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29 Dec 2006 08:54:41 AM |
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Giant ice shelf breaks free south of the North Pole |
From The Associated Press, 12/29/06:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_Break.php
Ancient ice shelf snaps and breaks free from the Canadian Arctic
The Associated Press
TORONTO:
A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the North
Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a "major"
reason for the event.
The Ayles Ice Shelf — 66 square kilometers (41 square miles) of it —
broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about
800 kilometers (500 miles) south of the North Pole in the Canadian
Arctic.
Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery.
Within one hour of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice
island, leaving a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.
Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions,
traveled to the newly formed ice island and was amazed at the sight.
"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing
remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for
many thousands of years," Vincent said.
"We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of
accelerated change ahead."
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Harry
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29 Dec 2006 09:15:09 AM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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From The Associated Press, 12/29/06:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_Break.php
Ancient ice shelf snaps and breaks free from the Canadian Arctic
Maybe it just had to pee. Sometimes you have to step out of those Canadian
beer parties
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30 Dec 2006 06:20:39 PM |
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Harry, FYI, everything is South of the North Pole
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29 Dec 2006 10:30:35 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:54:41 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The Associated Press, 12/29/06:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_Break.php
Ancient ice shelf snaps and breaks free from the Canadian Arctic
The Associated Press
TORONTO:
A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the North
Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a "major"
reason for the event.
The Ayles Ice Shelf — 66 square kilometers (41 square miles) of it —
broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about
800 kilometers (500 miles) south of the North Pole in the Canadian
Arctic.
Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery.
Within one hour of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice
island, leaving a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.
Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions,
traveled to the newly formed ice island and was amazed at the sight.
"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing
remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for
many thousands of years," Vincent said.
"We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of
accelerated change ahead."
The assumption here is that before man that the climate was constant.
"Global climate change is real: And it has been for over 4 billion
years." -- Captain compassion
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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31 Dec 2006 02:31:36 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:54:41 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The Associated Press, 12/29/06:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_
Break.php
Ancient ice shelf snaps and breaks free from the Canadian Arctic
The Associated Press
TORONTO:
A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the North
Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a "major"
reason for the event.
The Ayles Ice Shelf - 66 square kilometers (41 square miles) of it -
broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about
800 kilometers (500 miles) south of the North Pole in the Canadian
Arctic.
Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery.
Within one hour of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice
island, leaving a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.
Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions,
traveled to the newly formed ice island and was amazed at the sight.
"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing
remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for
many thousands of years," Vincent said.
"We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of
accelerated change ahead."
The assumption here is that before man that the climate was constant.
No one thinks that but you, Mr. Indenial.
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29 Dec 2006 10:51:26 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:54:41 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The Associated Press, 12/29/06:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_Break.php
Ancient ice shelf snaps and breaks free from the Canadian Arctic
The Associated Press
TORONTO:
A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the North
Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a "major"
reason for the event.
The Ayles Ice Shelf - 66 square kilometers (41 square miles) of it -
broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about
800 kilometers (500 miles) south of the North Pole in the Canadian
Arctic.
Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery.
Within one hour of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice
island, leaving a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.
Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions,
traveled to the newly formed ice island and was amazed at the sight.
"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing
remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for
many thousands of years," Vincent said.
"We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of
accelerated change ahead."
The assumption here is that before man that the climate was constant.
No, it isn;t.
"Global climate change is real: And it has been for over 4 billion
years." -- Captain compassion
Yep.
But the rate of change is accelerating wihtout accompanying changes in
natural factors.
Larry
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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29 Dec 2006 11:27:59 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:51:26 -0500, "Larry Hewitt"
<larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:54:41 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The Associated Press, 12/29/06:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_Break.php
Ancient ice shelf snaps and breaks free from the Canadian Arctic
The Associated Press
TORONTO:
A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the North
Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a "major"
reason for the event.
The Ayles Ice Shelf - 66 square kilometers (41 square miles) of it -
broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about
800 kilometers (500 miles) south of the North Pole in the Canadian
Arctic.
Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery.
Within one hour of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice
island, leaving a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.
Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions,
traveled to the newly formed ice island and was amazed at the sight.
"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing
remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for
many thousands of years," Vincent said.
"We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of
accelerated change ahead."
The assumption here is that before man that the climate was constant.
No, it isn;t.
Certainly that is the belief. Why would there be the assumption that
ice breaking off an arctic island in summer over a year ago be
unusual? 125,000 years ago, during the last interglacial, there was
little arctic ice.
"The warmest peak of the Eemian was around 125,000 years ago, when
forests reached as far north as North Cape (which is now tundra) in
northern Norway well above the Arctic Circle at 71°10'21?N,
25°47'40?E. Hardwood trees like hazel and oak grew as far north as
Oulu, Finland. Sea levels at that time were 5-8 meters higher than
they are now, possibly indicating greater deglaciation than today
(mostly from partial melting of the ice sheet of Greenland).(Aber
2004) Scandinavia was an island due to the inundation of vast areas of
northern Europe and the West Siberian Plain."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eemian_interglacial
"Global climate change is real: And it has been for over 4 billion
years." -- Captain compassion
Yep.
But the rate of change is accelerating wihtout accompanying changes in
natural factors.
The assumption here is that all natural factors are known and
understood.
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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29 Dec 2006 02:14:39 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:51:26 -0500, "Larry Hewitt"
<larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:54:41 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The Associated Press, 12/29/06:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_Break.php
Ancient ice shelf snaps and breaks free from the Canadian Arctic
The Associated Press
TORONTO:
A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the North
Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a "major"
reason for the event.
The Ayles Ice Shelf - 66 square kilometers (41 square miles) of it -
broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about
800 kilometers (500 miles) south of the North Pole in the Canadian
Arctic.
Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery.
Within one hour of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice
island, leaving a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.
Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions,
traveled to the newly formed ice island and was amazed at the sight.
"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing
remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for
many thousands of years," Vincent said.
"We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of
accelerated change ahead."
The assumption here is that before man that the climate was constant.
No, it isn;t.
Certainly that is the belief. Why would there be the assumption that
ice breaking off an arctic island in summer over a year ago be
unusual? 125,000 years ago, during the last interglacial, there was
little arctic ice.
Cetainl;y it is not the belief.
Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Larry
"The warmest peak of the Eemian was around 125,000 years ago, when
forests reached as far north as North Cape (which is now tundra) in
northern Norway well above the Arctic Circle at 71°10'21?N,
25°47'40?E. Hardwood trees like hazel and oak grew as far north as
Oulu, Finland. Sea levels at that time were 5-8 meters higher than
they are now, possibly indicating greater deglaciation than today
(mostly from partial melting of the ice sheet of Greenland).(Aber
2004) Scandinavia was an island due to the inundation of vast areas of
northern Europe and the West Siberian Plain."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eemian_interglacial
"Global climate change is real: And it has been for over 4 billion
years." -- Captain compassion
Yep.
But the rate of change is accelerating wihtout accompanying changes in
natural factors.
The assumption here is that all natural factors are known and
understood.
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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29 Dec 2006 03:23:07 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:14:39 -0500, "Larry Hewitt"
<larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:51:26 -0500, "Larry Hewitt"
<larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:54:41 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The Associated Press, 12/29/06:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_Break.php
Ancient ice shelf snaps and breaks free from the Canadian Arctic
The Associated Press
TORONTO:
A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the North
Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a "major"
reason for the event.
The Ayles Ice Shelf - 66 square kilometers (41 square miles) of it -
broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about
800 kilometers (500 miles) south of the North Pole in the Canadian
Arctic.
Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery.
Within one hour of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice
island, leaving a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.
Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions,
traveled to the newly formed ice island and was amazed at the sight.
"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing
remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for
many thousands of years," Vincent said.
"We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of
accelerated change ahead."
The assumption here is that before man that the climate was constant.
No, it isn;t.
