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User: "GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla"
Date: 19 Sep 2004 04:20:45 PM
Object: GOP Cozies Up To the Hand-Wringing Tinfoil-Hat Wingnut Vote
05:07 PM EST - September 19, 2004
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON
Playing on the fear factor, Vice President ***** Cheney suggested in a campaign
speech there might be another terrorist attack on the United States if John
Kerry were in the White House. President Bush's opponents' are raising their
own worst fears, including the potential for more wars during a second Bush
term.
"That's fear-mongering," said Joseph Carafano, a 25-year Army veteran and former
West Point professor who now is an analyst with the conservative Heritage
Foundation.
The rhetoric continued during the weekend. House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.,
speaking at a Saturday night fund-raiser in DeKalb, Ill., said his opinion is
that the al-Qaida terror network could operate better with Kerry in the White
House instead of Bush. Kerry's running mate, John Edwards, issued a statement
Sunday accusing Hastert of using the "politics of fear," which Edwards said is
a "clear sign of weakness and failed leadership."
With fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq far from over, a Pew Research Center Poll
found that 51 percent of voters surveyed said they do worry that Bush, if
re-elected, would lead the country into another war.
"The Bush administration is on a crusade to make the world safe for democracy
and part of that ... is eliminating countries of anti-Western aggression," said
Loren Thompson, a military analyst at the Lexington Institute think tank in
Washington.
"They may not like me to say that on the eve of the election, but that's a
fact," Thompson said. "It's less likely to happen with a Kerry administration."
Both Bush and Democrat Kerry have said they prefer diplomacy to deal with Iran
and North Korea, which joined Iraq in "an axis of evil," as described by the
president.
Under Bush, there is "reason for apprehension" because of his administration's
"actions and rhetoric" over the past four years, said Ted Galen Carpenter of
the libertarian Cato Institute.
Carpenter also cited among Bush's conservative supporters a "deep concern ...
and fairly militant attitude" that the United States needs to "do something"
about Iran, North Korea, Syria and perhaps other governments.
"In some extreme neoconservative circles," there have also been calls for
"coercive measures against Saudi Arabia," Carpenter noted.
Those who think more wars in a second Bush administration are unlikely point out
that there are not enough U.S. troops, given that the Pentagon already is
struggling to keep up with violence in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Others say the administration has no taste for another war after the unexpected
difficulties of Iraq, and the bar has been raised for Congress and the American
public as well. They say Americans will not so easily support another war after
learning that prewar intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was
false.
"I really don't think, absent something like an invasion of South Korea (by
communist rival North Korea), that we could sustain another one," Carafano
said.
If forced into it by such a provocation, the Pentagon could most certainly do it
by mobilizing more National Guard and Reserve troops and calling on allies,
Carafano said.
But that would take the armed forces "to the edge," said Carafano, and would
mean years to reconstitute the military in terms of troops readiness and
resupplying equipment.
Others note that while the Army is stretched extremely thin now, the Air Force
and Navy are not.
"So the talk that you hear within the conservative community about perhaps
taking strong measures against Iran or North Korea would be feasible if it were
confined to air strikes," Carpenter said. "Those who are concerned that a
second Bush presidency might go down that path might have some foundation for
their concerns."
Some fear the United States could provoke a war - even if it did not fire the
first shot - by focusing on tough talk and actions, rather than negotiations.
"It's this process of bluster and threat and escalation that could lead to war,"
said Michael O'Hanlon of the liberal-leaning Brookings Institute. "I don't want
to say that the chance of war is particularly high, but I think it would be
higher under Bush than under Kerry."
On North Korea, Kerry favors direct negotiations. Bush has instead collective
talks involving six countries.
With Iran, some fear any effort to aid anti-government forces could get the
United States "deeply involved in Iran's internal politics with unpredictable
consequences," Carpenter said.
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me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3/tdntb-bushwack2.mp3
.

User: "Docky Wocky"

Title: Re: GOP Cozies Up To the Hand-Wringing Tinfoil-Hat Wingnut Vote 19 Sep 2004 08:10:55 PM
from chimpzilla:
"Playing on the fear factor, Vice President ***** Cheney suggested in a
campaign
speech there might be another terrorist attack on the United States if John
Kerry were in the White House..."
______________________________
Mr. Chimpzilla knows Hanoi Johnny would prevent attacks by moslem nuts.
Mr. Chimpzilla has not the slightest idea of how Hanoi Johnny plans on
preventing attacks by moslem nuts, but he must trust Hanoi Johnny for some
reason.
Mr. Chimpzilla could not explain why he has this trust in Hanoi Johnny, but
he does.
What Mr. Chimpzilla is going to do or say when Hanoi Johnny flips and echoes
Cheney is not known.
Whaat Mr. Chimpzilla is going to do or say when Hanoi Johnny flops and says
Cheney and him were right about another terrorist attack if Hanoi Johnny was
in the White House.
That's the best thing about Hanoi Johnny. You just know he is going to flip,
or maybe flop, even, if given a week or so to think about his official
positions.
.
User: "Sir Cumference"

Title: Re: GOP Cozies Up To the Hand-Wringing Tinfoil-Hat Wingnut Vote 19 Sep 2004 08:39:44 PM
Docky Wocky wrote:

from chimpzilla:


"Playing on the fear factor, Vice President ***** Cheney suggested in a
campaign
speech there might be another terrorist attack on the United States if John
Kerry were in the White House..."

