Politics > Politics-USA > Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance'
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06 Feb 2006 11:05:38 PM |
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Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale."
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
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06 Feb 2006 11:58:40 PM |
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"sgt.b" <sgt.b@nomail.no> wrote in message
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"President Washington,
Wow. Was that by "electronic" pony express?
President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale."
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
07 Feb 2006 11:41:19 PM |
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"The Pretzel" <salted@sourdough.net> wrote:
"sgt.b" <sgt.b@nomail.no> wrote in message
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"President Washington,
Wow. Was that by "electronic" pony express?
Using pony satellites in orbit, yeah.
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"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating
any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgement of
his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all
totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." -- W. Churchill, Nov
21, 1943 (Or whether Christofascist Republican.)
"When the powers of state, that have been mandated to reach out and protect the
interest of people, begin to usurp the Constitution and undermine our laws,
people must rise up and speak against the regime. If the citizens fail to hear
that call, they should be charged with patriotic treason." -- Theodore Roosevelt,
the 26th President of the United States (1901-1909) (Every Bush Republican is
a traitor according to Theodore Roosevelt.)
"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale." - Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
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| User: "ClassWarz" |
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
06 Feb 2006 11:47:33 PM |
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"sgt.b" <sgt.b@nomail.no> wrote in message
news:khagu19utajsca2g5dd50k5j0ce53froj1@4ax.com...
"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale."
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
Alexander (not Hamilton) used electronic surveillance in 353 BC to conquer
Asia. Julius Caesar wept that he would never be able to spy on innocent
Gauls the way Alexander did in Persia.
ClassWarz
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| User: "Amy Likes Pot!" |
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
07 Feb 2006 11:12:51 AM |
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"ClassWarz" <Stop@RepubTotalitarianTendencies.org> wrote:
"sgt.b" <sgt.b@nomail.no> wrote in message
news:khagu19utajsca2g5dd50k5j0ce53froj1@4ax.com...
"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale."
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
Alexander (not Hamilton) used electronic surveillance in 353 BC to
conquer Asia. Julius Caesar wept that he would never be able to spy on
innocent Gauls the way Alexander did in Persia.
Yes, I remember reading that Alexander the Hacker was able to read emails
between the Persians and Doric Terrorists.
ClassWarz
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| User: "¥¥¥ Lance Van Ness ¥¥¥" |
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
07 Feb 2006 01:57:33 AM |
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"sgt.b" <sgt.b@nomail.no> wrote in message
news:khagu19utajsca2g5dd50k5j0ce53froj1@4ax.com...
"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale."
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
Committee Challenges Gonzales Domestic Spying Defense
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales insisted Monday that President Bush
is fully empowered to eavesdrop on Americans without warrants as part of the
war on terror, but his defense was challenged by Republican Sen. Arlen
Specter and committee Democrats during sometimes contentious questioning.
More Details
http://www.ktvu.com/news/6788101/detail.html?treets=fran&tid=2656305714813&tml=fran_12pm&tmi=fran_12pm_1_02000102062006&ts=H
Funny. Gonzales has proven what the Dems said back when they disputed
his appointment by Bush, that he was a Bush YES MAN and a total buffoon.
I only hope that when the Indictments come down, and they will,
Garbonzo Gonzales is right behind Bush's name on the list of Constitution
violators.
Don't forget folks, these are the same people who SWORE under oath to
PROTECT and OBEY the US Constitution. And they haven't.
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| User: "monkeyhawk" |
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07 Feb 2006 09:14:57 AM |
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"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale."
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
This is one of the strangest and most desperate arguments ever.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act became law in 1978, largely as a
result of Presidential abuses of Nixon....and Roosevelt, and Wilson, and
Lincoln...and ...tell me again just what *electronic* surveillance
Washington authorized again? What? Did he authorize "lightning rod
tapping" or something?
FISA set up a special court system that would authorize wiretaps at the drop
of a hat. Since 1978, more than 16000 applications for wire taps have been
sent to the FISA court. Six...count 'em... *6* have been denied.