Certainly that is the belief. Why would there be the assumption that
ice breaking off an arctic island in summer over a year ago be
unusual? 125,000 years ago, during the last interglacial, there was
little arctic ice.
Cetainl;y it is not the belief.
Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Rate contrasted to what? A less than 1 C. increase in global
temperature in 100 years isn't unique. At the end of the Younger Dryas
there are scientists who believe that the temperatures may have
increased around 7 C. in just a few years.
"The warmest peak of the Eemian was around 125,000 years ago, when
forests reached as far north as North Cape (which is now tundra) in
northern Norway well above the Arctic Circle at 71°10'21?N,
25°47'40?E. Hardwood trees like hazel and oak grew as far north as
Oulu, Finland. Sea levels at that time were 5-8 meters higher than
they are now, possibly indicating greater deglaciation than today
(mostly from partial melting of the ice sheet of Greenland).(Aber
2004) Scandinavia was an island due to the inundation of vast areas of
northern Europe and the West Siberian Plain."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eemian_interglacial
"Global climate change is real: And it has been for over 4 billion
years." -- Captain compassion
Yep.
But the rate of change is accelerating wihtout accompanying changes in
natural factors.
The assumption here is that all natural factors are known and
understood.
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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29 Dec 2006 03:44:39 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:14:39 -0500, "Larry Hewitt"
<larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:51:26 -0500, "Larry Hewitt"
<larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:54:41 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From The Associated Press, 12/29/06:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/29/america/NA_GEN_Canada_Arctic_Ice_Break.php
Ancient ice shelf snaps and breaks free from the Canadian Arctic
The Associated Press
TORONTO:
A giant ice shelf has snapped free from an island south of the North
Pole, scientists said Thursday, citing climate change as a "major"
reason for the event.
The Ayles Ice Shelf - 66 square kilometers (41 square miles) of it -
broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about
800 kilometers (500 miles) south of the North Pole in the Canadian
Arctic.
Scientists discovered the event by using satellite imagery.
Within one hour of breaking free, the shelf had formed as a new ice
island, leaving a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.
Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions,
traveled to the newly formed ice island and was amazed at the sight.
"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are losing
remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for
many thousands of years," Vincent said.
"We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of
accelerated change ahead."
The assumption here is that before man that the climate was constant.
No, it isn;t.
Certainly that is the belief. Why would there be the assumption that
ice breaking off an arctic island in summer over a year ago be
unusual? 125,000 years ago, during the last interglacial, there was
little arctic ice.
Cetainl;y it is not the belief.
Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Rate contrasted to what? A less than 1 C. increase in global
temperature in 100 years isn't unique. At the end of the Younger Dryas
there are scientists who believe that the temperatures may have
increased around 7 C. in just a few years.
Ok.
But the Younger Dryas is believed to have been caused by a global level
catastrophic event, the emptying of the vast Lake Agassiz and the consequent
shutting down of the Atlantic conveyor (gulf stream) that warmed Northern
Europe.
The sudden drop in temrperature resulted from the flood, and the equally
sudden rise was the ocenans finally purging themselves of the fresh water.
In any event, no such catastrophic event is occurring today, except for man.
Larry
"The warmest peak of the Eemian was around 125,000 years ago, when
forests reached as far north as North Cape (which is now tundra) in
northern Norway well above the Arctic Circle at 71°10'21?N,
25°47'40?E. Hardwood trees like hazel and oak grew as far north as
Oulu, Finland. Sea levels at that time were 5-8 meters higher than
they are now, possibly indicating greater deglaciation than today
(mostly from partial melting of the ice sheet of Greenland).(Aber
2004) Scandinavia was an island due to the inundation of vast areas of
northern Europe and the West Siberian Plain."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eemian_interglacial
"Global climate change is real: And it has been for over 4 billion
years." -- Captain compassion
Yep.
But the rate of change is accelerating wihtout accompanying changes in
natural factors.
The assumption here is that all natural factors are known and
understood.
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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30 Dec 2006 03:23:24 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Rate contrasted to what? A less than 1 C. increase in global
temperature in 100 years isn't unique.
