On Feb 7, 7:57 am, "JakDeHammer" <JakDeHam...@aol.com> wrote:

On Feb 7, 5:38?am, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:

CGFI is part of the Hudson Institute.

That's ok........Research is STILL Research and Facts are STILL Facts
regardless of who publishes them.

Then why do you discount all research tha supports the majority
opinion on the causes of global warming?

"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 05:38:01 -0800, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:

CGFI is part of the Hudson Institute.

See if you can find your favorite right-wing hate, *****, and lies group
in this list of their funders:

From http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute

Funding
Between 1987 and 2003, the Institute received 237 grants totalling
$14,924,193 from a range of foundations including:[4]

Questions.

1. Of the general warming sense 1850 what % occurred before 1940.
2. What caused the other warming during the last 1 million years?
3. Can cosmic rays and solar radiation have the ability to effect
climate?

Maybe Al Gore can help you with the answers.

Why not ask someone who's qualified to answer.

There are THOUSANDS of climate scientists available.

You treat this like it's a POLITICAL problem. It's not. It's SCIENTIFIC
IGNORANCE.

Learn the SCIENCE. Don't confuse the two.

Castle Rock Foundation
Earhart Foundation
F.M. Kirby Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
JM Foundation
Koch Family Foundations (David H. Koch Foundation)
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
Samuel Roberts Noble Foundation
Scaife Foundations (Scaife Family, Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)
Shelby Cullom Davis Foundation
Smith Richardson Foundation
Walton Family Foundation
William H. Donner Foundation



"JimmyD®" <Don'tBlameMe@IVotedRepublican.com> wrote in message
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Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural, Moderate
Tuesday January 30, 2007

Two powerful new books say today's global warming is due not to human
activity but primarily to a long, moderate solar-linked cycle. Unstoppable
Global Warming Every 1500 Years, by physicist Fred Singer and economist
Dennis Avery was released just before Christmas. The Chilling Stars: A
New Theory of Climate Change, by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
former BBC science writer Nigel Calder (Icon Books), is due out in March.

Singer and Avery note that most of the earth's recent warming occurred
before 1940, and thus before much human-emitted CO2. Moreover, physical
evidence shows 600 moderate warmings in the earth's last million years.
The evidence ranges from ancient Nile flood records, Chinese court
documents and Roman wine grapes to modern spectral analysis of polar ice
cores, deep seabed sediments, and layered cave stalagmites.

Unstoppable Global Warming shows the earth's temperatures following
variations in solar intensity through centuries of sunspot records, and
finds cycles of sun-linked isotopes in ice and tree rings. The book cites
the work of Svensmark, who says cosmic rays vary the earth's temperatures
by creating more or fewer of the low, wet clouds that cool the earth. It
notes that global climate models can't accurately register cloud effects.

The Chilling Stars relates how Svensmark's team mimicked the chemistry of
earth's atmosphere, by putting realistic mixtures of atmospheric gases
into a large reaction chamber, with ultraviolet light as a stand-in for
the sun. When they turned on the UV, microscopic droplets-cloud
seeds-started floating through the chamber.

"We were amazed by the speed and efficiency with which the electrons
[generated by cosmic rays] do their work of creating the building blocks
for the cloud condensation nuclei," says Svensmark.

The Chilling Stars documents how cosmic rays amplify small changes in the
sun's irradiance fourfold, creating 1-2 degree C cycles in earth's
temperatures: Cosmic rays continually slam into the earth's atmosphere
from outer space, creating ion clusters that become seeds for small
droplets of water and sulfuric acid. The droplets then form the low, wet
clouds that reflect solar energy back into space. When the sun is more
active, it shields the earth from some of the rays, clouds wane, and the
planet warms.

Unstoppable Global Warming documents the reality of a moderate, natural,
1500-year climate cycle on the earth. The Chilling Stars explains the why
and how.

http://www.cgfi.org/cgficommentary/two-new-books-confirm-global-warming-is-natural-moderate

may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.


"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 05:38:01 -0800, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:

CGFI is part of the Hudson Institute.

