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19 May 2007 03:01:53 PM |
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Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
I've received this email by John. T. Markham from a friend of mine,
asking to post it. I've had some bad experiences with godaddy.com
myself, so basically, I concur with the opinions, expressed below.
Sorry if the formatting is screwed, my news client does it a lot. It
was nice, when I received it.
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An Open Letter and four questions to Bob Parsons, Godaddy.com Owner
and President
Mr. Parsons:
I'm truly shocked by the amount of negative information and
expressions of massive outrage, popping up everywhere on the Net,
about extremely immoral and illegal practices of godaddy.com. People
from all over the world are complaining about godaddy.com acting as a
sole King, Judge, Jury, Executioner and even as a rutless robber on
the Internet Superhighway.
Bluehost.com president Matt Heaton claims, that they are going to
terminate their corporate account with Godaddy and take their $70K per
month business elsewhere, due to your extremely poor service and
outrageous behaviour.
The reputable and influential CNet currently posted an article, which,
in essence, claims that godaddy.com is an enemy of free speech on the
Net.
There are numerous claims of domain theft by godaddy.com, of extreme
censorship, of taking their customers' money and terminating their
prepaid services for no justifiable reason, providing no venues to
remedy any harm, no ways to arbitration,
review, etc., etc., etc. I'm not sure any Internet business entity
would be proud of the attitude, expressed in your Terms of Service,
such as:
"IN NO EVENT SHALL GO DADDY BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT,
INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES
(INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR
SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS
INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER
IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING
NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THE
SERVICES, EVEN IF GO DADDY IS AWARE OF OR HAS BEEN ADVISED
OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE."
In other words, you have rights to harm, abuse, neglect, steal,
interphere, or do anthing you want, no exceptions, with your
customers' businesses, domain names, anything and everything within
your reach, and no one has the right to demand any responsibility, any
accountability from you. You have all the rights you choose to have,
at your sole discretion, but your customers have none whatsoever.
Wasn't this an attitude, fostered and practiced by Joseph Stalin,
Saddam Hussein? I admit,you're not killing your customers yet, but in
general, it's a similar state of mind, in my humble opinion.
And this is what follows in your mandatory TOS Agreement:
"Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Agreement, in
addition to any and all other remedies to which Go Daddy is entitled,
Go Daddy specifically reserves the right to (i) immediately suspend
any domain names that Go Daddy believes in its
sole discretion to be violating the terms of this Agreement, (ii)
charge You a Twenty Nine and No/100 Dollars ($29.00) administrative
fee for any and each domain name that Go Daddy believes in its sole
discretion to be violating the terms of this Agreement, (iii) require
the forfeiture of any previously earned revenue in connection with the
Services, which has yet to be paid, (iv) deactivate any and all
accounts and domains that Go Daddy believes in its sole discretion to
be violating the terms of this Agreement, and (v) provide advertising
partners with any and all domain names that Go Daddy believe in its
sole discretion to be violating the terms of this Agreement."
(It's truly unfortunate, that most people are desensitized and
conditioned not to read any of such legalese, when signing up for
services).Once again, you Sir have proclaimed yourself and your
Kingdom the sole ruler, the sole authority, which can do anything at
anytime, "at your sole discretion" to any customer of your company and
to their property. It's nice you don't yet claim you also have
exclusive rights to their wives, sisters, children, real estate, and
their souls.
Question No 1. What is going on?
Question No 2. Don't you care about what people are saying, writing,
screaming about your company?
Question No.3. Do you think Godaddy.com can get away with practicing
toalitarian tyranny and mob-style rule of the Net and survive as a
business enity, in this age of massive information exchange?
Question No 4. You claim that you are an American patriot. How do you
think your tyrannical and mob-style actions are representing American
moral and business values in the eyes of the world?
