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User: "Captain Compassion"
Date: 21 Jul 2007 09:42:15 AM
Object: Global warming in 1907
Global warming in 1907
Posted: July 21, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56770
It is widely agreed that the global mean temperature has increased .07
degree C. over the last century. It is also widely agreed that carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere has increased from about 280 parts per
million, or ppm, to nearly 380. And there is general agreement that at
least some, if not most, of the increase in atmospheric carbon is the
result of humans burning fossil fuels. Here's where the agreement
ends.
One side – Al Gore and the global warming doomsayers – contend the
warming is the result of the increase in carbon dioxide. The other
side contends the warming is consistent with past natural climate
variations and that the human-caused increase in atmospheric carbon
has little or nothing to do with the increase in global temperature.
Now suppose Al Gore lived a hundred years ago, with Nancy Pelosi and
Harry Reid in control of Congress, and any one of the current Democrat
candidates in the White House. Had all this collected genius lived in
1907, they would have, no doubt, convinced the nation that growth in
atmospheric carbon dioxide had to be stopped to prevent Florida and
half of New York from being flooded by a 20-foot sea-level rise.
Suppose they had succeeded in enacting legislation to virtually stop
the growth in CO2 in the atmosphere.
Consider carefully what this means: no increase in human-caused carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere. This means no new automobile could be put
into use unless an existing automobile was junked. No new airplanes at
all. "In 1907, only 8 percent of all dwellings were using
electricity," and to keep the atmospheric carbon dioxide at 280 ppm,
there could be no new coal or petroleum-burning electricity generating
facilities.
Public transportation could not expand. Nashville's transportation
system suggests how difficult public transportation was in 1907. No
Greyhound buses – ever. No new trains, unless an existing train was
taken out of service. No air travel at all.
In 1907, the Ford Motor Company had been in business for four years
and had sold fewer than 10,000 cars to the 87 million people in the
U.S. The revolutionary Model T was not introduced until 1908, but
remember, no new cars could be put into service unless an existing car
was taken out of service: no increase in carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere. In 1907, the GDP was $34 billion and the per capita GDP
was $391, about half the cost of a new Ford.
There could be no new factories, except to replace existing
carbon-spewing factories. Neither plastic nor refrigeration would have
been available, so they would never have known what they were missing.
Life expectancy was 47.6 years.
The people who lived in 1907 had a wonderful life compared with prior
generations. Why would they hesitate to stop growth by limiting energy
use to current levels, in order to save the planet from catastrophe?
After all, the collective wisdom of the nation's leaders and the
scientific community all agreed that the science was settled, and
disaster would befall the planet unless they held carbon dioxide in
the atmosphere at 280 ppm.
Today's collective wisdom of the nation's leaders want not simply to
stop the increase of carbon in the atmosphere, but to actually reduce
it to levels that existed before 1990. This would require a rollback
of energy use of as much as 60 percent, according to some estimates.
Using the value of a dollar in 2000 as a basis, per capita GDP in 1907
was $5,649, compared to $37,232 in 2005. This means that even with
population expanding from 87 million to nearly 300 million over the
period, the per capita GDP increased $4,512 every time the global mean
temperature increased one-tenth of one degree.
Had our current collection of national leaders been in power in 1907,
they could have spared us this horrible fate. Ninety-two percent of
the nation's households and buildings would not be puffing carbon
dioxide into the atmosphere, because they would not be using any
electricity.
There would certainly be no traffic problems in any of our cities,
except, perhaps, dodging the exhaust from the two-and-four
real-horsepower conveyances.
On the other hand, some of us think that, even if humans caused every
bit of the .07-degree increase in temperature (which they didn't), it
was a very small price to pay for the magnificent progress that has
been made since 1907. Some of us are happy that by 2001, life
expectancy increased to 77.2. Some of us are thankful that the current
crop of collective Washington leaders did not live in 1907. It is too
bad these people are now in a position to inflict their short-sighted
ignorance on our children and future generations.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.

User: "Roger"

Title: Re: Global warming in 1907 21 Jul 2007 04:59:30 PM
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:td64a3d9ie2575rvm04go6h6qvukfatg9f@4ax.com...

