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"SwiftboatersSinkKerry" |
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05 Aug 2004 09:12:27 AM |
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given the number the Swiftboat vets are now doing on Kerry.... |
John Forbes Kerry decided to make his 4 months of "service" in Vietnam the
centerpiece of his presidential campaign. He felt that made much more sense
than attempting to make his 20 year voting record in the Senate the
centerpiece. So he regaled his audience at his Kerry Konvention with all
sorts of "military hero" posturing, even including a rather dumbassed salute
and a stupid "reporting for duty" childish line in his acceptance speech.
Yet the Democrats faulted the media for not "giving more coverage" to the
Kerry Konvention.
Given the NUMBER that the Swiftboat vets are now doing on Kerry and his
bogus service record, I bet the Democrats are now wishing the media gave
even LESS coverage to the Kerry Konvention and to Kerry's silly acceptance
speech!!
http://www.swiftvets.com/
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| User: "abracadabra" |
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| Title: Re: given the number the Swiftboat vets are now doing on Kerry.... |
05 Aug 2004 10:50:33 AM |
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"SwiftboatersSinkKerry" <TossHimARope@dem.com> wrote in message
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John Forbes Kerry decided to make his 4 months of "service"
Hmmm - he earned a bronze star, a silver star and three purple hearts while
fighting for his country
Where was Bush during the war Bush supported?
LOL
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| User: "Highway66" |
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| Title: Re: given the number the Swiftboat vets are now doing on Kerry.... |
05 Aug 2004 01:37:33 PM |
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"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"SwiftboatersSinkKerry" <TossHimARope@dem.com> wrote in message
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John Forbes Kerry decided to make his 4 months of "service"
Hmmm - he earned a bronze star, a silver star and three purple hearts
while
fighting for his country
Where was Bush during the war Bush supported?
LOL
Since when are self-inflicted wounds considered "earning" purple hearts?
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| User: "abracadabra" |
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| Title: Re: given the number the Swiftboat vets are now doing on Kerry.... |
05 Aug 2004 03:21:34 PM |
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"Highway66" <us_highwayNOSPAM_66@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"SwiftboatersSinkKerry" <TossHimARope@dem.com> wrote in message
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John Forbes Kerry decided to make his 4 months of "service"
Hmmm - he earned a bronze star, a silver star and three purple hearts
while
fighting for his country
Where was Bush during the war Bush supported?
LOL
Since when are self-inflicted wounds considered "earning" purple hearts?
ROTFLOL
Their were no "self inflicted wounds" - it's not like Kerry can put himself
up for medals!
LOL
But thinks for reminding everybody that Kerry is batter tested, while when
Bush heard America was under attack he panicked, he froze, he went into
shellshock stared straight ahead for 7 minutes while Americans burned
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: given the number the Swiftboat vets are now doing on Kerry.... |
05 Aug 2004 09:36:26 AM |
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"SwiftboatersSinkKerry" <TossHimARope@dem.com> wrote in message
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John Forbes Kerry decided to make his 4 months of "service" in Vietnam the
centerpiece of his presidential campaign. He felt that made much more
sense
than attempting to make his 20 year voting record in the Senate the
centerpiece. So he regaled his audience at his Kerry Konvention with all
sorts of "military hero" posturing, even including a rather dumbassed
salute
and a stupid "reporting for duty" childish line in his acceptance speech.
Yet the Democrats faulted the media for not "giving more coverage" to the
Kerry Konvention.
Given the NUMBER that the Swiftboat vets are now doing on Kerry and his
bogus service record, I bet the Democrats are now wishing the media gave
even LESS coverage to the Kerry Konvention and to Kerry's silly acceptance
speech!!
http://www.swiftvets.com/
From
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth
* On May 17, 2004, Matt Gunn shares a segment from Joe Conason's recent
registration-required Salon "uncovering" of "yet more 'Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth' Republican ties, as if there weren't enough on record already"
[Gunn comments]:
"When the 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' launched its campaign against
John Kerry 10 days ago, leadership and guidance were provided by Republican
activists and presidential friends from Texas -- notably Houston attorney
John E. O'Neill and corporate media consultant Merrie Spaeth.
"On closer inspection, the ostensibly nonpartisan 'Swift Boat Vets' seem
to have another pair of significant sponsors with deep and long-standing
Republican connections in Missouri. Both are officers of Gannon
International, a St. Louis conglomerate that does lots of overseas business
in, of all places, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
"Ties to Gannon can be traced via the Swift Boat Vets Web site ... On
April 14, the site was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, Gannon's
information technology manager, at 11301 Olive Boulevard in St. Louis, the
firm's headquarters address. Although Waterman wouldn't discuss why he had
set up the Web site, he didn't deny that his boss, Gannon president and CEO
William Franke, had asked him to do so.