The region was 3C (5.4F) above average in the summer of 2005, he [Proffessor
Copland] said.
Ice shelves in Canada's far north have shrunk by as much as 90% since 1906.
"It's hard to tie one event to climate change, but when you look at the
longer-term trend, the bigger picture, we've lost a lot of ice shelves on
northern Ellesmere in the past century.
"This is that continuing and this is the biggest one in the last 25 years,"
he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6218333.stm
Offered without comment.
A W-S
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30 Dec 2006 01:26:01 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:23:24 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
<grawillers@westnet.com.au> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Rate contrasted to what? A less than 1 C. increase in global
temperature in 100 years isn't unique.
The region was 3C (5.4F) above average in the summer of 2005, he [Proffessor
Copland] said.
Is it your belief that this temperature spike is now the normal
temperature for this part of the world? If the average summer
temperature is in cooler in 2006 or 2007 does this negate your theory?
Ice shelves in Canada's far north have shrunk by as much as 90% since 1906.
It is difficult to equate the shrinking of glaciers with human
activity prior to 1945. Any shrinking before 1945 would have be
"natural".
"It's hard to tie one event to climate change, but when you look at the
longer-term trend, the bigger picture, we've lost a lot of ice shelves on
northern Ellesmere in the past century.
"This is that continuing and this is the biggest one in the last 25 years,"
he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6218333.stm
Your example is anecdotal and deals with transitory local conditions.
Offered without comment.
A W-S
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Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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30 Dec 2006 02:19:52 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:23:24 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
<grawillers@westnet.com.au> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:5s0bp2l7ff6jam1t2qu1iilvv4vjvbfrt0@4ax.com...
Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE
that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Rate contrasted to what? A less than 1 C. increase in global
temperature in 100 years isn't unique.
The region was 3C (5.4F) above average in the summer of 2005, he
[Proffessor
Copland] said.
Is it your belief that this temperature spike is now the normal
temperature for this part of the world? If the average summer
temperature is in cooler in 2006 or 2007 does this negate your theory?
Ice shelves in Canada's far north have shrunk by as much as 90% since
1906.
It is difficult to equate the shrinking of glaciers with human
activity prior to 1945. Any shrinking before 1945 would have be
"natural".
Irrelevant.
Perhaps an analogy.
A rain forest grows for millenia. Plants grow and die in a regular cycle,
changing slowly to adapt to slowly changing climate. But the reain forest
lives on.
Then man comes and cuts it down.
Was the death of the rain forest due to the natural cycles of fire, cold,
heat, and disease, or man?
Larry
"It's hard to tie one event to climate change, but when you look at the
longer-term trend, the bigger picture, we've lost a lot of ice shelves on
northern Ellesmere in the past century.
"This is that continuing and this is the biggest one in the last 25
years,"
he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6218333.stm
Your example is anecdotal and deals with transitory local conditions.
Offered without comment.
A W-S
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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30 Dec 2006 02:29:30 PM |
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"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:ipedp25kr2brq565sg8j7voohn8hqkrf69@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:23:24 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
<grawillers@westnet.com.au> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:5s0bp2l7ff6jam1t2qu1iilvv4vjvbfrt0@4ax.com...
Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE
that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Rate contrasted to what? A less than 1 C. increase in global
temperature in 100 years isn't unique.
The region was 3C (5.4F) above average in the summer of 2005, he
[Proffessor
Copland] said.
Is it your belief that this temperature spike is now the normal
temperature for this part of the world? If the average summer
temperature is in cooler in 2006 or 2007 does this negate your theory?
Ice shelves in Canada's far north have shrunk by as much as 90% since
1906.
It is difficult to equate the shrinking of glaciers with human
activity prior to 1945. Any shrinking before 1945 would have be
"natural".
Irrelevant.
Nope
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30 Dec 2006 11:49:22 PM |
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"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12pdj34dpbo7m33@corp.supernews.com...
"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message
news:en6hl8$t2v$1@news04.infoave.net...