Here are some links to more information on this disturbing issue:
http://www.nodaddy.com/
http://www.phpbb-seo.com/boards/hosting/discussions-vt471.html
http://news.com.com/Survey+Are+domain+registrars+free-speech+friendly/2100-1025_3-6155614.html
http://news.com.com/Survey+Are+domain+registrars+free-speech+friendly/2100-1025_3-6155614.html?tag=st.prev
http://news.com.com/5208-1025_3-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=24708&messageID=234957&start=-1
http://mattheaton.com/?p=41
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/12636
http://www.thehostguru.com/category/articles/
Mr. Parsons, please descend from your imaginary throne, do some soul
searching and address these issues in you personal blog, on the
Usenet, or using any other public forum (at your sole discretion, of
course). Please be kind to do it honestly and as openly, as you can.
Looking back at your biography and at the history of your company, it
seems you used to be a very decent man, running a very decent
business, providing friendly, high quality service. What happened?!
John T. Markham, New York, NY
Since this is an Open Letter, anyone is free to repost it anywhere, in
part or in whole.
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| User: "William Stanton" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 06:37:41 PM |
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"Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:FLednbVzNIc0SM3bnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
can do? (and they do it a lot!). And never return their money? Or
shut down the site and take over a domain name Bob Parsons wants to
himself, because "they called its owner at the listed phone, but
there was no answer"? Do that with no warning, or a 1-minute to
45-minute warning? What a bull.
Thats an ICANN rule dumbass. ICANN requires you to have VALID info in your
WHOIS info. If you dont and you get reported then YES you lose the domain.
This is NOT GoDaddys fault, its the dumbass that input the wrong info. I
report domains all the time for having an invalid phone number or email
address. GoDaddy is not the only one to remove domains for invalid info.
And this is invalid: Registrant Street2:Domain May Be For Sale
So you may wish to fix your domains WHOIS info. Ill give 24 hours and then
Ill submit a report. And yes eNom does remove domains for invalid info so
you are NOT safe...
OK, so if they call a phone number listed as a Microsoft.com Administrative
contact, and, for some reason, no one answers that call, they can take their
domain name over and demand a ransom from Microsoft Corp. if it wants to get
it back. Yeah, that's what you rightard extremists are trying to impose upon
the rest of the world and that's why the rest of the world is fighting you
back. And you, fucking rightard bastards, are going to lose, just like
everyone of your kind lost it until now and will lose in the future.
And, BTW, in case of Godaddy.com, if they want that domain, they will take
it over "due to incorrect WHOIS records", regardless if you answer that call
or not.
And there will be no recourse, no remedy, since they stated in their TOS
that they can do anything they want and you can do only what they will "deem
appropriate, at their sole discretion".
Once again, you are evil to the bone, Viper, and you are going to lose just
like all of your kind had and have been losing since time immemorial. And
you never learn. Well, just wait and watch how this battle unfolds..
WS
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| User: "Viper" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 07:19:43 PM |
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Thank you for helping make Whois data more accurate. A Whois Data Problem
Report related to mymail.org was recently submitted, so no further action is
required.
LOL Looks like its already reported. Good luck!
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| User: "William Stanton" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 07:33:04 PM |
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"Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7PmdnVohIrEHeM3bnZ2dnUVZ_rylnZ2d@comcast.com...
Thank you for helping make Whois data more accurate. A Whois Data Problem
Report related to mymail.org was recently submitted, so no further action
is required.
LOL Looks like its already reported. Good luck!
Sober up
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
21 May 2007 04:35:07 PM |
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On May 20, 8:19 pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for helping make Whois data more accurate. A Whois Data Problem
Report related to mymail.org was recently submitted, so no further action is
required.
LOL Looks like its already reported. Good luck!
Goodness gracious, why would anyone try to reason with a snake?!
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| User: "Jerry Stuckle" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 07:53:52 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
"Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:FLednbVzNIc0SM3bnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
can do? (and they do it a lot!). And never return their money? Or
shut down the site and take over a domain name Bob Parsons wants to
himself, because "they called its owner at the listed phone, but
there was no answer"? Do that with no warning, or a 1-minute to
45-minute warning? What a bull.
Thats an ICANN rule dumbass. ICANN requires you to have VALID info in your
WHOIS info. If you dont and you get reported then YES you lose the domain.
This is NOT GoDaddys fault, its the dumbass that input the wrong info. I
report domains all the time for having an invalid phone number or email
address. GoDaddy is not the only one to remove domains for invalid info.
