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"TR" |
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12 Oct 2004 12:38:16 AM |
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Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
http://www.georgewbush.com/kerrymediacenter/Read.aspx?ID=3883
Monday, October 11, 2004
Remarks by Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani in Conference Call Today
ARLINGTON, VA - Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani delivered the
following remarks in a Bush-Cheney '04 conference call today:
"For some time, and including when I spoke at the Republican Convention, I'
ve wondered exactly what John Kerry's approach would be to terrorism and I'
ve wondered whether he had the conviction, the determination, and the focus,
and the correct worldview to conduct a successful war against terrorism. And
his quotations in the New York Times yesterday make it clear that he lacks
that kind of committed view of the world. In fact, his comments are kind of
extraordinary, particularly since he thinks we used to before September 11
live in a relatively safe world. He says we have to get back to the place we
were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a
nuisance.
"I'm wondering exactly when Senator Kerry thought they were just a nuisance.
Maybe when they attacked the USS Cole? Or when they attacked the World Trade
Center in 1993? Or when they slaughtered the Israeli athletes at the Munich
Olympics in 1972? Or killed Leon Klinghoffer by throwing him overboard? Or
the innumerable number of terrorist acts that they committed in the 70s, the
80s and the 90s, leading up to September 11?
"This is so different from the President's view and my own, which is in
those days, when we were fooling ourselves about the danger of terrorism, we
were actually in the greatest danger. When you don't confront correctly and
view realistically the danger that you face, that's when you're at the
greatest risk. When you at least realize the danger and you begin to
confront it, then you begin to become safer. And for him to say that in the
good old days - I'm assuming he means the 90s and the 80s and the 70s --
they were just a nuisance, this really begins to explain a lot of his
inconsistent positions on how to deal with it because he's not defining it
correctly.
"As a former law enforcement person, he says 'I know we're never going to
end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're going
to reduce it.' This is not illegal gambling; this isn't prostitution. Having
been a former law enforcement person for a lot longer than John Kerry ever
was, I don't understand his confusion. Even when he says 'organized crime to
a level where it isn't not on the rise,' it was not the goal of the Justice
Department to just reduce organized crime. It was the goal of the Justice
Department to eliminate organized crime. Was there some acceptable level of
organized crime: two families, instead of five, or they can control one
union but not the other?
The idea that you can have an acceptable level of terrorism is frightening.
How do you explain that to the people who are beheaded or the innocent
people that are killed, that we're going to tolerate a certain acceptable
[level] of terrorism, and that acceptable level will exist and then we'll
stop thinking about it? This is an extraordinary statement. I think it is
not a statement that in any way is ancillary. I think this is the core of
John Kerry's thinking. This does create some consistency in his thinking.
"It is consistent with his views on Vietnam: that we should have left and
abandoned Vietnam. It is consistent with his view of Nicaragua and the
Sandinistas. It is consistent with his view of opposing Ronald Reagan at
every step of the way in the arms buildup that was necessary to destroy
communism. It is consistent with his view of not supporting the Persian Gulf
War, which was another extraordinary step. Whatever John Kerry's global test
is, the Persian Gulf War certainly would pass anyone's global test. If it
were up to John Kerry, Saddam Hussein would not only still be in power, but
he'd still be controlling Kuwait.
"Finally, what he did after the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, where I
guess at that point terrorism was still just a nuisance. He must have
thought that because that's why he proposed seriously reducing our
intelligence budget, when you would think someone who was really sensitive
to the problem of terrorism would have done just the opposite. I think that
rather than being some aberrational comment, it is the core of the John
Kerry philosophy: that terrorism is no different than domestic law
enforcement problems, and that the best we're ever going to be able to do is
reduce it, so why not follow the more European approach of compromising with
it the way Europeans did in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s?
"This is so totally different than what I think was the major advance that
President Bush made - significant advance that he made in the Bush Doctrine
on September 20, 2001, when he said we're going to face up to terrorism and
we're going to do everything we can to defeat it, completely. There's no
reason why we have to tolerate global terrorism, just like there's no reason
to tolerate organized crime.
"So I think this is a seminal issue, this is one that explains or ties
together a lot of things that we've talked about. Even this notion that the
Kerry campaign was so upset that the Vice President and others were saying
that he doesn't understand the threat of terrorism; that he thinks it's just
a law enforcement action. It turns out the Vice President was right. He does
and maybe this is a difference, maybe this is an honest difference that we
really should debate straight out. He thinks that the threat is not as great
as at least the President does, and I do, and the Vice President does."
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
12 Oct 2004 05:34:03 AM |
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GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
From this false premise (just like the false premise of Iraq having
WMDs) of what Kerry said Bush & Co. then go on to state that Kerry doesn't
"understand" terrorism. But who really doesn't understand?
Terrorists are created when people come to believe they either have
nothing worth living for and are angry about it (rather than resigned and
suicidal) or that they have been so seriously wronged with no hope of
peaceful redress that they feel justified in killing those people they blame
for their situation.
Bush is acting on the belief that he can kill people who are currently
terrorists with overwhelming military force even in civilian areas and
thereby reduce the number of terrorists to insignificance. In fact, the
number of civilians who are killed during this process creates more
terrorists. Not just now, but for a long time to come: Imagine the child
who experiences the destruction of their home and/or the death of parents
and/or siblings, or even close friends. Some of these children may become
resigned, but some of them will remain angry, waiting for their chance to
strike back.