"'The information about my client is confidential,' said Waterman. He
acknowledged knowing, however, that his boss Franke is a Navy veteran who
served in Vietnam on swift boats. Gannon vice president Stephen D. Hayes,
who oversees the company's office in Alexandria, Va., is likewise a swift
boat veteran who first met Franke when they served together in the Mekong
Delta."
"What is most intriguing about Franke, Hayes, and Gannon -- especially
in light of their apparent role in the campaign against John Kerry -- are
their strong commercial interests in Southeast Asia. While Gannon is a
highly diversified holding company whose divisions range from real estate in
Florida and Missouri to Internet technology and software, it maintains an
unusual presence in Vietnam, with offices in both Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh
City. Indeed, Gannon has operated in that country's tourism, real estate and
import-export sectors for a decade. (The target market for its tours was
fellow Vietnam veterans.)
"None of Gannon's profitable activities in the communist republic would
be possible, of course, without the approval of the Hanoi government, which
Franke has described as 'strong' and 'stable.' Nor would Gannon be
conducting business in Vietnam without the Clinton administration diplomacy,
assisted by Sen. Kerry, that established diplomatic and trade ties with the
United States in 1994. Franke first began traveling to Vietnam on behalf of
Operation Smile, an American charity that provides plastic surgery to
children abroad. The relationships he established during those humanitarian
missions provided a considerable advantage in doing business under
government auspices.
"It was also during those early visits to Vietnam, as he told the St.
Louis Post-Dispatch, that Franke reached a clearer understanding of the war
he had once fought as a young Navy lieutenant.
"'As I looked back 20 years, I saw that it was a very imperial
relationship we had with these people,' said Franke in 1989. 'We were young.
We were there because we were told to be there and that they were the enemy.
This time I saw them as human beings who had fears and hopes the same as
we.'
"Yet he evidently cannot forgive John Kerry for reaching the same
conclusion about that war and its victims, so many years before he finally
did."
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| User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: given the number the Swiftboat vets are now doing on Kerry.... |
05 Aug 2004 05:59:47 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:12:27 GMT, "SwiftboatersSinkKerry"
<TossHimARope@dem.com> wrote:
John Forbes Kerry decided to make his 4 months of "service" in Vietnam the
centerpiece of his presidential campaign. He felt that made much more sense
than attempting to make his 20 year voting record in the Senate the
centerpiece. So he regaled his audience at his Kerry Konvention with all
sorts of "military hero" posturing, even including a rather dumbassed salute
and a stupid "reporting for duty" childish line in his acceptance speech.
Yet the Democrats faulted the media for not "giving more coverage" to the
Kerry Konvention.
Given the NUMBER that the Swiftboat vets are now doing on Kerry
McCain says they are dishonest and dishonorable. The WH has condemned
them. Carl Cameron of Fox News has reported that many of their claims
are clearly refuted by public records.
THe Kerry campaign has issued a 36 page rebuttal which includes an
explanation of their ties to Bush and Rove. The head of the group, Mr
O'reill, for instance, is the law partner of Bush's Texas lawyer.
Would Mr O'neil shade his memories just because his law firm's client
is George W Bush? No, of course not. A lawyer would never shade the
truth for his client, would he?
From today's Washington Times, for instance
Kerry campaign's quick response to Swift boat vets
By Marie Horrigan
UPI Deputy Americas Editor
Washington, DC, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The campaign for Democratic Party
presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts issued an
exhaustively researched and extensively sourced 36-page refutation
Thursday of allegations Kerry lied about events during his service in
Vietnam, including how and why he received medals, and had fled the
scene of a battle.
The document outlined extensive connections between the group levying
the charges, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and high-ranking
Republicans, including presidential adviser Karl Rove, and said the
allegations were part of a right-wing effort to smear Kerry.
The release came less than a day after Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
launched a three-state advertising campaign that questions Kerry's
character and fitness based on members' personal knowledge of his
military performance.
In a series of sworn affidavits obtained by United Press
International, members of the group charged Kerry lied about events
that led to his receiving a Bronze Star and Purple Heart. They said
Kerry fled the scene of battle leaving behind several other boats, one
of which was disabled, and recommended himself for commendation under
false pretenses.
The Kerry campaign's document outlines connections between the group's
top funders and President Bush and Rove, as well as contradictory
statements by some of the people offering testimony on behalf of the
group.