And this is invalid: Registrant Street2:Domain May Be For Sale
So you may wish to fix your domains WHOIS info. Ill give 24 hours and then
Ill submit a report. And yes eNom does remove domains for invalid info so
you are NOT safe...
OK, so if they call a phone number listed as a Microsoft.com Administrative
contact, and, for some reason, no one answers that call, they can take their
domain name over and demand a ransom from Microsoft Corp. if it wants to get
it back. Yeah, that's what you rightard extremists are trying to impose upon
the rest of the world and that's why the rest of the world is fighting you
back. And you, fucking rightard bastards, are going to lose, just like
everyone of your kind lost it until now and will lose in the future.
And, BTW, in case of Godaddy.com, if they want that domain, they will take
it over "due to incorrect WHOIS records", regardless if you answer that call
or not.
And there will be no recourse, no remedy, since they stated in their TOS
that they can do anything they want and you can do only what they will "deem
appropriate, at their sole discretion".
Once again, you are evil to the bone, Viper, and you are going to lose just
like all of your kind had and have been losing since time immemorial. And
you never learn. Well, just wait and watch how this battle unfolds..
WS
No, it shows how little you understand the law.
--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| User: "WindsorFox" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 01:06:48 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IsCdncEsDqkdy83bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
also.
It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name
has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed
for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to
be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/registrant-name-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer classes.
WS
Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
OK, this is from Law Offices of Bernard C. Dietz:
http://www.internet-legal.com/domains.htm
"We represent domain owners and trademark holders in domain disputes."
You need to prove that the Law school you've graduated from provided a
better education than Mr. Dietz.s law school did.
WS
That's not a legal definition, that is a blurb on the "about" page
of a law firms web site.
--
"Humor is in the eye of the beholder.
Some beholders are flat-out blind." - Dwight
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| User: "William Stanton" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 10:18:54 AM |
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"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IsCdncEsDqkdy83bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
also.
It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name
has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed
for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to
be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/registrant-name-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer classes.
WS
Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
So Domain Name Owners Association is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever instead.
It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| User: "Jerry Stuckle" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 07:57:03 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IsCdncEsDqkdy83bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
also.
It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name
has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed
for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to
be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/registrant-name-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer classes.
WS
Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
So Domain Name Owners Association is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever instead.
It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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Go pay a lawyer and get a good answer. So easy, even YOU can do it.
--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| User: "William Stanton" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 08:33:47 PM |
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"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:brqdndgjwqQLc83bnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IsCdncEsDqkdy83bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
also.
It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get
to use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay
your rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain
name has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact
listed for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you
want to be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/registrant-name-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer
classes.
WS
Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
So Domain Name Owners Association is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever
instead. It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Go pay a lawyer and get a good answer. So easy, even YOU can do it.
I just did. He said you guys are idiots.
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| User: "Jerry Stuckle" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 08:50:37 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:brqdndgjwqQLc83bnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IsCdncEsDqkdy83bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
also.
It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get
to use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay
your rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain
name has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact
listed for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you
want to be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/registrant-name-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer
classes.
WS
Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
So Domain Name Owners Association is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever
instead. It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Go pay a lawyer and get a good answer. So easy, even YOU can do it.
I just did. He said you guys are idiots.
ROFLMAO! Keep up with the ad hominem attacks. Every one makes you look
more pathetic.
--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| User: "William Stanton" |
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 08:51:38 PM |
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"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:brqdndgjwqQLc83bnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IsCdncEsDqkdy83bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
also.
It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get
to use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay
your rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
WS
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain
name has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact
listed for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you
want to be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/registrant-name-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer
classes.
WS
Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
So Domain Name Owners Association is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever
instead. It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
WS
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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Go pay a lawyer and get a good answer. So easy, even YOU can do it.
Visit Domain Name Owners ( not Renters!) Association at www.dnoa.org It's a
fine, yet pretty toothless organization. In about two weeks visit the new
Domain Name Owners (not Renters) United (www.DNOU.org) Join them. This is
going to be a big one. With teeth. Lots of sharp teeth.