What Kerry proposes is simply that diplomacy and peaceful engagement
will alleviate the causes for the creation of terrorists. He vows that he
will kill current terrorists but his policies of using war only as a last
resort, carefully targeted to insure it is terrorists being killed, and with
a balanced representation of forces from many major countries in order to
keep US from being the primary target of terrorist retaliation is far more
likely to reduce the number of new terrorists.
Kerry's policy is far more likely to return terrorism to a nuisance by
reducing the causes for people to become terrorists. Bush talks of
overwhelming the entire Middle-East in a 'generational war'. Now who
doesn't understand terrorism?
"TR" <TR@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.georgewbush.com/kerrymediacenter/Read.aspx?ID=3883
Monday, October 11, 2004
Remarks by Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani in Conference Call
Today
ARLINGTON, VA - Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani delivered the
following remarks in a Bush-Cheney '04 conference call today:
"For some time, and including when I spoke at the Republican Convention,
I'
ve wondered exactly what John Kerry's approach would be to terrorism and
I'
ve wondered whether he had the conviction, the determination, and the
focus,
and the correct worldview to conduct a successful war against terrorism.
And
his quotations in the New York Times yesterday make it clear that he lacks
that kind of committed view of the world. In fact, his comments are kind
of
extraordinary, particularly since he thinks we used to before September 11
live in a relatively safe world. He says we have to get back to the place
we
were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a
nuisance.
"I'm wondering exactly when Senator Kerry thought they were just a
nuisance.
Maybe when they attacked the USS Cole? Or when they attacked the World
Trade
Center in 1993? Or when they slaughtered the Israeli athletes at the
Munich
Olympics in 1972? Or killed Leon Klinghoffer by throwing him overboard? Or
the innumerable number of terrorist acts that they committed in the 70s,
the
80s and the 90s, leading up to September 11?
"This is so different from the President's view and my own, which is in
those days, when we were fooling ourselves about the danger of terrorism,
we
were actually in the greatest danger. When you don't confront correctly
and
view realistically the danger that you face, that's when you're at the
greatest risk. When you at least realize the danger and you begin to
confront it, then you begin to become safer. And for him to say that in
the
good old days - I'm assuming he means the 90s and the 80s and the 70s --
they were just a nuisance, this really begins to explain a lot of his
inconsistent positions on how to deal with it because he's not defining it
correctly.
"As a former law enforcement person, he says 'I know we're never going to
end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're
going
to reduce it.' This is not illegal gambling; this isn't prostitution.
Having
been a former law enforcement person for a lot longer than John Kerry ever
was, I don't understand his confusion. Even when he says 'organized crime
to
a level where it isn't not on the rise,' it was not the goal of the
Justice
Department to just reduce organized crime. It was the goal of the Justice
Department to eliminate organized crime. Was there some acceptable level
of
organized crime: two families, instead of five, or they can control one
union but not the other?
The idea that you can have an acceptable level of terrorism is
frightening.
How do you explain that to the people who are beheaded or the innocent
people that are killed, that we're going to tolerate a certain acceptable
[level] of terrorism, and that acceptable level will exist and then we'll
stop thinking about it? This is an extraordinary statement. I think it is
not a statement that in any way is ancillary. I think this is the core of
John Kerry's thinking. This does create some consistency in his thinking.
"It is consistent with his views on Vietnam: that we should have left and
abandoned Vietnam. It is consistent with his view of Nicaragua and the
Sandinistas. It is consistent with his view of opposing Ronald Reagan at
every step of the way in the arms buildup that was necessary to destroy
communism. It is consistent with his view of not supporting the Persian
Gulf
War, which was another extraordinary step. Whatever John Kerry's global
test
is, the Persian Gulf War certainly would pass anyone's global test. If it
were up to John Kerry, Saddam Hussein would not only still be in power,
but
he'd still be controlling Kuwait.
"Finally, what he did after the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, where
I
guess at that point terrorism was still just a nuisance. He must have
thought that because that's why he proposed seriously reducing our
intelligence budget, when you would think someone who was really sensitive
to the problem of terrorism would have done just the opposite. I think
that
rather than being some aberrational comment, it is the core of the John
Kerry philosophy: that terrorism is no different than domestic law
enforcement problems, and that the best we're ever going to be able to do
is
reduce it, so why not follow the more European approach of compromising
with
it the way Europeans did in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s?
"This is so totally different than what I think was the major advance that
President Bush made - significant advance that he made in the Bush
Doctrine
on September 20, 2001, when he said we're going to face up to terrorism
and
we're going to do everything we can to defeat it, completely. There's no
reason why we have to tolerate global terrorism, just like there's no
reason
to tolerate organized crime.
"So I think this is a seminal issue, this is one that explains or ties
together a lot of things that we've talked about. Even this notion that
the
Kerry campaign was so upset that the Vice President and others were saying
that he doesn't understand the threat of terrorism; that he thinks it's
just
a law enforcement action. It turns out the Vice President was right. He
does
and maybe this is a difference, maybe this is an honest difference that we
really should debate straight out. He thinks that the threat is not as
great
as at least the President does, and I do, and the Vice President does."
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| User: "Sir Cumference" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
12 Oct 2004 07:34:52 PM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS just
a nuisance.
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
13 Oct 2004 04:44:25 AM |
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"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying it at
campaign appearances don't ask me to do your research for you.
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| User: " murray" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
13 Oct 2004 04:48:18 AM |
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"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZN6bd.2312$NX5.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
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| User: "Sir Cumferenc" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
13 Oct 2004 12:49:55 PM |
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murray wrote:
"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZN6bd.2312$NX5.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
So can you proved a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying "terrorism
*is* a just a nuisance"?
.