"Far from being a grass-roots organization of veterans, this group is
a front for the right-wing Texas Republicans to try and take away one
of John Kerry's political strengths -- his service to the country in
Vietnam," the document said.
In an effort to impugn Kerry's record, the group has made "ridiculous
claims such as: Kerry's wounds were self-inflicted, Kerry never
received enemy fire on the day he saved Jim Rassmann's life, and Kerry
was not a good commander.
"Needless to say, all of these are false, and they have been
contradicted by official Navy documents, eyewitness accounts,
independent investigations and, in some cases, by the very same people
who are now making these claims."
The document focuses on three people -- Houston developer Bob Perry,
media consultant Merrie Spaeth and Dallas real-estate magnate Harlan
Crow -- who are connected to the group as well as to Republicans
causes.
Perry, who has donated two-thirds of the group's funding, is described
as the largest political donor in Texas. The document reports he has
donated $5 million over the past three years to Republicans and
conservative causes, including more than $130,000 to Bush family
campaigns. Perry also has worked numerous times with Rove to elect
Texas Republicans, the document said.
The document described Spaeth as closely tied to Bush. According to
the document, Spaeth was a spokeswoman for Bush's 2000 smear campaign
against Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., then his opponent for the party's
nomination. Crow, the document said, is a steady GOP fundraiser and
trustee to the "George Bush Foundation."
It also refutes specific allegations and testimony against Kerry,
including allegations by one of Kerry's commanding officers, Grant
Hibbard, that he was not engaged in combat and had minor wounds when
he put in for a Purple Heart. However, Hibbard's action report after
the incident indicated he had not observed any significant weaknesses
and in fact gave Kerry the highest ratings in three categories.
Another commanding, George Elliott, also has come out against Kerry
but had described him as "unsurpassed" as a Swift boat commander in a
1969 report.
Dr. Louis Letson claims to have treated Kerry after the firefight and
described his wounds as very superficial, but the campaign's document
says Letson has no evidence to prove he treated Kerry.
Besides the document, the campaign also offered quotes from some of
Kerry's veteran supporters, who have been central to his campaigning.
"These assertions are garbage. These people weren't there with John
Kerry. If he hadn't made the right command decisions, in my opinion,
we would be some of the names on that wall," Gene Thorson, one of
Kerry's crewmates, said in comments provided by the campaign.
Jim Rassmann, a former Special Operations officer Kerry said he saved
during a firefight, disputed the group's allegations there had been no
enemy fire.
"That's a pure fabrication. ... The fire was strong enough to knock
out Tommy Belodeau's machine gun. ... I was in the middle of the
firefight," Rassmann said.
Rassmann also denied allegations he was just one of many people in the
water during the action. "There was one person in the water that day,
and that was me. Anyone who is telling you otherwise is giving you a
lie," he said in those same comments.
Campaign spokesman Chad Clanton told UPI the group's charges were
"patently false."
"This crowd clearly has a partisan political agenda," he said. "You
know, it's not surprising they have close ties to the Bush White House
and that they're funded by some of Bush's top donors in Texas.
"The bottom line is, John Kerry risked his life to save the lives of
others," he said. "He volunteered to serve his country, he put his
life on the line in the battlefield. And, you know, it's pretty
disgusting the way some people are trying to tear down his military
record.
"You've got to wonder what political goals they have in mind. You've
got to wonder who's behind them," he said.
The campaign's document directly addresses that question. Its final
page -- headlined "Who Could Be Organizing These False, Negative
Attacks on John Kerry?" -- features a picture of Bush with his arm
around Rove.
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http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040805-012143-5349r.htm
and his
bogus service record, I bet the Democrats are now wishing the media gave
even LESS coverage to the Kerry Konvention and to Kerry's silly acceptance
speech!!
http://www.swiftvets.com/
Includes the same people who smeared McCain.
Remember the McCain has a ***** baby story they put out in the South
Caroline primary?
It's that group.
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| User: "FSIA" |
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05 Aug 2004 10:14:58 AM |
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SwiftboatersSinkKerry writes...
http://www.swiftvets.com/
Article portion:
The Kerry campaign has denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth,
saying none of the men in the ad served on the boat that Kerry commanded.
The leader of the group, retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, said none of the 13
veterans in the commercial served on Kerry's boat but rather were in
other swiftboats within 50 yards of Kerry's.
Jim Rassmann, an Army veteran who was saved by Kerry, said there were
only six crewmates who served with Kerry on his boat. Five support his
candidacy and one is deceased.
http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20040805/D84947K00.html
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