As to your attitude, it's very human: if it doesn't bother me, I don't care.
If a drunk driver hits my car, injures my loved ones,I join the MADD, demand
tougher laws, harsher punishment for those drunk bastards. But when I am
caught driving drunk - hey, the laws are way too harsh, people need a break,
tough punishment solves no problems, jail never makes anyone a better
person.
And so it goes...Seen this too many times around.
If Godaddy is abusing others, that's fine with you, they are just following
rules, but when they'll hit you one day, I have no doubt you will become a
proud card-carrying member of the DNOU in no time. Trust me. Do not doubt
me. Just trust. And sleep tight tonight.
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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20 May 2007 09:02:16 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:brqdndgjwqQLc83bnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IsCdncEsDqkdy83bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
also.
It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get
to use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay
your rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain
name has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact
listed for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you
want to be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/registrant-name-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer
classes.
WS
Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
So Domain Name Owners Association is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever
instead. It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Go pay a lawyer and get a good answer. So easy, even YOU can do it.
Visit Domain Name Owners ( not Renters!) Association at www.dnoa.org It's a
fine, yet pretty toothless organization. In about two weeks visit the new
Domain Name Owners (not Renters) United (www.DNOU.org) Join them. This is
going to be a big one. With teeth. Lots of sharp teeth.
Big deal. Calling a pig a horse doesn't make it a horse.
As to your attitude, it's very human: if it doesn't bother me, I don't care.
If a drunk driver hits my car, injures my loved ones,I join the MADD, demand
tougher laws, harsher punishment for those drunk bastards. But when I am
caught driving drunk - hey, the laws are way too harsh, people need a break,
tough punishment solves no problems, jail never makes anyone a better
person.
And so it goes...Seen this too many times around.
And what does this have to do with anything? GoDaddy is neither a drunk
driver nor is it the law. And there is no drunk driver affecting your
relationship with GoDaddy.
If Godaddy is abusing others, that's fine with you, they are just following
rules, but when they'll hit you one day, I have no doubt you will become a
proud card-carrying member of the DNOU in no time. Trust me. Do not doubt
me. Just trust. And sleep tight tonight.
Nope. When you get a domain from GoDaddy, you agree to abide by their
TOS. If you don't live up to your agreement, you lose your domain.
Nothing more, nothing less.
And actually, I *prefer* to work with GoDaddy and other organizations
with reasonable TOS's that they enforce.
If you've had trouble with them, it's only because you failed to live up
to the terms you agreed to.
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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20 May 2007 09:45:35 PM |
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And actually, I *prefer* to work with GoDaddy and other organizations with
reasonable TOS's that they enforce.
If you've had trouble with them, it's only because you failed to live up
to the terms you agreed to.
You're too stuck, stuckle, to reason with you. Visit www.nodaddy.com for a
change.
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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20 May 2007 10:33:56 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
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And actually, I *prefer* to work with GoDaddy and other organizations with
reasonable TOS's that they enforce.
If you've had trouble with them, it's only because you failed to live up
to the terms you agreed to.
You're too stuck, stuckle, to reason with you. Visit www.nodaddy.com for a
change.
ROFLMAO!
You've got to get in the ad hominem attacks because you have nothing to
argue. It's the last refuge of the incompetent to try to keep from
admitting they're wrong.
Go pay an attorney. See if he doesn't agree with what I'm saying. He
will - despite your wishes to the contrary.
--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| User: "Viper" |
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20 May 2007 11:50:33 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
You're too stuck, stuckle, to reason with you. Visit www.nodaddy.com
for a change.
Better tell them to get a new register. directnic.com will remove a domain
for spamming or invalid whois info too! LMAO
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| User: "Viper" |
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20 May 2007 11:48:47 PM |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Nope. When you get a domain from GoDaddy, you agree to abide by their
TOS. If you don't live up to your agreement, you lose your domain.
Nothing more, nothing less.
And actually, I *prefer* to work with GoDaddy and other organizations
with reasonable TOS's that they enforce.
If you've had trouble with them, it's only because you failed to live
up to the terms you agreed to.