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:ipedp25kr2brq565sg8j7voohn8hqkrf69@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:23:24 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
<grawillers@westnet.com.au> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:5s0bp2l7ff6jam1t2qu1iilvv4vjvbfrt0@4ax.com...
Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE
that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Rate contrasted to what? A less than 1 C. increase in global
temperature in 100 years isn't unique.
The region was 3C (5.4F) above average in the summer of 2005, he
[Proffessor
Copland] said.
Is it your belief that this temperature spike is now the normal
temperature for this part of the world? If the average summer
temperature is in cooler in 2006 or 2007 does this negate your theory?
Ice shelves in Canada's far north have shrunk by as much as 90% since
1906.
It is difficult to equate the shrinking of glaciers with human
activity prior to 1945. Any shrinking before 1945 would have be
"natural".
Irrelevant.
Nope
Evidence?
What is the point of repeatedly demonstrating to everyone that you are a
complete fool with nothing to say.
We already know that.
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| User: "Adam Whyte-Settlar" |
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30 Dec 2006 11:46:07 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:ipedp25kr2brq565sg8j7voohn8hqkrf69@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:23:24 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
<grawillers@westnet.com.au> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:5s0bp2l7ff6jam1t2qu1iilvv4vjvbfrt0@4ax.com...
Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE
that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Rate contrasted to what? A less than 1 C. increase in global
temperature in 100 years isn't unique.
The region was 3C (5.4F) above average in the summer of 2005, he
[Proffessor
Copland] said.
Is it your belief that this temperature spike is now the normal
temperature for this part of the world? If the average summer
temperature is in cooler in 2006 or 2007 does this negate your theory?
It's not 'my theory'. Like I said it is offered without comment.
The article is quoting a professor of climatology at the University of
Ottawa.
Ask the University's climatology department.
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| User: "Matt" |
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30 Dec 2006 02:16:30 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:23:24 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
<grawillers@westnet.com.au> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:5s0bp2l7ff6jam1t2qu1iilvv4vjvbfrt0@4ax.com...
Historical changes of this magnitude were slow. Again, it is the RATE that
causes concern, not the change itself.
Rate contrasted to what? A less than 1 C. increase in global
temperature in 100 years isn't unique.
The region was 3C (5.4F) above average in the summer of 2005, he [Proffessor
Copland] said.
Is it your belief that this temperature spike is now the normal
temperature for this part of the world? If the average summer
temperature is in cooler in 2006 or 2007 does this negate your theory?
No. It is not normal to expect the temperature to rise in a straight
line graph.
We are looking at trends.
Ice shelves in Canada's far north have shrunk by as much as 90% since 1906.
It is difficult to equate the shrinking of glaciers with human
activity prior to 1945. Any shrinking before 1945 would have be
"natural".
Er, why? We've been putting carbon dioxide and such into the air since
the industrial
revolution.
"It's hard to tie one event to climate change, but when you look at the
longer-term trend, the bigger picture, we've lost a lot of ice shelves on
northern Ellesmere in the past century.
"This is that continuing and this is the biggest one in the last 25 years,"
he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6218333.stm
Your example is anecdotal and deals with transitory local conditions.
Yes, it does. However, the trends really are not good. Tornadoes in
Texas in
December? Back to back snow storms in Colorado? These things are
unusual.
There COULD be alternative explanations, but none have surfaced yet.
Its
not a good sign.
Matt
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| User: "Dana" |
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30 Dec 2006 02:32:46 PM |
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"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167509790.874756.271280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Yes, it does. However, the trends really are not good. Tornadoes in
Texas in
December? Back to back snow storms in Colorado? These things are
unusual.
Snow storms in Colorado, nothing unusual there.
Kind of like saying snow in Alaska is unusual.
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| User: "Matt" |
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30 Dec 2006 02:53:34 PM |
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Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167509790.874756.271280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Yes, it does. However, the trends really are not good. Tornadoes in
Texas in
December? Back to back snow storms in Colorado? These things are
unusual.
Snow storms in Colorado, nothing unusual there.
Really. You live in Colorado now?