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
13 Oct 2004 07:23:49 PM |
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"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:jrWdna53as208PDcRVn-oQ@gbronline.com...
murray wrote:
"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZN6bd.2312$NX5.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS
just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
So can you proved a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying "terrorism
*is* a just a nuisance"?
It is in the realm of common knowledge to those who are willing to hear and
listened to the news Monday. This is not a research paper requiring
notations.
.
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| User: "Sir Cumference" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
13 Oct 2004 07:17:41 PM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:jrWdna53as208PDcRVn-oQ@gbronline.com...
murray wrote:
"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZN6bd.2312$NX5.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS
just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
So can you proved a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying "terrorism
*is* a just a nuisance"?
It is in the realm of common knowledge to those who are willing to hear and
listened to the news Monday. This is not a research paper requiring
notations.
I listened to the new Monday, I didn't hear Bush quote Kerry as saying
"terrorism *is* just a nuisance". Obviously you can't provide a source
that Bush actually said it. I think you heard what you wanted to hear,
or maybe you been listening to Dan Blather too much.
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
15 Oct 2004 04:58:32 AM |
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"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:MeCdnc8JRN2JUPDcRVn-jw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:jrWdna53as208PDcRVn-oQ@gbronline.com...
murray wrote:
"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZN6bd.2312$NX5.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That
Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would
reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS
just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying
it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
So can you proved a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying "terrorism
*is* a just a nuisance"?
It is in the realm of common knowledge to those who are willing to hear
and
listened to the news Monday. This is not a research paper requiring
notations.
I listened to the new Monday, I didn't hear Bush quote Kerry as saying
"terrorism *is* just a nuisance". Obviously you can't provide a source
that Bush actually said it. I think you heard what you wanted to hear,
or maybe you been listening to Dan Blather too much.
In his response to the first question of the Tempe debate Bush said it
again.
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| User: "Sir Cumference" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
15 Oct 2004 12:20:05 PM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:MeCdnc8JRN2JUPDcRVn-jw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:jrWdna53as208PDcRVn-oQ@gbronline.com...
murray wrote:
"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZN6bd.2312$NX5.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That
Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would
reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS
just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying
it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
So can you proved a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying "terrorism
*is* a just a nuisance"?
It is in the realm of common knowledge to those who are willing to hear
and
listened to the news Monday. This is not a research paper requiring
notations.
I listened to the new Monday, I didn't hear Bush quote Kerry as saying
"terrorism *is* just a nuisance". Obviously you can't provide a source
that Bush actually said it. I think you heard what you wanted to hear,
or maybe you been listening to Dan Blather too much.
In his response to the first question of the Tempe debate Bush said it
again.
Would you like to post the quote where Bush claims Kerry said "terrorism
*is* just a nuisance". I see where states, and I quote, "My opponent
just this weekend talked about how terrorism could be reduced to a
nuisance,". Do you see *is* in that statement anywhere? I see you must
be going by Clintion's definition of what "is" is.
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
16 Oct 2004 06:30:09 AM |
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"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:MeCdnc8JRN2JUPDcRVn-jw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:jrWdna53as208PDcRVn-oQ@gbronline.com...
murray wrote:
"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZN6bd.2312$NX5.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That
Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would
reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS
just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly
saying
it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
So can you proved a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying
"terrorism
*is* a just a nuisance"?
It is in the realm of common knowledge to those who are willing to hear
and
listened to the news Monday. This is not a research paper requiring
notations.
I listened to the new Monday, I didn't hear Bush quote Kerry as saying
"terrorism *is* just a nuisance". Obviously you can't provide a source
that Bush actually said it. I think you heard what you wanted to hear,
or maybe you been listening to Dan Blather too much.
In his response to the first question of the Tempe debate Bush said it
again.
Would you like to post the quote where Bush claims Kerry said "terrorism
*is* just a nuisance". I see where states, and I quote, "My opponent
just this weekend talked about how terrorism could be reduced to a
nuisance,". Do you see *is* in that statement anywhere? I see you must
be going by Clintion's definition of what "is" is.
.
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| User: "Send Bush Packing" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
16 Oct 2004 07:51:17 AM |
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Giulani is the real fool
"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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murray wrote:
"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZN6bd.2312$NX5.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That
Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would
reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism
IS
just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly
saying
it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
So can you proved a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying
"terrorism
*is* a just a nuisance"?
It is in the realm of common knowledge to those who are willing to
hear
and
listened to the news Monday. This is not a research paper requiring
notations.
I listened to the new Monday, I didn't hear Bush quote Kerry as saying
"terrorism *is* just a nuisance". Obviously you can't provide a source
that Bush actually said it. I think you heard what you wanted to hear,
or maybe you been listening to Dan Blather too much.
In his response to the first question of the Tempe debate Bush said it
again.
Would you like to post the quote where Bush claims Kerry said "terrorism
*is* just a nuisance". I see where states, and I quote, "My opponent
just this weekend talked about how terrorism could be reduced to a
nuisance,". Do you see *is* in that statement anywhere? I see you must
be going by Clintion's definition of what "is" is.
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16 Oct 2004 07:57:24 AM |
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"Send Bush Packing" <joe@Idunno.com> wrote in message
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Giulani is the real fool
No, Kerry is.
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16 Oct 2004 08:19:26 AM |
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"Sinclair Grewpe" <FaithHealerKerry@DNCsucks.com> wrote in message
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"Send Bush Packing" <joe@Idunno.com> wrote in message
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Giulani is the real fool
No, Kerry is.
