twit did was illegal and a
violation of the UCMJ, and for you to try to defend this means either
you lied when you said you were in the military, or you have no idea
what military regulations are about or both, you deicde what one! And
this is NOT the same as an illegal order as I said before, there was
NO OFFICIAL POLICY IN THE MILITARY THAT EVEN MENTIONED THIS!!!!
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:08:43 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The New York Times, 11/29/03:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/29/national/29ARMY.html
Reservist Faces Punishment After Questioning a Waiver
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ROCHESTER (AP) --
Capt. Steve McAlpin, a longtime Army reservist who spent most of last
year deployed in Afghanistan, learned this week that he is facing
insubordination charges that could end his 25-year military career.
His breach of discipline is questioning the legality of a waiver his
battalion was asked to sign that would put his unit back in a combat
zone after only 11 months at home.
Under federal law, Captain McAlpin noted, troops are allowed a
12-month "stabilization period."
Captain McAlpin, 44, was notified in a memorandum on Wednesday that he
was being removed from the 401st Civil Affairs Battalion's battle
roster.
He said he could face other punishment, including a court-martial and
loss of rank.
Members of the 401st will be deployed for duty overseas next
Wednesday.
The commander, Lt. Col. Phillip Carey, says in his memorandum that
Captain McAlpin had a "negative attitude" and was being "insubordinate
towards the leadership" of the 401st.
Captain McAlpin said he questioned the waiver last Saturday in a
teleconference with Col. Guy Sands, commander of the captain's parent
unit, the 360th Civil Affairs Brigade in Fort Jackson, S.C.
About a dozen other officers refused to sign the waiver, as well as
four enlisted soldiers called to redeploy, Captain McAlpin said.
"Soldiers are proud to serve any time, anywhere. I'd go tomorrow," he
said on Friday from his home in Victor, 20 miles southeast of
Rochester.
"But I have four soldiers that don't want to go."
The memorandum orders Captain McAlpin to clear up his affairs at the
unit by Monday, when it bans him from battalion grounds.
It also transfers him to the Individual Ready Reserves, whose soldiers
can be called up in the event of a national emergency.
Instead of signing the reprimand document, Captain McAlpin wrote a
note of protest, stating that his performance evaluations had been
excellent and that his record showed "no pattern of incompetence."
Captain McAlpin served in Bosnia in 1996.
Last year, while stationed in Afghanistan, he was a liaison to local
warlords, coordinated relief supplies and organized an
English-language teaching program.
He said the military should "honor soldiers that have gone already" by
giving them "a break from the hazards of combat."
A spokesman for the 401st, Capt. Brian Earley, said Captain McAlpin's
questioning of the waiver was only one reason he was being
disciplined, with others including difficulties on the mission to
Afghanistan.
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05 Dec 2003 04:22:38 AM |
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On 1 Dec 2003 04:57:33 -0800, (Steve) wrote:
Typical Facist attitude. Never question whether your orders are legal.
Especially if your superiors ask you to kill civilians
i.e. Vietnam
US soldiers forced Vietnamese civilians, Old woman, children and the
rest to dig up their own graves, the force to jump and then machined
gun them to death while they burned their houses.
It's too bad that the US can't be tried for War crimes in an
International Court of Law like is expected from all the other
countries in the world except America.
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| User: "Tazmanian Devil" |
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09 Dec 2003 11:24:29 AM |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:22:38 GMT, George W Bush
<republicans=corruption@whitehouse_of_lies.org> wrote:
On 1 Dec 2003 04:57:33 -0800, (Steve) wrote:
Typical Facist attitude. Never question whether your orders are legal.
Especially if your superiors ask you to kill civilians
i.e. Vietnam
US soldiers forced Vietnamese civilians, Old woman, children and the
rest to dig up their own graves, the force to jump and then machined
gun them to death while they burned their houses.
It's too bad that the US can't be tried for War crimes in an
International Court of Law like is expected from all the other
countries in the world except America.
Don't ask for what you don't want as the first person in line would be
Bill Clinton because of his giving "nodding" permission for the
slaughter of the Serbs and his bombing of the aspirin factory in the
Sudan that killed over 50 people, and lets not forget his selling of
aids tainted blood to the Canadian Red Cross that cost the lives of
over 40,000 people in Alberta, and cost the CRC over 1.5 BILLION
dollars in fines according to the RCMP and the Toronto Star
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