Obviously, the technology exists that enables NSA to listen in on any phone
call they choose to. Obviously, the NSA has listened in on any phone call
they choose to. Obviously, the NSA didn't choose to listen in on any al
Qaeda phone calls that might have occurred between the time George WMD Bush
got a memo that said "Osama bin Laden Determined to Attack the U.S" and (one
month later) 9/11.
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not subject to
the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And, thanks to President
Nixon's abuse of electronic surveillance, FISA was made the law of the land;
a law George WMD Bush proudly boasts that he's breaking.
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| User: "False Document" |
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
07 Feb 2006 10:00:17 AM |
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:BR2Gf.354059$0l5.29217@dukeread06:
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not subject
to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And, thanks to
President Washington could not have ordered any form of electronic
surveillance. None at all.
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07 Feb 2006 10:12:44 AM |
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"False Document" <killer_pretzelNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:BR2Gf.354059$0l5.29217@dukeread06:
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not subject
to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And, thanks to
President Washington could not have ordered any form of electronic
surveillance. None at all.
Ya think?
I suppose you're gonna try and convince me Washington didn't have Stealth
Bombers at Yorktown, too.
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| User: "False Document" |
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
07 Feb 2006 10:15:05 AM |
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:UG3Gf.354290$0l5.43237@dukeread06:
"False Document" <killer_pretzelNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:BR2Gf.354059$0l5.29217@dukeread06:
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not
subject to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And,
thanks to
President Washington could not have ordered any form of electronic
surveillance. None at all.
Ya think?
I suppose you're gonna try and convince me Washington didn't have
Stealth Bombers at Yorktown, too.
He did actually. Except they were of the human variety.
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| User: "«::*¨. Lance Van Ness" |
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
07 Feb 2006 10:29:47 AM |
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"False Document" <killer_pretzelNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:UG3Gf.354290$0l5.43237@dukeread06:
"False Document" <killer_pretzelNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:BR2Gf.354059$0l5.29217@dukeread06:
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not
subject to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And,
thanks to
President Washington could not have ordered any form of electronic
surveillance. None at all.
Ya think?
I suppose you're gonna try and convince me Washington didn't have
Stealth Bombers at Yorktown, too.
He did actually. Except they were of the human variety.
If you are interested, here's the LIVE tape of Bush's appointee Gonzales'
stupid statement. It's hilarious:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/gonzales-Washing.mov
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| User: "False Document" |
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07 Feb 2006 10:33:04 AM |
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"«::*¨. Lance Van Ness" <www@NoPugs.net> wrote in
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"False Document" <killer_pretzelNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9763727B3B6ACkillerpretzelNOSPAMy@130.133.1.4...
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:UG3Gf.354290$0l5.43237@dukeread06:
"False Document" <killer_pretzelNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:BR2Gf.354059$0l5.29217@dukeread06:
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not
subject to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And,
thanks to
President Washington could not have ordered any form of electronic
surveillance. None at all.
Ya think?
I suppose you're gonna try and convince me Washington didn't have
Stealth Bombers at Yorktown, too.
He did actually. Except they were of the human variety.
If you are interested, here's the LIVE tape of Bush's appointee
Gonzales' stupid statement. It's hilarious:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/gonzales-Washing.mov
Thanks. I already posted the link in another thread.
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| User: "Amy Likes Pot!" |
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
07 Feb 2006 11:17:56 AM |
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote:
"False Document" <killer_pretzelNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:BR2Gf.354059$0l5.29217@dukeread06:
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not subject
to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And, thanks to
President Washington could not have ordered any form of electronic
surveillance. None at all.
Ya think?
I suppose you're gonna try and convince me Washington didn't have Stealth
Bombers at Yorktown, too.
He, in fact, didn't have stealth bombers; but he did have U2 spy balloons,
which he painted to look like UN balloons (in case the British shot them
down).