Kerry said it the debate that he wanted to add 2 division in the Army &
double
the number of special forces.
Now Kerry is talking about the draft.
The draft is the only way Kerry can get those additional troops.
Quit drinking his Kool-Aid !
Z
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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16 Oct 2004 06:48:01 AM |
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Sorry, hit the wrong button before replying.
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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16 Oct 2004 06:47:21 AM |
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"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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murray wrote:
"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That
Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would
reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS
just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly
saying
it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
So can you proved a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying
"terrorism
*is* a just a nuisance"?
It is in the realm of common knowledge to those who are willing to hear
and
listened to the news Monday. This is not a research paper requiring
notations.
I listened to the new Monday, I didn't hear Bush quote Kerry as saying
"terrorism *is* just a nuisance". Obviously you can't provide a source
that Bush actually said it. I think you heard what you wanted to hear,
or maybe you been listening to Dan Blather too much.
In his response to the first question of the Tempe debate Bush said it
again.
Would you like to post the quote where Bush claims Kerry said "terrorism
*is* just a nuisance". I see where states, and I quote, "My opponent
just this weekend talked about how terrorism could be reduced to a
nuisance,". Do you see *is* in that statement anywhere? I see you must
be going by Clintion's definition of what "is" is.
Just like your hero Bush on Kerry, you continue to misquote me even though I
have already pointed out that you are doing so.
Look at the original post of what Giuliani said: he referenced several
previous terrorist attacks and then asked if they were 'nuisances'. Kerry
did not say they were nuisances. He said there was a time when terrorism
was just a nuisance and wants to reduce terrorism to that point once again.
Bush makes his statement in a context which clearly implies, like Giuliani,
that Kerry considers current terrorism a nuisance which is simply not true.
My first post in this thread clearly was delineating the difference between
Bush's inferences and what Kerry said.
Just because Bush, like most politicians, is slick enough to avoid an actual
inaccurate statement, his inferences and associations form false overall
impressions. A lot like his associating terrorism and the start of the war
in Iraq.
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| User: "Sir Cumference" |
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16 Oct 2004 12:15:38 PM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
Just like your hero Bush on Kerry, you continue to misquote me even
though I
have already pointed out that you are doing so.
Here is what you posted:
"GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would
reduce terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Notice you state that Bush quoted Kerry as saying terrorism *is* (and
note your emphasis on the word IS) just a nuisance. I ask you to proved
a source for that quote. You can't because Bush never said it.
So where did it misquote you?
Look at the original post of what Giuliani said: he referenced several
previous terrorist attacks and then asked if they were 'nuisances'. Kerry
did not say they were nuisances. He said there was a time when terrorism
was just a nuisance and wants to reduce terrorism to that point once again.
You weren't talking about what Giuliani said, you were quoting Bush, or
rather mis-quoting Bush.
Bush makes his statement in a context which clearly implies, like Giuliani,
that Kerry considers current terrorism a nuisance which is simply not true.
My first post in this thread clearly was delineating the difference between
Bush's inferences and what Kerry said.
Just because Bush, like most politicians, is slick enough to avoid an actual
inaccurate statement, his inferences and associations form false overall
impressions. A lot like his associating terrorism and the start of the war
in Iraq.
And just like your buddy Kerry you avoided the actual statement you made
in which I asked you to proved a source for your misquote where Bush is
supposed to have said that Kerry said terrorism *is* just a nuisance.
You attempted to say he said it in the third debate, but it isn't there,
because Bush never said it.
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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17 Oct 2004 05:44:30 AM |
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"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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C. Pangus wrote:
Just like your hero Bush on Kerry, you continue to misquote me even
though I
have already pointed out that you are doing so.
Here is what you posted:
"GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would
reduce terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Notice you state that Bush quoted Kerry as saying terrorism *is* (and
note your emphasis on the word IS) just a nuisance. I ask you to proved
a source for that quote. You can't because Bush never said it.
So where did it misquote you?
Look at the original post of what Giuliani said: he referenced several
previous terrorist attacks and then asked if they were 'nuisances'.
Kerry
did not say they were nuisances. He said there was a time when
terrorism
was just a nuisance and wants to reduce terrorism to that point once
again.
You weren't talking about what Giuliani said, you were quoting Bush, or
rather mis-quoting Bush.
Bush makes his statement in a context which clearly implies, like
Giuliani,
that Kerry considers current terrorism a nuisance which is simply not
true.
My first post in this thread clearly was delineating the difference
between
Bush's inferences and what Kerry said.
Just because Bush, like most politicians, is slick enough to avoid an
actual
inaccurate statement, his inferences and associations form false overall
impressions. A lot like his associating terrorism and the start of the
war
in Iraq.
And just like your buddy Kerry you avoided the actual statement you made
in which I asked you to proved a source for your misquote where Bush is
supposed to have said that Kerry said terrorism *is* just a nuisance.
You attempted to say he said it in the third debate, but it isn't there,
because Bush never said it.
You are just splitting hairs: The intention of Bush to misconstrue what
Kerry said remains clear.
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| Title: *** Giuliani exposes Karl Rove as a fool and a Murderer |
17 Oct 2004 05:46:28 AM |
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Karl Rove's White House " Murder, Inc."
By Wayne Madsen .
Online Journal Contributing Writer .
OCT, 2004- On September 15, 2001, just four days after the 9-11 attacks,
CIA Director George Tenet provided President [sic] Bush with a Top Secret
"Worldwide Attack Matrix"-a virtual license to kill targets deemed to be a
threat to the United States in some 80 countries around the world. The Tenet
plan, which was subsequently approved by Bush, essentially reversed the
executive orders of four previous U.S. administrations that expressly
prohibited political assassinations.