Kind of like saying snow in Alaska is unusual.
You are an idiot. I live in Colorado. You live in a mental institution.
Shut up until you know what you are talking about, kid.
Matt
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| User: "Dana" |
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30 Dec 2006 03:11:08 PM |
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"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167512013.988547.140060@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167509790.874756.271280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Yes, it does. However, the trends really are not good. Tornadoes in
Texas in
December? Back to back snow storms in Colorado? These things are
unusual.
Snow storms in Colorado, nothing unusual there.
Really.
Yep Colorado gets snow, and quite a bit of snow at that.
Kind of like saying snow in Alaska is unusual.
You are an idiot.
I am not the one saying snow in Colorado is unusual.
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| User: "Matt" |
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30 Dec 2006 04:55:26 PM |
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Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167512013.988547.140060@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167509790.874756.271280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Yes, it does. However, the trends really are not good. Tornadoes in
Texas in
December? Back to back snow storms in Colorado? These things are
unusual.
Snow storms in Colorado, nothing unusual there.
Really.
Yep Colorado gets snow, and quite a bit of snow at that.
Kind of like saying snow in Alaska is unusual.
You are an idiot.
I am not the one saying snow in Colorado is unusual.
So, you don't live in Colorado. And have no idea if this is unusual or
not.
In short, you've proved yourself to be an idiot.
Matt
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| User: "Dana" |
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31 Dec 2006 12:21:26 PM |
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"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167519326.909829.29370@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167512013.988547.140060@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167509790.874756.271280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Yes, it does. However, the trends really are not good. Tornadoes
in
Texas in
December? Back to back snow storms in Colorado? These things are
unusual.
Snow storms in Colorado, nothing unusual there.
Really.
Yep Colorado gets snow, and quite a bit of snow at that.
Kind of like saying snow in Alaska is unusual.
You are an idiot.
I am not the one saying snow in Colorado is unusual.
So, you don't live in Colorado.
Everyone knows Colorado gets quite a bit of snow, except it seems for you
idiotic ecco terrorists.
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| User: "Matt" |
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31 Dec 2006 01:45:43 PM |
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Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167519326.909829.29370@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167512013.988547.140060@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167509790.874756.271280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Yes, it does. However, the trends really are not good. Tornadoes
in
Texas in
December? Back to back snow storms in Colorado? These things are
unusual.
Snow storms in Colorado, nothing unusual there.
Really.
Yep Colorado gets snow, and quite a bit of snow at that.
Kind of like saying snow in Alaska is unusual.
You are an idiot.
I am not the one saying snow in Colorado is unusual.
So, you don't live in Colorado.
Everyone knows Colorado gets quite a bit of snow, except it seems for you
idiotic ecco terrorists.
Really. Why don't you tell me how much snow we usually get here in
Colorado
in December? Go ahead, knock yourself out.
Oh, remove the foothills and the Boulder area, since they aren't a part
of Denver,
but will appearn in any national figures.
You can do that, right, because EVERYONE knows how much snow we get
here in Denver.
Idiot four year olds like Dana should not be permitted to post to the
net.
Matt
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| User: "Dana" |
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31 Dec 2006 03:35:59 PM |
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"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167594343.230390.57770@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167519326.909829.29370@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167512013.988547.140060@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167509790.874756.271280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Yes, it does. However, the trends really are not good.
Tornadoes
in
Texas in
December? Back to back snow storms in Colorado? These things
are
unusual.
Snow storms in Colorado, nothing unusual there.
Really.
Yep Colorado gets snow, and quite a bit of snow at that.
Kind of like saying snow in Alaska is unusual.
You are an idiot.
I am not the one saying snow in Colorado is unusual.
So, you don't live in Colorado.
Everyone knows Colorado gets quite a bit of snow, except it seems for
you
idiotic ecco terrorists.
Really.
Yep.
Now matt, get off your ***** mothers computer and finish your high school
homework.
You may be better off finding out who your biological father is.