I think that is a given. I think there will be a terrorists attack no
matter who is in the white house. If Kerry is there he will apologize to
the terrorists for the US making them mad.
.


User: "Republickin Patriot"

Title: Re: GOP Cozies Up To the Hand-Wringing Tinfoil-Hat Wingnut Vote 19 Sep 2004 04:34:05 PM
gorge bush saved america from kerry when he fluw
his plain into all those buldins on 911 kiling milions
of americans and if kerry gets electred he will fly
more planes into our buldins becus he is a tererest
only gorge bush can save us from kerry the tererest
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NKm3d.12060$wV.11533@attbi_s54...

05:07 PM EST - September 19, 2004
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON

Playing on the fear factor, Vice President ***** Cheney suggested in a

campaign

speech there might be another terrorist attack on the United States if

John

Kerry were in the White House. President Bush's opponents' are raising

their

own worst fears, including the potential for more wars during a second

Bush

term.

"That's fear-mongering," said Joseph Carafano, a 25-year Army veteran and

former

West Point professor who now is an analyst with the conservative Heritage
Foundation.

The rhetoric continued during the weekend. House Speaker Dennis Hastert,

R-Ill.,

speaking at a Saturday night fund-raiser in DeKalb, Ill., said his opinion

is

that the al-Qaida terror network could operate better with Kerry in the

White

House instead of Bush. Kerry's running mate, John Edwards, issued a

statement

Sunday accusing Hastert of using the "politics of fear," which Edwards

said is

a "clear sign of weakness and failed leadership."

With fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq far from over, a Pew Research Center

Poll

found that 51 percent of voters surveyed said they do worry that Bush, if
re-elected, would lead the country into another war.

"The Bush administration is on a crusade to make the world safe for

democracy

and part of that ... is eliminating countries of anti-Western aggression,"

said

Loren Thompson, a military analyst at the Lexington Institute think tank

in

Washington.

"They may not like me to say that on the eve of the election, but that's a
fact," Thompson said. "It's less likely to happen with a Kerry

administration."


Both Bush and Democrat Kerry have said they prefer diplomacy to deal with

Iran

and North Korea, which joined Iraq in "an axis of evil," as described by

the

president.

Under Bush, there is "reason for apprehension" because of his

administration's

"actions and rhetoric" over the past four years, said Ted Galen Carpenter

of

the libertarian Cato Institute.

Carpenter also cited among Bush's conservative supporters a "deep concern

....

and fairly militant attitude" that the United States needs to "do

something"

about Iran, North Korea, Syria and perhaps other governments.

"In some extreme neoconservative circles," there have also been calls for
"coercive measures against Saudi Arabia," Carpenter noted.

Those who think more wars in a second Bush administration are unlikely

point out

that there are not enough U.S. troops, given that the Pentagon already is
struggling to keep up with violence in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Others say the administration has no taste for another war after the

unexpected

difficulties of Iraq, and the bar has been raised for Congress and the

American

public as well. They say Americans will not so easily support another war

after

learning that prewar intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

was

false.

"I really don't think, absent something like an invasion of South Korea

(by

communist rival North Korea), that we could sustain another one," Carafano
said.

If forced into it by such a provocation, the Pentagon could most certainly

do it

by mobilizing more National Guard and Reserve troops and calling on

allies,

Carafano said.

But that would take the armed forces "to the edge," said Carafano, and

would

mean years to reconstitute the military in terms of troops readiness and
resupplying equipment.

Others note that while the Army is stretched extremely thin now, the Air

Force

and Navy are not.

"So the talk that you hear within the conservative community about perhaps
taking strong measures against Iran or North Korea would be feasible if it

were

confined to air strikes," Carpenter said. "Those who are concerned that a
second Bush presidency might go down that path might have some foundation

for

their concerns."

Some fear the United States could provoke a war - even if it did not fire

the

first shot - by focusing on tough talk and actions, rather than

negotiations.


"It's this process of bluster and threat and escalation that could lead to

war,"

said Michael O'Hanlon of the liberal-leaning Brookings Institute. "I don't

want

to say that the chance of war is particularly high, but I think it would

be

higher under Bush than under Kerry."

On North Korea, Kerry favors direct negotiations. Bush has instead

collective

talks involving six countries.

With Iran, some fear any effort to aid anti-government forces could get

the

United States "deeply involved in Iran's internal politics with

unpredictable

consequences," Carpenter said.

http://www.xposed.com/headline_news/90_ds_994679.aspx
--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas -- that says,

fool

me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3/tdntb-bushwack2.mp3

.
User: "Zim"

Title: Re: GOP Cozies Up To the Hand-Wringing Tinfoil-Hat Wingnut Vote 19 Sep 2004 07:20:46 PM
"Republickin Patriot" <RepublickinPatriot@cox.net> wrote...

gorge bush saved america from kerry when he fluw
his plain into all those buldins on 911 kiling milions
of americans and if kerry gets electred he will fly
more planes into our buldins becus he is a tererest
only gorge bush can save us from kerry the tererest

LOL! I almost took you seriously for a moment, but I see you are a
performance artist. Very good, indeed.
.



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