According to high level European intelligence officials, Bush's counselor,
Karl Rove, used the new presidential authority to silence a popular Lebanese
Christian politician who was planning to offer irrefutable evidence that
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon authorized the massacre of hundreds of
Palestinian men, women, and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Sabra
and Shatilla in 1982. In addition, Sharon provided the Lebanese forces who
carried out the grisly task. At the time of the massacres, Elie Hobeika was
intelligence chief of Lebanese Christian forces in Lebanon who were battling
Palestinians and other Muslim groups in a bloody civil war. He was also the
chief liaison to Israeli Defense Force (IDF) personnel in Lebanon. An
official Israeli inquiry into the massacre at the camps, the Kahan
Commission, merely found Sharon "indirectly" responsible for the slaughter
and fingered Hobeika as the chief instigator.
The Kahan Commission never called on Hobeika to offer testimony in his
defense. However, in response to charges brought against Sharon before a
special war crimes court in Belgium, Hobeika was urged to testify against
Sharon, according to well-informed Lebanese sources. Hobeika was prepared to
offer a different version of events than what was contained in the Kahan
report. A 1993 Belgian law permitting human rights prosecutions was unusual
in that non-Belgians could be tried for violations against other
non-Belgians in a Belgian court. Under pressure from the Bush
administration, the law was severely amended and the extra territoriality
provisions were curtailed.
Hobeika headed the Lebanese forces intelligence agency since the mid- 1970s
and he soon developed close ties to the CIA. He was a frequent visitor to
the CIA's headquarters at Langley, Virginia. After the Syrian invasion of
Lebanon in 1990, Hobeika held a number of cabinet positions in the Lebanese
government, a proxy for the Syrian occupation authorities. He also served in
the parliament. In July 2001, Hobeika called a press conference and
announced he was prepared to testify against Sharon in Belgium and revealed
that he had evidence of what actually occurred in Sabra and Shatilla.
Hobeika also indicated that Israel had flown members of the South Lebanon
Army (SLA) into Beirut International Airport in an Israeli Air Force C130
transport plane. In full view of dozens of witnesses, including members of
the Lebanese army and others, SLA troops under the command of Major Saad
Haddad were slipped into the camps to commit the massacres. The SLA troops
were under the direct command of Ariel Sharon and an Israeli Mossad agent
provocateur named Rafi Eitan. Hobeika offered evidence that a former U.S.
ambassador to Lebanon was aware of the Israeli plot. In addition, the IDF
had placed a camera in a strategic position to film the Sabra and Shatilla
massacres. Hobeika was going to ask that the footage be released as part of
the investigation of Sharon.
After announcing he was willing to testify against Sharon, Hobeika became
fearful for his safety and began moves to leave Lebanon. Hobeika was not
aware that his threats to testify against Sharon had triggered a series of
fateful events that reached well into the White House and Sharon's office.
On January 24, 2002, Hobeika's car was blown up by a remote controlled bomb
placed in a parked Mercedes along a street in the Hazmieh section of Beirut.
The bomb exploded when Hobeika and his three associates, Fares Souweidan,
Mitri Ajram, and Waleed Zein, were driving their Range Rover past the
TNT-laden Mercedes at 9:40 am Beirut time. The Range Rover's four passengers
were killed in the explosion. In case Hobeika's car had taken another route
through the neighborhood, two additional parked cars, located at two other
choke points, were also rigged with TNT. The powerful bomb wounded a number
of other people on the street. Other parked cars were destroyed and
buildings and homes were damaged. The Lebanese president, prime minister,
and interior minister all claimed that Israeli agents were behind the
attack.
It is noteworthy that the State Department's list of global terrorist
incidents for 2002 worldwide failed to list the car bombing attack on
Hobeika and his party. The White House wanted to ensure the attack was
censored from the report. The reason was simple: the attack ultimately had
Washington's fingerprints on it.
High level European intelligence sources now report that Karl Rove
personally coordinated Hobeika's assassination. The hit on Hobeika employed
Syrian intelligence agents. Syrian President Bashar Assad was trying to
curry favor with the Bush administration in the aftermath of 9-11 and was
more than willing to help the White House. In addition, Assad's father,
Hafez Assad, had been an ally of Bush's father during Desert Storm, a period
that saw Washington give a "wink and a nod" to Syria's occupation of
Lebanon. Rove wanted to help Sharon avoid any political embarrassment from
an in absentia trial in Brussels where Hobeika would be a star witness. Rove
and Sharon agreed on the plan to use Syrian Military Intelligence agents to
assassinate Hobeika. Rove saw Sharon as an indispensable ally of Bush in
ensuring the loyalty of the Christian evangelical and Jewish voting blocs in
the United States. Sharon saw the plan to have the United States coordinate
the hit as a way to mask all connections to Jerusalem.
The Syrian hit team was ordered by Assef Shawkat, the number two man in
Syrian military intelligence and a good friend and brother in law of Syrian
President Bashar Assad. Assad's intelligence services had already cooperated
with U.S. intelligence in resorting to unconventional methods to extract
information from al Qaeda detainees deported to Syria from the United States
and other countries in the wake of 9-11. The order to take out Hobeika was
transmitted by Shawkat to Roustom Ghazali, the head of Syrian military
intelligence in Beirut. Ghazali arranged for the three remote controlled
cars to be parked along Hobeika's route in Hazmieh; only few hundred yards
from the Barracks of Syrian Special Forces which are stationed in the area
near the Presidential palace , the ministry of Defense and various
Government and officers quarters . This particular area is covered 24/7 by a
very sophisticated USA multi-agency surveillance system to monitor Syrian
and Lebanese security activities and is a " Choice " area to live in for its
perceived high security .... [Courtesy of the Special Collections Services.]