DNOU.org is owned by bluehost spam host. I see now why they are mad at
GoDaddy.
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| User: "Viper" |
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20 May 2007 11:46:26 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
Visit Domain Name Owners ( not Renters!) Association at www.dnoa.org
It's a fine, yet pretty toothless organization. In about two weeks
visit the new Domain Name Owners (not Renters) United (www.DNOU.org)
Join them. This is going to be a big one. With teeth. Lots of sharp
teeth.
Thank you for helping make Whois data more accurate. A Whois Data Problem
Report related to dnou.org was recently submitted, so no further action is
required.
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| User: "Red E. Kilowatt" |
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21 May 2007 02:29:09 PM |
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Viper <venomx@gmail.com> wrote in message:
5d2dnY2v_amDuczbnZ2dnUVZ_tyinZ2d@comcast.com,
William Stanton wrote:
Visit Domain Name Owners ( not Renters!) Association at www.dnoa.org
It's a fine, yet pretty toothless organization. In about two weeks
visit the new Domain Name Owners (not Renters) United (www.DNOU.org)
Join them. This is going to be a big one. With teeth. Lots of sharp
teeth.
Thank you for helping make Whois data more accurate. A Whois Data
Problem Report related to dnou.org was recently submitted, so no
further action is required.
Attacking anyone in this manner who is not a high-volume spammer is
despicable.
Attacking someone like this simply because you disagree with their point
of view is so far beyond despicable as to defy description. You really
disgust me.
--
Red
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| User: "Viper" |
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21 May 2007 05:37:41 PM |
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Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
Attacking anyone in this manner who is not a high-volume spammer is
despicable.
Attacking someone like this simply because you disagree with their
point of view is so far beyond despicable as to defy description. You
really disgust me.
Like I give a rats ***** what you think?
The WHOIS info is invalid so it was reported. I wasnt the only one to report
it.
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22 May 2007 11:26:00 AM |
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"Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:grmdnVDthqOsgs_bnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com...
Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
Attacking anyone in this manner who is not a high-volume spammer is
despicable.
Attacking someone like this simply because you disagree with their
point of view is so far beyond despicable as to defy description. You
really disgust me.
Like I give a rats ***** what you think?
The WHOIS info is invalid so it was reported. I wasnt the only one to
report it.
That guy was right about you Snake. There's nothing more disgusting,
vomit-inducing, than a crossbred between a human and a venomous snake. They
may look like humans, but they are not.
Now report me to PETA for animal abuse.
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22 May 2007 06:31:24 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
"Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:grmdnVDthqOsgs_bnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com...
Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
Attacking anyone in this manner who is not a high-volume spammer is
despicable.
Attacking someone like this simply because you disagree with their
point of view is so far beyond despicable as to defy description.
You really disgust me.
Like I give a rats ***** what you think?
The WHOIS info is invalid so it was reported. I wasnt the only one to
report it.
That guy was right about you Snake. There's nothing more disgusting,
vomit-inducing, than a crossbred between a human and a venomous
snake. They may look like humans, but they are not.
Sure there is. His address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
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| User: "William Stanton" |
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20 May 2007 08:16:42 PM |
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"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:brqdndgjwqQLc83bnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IsCdncEsDqkdy83bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
also.
It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get
to use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay
your rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain
name has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact
listed for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you
want to be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/registrant-name-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer
classes.
WS
Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
So Domain Name Owners Association is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever
instead. It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Go pay a lawyer and get a good answer. So easy, even YOU can do it.
You're stuck, so get unstuck, stuckle.
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| Title: Re: Godaddy.com, and Internet Menace? |
20 May 2007 08:33:29 PM |
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William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:brqdndgjwqQLc83bnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IsCdncEsDqkdy83bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com...
William Stanton wrote:
Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
also.
It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get
to use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay
your rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain
name has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact
listed for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you
want to be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/registrant-name-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer
classes.
WS
Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
So Domain Name Owners Association is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever
instead. It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
WS
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
Go pay a lawyer and get a good answer. So easy, even YOU can do it.
You're stuck, so get unstuck, stuckle.
So the ad hominim attacks begin. The last refuge of the incompetent.
--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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