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Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predictions' |
Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predictions'
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 03 June 2007
http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2609305.ece
Global warming is accelerating three times more quickly than feared, a
series of startling, authoritative studies has revealed.
They have found that emissions of carbon dioxide have been rising at
thrice the rate in the 1990s. The Arctic ice cap is melting three
times as fast - and the seas are rising twice as rapidly - as had been
predicted.
News of the studies - which are bound to lead to calls for even
tougher anti-pollution measures than have yet been contemplated -
comes as the leaders of the world's most powerful nations prepare for
the most crucial meeting yet on tackling climate change.
The issue will be top of the agenda of the G8 summit which opens in
the German Baltic resort of Heiligendamm on Wednesday, placing
unprecedented pressure on President George Bush finally to agree to
international measures.
Tony Blair flies to Berlin today to prepare for the summit with its
host, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor. They will discuss how to
tackle President Bush, who last week called for action to deal with
climate change, which his critics suggested was instead a way of
delaying international agreements.
Yesterday, there were violent clashes in the city harbour of Rostock
between police and demonstrators, during a largely peaceful march of
tens of thousands of people protesting against the summit.
The study, published by the US National Academy of Sciences, shows
that carbon dioxide emissions have been increasing by about 3 per cent
a year during this decade, compared with 1.1 per cent a year in the
1990s.
The significance is that this is much faster than even the highest
scenario outlined in this year's massive reports by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - and suggests that
their dire forecasts of devastating harvests, dwindling water
supplies, melting ice and loss of species are likely to be
understating the threat facing the world.
The study found that nearly three-quarters of the growth in emissions
came from developing countries, with a particularly rapid rise in
China. The country, however, will resist being blamed for the problem,
pointing out that its people on average still contribute only about a
sixth of the carbon dioxide emitted by each American. And, the study
shows, developed countries, with less than a sixth of the world's
people, still contribute more than two-thirds of total emissions of
the greenhouse gas.
On the ground, a study by the University of California's National Snow
and Ice Data Center shows that Arctic ice has declined by 7.8 per cent
a decade over the past 50 years, compared with an average estimate by
IPCC computer models of 2.5 per cent.
In yesterday's clashes, masked protesters hurled flagpoles, stones and
bottles and attacked with sticks forcing police to retreat. The police
said they were suffering "massive assaults" and that the situation was
"very chaotic". They put the size of the demonstration at 25,000;
organisers said it was 80,000.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "Bob Eld" |
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03 Jun 2007 01:56:11 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:rc1663ltamcnlv9hr8r1b57fdmgj75slv8@4ax.com...
Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predictions'
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 03 June 2007
http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2609305.ece
Global warming is accelerating three times more quickly than feared, a
series of startling, authoritative studies has revealed.
They have found that emissions of carbon dioxide have been rising at
thrice the rate in the 1990s. The Arctic ice cap is melting three
times as fast - and the seas are rising twice as rapidly - as had been
predicted.
News of the studies - which are bound to lead to calls for even
tougher anti-pollution measures than have yet been contemplated -
comes as the leaders of the world's most powerful nations prepare for
the most crucial meeting yet on tackling climate change.
The issue will be top of the agenda of the G8 summit which opens in
the German Baltic resort of Heiligendamm on Wednesday, placing
unprecedented pressure on President George Bush finally to agree to
international measures.
Tony Blair flies to Berlin today to prepare for the summit with its
host, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor. They will discuss how to
tackle President Bush, who last week called for action to deal with
climate change, which his critics suggested was instead a way of
delaying international agreements.
Yesterday, there were violent clashes in the city harbour of Rostock
between police and demonstrators, during a largely peaceful march of
tens of thousands of people protesting against the summit.
The study, published by the US National Academy of Sciences, shows
that carbon dioxide emissions have been increasing by about 3 per cent
a year during this decade, compared with 1.1 per cent a year in the
1990s.
The significance is that this is much faster than even the highest
scenario outlined in this year's massive reports by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - and suggests that
their dire forecasts of devastating harvests, dwindling water
supplies, melting ice and loss of species are likely to be
understating the threat facing the world.
The study found that nearly three-quarters of the growth in emissions
came from developing countries, with a particularly rapid rise in
China. The country, however, will resist being blamed for the problem,
pointing out that its people on average still contribute only about a
sixth of the carbon dioxide emitted by each American. And, the study
shows, developed countries, with less than a sixth of the world's
people, still contribute more than two-thirds of total emissions of
the greenhouse gas.