.... SCS... ; CIA & NSA & DIA....
The plan to kill Hobeika had all the necessary caveats and built-in denial
mechanisms. If the Syrians were discovered beforehand or afterwards, Karl
Rove and his associates in the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans would be
ensured plausible deniability.
Hobeika's CIA intermediary in Beirut, a man only referred to as "Jason" by
Hobeika, was a frequent companion of the Lebanese politician during official
and off-duty hours. During Hobeika's election campaigns for his
parliamentary seat, Jason was often in Hobeika's office offering support and
advice. After Hobeika's assassination, Jason became despondent over the
death of his colleague. Eventually, Jason disappeared abruptly from Lebanon
and reportedly later emerged in Pakistan.
Karl Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika may not have been
the last "hit" he ordered to help out Sharon. In March 2002, a few months
after Hobeika's assassination, another Lebanese Christian with knowledge of
Sharon's involvement in the Sabra and Shatilla massacres was gunned down
along with his wife in Sao Paulo, Brazil. A bullet fired at Michael Nassar's
car flattened one of his tires. Nassar pulled into a gasoline station for
repairs. A professional assassin, firing a gun with a silencer, shot Nassar
and his wife in the head, killing them both instantly. The assailant fled
and was never captured. Nassar was also involved with the Phalange militia
at Sabra and Shatilla. Nassar was also reportedly willing to testify against
Sharon in Belgium and, as a nephew of SLA Commander General Antoine Lahd,
may have had important evidence to bolster Hobeika's charge that Sharon
ordered SLA forces into the camps to wipe out the Palestinians.
Based on what European intelligence claims is concrete intelligence on
Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika, the Bush administration
can now add political assassination to its laundry list of other misdeeds,
from lying about the reasons to go to war to the torture tactics in
violation of the Geneva Conventions that have been employed by the Pentagon
and "third country" nationals at prisons in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.
Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist and
columnist. He served in the National Security Agency (NSA) during the Reagan
administration and wrote the introduction to Forbidden Truth. He is the
co-author, with John Stanton, of "America's Nightmare: The Presidency of
George Bush II." His forthcoming book is titled: "Jaded Tasks: Big Oil,
Black Ops, and Brass Plates." Madsen can be reached at:
WMadsen777@aol.com
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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13 Oct 2004 05:37:20 AM |
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" murray" <murr@aay.commmie> wrote in message
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"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That
Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would
reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS
just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying it
at
campaign appearances
LOL!
Laughing at your own ignorance of current events? Sounds like a Bushite.
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| User: "Sir Cumferenc" |
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13 Oct 2004 12:48:33 PM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying it at
campaign appearances don't ask me to do your research for you.
I watched the news reporst, but I did not hear and have not heard Bush
quote Kerry as saying "terroris *is* just a nuisance." He quoted Kerry
as saying Kerry wants to *reduce* terrorism to where it would be juat a
nuisance.
So I guess you can't provide the quote you claim Bush made.
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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13 Oct 2004 07:13:18 PM |
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"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:XfednZC48Ywb5vHcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Please post a source where Bush quotes Kerry as saying terrorism IS just
a nuisance.
If you didn't watch Monday's news reports of Bush's repeatedly saying it
at
campaign appearances don't ask me to do your research for you.
I watched the news reporst, but I did not hear and have not heard Bush
quote Kerry as saying "terroris *is* just a nuisance." He quoted Kerry
as saying Kerry wants to *reduce* terrorism to where it would be juat a
nuisance.
So I guess you can't provide the quote you claim Bush made.
You misconstrue just as Bush does: I didn't say Bush quoted Kerry. I said
that Bush said that Kerry said terrorism is a nuisance. In fact, my
original post in this thread put a single word in quotes: "nuisance".
I have no intention of going back through all the video tapes of Bush's
Monday appearances. Even if they were available I don't use broadband and
it would take hours. I stand by my memory of what I saw and heard Bush say.
Just as Bush claims not to have said that Saddam was connected to Osama, Al
Quaeda, or 9/11 he constantly associates them in the next sentence as though
there were a direct link. It is standard Bushite MO.
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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12 Oct 2004 06:50:26 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:34:03 GMT, "C. Pangus"
<craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Terrorism involves death & destruction. How could that EVER
be considered a mere nuisance?
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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13 Oct 2004 04:52:34 AM |
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"jimpgh2002" <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:34:03 GMT, "C. Pangus"
<craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Terrorism involves death & destruction. How could that EVER
be considered a mere nuisance?
Traffic accidents cause death and destruction every day: yet most people
travel the roads considering them a "mere nuisance." By the way, "mere" is
your adjective, not mine or Kerry's.
The point is the frequency of attacks and necessity of using combat troops
would be diminished by dealing effectively with the terrorists through
diplomacy with other countries and the UN rather than using US combat troops
to start to create a hell-hole were more terrorists are inspired every day.
The point is that declaring a "generational" war against an entire region of
the world invites more attacks, not fewer.
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| User: "Sinclair Groope" |
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| Title: Re: Giuliani exposes Kerry as a fool |
13 Oct 2004 05:17:31 AM |
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"C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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"jimpgh2002" <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3crom0dfttvri99fj19vm3a4do83fkm3t6@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:34:03 GMT, "C. Pangus"
<craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote:
GW Bush is currently seizing upon a statement of John Kerry and
misconstruing it, as is his usual modus operendi. To wit: That Kerry
said
terrorism IS just a "nuisance" when in fact Kerry said he would reduce
terrorism to the point it once again BECOMES just a "nuisance."