Matt
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| User: "Matt" |
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31 Dec 2006 04:25:26 PM |
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Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167594343.230390.57770@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167519326.909829.29370@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167512013.988547.140060@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dana wrote:
"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:1167509790.874756.271280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Yes, it does. However, the trends really are not good.
Tornadoes
in
Texas in
December? Back to back snow storms in Colorado? These things
are
unusual.
Snow storms in Colorado, nothing unusual there.
Really.
Yep Colorado gets snow, and quite a bit of snow at that.
Kind of like saying snow in Alaska is unusual.
You are an idiot.
I am not the one saying snow in Colorado is unusual.
So, you don't live in Colorado.
Everyone knows Colorado gets quite a bit of snow, except it seems for
you
idiotic ecco terrorists.
Really.
Yep.
Now matt, get off your ***** mothers computer and finish your high school
homework.
Oooo, a DEVASTATING retort.
Have you found Colorado on a map yet, Danish?
How about that average snowfall?
Still waiting, Danish.
Matt
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31 Dec 2006 09:11:30 PM |
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From: dana raffaniello (danaraffanie...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: houston toilet for ladies
Newsgroups: alt.personals.fetish
View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format
Date: 1997/11/02
use me as your toilet. will be toilet for female parties. can also
be used
as a rug, so you can walk on me.
Search Result 307
From: dana raffaniello (danaraffanie...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: ladies use my tongue for your pleasure
Newsgroups: houston.personals
View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format
Date: 1997/11/02
swm very oral will orally worship any female that wishes to be
worshipped.
will kiss and lick your feet and butt .
might be wiling to be your toilet paper if you are that aggressive.
From: dana raffaniello (danaraffanie...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: will worship female butt and feet
Newsgroups: houston.personals
View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format
Date: 1997/11/02
swm will worship your feet and butt nothing but oral. use my tongue
and
mouth for your pleasure. no penetration unless wanted.
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http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:Dana+author:Raffaniello&hl=e...
houston toilet for ladies
use me as your toilet. will be toilet for female parties.
can also be used as a rug, so you can walk on me.
alt.personals.fetish - 02 Nov 1997 by dana raffaniello - View Thread
(1 article)
ladies use my tongue for your pleasure
swm very oral will orally worship any female that wishes to be
worshipped. will kiss and lick your feet and
butt . might be wiling to be your toilet paper if you are that
aggressive.
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30 Dec 2006 01:52:52 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Certainly that is the belief. Why would there be the assumption that
ice breaking off an arctic island in summer over a year ago be
unusual? 125,000 years ago, during the last interglacial, there was
little arctic ice.
And not much in the way of human civilization. I, for one, would like
to keep that period as a historical relic rather than aspire to repeat
it just to see what would happen.
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| User: "Dana" |
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30 Dec 2006 02:03:17 PM |
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"z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
news:1167508372.064921.200670@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Certainly that is the belief. Why would there be the assumption that
ice breaking off an arctic island in summer over a year ago be
unusual? 125,000 years ago, during the last interglacial, there was
little arctic ice.
And not much in the way of human civilization.
So then you agree mankind is not the cause of the Ice melting.
As you just posted, there was very little human activity and there was very
little Arctic ice.
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30 Dec 2006 04:38:10 PM |
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On 30 Dec 2006 11:52:52 -0800, "z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Certainly that is the belief. Why would there be the assumption that
ice breaking off an arctic island in summer over a year ago be
unusual? 125,000 years ago, during the last interglacial, there was
little arctic ice.
And not much in the way of human civilization. I, for one, would like
to keep that period as a historical relic rather than aspire to repeat
it just to see what would happen.
Why do I have this mental image of prehistoric man standing before a
glacier trying to keep it from advancing by leaning against it?
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Irving Layton" |
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31 Dec 2006 12:59:51 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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Why do I have this mental image of prehistoric man standing before a
glacier trying to keep it from advancing by leaning against it?
That would have been Dana's ancestor's no doubt.
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| User: "Irving Layton" |
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31 Dec 2006 01:02:47 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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The assumption here is that before man that the climate was constant.
I don't think that's anyone's assumption here, except your own.
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