On the ground, a study by the University of California's National Snow
and Ice Data Center shows that Arctic ice has declined by 7.8 per cent
a decade over the past 50 years, compared with an average estimate by
IPCC computer models of 2.5 per cent.
In yesterday's clashes, masked protesters hurled flagpoles, stones and
bottles and attacked with sticks forcing police to retreat. The police
said they were suffering "massive assaults" and that the situation was
"very chaotic". They put the size of the demonstration at 25,000;
organisers said it was 80,000.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
Not to worry! Republicans don't believe in global warming, climate change
and CO2 emissions. So, as long as they are in power, these things don't
exist by edict. If they don't exist, they can't hurt us and are therefore no
proplem. It's called faith-based science. Kneel by your bed and say a nice
little prayer and it will all go away.
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| User: "John Black" |
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04 Jun 2007 11:40:21 AM |
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In article <f9E8i.13098$RX.10549@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
nsmontassoc@yahoo.com says...
Not to worry! Republicans don't believe in global warming, climate change
and CO2 emissions.
You are delibrately distorting what skeptics of man-made global warming
believe. We are not all Republicans for one thing (I am not). Your
sentence above should read, skeptics don't believe that man-made CO2
emmissions are causing global warming and climate change just as they
never have in the past and just as we have had plenty of global warming
and climate change in the past without man-made CO2 emissions.
John Black
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Desmond and Molly Jones" |
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03 Jun 2007 02:03:20 PM |
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In article <f9E8i.13098$RX.10549@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, Bob Eld
at says...
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:rc1663ltamcnlv9hr8r1b57fdmgj75slv8@4ax.com...
Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predictions'
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 03 June 2007
http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2609305.ece
Global warming is accelerating three times more quickly than feared, a
series of startling, authoritative studies has revealed.
Not to worry! Republicans don't believe in global warming, climate change
and CO2 emissions. So, as long as they are in power, these things don't
exist by edict. If they don't exist, they can't hurt us and are therefore no
proplem. It's called faith-based science. Kneel by your bed and say a nice
little prayer and it will all go away.
However, Republicans do believe in WMDs that they can't actually find.
And since they believe it, the WMDs really do exist and could blow us
all up at any moment so we have have to spend $500 BILLION, kill
thousands of American soldiers, maim tens of thousands of American
soldiers and kill hundreds of thousands of foreigners to make sure we
are safe.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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03 Jun 2007 02:39:11 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:56:11 GMT, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:rc1663ltamcnlv9hr8r1b57fdmgj75slv8@4ax.com...
Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predictions'
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 03 June 2007
http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2609305.ece
Global warming is accelerating three times more quickly than feared, a
series of startling, authoritative studies has revealed.
They have found that emissions of carbon dioxide have been rising at
thrice the rate in the 1990s. The Arctic ice cap is melting three
times as fast - and the seas are rising twice as rapidly - as had been
predicted.
News of the studies - which are bound to lead to calls for even
tougher anti-pollution measures than have yet been contemplated -
comes as the leaders of the world's most powerful nations prepare for
the most crucial meeting yet on tackling climate change.
The issue will be top of the agenda of the G8 summit which opens in
the German Baltic resort of Heiligendamm on Wednesday, placing
unprecedented pressure on President George Bush finally to agree to
international measures.
Tony Blair flies to Berlin today to prepare for the summit with its
host, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor. They will discuss how to
tackle President Bush, who last week called for action to deal with
climate change, which his critics suggested was instead a way of
delaying international agreements.
Yesterday, there were violent clashes in the city harbour of Rostock
between police and demonstrators, during a largely peaceful march of
tens of thousands of people protesting against the summit.
The study, published by the US National Academy of Sciences, shows
that carbon dioxide emissions have been increasing by about 3 per cent
a year during this decade, compared with 1.1 per cent a year in the
1990s.
The significance is that this is much faster than even the highest
scenario outlined in this year's massive reports by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - and suggests that
their dire forecasts of devastating harvests, dwindling water
supplies, melting ice and loss of species are likely to be
understating the threat facing the world.