Global warming in 1907
Posted: July 21, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Author's name not included.
Of course not.
From http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=82
Henry Lamb
Executive Vice President
ECO is closely associated with the WIse Use movement and more recently with
the anti-UN crowd, including the John Birch Society and other far right
conspiracy groups.
The Environmental Conservation Organization (ECO) is an outgrowth of the
Land Improvement Contractors Association, developed in 1988 as a "strategy
to protect private property rights from erosion by excessive environmental
regulations." ECO was properly chartered in 1990 as a 501(c)(4)
organization. Through the 1990s, ECO organized a "wise use" network of more
than 500 groups. ECO produces the ECO-Logic newsletter, which highlights UN
sponsored environmental programs and other property rights issues, including
global warming and federal environmental programs/regulations. When the EPA
submitted its 2002 Climate Action Report to the United Nations, many saw it
as an indication that the Bush Administration was beginning to accept
reality on global warming. Henry Lamb of ECO however, maintained that the
Bush administration's policy on climate change "has not flip-flopped" and
blamed the media,"fanned by a few environmental extremists," for the
allegedly misleading slant on the story. Lamb ended by calling release of
the report "a screw up" and suggested Bush should get a better grip on his
underlings. (World Net Daily, June 8, 2002)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56770

It is widely agreed that the global mean temperature has increased .07
degree C. over the last century. It is also widely agreed that carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere has increased from about 280 parts per
million, or ppm, to nearly 380. And there is general agreement that at
least some, if not most, of the increase in atmospheric carbon is the
result of humans burning fossil fuels. Here's where the agreement
ends.

One side - Al Gore and the global warming doomsayers - contend the
warming is the result of the increase in carbon dioxide. The other
side contends the warming is consistent with past natural climate
variations and that the human-caused increase in atmospheric carbon
has little or nothing to do with the increase in global temperature.

Now suppose Al Gore lived a hundred years ago, with Nancy Pelosi and
Harry Reid in control of Congress, and any one of the current Democrat
candidates in the White House. Had all this collected genius lived in
1907, they would have, no doubt, convinced the nation that growth in
atmospheric carbon dioxide had to be stopped to prevent Florida and
half of New York from being flooded by a 20-foot sea-level rise.
Suppose they had succeeded in enacting legislation to virtually stop
the growth in CO2 in the atmosphere.

Consider carefully what this means: no increase in human-caused carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere. This means no new automobile could be put
into use unless an existing automobile was junked. No new airplanes at
all. "In 1907, only 8 percent of all dwellings were using
electricity," and to keep the atmospheric carbon dioxide at 280 ppm,
there could be no new coal or petroleum-burning electricity generating
facilities.

Public transportation could not expand. Nashville's transportation
system suggests how difficult public transportation was in 1907. No
Greyhound buses - ever. No new trains, unless an existing train was
taken out of service. No air travel at all.

In 1907, the Ford Motor Company had been in business for four years
and had sold fewer than 10,000 cars to the 87 million people in the
U.S. The revolutionary Model T was not introduced until 1908, but
remember, no new cars could be put into service unless an existing car
was taken out of service: no increase in carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere. In 1907, the GDP was $34 billion and the per capita GDP
was $391, about half the cost of a new Ford.

There could be no new factories, except to replace existing
carbon-spewing factories. Neither plastic nor refrigeration would have
been available, so they would never have known what they were missing.
Life expectancy was 47.6 years.

The people who lived in 1907 had a wonderful life compared with prior
generations. Why would they hesitate to stop growth by limiting energy
use to current levels, in order to save the planet from catastrophe?
After all, the collective wisdom of the nation's leaders and the
scientific community all agreed that the science was settled, and
disaster would befall the planet unless they held carbon dioxide in
the atmosphere at 280 ppm.

Today's collective wisdom of the nation's leaders want not simply to
stop the increase of carbon in the atmosphere, but to actually reduce
it to levels that existed before 1990. This would require a rollback
of energy use of as much as 60 percent, according to some estimates.

Using the value of a dollar in 2000 as a basis, per capita GDP in 1907
was $5,649, compared to $37,232 in 2005. This means that even with
population expanding from 87 million to nearly 300 million over the
period, the per capita GDP increased $4,512 every time the global mean
temperature increased one-tenth of one degree.

Had our current collection of national leaders been in power in 1907,
they could have spared us this horrible fate. Ninety-two percent of
the nation's households and buildings would not be puffing carbon
dioxide into the atmosphere, because they would not be using any
electricity.

There would certainly be no traffic problems in any of our cities,
except, perhaps, dodging the exhaust from the two-and-four
real-horsepower conveyances.

On the other hand, some of us think that, even if humans caused every
bit of the .07-degree increase in temperature (which they didn't), it
was a very small price to pay for the magnificent progress that has
been made since 1907. Some of us are happy that by 2001, life
expectancy increased to 77.2. Some of us are thankful that the current
crop of collective Washington leaders did not live in 1907. It is too
bad these people are now in a position to inflict their short-sighted
ignorance on our children and future generations.

--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net

.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Global warming in 1907 21 Jul 2007 06:45:24 PM
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:59:30 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:


"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:td64a3d9ie2575rvm04go6h6qvukfatg9f@4ax.com...

Global warming in 1907
Posted: July 21, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


Author's name not included.

Of course not.

From http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=82

Henry Lamb
Executive Vice President

Name not included eh? How did you get it?


ECO is closely associated with the WIse Use movement and more recently with
the anti-UN crowd, including the John Birch Society and other far right
conspiracy groups.