Terrorism involves death & destruction. How could that EVER
be considered a mere nuisance?
Traffic accidents cause death and destruction every day: yet most people
travel the roads considering them a "mere nuisance." By the way, "mere"
is
your adjective, not mine or Kerry's.
The Kerry Kampaign is an absolute joke. Now it's also promising to heal the
sick and raise the dead, if only we will vote Kerry and his ilk into office.
Get real!
"We will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other
debilitating diseases... When John Kerry is president, people like
Christopher Reeve are going get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.",
the slick trial lawyer Edwards promises.
Trial lawyer, heal thyself.
Today's Democrat Party is sick, sick, sick.
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13 Oct 2004 12:51:57 PM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
Traffic accidents cause death and destruction every day: yet most people
travel the roads considering them a "mere nuisance." By the way, "mere" is
your adjective, not mine or Kerry's.
Next time you happen upon a traffic accident where someone is seriously
injured or killed, tell there family not to fret to much as the accident
is only a "nuisance".
I see now why you would vote for "just a nuisance" Kerry.
The point is the frequency of attacks and necessity of using combat troops
would be diminished by dealing effectively with the terrorists through
diplomacy with other countries and the UN rather than using US combat troops
to start to create a hell-hole were more terrorists are inspired every day.
The point is that declaring a "generational" war against an entire region of
the world invites more attacks, not fewer.
So at what point is terrorism reduced to where it is just a "nuisance"?
Is that when we only have one terrorist attack a year? Two? Three? Four?
How many? Would the 53 people killed in the April 1983 terrorist bombing
of the U.S Embassy in Beirut think it was just a "nuisance"? Would the
families of the 270 people killed in the terrorist bombing of the Pan Am
flight over Scotland say it was just a "nuisance"? Would the families of
the 6 people that died in the terrorist bombing of the World Trade
Center in February of 1993 say that was just a "nuisance"? Would the
families of the 17 brave American US Navy sailors aboard the USS Cole
that was hit by a terrorists attack on October 12, 2000 say that was
just a "nuisance"? Would the families of the victims of the WTC 9/11
terrorist attack say it was just a "nuisance"?
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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13 Oct 2004 07:22:00 PM |
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"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:jrWdnal3as0s8PDcRVn-oQ@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
Traffic accidents cause death and destruction every day: yet most people
travel the roads considering them a "mere nuisance." By the way, "mere"
is
your adjective, not mine or Kerry's.
Next time you happen upon a traffic accident where someone is seriously
injured or killed, tell there family not to fret to much as the accident
is only a "nuisance".
And while it wouldn't be a mere nuisance for you if someone punched your
lights out it wouldn't be so much as a nuisance for most people, it would be
nothing at all.
Dragging the relatives of victims into court or public display is a ploy
recognized as intentionally trying to bias rational thought as long ago as
the Romans, and probably before. While modern TV does just that all the
time it is still not accepted in US courts for purposes other than
sentencing.
Obviously, as a Presedential candidate Kerry was speaking of the 'big
picture' of world events. Certainly it is traumatic for the relatives of
victims or terrorism or any other bad event. That does not mean that said
event is significant in the world at large. Kerry is saying that he can
reduce terrorist events to the point that they no longer dominate national
events, but rather are just a few errant looney tunes.
I see now why you would vote for "just a nuisance" Kerry.
The point is the frequency of attacks and necessity of using combat
troops
would be diminished by dealing effectively with the terrorists through
diplomacy with other countries and the UN rather than using US combat
troops
to start to create a hell-hole were more terrorists are inspired every
day.
The point is that declaring a "generational" war against an entire
region of
the world invites more attacks, not fewer.
So at what point is terrorism reduced to where it is just a "nuisance"?
Is that when we only have one terrorist attack a year? Two? Three? Four?
How many? Would the 53 people killed in the April 1983 terrorist bombing
of the U.S Embassy in Beirut think it was just a "nuisance"? Would the
families of the 270 people killed in the terrorist bombing of the Pan Am
flight over Scotland say it was just a "nuisance"? Would the families of
the 6 people that died in the terrorist bombing of the World Trade
Center in February of 1993 say that was just a "nuisance"? Would the
families of the 17 brave American US Navy sailors aboard the USS Cole
that was hit by a terrorists attack on October 12, 2000 say that was
just a "nuisance"? Would the families of the victims of the WTC 9/11
terrorist attack say it was just a "nuisance"?
See above. As for Pan Am, your fool of a hero Bush is currently making
buddies and with the admitted sponsor of that terrorist event, Qaddaffi.
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13 Oct 2004 07:15:31 PM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:jrWdnal3as0s8PDcRVn-oQ@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
Traffic accidents cause death and destruction every day: yet most people
travel the roads considering them a "mere nuisance." By the way, "mere"
is
your adjective, not mine or Kerry's.
Next time you happen upon a traffic accident where someone is seriously
injured or killed, tell there family not to fret to much as the accident
is only a "nuisance".
And while it wouldn't be a mere nuisance for you if someone punched your
lights out it wouldn't be so much as a nuisance for most people, it would be
nothing at all.
Dragging the relatives of victims into court or public display is a ploy
recognized as intentionally trying to bias rational thought as long ago as
the Romans, and probably before. While modern TV does just that all the
time it is still not accepted in US courts for purposes other than
sentencing.