The study found that nearly three-quarters of the growth in emissions
came from developing countries, with a particularly rapid rise in
China. The country, however, will resist being blamed for the problem,
pointing out that its people on average still contribute only about a
sixth of the carbon dioxide emitted by each American. And, the study
shows, developed countries, with less than a sixth of the world's
people, still contribute more than two-thirds of total emissions of
the greenhouse gas.
On the ground, a study by the University of California's National Snow
and Ice Data Center shows that Arctic ice has declined by 7.8 per cent
a decade over the past 50 years, compared with an average estimate by
IPCC computer models of 2.5 per cent.
In yesterday's clashes, masked protesters hurled flagpoles, stones and
bottles and attacked with sticks forcing police to retreat. The police
said they were suffering "massive assaults" and that the situation was
"very chaotic". They put the size of the demonstration at 25,000;
organisers said it was 80,000.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
Not to worry! Republicans don't believe in global warming, climate change
and CO2 emissions. So, as long as they are in power, these things don't
exist by edict. If they don't exist, they can't hurt us and are therefore no
proplem. It's called faith-based science. Kneel by your bed and say a nice
little prayer and it will all go away.
A while back Al Gore said that there were only 10 years left to avoid
global catastrophic. Does this article mean to imply that it is now
less than 3 years?
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "Phlip" |
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03 Jun 2007 02:09:40 PM |
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Captain Compassion can't recall writing:
Global warming is accelerating three times more quickly than feared, a
series of startling, authoritative studies has revealed.
Appeal to fear /and/ appeal to authority in the very first sentence?
Weather systems are sensitive to initial conditions. A butterfly flapping
its wings in Africa can create (or accidentally inhibit) vortexes that
travel west to become hurricanes. Turbulence is hard to predict.
Climate is insensitive to initial conditions. No matter what temperature
winter is, we can generally guess summer will be warm. (In the northern
hemisphere.)
Climate models are programs that predict climate. Scientists will admit they
don't know every variable, so sometimes they must guess which variables to
feed into their programs.
These unknown coefficients make climate models sensitive to their initial
conditions. If you change one number a tiny bit, you can get a lot more
heating or cooling at the other end.
This is why each research paper that influences a news report seems to come
with a different estimate. Scientists know this happens, and it's just part
of their job. The more variables they measure in Nature, the more accurate
their models will become. The wide estimates are raw science, but playing
politics with each result causes turbulence in our political system!
And if climatologists actually determine excess carbon is harmless, then
environmentalists will rejoice. This means they can then work to determine
more accurately which specific chemicals are harmful, so they can reward
industry for reducing emissions of the correct chemicals.
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "Jerry Kraus" |
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03 Jun 2007 03:31:54 PM |
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On Jun 3, 1:20 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predictions'
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 03 June 2007http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2609305.ece
Global warming is accelerating three times more quickly than feared, a
series of startling, authoritative studies has revealed.
They have found that emissions of carbon dioxide have been rising at
thrice the rate in the 1990s. The Arctic ice cap is melting three
times as fast - and the seas are rising twice as rapidly - as had been
predicted.
News of the studies - which are bound to lead to calls for even
tougher anti-pollution measures than have yet been contemplated -
comes as the leaders of the world's most powerful nations prepare for
the most crucial meeting yet on tackling climate change.
The issue will be top of the agenda of the G8 summit which opens in
the German Baltic resort of Heiligendamm on Wednesday, placing
unprecedented pressure on President George Bush finally to agree to
international measures.
Tony Blair flies to Berlin today to prepare for the summit with its
host, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor. They will discuss how to
tackle President Bush, who last week called for action to deal with
climate change, which his critics suggested was instead a way of
delaying international agreements.
Yesterday, there were violent clashes in the city harbour of Rostock
between police and demonstrators, during a largely peaceful march of
tens of thousands of people protesting against the summit.
The study, published by the US National Academy of Sciences, shows
that carbon dioxide emissions have been increasing by about 3 per cent
a year during this decade, compared with 1.1 per cent a year in the
1990s.
The significance is that this is much faster than even the highest
scenario outlined in this year's massive reports by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - and suggests that
their dire forecasts of devastating harvests, dwindling water
supplies, melting ice and loss of species are likely to be
understating the threat facing the world.
The study found that nearly three-quarters of the growth in emissions
came from developing countries, with a particularly rapid rise in
China. The country, however, will resist being blamed for the problem,
pointing out that its people on average still contribute only about a
sixth of the carbon dioxide emitted by each American. And, the study
shows, developed countries, with less than a sixth of the world's
people, still contribute more than two-thirds of total emissions of
the greenhouse gas.
