On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:16:53 -0800, "Erik A. Mattila"
<eam@nospamimpix.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:53:48 -0800, "Erik A. Mattila"
<eam@nospamimpix.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:02:44 GMT, "mensgearauctions"
<mensgearauctions@yahoo.com> wrote:

did you miss the sentence saying that the 15 HOTTEST YEARS EVER RECORDED
were all since 1980???

The key words here are "EVER RECORDED". I suspect that accurate
readings of global temperature from satellite data weren't much
available before that date so your claim is meaningless. Tell me of
the global climate picture in the 11th century.

Piece of cake. It's called the "Medieval Climate Optimum" (10th/11th
century), when the climate was slightly warmer than today.
http://www.marshall.org/article.php?id=13

To most of the global warming advocates global climate history started
in 1975. The previous billions of years of climate history doesn't fit
in their "model" so it is to be ignored.

I doubt that even you really believe that. BTW, ironically, that fellow
the Bush Admin supported, Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, to replace Dr. Robert
Watson per a request by Exxon (because Exxon believed that Watson was
"too aggressive" on the issue), has recently stated that the world
"already reached the level of dangerous concentrations of carbon dioxide
in the atmosphere" and called for immediate and "very deep" cuts in the
pollution if humanity is to "survive".
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1136

Bush can't keep his own sailors on-board the good ship Global Warming.

75,000 to 80,000 years ago, just before the start of the last great
ice advance, the earth was much warmer. The sea levels were 80 feet
higher and arctic ice was less then 50% of what it is today. Why
should the earth escape that fate during the current interglacial
period?

I suspect the cause of warming during the last interglacial was not
anthropocentric CO2.

(or did you not even read the article?)
yes, it can be damn cold in New England in January, and still be the hottest
year ever for the planet!
the polar ice caps are melting away... yesterday there was a news item
about Canada and Russia exploring polar trade routes, something never before
possible. (something for you rightwingers to claim is progress, although
terrible for the planet and costal regions!)

The polar ice caps are melting? Big deal. This is something that they
have done 20 or so times in the last 2 million years. The last great
ice advance has been over for the last 15,000 years. What do you
expect them to do?

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Joseph R. Darancette
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"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger

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so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net

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"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger

"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net

My baseline is weather records kept for hundreds of years. We have had
more record breaking weather events in the last 50 years than we have
ever.

"In an astonishing announcement on global warming and extreme weather,
the World Meteorological Organization signaled last night that the
world's weather is going haywire.

In a startling report, the WMO, which normally produces detailed
scientific reports and staid statistics at the year's end, highlighted
record extremes in weather and climate occurring all over the world in
recent weeks, from Switzerland's hottest-ever June to a record month
for tornadoes in the United States - and linked them to climate change.

The unprecedented warning takes its force and significance from the
fact that it is not coming from Greenpeace or Friends of the Earth, but
from an impeccably respected UN Organization that is not given to
hyperbole (though environmentalists will seize on it to claim that the
direst warnings of climate change are being borne out).

The Geneva-based body, to which the weather services of 185 countries
contribute, takes the view that events this year in Europe, America and
Asia are so remarkable that the world needs to be made aware of it
immediately.

The extreme weather it documents, such as record high and low
temperatures, record rainfall and record storms in different parts of
the world, is consistent with predictions of global warming.
Supercomputer models show that, as the atmosphere warms, the climate
not only becomes hotter but much more unstable. "Recent scientific
assessments indicate that, as the global temperatures continue to warm
due to climate change, the number and intensity of extreme events might
increase," the WMO said, giving a striking series of examples.

In southern France, record temperatures were recorded in June, rising
above 40C in places - temperatures of 5C to 7C above the average.

In Switzerland, it was the hottest June in at least 250 years,
environmental historians said. In Geneva, since 29 May, daytime
temperatures have not fallen below 25C, making it the hottest June
recorded.

In the United States, there were 562 May tornadoes, which caused 41
deaths. This set a record for any month. The previous record was 399 in
June 1992.

In India, this year's pre-monsoon heatwave brought peak temperatures of
45C - 2C to 5C above the norm. At least 1,400 people died in India due
to the hot weather. In Sri Lanka, heavy rainfall from Tropical Cyclone
01B exacerbated wet conditions, resulting in flooding and landslides
and killing at least 300 people. The infrastructure and economy of
south-west Sri Lanka was heavily damaged. A reduction of 20-30 per cent
is expected in the output of low-grown tea in the next three months.

Last month was also the hottest in England and Wales since 1976, with
average temperatures of 16C. The WMO said: "These record extreme events
(high temperatures, low temperatures and high rainfall amounts and
droughts) all go into calculating the monthly and annual averages,
which, for temperatures, have been gradually increasing over the past
100 years.

"New record extreme events occur every year somewhere in the globe, but
in recent years the number of such extremes have been increasing.

"According to recent climate-change scientific assessment reports of
the joint WMO/United Nations Environmental Program Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change, the global average surface temperature has
increased since 1861. Over the 20th century the increase has been
around 0.6C.

"New analyses of proxy data for the northern hemisphere indicate that
the increase in temperature in the 20th century is likely to have been
the largest in any century during the past 1,000 years."

While the trend towards warmer temperatures has been uneven over the
past century, the trend since 1976 is roughly three times that for the
whole period.

Global average land and sea surface temperatures in May 2003 were the
second highest since records began in 1880. Considering land
temperatures only, last May was the warmest on record.

It is possible that 2003 will be the hottest year ever recorded. The 10
hottest years in the 143-year-old global temperature record have now
all been since 1990, with the three hottest being 1998, 2002 and 2001.

The unstable world of climate change has long been a prediction. Now,
the WMO says, it is a reality.

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