Obviously, as a Presedential candidate Kerry was speaking of the 'big
picture' of world events. Certainly it is traumatic for the relatives of
victims or terrorism or any other bad event. That does not mean that said
event is significant in the world at large. Kerry is saying that he can
reduce terrorist events to the point that they no longer dominate national
events, but rather are just a few errant looney tunes.
Bush's aim is to eliminate terrorism completely. It figures that you
simple minded dummycrat liberals would settle for allowing terrorism to
be just a nuisance, until it happens to you I bet.
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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15 Oct 2004 04:59:14 AM |
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"Sir Cumference" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:MeCdncwJRN0fUfDcRVn-jw@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
"Sir Cumferenc" <me@this.moc> wrote in message
news:jrWdnal3as0s8PDcRVn-oQ@gbronline.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
Traffic accidents cause death and destruction every day: yet most
people
travel the roads considering them a "mere nuisance." By the way,
"mere"
is
your adjective, not mine or Kerry's.
Next time you happen upon a traffic accident where someone is seriously
injured or killed, tell there family not to fret to much as the accident
is only a "nuisance".
And while it wouldn't be a mere nuisance for you if someone punched your
lights out it wouldn't be so much as a nuisance for most people, it
would be
nothing at all.
Dragging the relatives of victims into court or public display is a ploy
recognized as intentionally trying to bias rational thought as long ago
as
the Romans, and probably before. While modern TV does just that all the
time it is still not accepted in US courts for purposes other than
sentencing.
Obviously, as a Presedential candidate Kerry was speaking of the 'big
picture' of world events. Certainly it is traumatic for the relatives
of
victims or terrorism or any other bad event. That does not mean that
said
event is significant in the world at large. Kerry is saying that he can
reduce terrorist events to the point that they no longer dominate
national
events, but rather are just a few errant looney tunes.
Bush's aim is to eliminate terrorism completely. It figures that you
simple minded dummycrat liberals would settle for allowing terrorism to
be just a nuisance, until it happens to you I bet.
Bush has repeatedly said that he doesn't expect to "eliminate" terrorism.
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12 Oct 2004 01:17:07 AM |
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"TR" <TR@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c5Kad.1919$gy1.1158@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
http://www.georgewbush.com/kerrymediacenter/Read.aspx?ID=3883
Monday, October 11, 2004
Remarks by Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani in Conference Call
Today
ARLINGTON, VA - Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani delivered the
following remarks in a Bush-Cheney '04 conference call today:
"For some time, and including when I spoke at the Republican Convention,
I'
ve wondered exactly what John Kerry's approach would be to terrorism and
I'
ve wondered whether he had the conviction, the determination, and the
focus,
and the correct worldview to conduct a successful war against terrorism.
And
his quotations in the New York Times yesterday make it clear that he lacks
that kind of committed view of the world. In fact, his comments are kind
of
extraordinary, particularly since he thinks we used to before September 11
live in a relatively safe world. He says we have to get back to the place
we
were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a
nuisance.
"I'm wondering exactly when Senator Kerry thought they were just a
nuisance.
Maybe when they attacked the USS Cole? Or when they attacked the World
Trade
Center in 1993? Or when they slaughtered the Israeli athletes at the
Munich
Olympics in 1972? Or killed Leon Klinghoffer by throwing him overboard? Or
the innumerable number of terrorist acts that they committed in the 70s,
the
80s and the 90s, leading up to September 11?
"This is so different from the President's view and my own, which is in
those days, when we were fooling ourselves about the danger of terrorism,
we
were actually in the greatest danger. When you don't confront correctly
and
view realistically the danger that you face, that's when you're at the
greatest risk. When you at least realize the danger and you begin to
confront it, then you begin to become safer. And for him to say that in
the
good old days - I'm assuming he means the 90s and the 80s and the 70s --
they were just a nuisance, this really begins to explain a lot of his
inconsistent positions on how to deal with it because he's not defining it
correctly.
"As a former law enforcement person, he says 'I know we're never going to
end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're
going
to reduce it.' This is not illegal gambling; this isn't prostitution.
Having
been a former law enforcement person for a lot longer than John Kerry ever
was, I don't understand his confusion. Even when he says 'organized crime
to
a level where it isn't not on the rise,' it was not the goal of the
Justice
Department to just reduce organized crime. It was the goal of the Justice
Department to eliminate organized crime. Was there some acceptable level
of
organized crime: two families, instead of five, or they can control one
union but not the other?
The idea that you can have an acceptable level of terrorism is
frightening.
How do you explain that to the people who are beheaded or the innocent
people that are killed, that we're going to tolerate a certain acceptable
[level] of terrorism, and that acceptable level will exist and then we'll
stop thinking about it? This is an extraordinary statement. I think it is
not a statement that in any way is ancillary. I think this is the core of
John Kerry's thinking. This does create some consistency in his thinking.
"It is consistent with his views on Vietnam: that we should have left and
abandoned Vietnam. It is consistent with his view of Nicaragua and the
Sandinistas. It is consistent with his view of opposing Ronald Reagan at
every step of the way in the arms buildup that was necessary to destroy
communism. It is consistent with his view of not supporting the Persian
Gulf
War, which was another extraordinary step. Whatever John Kerry's global
test
is, the Persian Gulf War certainly would pass anyone's global test. If it
were up to John Kerry, Saddam Hussein would not only still be in power,
but
he'd still be controlling Kuwait.
"Finally, what he did after the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, where
I
guess at that point terrorism was still just a nuisance. He must have
thought that because that's why he proposed seriously reducing our
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