On the ground, a study by the University of California's National Snow
and Ice Data Center shows that Arctic ice has declined by 7.8 per cent
a decade over the past 50 years, compared with an average estimate by
IPCC computer models of 2.5 per cent.
In yesterday's clashes, masked protesters hurled flagpoles, stones and
bottles and attacked with sticks forcing police to retreat. The police
said they were suffering "massive assaults" and that the situation was
"very chaotic". They put the size of the demonstration at 25,000;
organisers said it was 80,000.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net
Since it's quite clear that we are all doomed to roast in the fires in
global warming Hell within the next few years, why not just enjoy
ourselves? That seems as reasonable a conclusion from this nonsense
as any other. Frankly, I haven't noticed the weather changing much in
the last few decades. It doesn't seem to me these "scientists" -- or
shall I say, money grubbing quacks -- are adding much to that general
observation. It's very easy to lie with statistics -- you know, there
are lies, damned lies and statistics? Seems to fit the global warming
frenzy rather precisely.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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03 Jun 2007 06:12:09 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:31:54 -0700, Jerry Kraus
<jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 3, 1:20 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
Global warming 'is three times faster than worst predictions'
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 03 June 2007http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2609305.ece
Global warming is accelerating three times more quickly than feared, a
series of startling, authoritative studies has revealed.
They have found that emissions of carbon dioxide have been rising at
thrice the rate in the 1990s. The Arctic ice cap is melting three
times as fast - and the seas are rising twice as rapidly - as had been
predicted.
News of the studies - which are bound to lead to calls for even
tougher anti-pollution measures than have yet been contemplated -
comes as the leaders of the world's most powerful nations prepare for
the most crucial meeting yet on tackling climate change.
The issue will be top of the agenda of the G8 summit which opens in
the German Baltic resort of Heiligendamm on Wednesday, placing
unprecedented pressure on President George Bush finally to agree to
international measures.
Tony Blair flies to Berlin today to prepare for the summit with its
host, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor. They will discuss how to
tackle President Bush, who last week called for action to deal with
climate change, which his critics suggested was instead a way of
delaying international agreements.
Yesterday, there were violent clashes in the city harbour of Rostock
between police and demonstrators, during a largely peaceful march of
tens of thousands of people protesting against the summit.
The study, published by the US National Academy of Sciences, shows
that carbon dioxide emissions have been increasing by about 3 per cent
a year during this decade, compared with 1.1 per cent a year in the
1990s.
The significance is that this is much faster than even the highest
scenario outlined in this year's massive reports by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - and suggests that
their dire forecasts of devastating harvests, dwindling water
supplies, melting ice and loss of species are likely to be
understating the threat facing the world.
The study found that nearly three-quarters of the growth in emissions
came from developing countries, with a particularly rapid rise in
China. The country, however, will resist being blamed for the problem,
pointing out that its people on average still contribute only about a
sixth of the carbon dioxide emitted by each American. And, the study
shows, developed countries, with less than a sixth of the world's
people, still contribute more than two-thirds of total emissions of
the greenhouse gas.
On the ground, a study by the University of California's National Snow
and Ice Data Center shows that Arctic ice has declined by 7.8 per cent
a decade over the past 50 years, compared with an average estimate by
IPCC computer models of 2.5 per cent.
In yesterday's clashes, masked protesters hurled flagpoles, stones and
bottles and attacked with sticks forcing police to retreat. The police
said they were suffering "massive assaults" and that the situation was
"very chaotic". They put the size of the demonstration at 25,000;
organisers said it was 80,000.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net
Since it's quite clear that we are all doomed to roast in the fires in
global warming Hell within the next few years, why not just enjoy
ourselves? That seems as reasonable a conclusion from this nonsense
as any other. Frankly, I haven't noticed the weather changing much in
the last few decades. It doesn't seem to me these "scientists" -- or
shall I say, money grubbing quacks -- are adding much to that general
observation. It's very easy to lie with statistics -- you know, there
are lies, damned lies and statistics? Seems to fit the global warming
frenzy rather precisely.
Statistics: the mathematical theory of ignorance. -- Morris Kline
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable.
-- Author Unknown
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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