See if you can find your favorite right-wing hate, *****, and lies
group
in this list of their funders:

From http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute

Funding
Between 1987 and 2003, the Institute received 237 grants totalling
$14,924,193 from a range of foundations including:[4]

Questions.

1. Of the general warming sense 1850 what % occurred before 1940.
2. What caused the other warming during the last 1 million years?
3. Can cosmic rays and solar radiation have the ability to effect
climate?

Maybe Al Gore can help you with the answers.

Why not ask someone who's qualified to answer.

There are THOUSANDS of climate scientists available.

You treat this like it's a POLITICAL problem. It's not. It's SCIENTIFIC
IGNORANCE.

Learn the SCIENCE. Don't confuse the two.

Castle Rock Foundation
Earhart Foundation
F.M. Kirby Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
JM Foundation
Koch Family Foundations (David H. Koch Foundation)
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
Samuel Roberts Noble Foundation
Scaife Foundations (Scaife Family, Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)
Shelby Cullom Davis Foundation
Smith Richardson Foundation
Walton Family Foundation
William H. Donner Foundation



"JimmyD®" <Don'tBlameMe@IVotedRepublican.com> wrote in message
news:WsednYBST6_KWFTYnZ2dnUVZ_q6vnZ2d@comcast.com...

Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural, Moderate
Tuesday January 30, 2007

Two powerful new books say today's global warming is due not to human
activity but primarily to a long, moderate solar-linked cycle.
Unstoppable
Global Warming Every 1500 Years, by physicist Fred Singer and economist
Dennis Avery was released just before Christmas. The Chilling Stars: A
New Theory of Climate Change, by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
former BBC science writer Nigel Calder (Icon Books), is due out in
March.

Singer and Avery note that most of the earth's recent warming occurred
before 1940, and thus before much human-emitted CO2. Moreover, physical
evidence shows 600 moderate warmings in the earth's last million years.
The evidence ranges from ancient Nile flood records, Chinese court
documents and Roman wine grapes to modern spectral analysis of polar ice
cores, deep seabed sediments, and layered cave stalagmites.

Unstoppable Global Warming shows the earth's temperatures following
variations in solar intensity through centuries of sunspot records, and
finds cycles of sun-linked isotopes in ice and tree rings. The book
cites
the work of Svensmark, who says cosmic rays vary the earth's
temperatures
by creating more or fewer of the low, wet clouds that cool the earth. It
notes that global climate models can't accurately register cloud
effects.

The Chilling Stars relates how Svensmark's team mimicked the chemistry
of
earth's atmosphere, by putting realistic mixtures of atmospheric gases
into a large reaction chamber, with ultraviolet light as a stand-in for
the sun. When they turned on the UV, microscopic droplets-cloud
seeds-started floating through the chamber.

"We were amazed by the speed and efficiency with which the electrons
[generated by cosmic rays] do their work of creating the building blocks
for the cloud condensation nuclei," says Svensmark.

The Chilling Stars documents how cosmic rays amplify small changes in
the
sun's irradiance fourfold, creating 1-2 degree C cycles in earth's
temperatures: Cosmic rays continually slam into the earth's atmosphere
from outer space, creating ion clusters that become seeds for small
droplets of water and sulfuric acid. The droplets then form the low, wet
clouds that reflect solar energy back into space. When the sun is more
active, it shields the earth from some of the rays, clouds wane, and the
planet warms.

Unstoppable Global Warming documents the reality of a moderate, natural,
1500-year climate cycle on the earth. The Chilling Stars explains the
why
and how.

http://www.cgfi.org/cgficommentary/two-new-books-confirm-global-warming-is-natural-moderate

--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.


"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

JimmyD® wrote:

Balanced View wrote:

JimmyD® wrote:

Singer and Avery note that most of the earth’s recent warming
occurred before 1940, and thus before much human-emitted CO2.
Moreover, physical

Wrong right out of the gate, coal was being burned at a furious rate
during the industrial revolution, it ran the entire economy. Cities
like London had smog so thick at times only the blind could find
their way around.

You better turn off your furnace then to stop that co2.

What has that have to do with Singer & Avery making an obvious error?
Nothing