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
07 Feb 2006 10:38:37 AM |
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monkeyhawk wrote:
"False Document" <killer_pretzelNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:BR2Gf.354059$0l5.29217@dukeread06:
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not subject
to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And, thanks to
President Washington could not have ordered any form of electronic
surveillance. None at all.
Ya think?
Here's a transcript of the actual testimony.- A. McIntire
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=60537
Here are the pertinent statemtents:
"General Washington, for example, instructed his army to intercept
letters between British operatives, copy them, and then allow those
communications to go on their way.
President Lincoln used the warrantless wiretapping of telegraph
messages during the Civil War to discern the movements and intentions
of opposing troops.
President Wilson in World War I authorized the military to intercept
each and every cable, telephone and telegraph communication going into
or out of the United States.
During World War II, President Roosevelt instructed the government to
use listening devices to learn the plans of spies in the United States.
He also gave the military the authority to review, without warrant, all
telecommunications, quote, "passing between the United States and any
foreign country."
The far more focused terrorist surveillance program fully satisfies the
reasonableness requirement of the Fourth Amendment"
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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07 Feb 2006 11:16:38 AM |
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False Document wrote:
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:BR2Gf.354059$0l5.29217@dukeread06:
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not subject
to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And, thanks to
President Washington could not have ordered any form of electronic
surveillance. None at all.
Correct. Muddy Waters hadn't invented electricity yet.
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| User: "«::*¨. Lance Van Ness" |
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| Title: Re: Gonzales: 'Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, authorized electronic surveillance' |
07 Feb 2006 11:31:18 AM |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont@TheShadow.com> wrote in message
news:WB4Gf.1591$Ql1.301@chiapp18.algx.net...
False Document wrote:
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in
news:BR2Gf.354059$0l5.29217@dukeread06:
Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt were not subject
to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And, thanks to
President Washington could not have ordered any form of electronic
surveillance. None at all.
Correct. Muddy Waters hadn't invented electricity yet.
Yeah and Jimmy Hendrix's hookah was really a microphone back to Nixon's
White House.
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| User: "ggg" |
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07 Feb 2006 12:27:38 AM |
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BOZOLES
"sgt.b" <sgt.b@nomail.no> wrote in message
news:khagu19utajsca2g5dd50k5j0ce53froj1@4ax.com...
"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale."
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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07 Feb 2006 11:40:11 PM |
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sgt.b <sgt.b@nomail.no> wrote:
"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale." - Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
He's a Republican. Speaks volumes and explains a lot.
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"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating
any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgement of
his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all
totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." -- W. Churchill, Nov
21, 1943 (Or whether Christofascist Republican.)
"When the powers of state, that have been mandated to reach out and protect the
interest of people, begin to usurp the Constitution and undermine our laws,
people must rise up and speak against the regime. If the citizens fail to hear
that call, they should be charged with patriotic treason." -- Theodore Roosevelt,
the 26th President of the United States (1901-1909) (Every Bush Republican is
a traitor according to Theodore Roosevelt.)
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07 Feb 2006 10:34:41 AM |
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sgt.b wrote:
"President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President
Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader
scale."
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, today's Senate testimony
That's an obvious lie. Here's a transcript of the actual
testimony.- A. McIntire
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=60537
Here are the pertinent statemtents:
"General Washington, for example, instructed his army to intercept
letters between British operatives, copy them, and then allow those
communications to go on their way.
President Lincoln used the warrantless wiretapping of telegraph
messages during the Civil War to discern the movements and intentions
of opposing troops.
President Wilson in World War I authorized the military to intercept
each and every cable, telephone and telegraph communication going into
or out of the United States.
During World War II, President Roosevelt instructed the government to
use listening devices to learn the plans of spies in the United States.
He also gave the military the authority to review, without warrant, all
telecommunications, quote, "passing between the United States and any
foreign country."
The far more focused terrorist surveillance program fully satisfies the
reasonableness requirement of the Fourth Amendment"
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