The Environmental Conservation Organization (ECO) is an outgrowth of the
Land Improvement Contractors Association, developed in 1988 as a "strategy
to protect private property rights from erosion by excessive environmental
regulations." ECO was properly chartered in 1990 as a 501(c)(4)
organization. Through the 1990s, ECO organized a "wise use" network of more
than 500 groups. ECO produces the ECO-Logic newsletter, which highlights UN
sponsored environmental programs and other property rights issues, including
global warming and federal environmental programs/regulations. When the EPA
submitted its 2002 Climate Action Report to the United Nations, many saw it
as an indication that the Bush Administration was beginning to accept
reality on global warming. Henry Lamb of ECO however, maintained that the
Bush administration's policy on climate change "has not flip-flopped" and
blamed the media,"fanned by a few environmental extremists," for the
allegedly misleading slant on the story. Lamb ended by calling release of
the report "a screw up" and suggested Bush should get a better grip on his
underlings. (World Net Daily, June 8, 2002)


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56770

It is widely agreed that the global mean temperature has increased .07
degree C. over the last century. It is also widely agreed that carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere has increased from about 280 parts per
million, or ppm, to nearly 380. And there is general agreement that at
least some, if not most, of the increase in atmospheric carbon is the
result of humans burning fossil fuels. Here's where the agreement
ends.

One side - Al Gore and the global warming doomsayers - contend the
warming is the result of the increase in carbon dioxide. The other
side contends the warming is consistent with past natural climate
variations and that the human-caused increase in atmospheric carbon
has little or nothing to do with the increase in global temperature.

Now suppose Al Gore lived a hundred years ago, with Nancy Pelosi and
Harry Reid in control of Congress, and any one of the current Democrat
candidates in the White House. Had all this collected genius lived in
1907, they would have, no doubt, convinced the nation that growth in
atmospheric carbon dioxide had to be stopped to prevent Florida and
half of New York from being flooded by a 20-foot sea-level rise.
Suppose they had succeeded in enacting legislation to virtually stop
the growth in CO2 in the atmosphere.

Consider carefully what this means: no increase in human-caused carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere. This means no new automobile could be put
into use unless an existing automobile was junked. No new airplanes at
all. "In 1907, only 8 percent of all dwellings were using
electricity," and to keep the atmospheric carbon dioxide at 280 ppm,
there could be no new coal or petroleum-burning electricity generating
facilities.

Public transportation could not expand. Nashville's transportation
system suggests how difficult public transportation was in 1907. No
Greyhound buses - ever. No new trains, unless an existing train was
taken out of service. No air travel at all.

In 1907, the Ford Motor Company had been in business for four years
and had sold fewer than 10,000 cars to the 87 million people in the
U.S. The revolutionary Model T was not introduced until 1908, but
remember, no new cars could be put into service unless an existing car
was taken out of service: no increase in carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere. In 1907, the GDP was $34 billion and the per capita GDP
was $391, about half the cost of a new Ford.

There could be no new factories, except to replace existing
carbon-spewing factories. Neither plastic nor refrigeration would have
been available, so they would never have known what they were missing.
Life expectancy was 47.6 years.

The people who lived in 1907 had a wonderful life compared with prior
generations. Why would they hesitate to stop growth by limiting energy
use to current levels, in order to save the planet from catastrophe?
After all, the collective wisdom of the nation's leaders and the
scientific community all agreed that the science was settled, and
disaster would befall the planet unless they held carbon dioxide in
the atmosphere at 280 ppm.

Today's collective wisdom of the nation's leaders want not simply to
stop the increase of carbon in the atmosphere, but to actually reduce
it to levels that existed before 1990. This would require a rollback
of energy use of as much as 60 percent, according to some estimates.

Using the value of a dollar in 2000 as a basis, per capita GDP in 1907
was $5,649, compared to $37,232 in 2005. This means that even with
population expanding from 87 million to nearly 300 million over the
period, the per capita GDP increased $4,512 every time the global mean
temperature increased one-tenth of one degree.

Had our current collection of national leaders been in power in 1907,
they could have spared us this horrible fate. Ninety-two percent of
the nation's households and buildings would not be puffing carbon
dioxide into the atmosphere, because they would not be using any
electricity.

There would certainly be no traffic problems in any of our cities,
except, perhaps, dodging the exhaust from the two-and-four
real-horsepower conveyances.

On the other hand, some of us think that, even if humans caused every
bit of the .07-degree increase in temperature (which they didn't), it
was a very small price to pay for the magnificent progress that has
been made since 1907. Some of us are happy that by 2001, life
expectancy increased to 77.2. Some of us are thankful that the current
crop of collective Washington leaders did not live in 1907. It is too
bad these people are now in a position to inflict their short-sighted
ignorance on our children and future generations.

--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net


--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.



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