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Date: 09 Jun 2006 09:28:59 AM
Object: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks
GOP strategists defend Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows---
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009
In the uproar resulting from inflammatory statements made by right-wing
pundit Ann Coulter in her new book -- and highlighted by NBC's Matt Lauer in
an interview with Coulter on the Today show -- numerous media figures and
Republican strategists have defended Coulter and her remarks. Coulter's
comment that has perhaps drawn the most attention is an attack on the widows
of 9-11 victims, appearing on Page 103 of Godless: The Church of Liberalism
(Crown Forum), and read by Lauer: "These broads are millionaires, lionized
on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities
and stalked by grief-arazzis. I've never seen people enjoying their
husbands' deaths so much."
Coulter's defenders have offered rationalizations for that and other smears.
A Media Matters for America review of June 7 and 8 media coverage revealed
the following examples:
Fox News' Sandy Rios
On the June 7 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, Fox News contributor
Sandy Rios stated that Coulter's "words are laser-focused on the truth,"
comparing them to "Holocaust pictures" that "we have to see ... to
understand what happened." Rios also compared Coulter's words to a "clarion
wake-up call," and "cold water" that -- in O'Reilly's words -- "wakes you
up." Rios further praised Coulter's "gift of words and imagery," calling her
"unique" and "frank" and adding that "she plays an important role."
Rios echoed Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows, claiming incomprehensibly that
just because they "lost their husbands in an accidental bombing [emphasis
added]" that "does not give them license to then criticize the commander in
chief." Rios also stated that "we're living in a time where a lot of people
enjoy the death of their loved ones" and that "people are making a lot of
money off the death of their loved ones," calling this "a culture that
probably needs to be exposed."
Republican strategist Jack Burkman
On the June 7 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country, Republican strategist
Jack Burkman defended Coulter's statements "[a]ll the way," asserting that
Coulter "understates the point" and is "telling the truth." Burkman added
that the 9-11 widows -- whom he compared to anti-war protestor Cindy
Sheehan -- "exploited commercially" the deaths of their loved ones, that
they had "breathlessly ... stepped just into the fame thing," and that
"before the bodies are cold, they're out selling and trying to make money."
He further argued that Osama bin Laden is "shocked" and "amazed" because of
"what these women have done and others have done with 9-11, they have
commercialized him." Burkman later added that "because of this PC thing,"
the 9-11 widows "get away with it."
Fox News' Sean Hannity
During a fawning interview on the June 7 edition of Fox News' Hannity &
Colmes, host Sean Hannity asked Coulter a series of leading questions --
paraphrasing her attacks on the 9-11 widows -- and praised her for
"accept[ing] a challenge" to debate the 9-11 widows "on the issues" on a
future edition of the program. Hannity's leading questions and comments to
Coulter included:
a.. "You're saying that liberalism cannot be sold by the people in office,
and you feel people like Cindy Sheehan ... Jack Murtha, who was a former
Marine... [t]he Jersey Girls ... are being used by the left to make points
that they [liberals] cannot make on their own. Isn't that the point of the
chapter?"
a.. "You're saying they've entered the political arena. Now, I've gone and
I've been looking at some of the comments, for example, of the Jersey Women
in particular. ... [T]hey have been harsh about [Secretary of State] Condi
Rice, about [White House senior adviser] Karl Rove ... about President Bush,
very outspoken. They were on the campaign trail with [Sen.] John Edwards
[D-NC] and with [Sen.] John Kerry [D-MA]. ... So basically what you're
saying is, if they're going to enter the political arena separate from the
loss of their husbands, that now this is a dialogue. If they call the
president a liar, this is now a dialogue. And you're saying most people
won't dare get engaged with them because of what they've been through."
a.. "[T]he point here is, is that they [the 9-11 widows] have taken a
strong, a harsh line politically against the president, that they name-call
on their side, and that now it's time to challenge them, based on what these
issues are, because they've gotten a pass because of their positions."
Republican strategist Karen Hanretty
Also on the July 7 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, Republican strategist
Karen Hanretty asserted that Coulter's attacks on the 9-11 widows were not
"mean spirited," but rather "tongue-in-cheek," "satire," and examples of
"Ann's own personal style." Hanretty further argued that "this entire
discussion" of Coulter's book "proves the point" that "liberals regularly
trot out these heroes, or as she calls them, 'human shields' that
Republicans can't refute."
CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck
On the June 8 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, CNN Headline
News host Glenn Beck stated emphatically that Coulter was "right" about the
"9-11 wives." Beck agreed with Coulter that "[j]ust because you lost
somebody in a tragedy doesn't mean that you get a free pass for the rest of
your life." Beck also stated: "I like Ann Coulter," and said he did not
"have a problem" with her characterization of some 9-11 widows as "the
witches of East Brunswick [N.J.]." But he said he had "a real problem" with
her assertion that those widows were "enjoying the death of their spouse" --
a comment he dubbed a rhetorical "hand grenade."
From the June 7 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: Now for the top story tonight, another view of this, joining us
from Chicago, Fox News contributor Sandy Rios, a conservative analyst. Where
am I going wrong here Sandy?
RIOS: Well, Bill, I think, I don't disagree with your basic premise. I
mean, it is certainly not my choice to attack people. However, we are living
in strange times. And I think while everybody else is making nice, Ann's
words are laser-focused on truth. She says things that no one else dares say
and it kind of made me think about, for instance, holocaust pictures. Do we
have to see pictures of emaciated bodies to understand what happened? It's
kind of offensive. But, you know what? Yes, we do.
Sometimes I think Ann's words, yes, as harsh as they are, they are like a
clarion wake-up call, like cold water, like, "Stop it!" Because women have
lost their husbands in an accidental bombing, which is tragic, and we have
great sympathy for them, does not give them license to then criticize the
commander in chief, to work against --
O'REILLY: Whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa. Hold it. They're American citizens. They
can criticize the commander in chief all day long.
RIOS: And they can be criticized in return.
O'REILLY: You can criticize their criticism, absolutely. Look, there's
nobody who did more damage to Cindy Sheehan in this country than I did, but
I did it by exposing her agenda.
RIOS: Yes you did, Bill. I agree.
O'REILLY: Telling people who was behind her movement, who was paying the
bills, who was running her. I did not, I did not, I did not call the woman
any names, disparage her as an American citizen or do any of that. And if I
had, I would have lost the debate instead of Cindy Sheehan losing
credibility in my opinion.
RIOS: You know, I know that that's true. Bill, I like the way you did that
and I thank goodness you did. But I would say that Ann is a unique person. I
don't believe Ann does this stuff for theatrics. I think she really believes
what she is saying and she has certainly a gift of words and imagery.
O'REILLY: If you're going to stand by that Sandy, then Ann Coulter writes
in her book that these people are enjoying their husband's deaths. Now, come
on, you know that's not true. That's brutal to say something like that.
RIOS: It is brutal. But Bill, I would say this, I do think we're living in
a time where a lot of people enjoy the death of their loved ones. I know
that sounds terrible.
O'REILLY: It sounds awful. In order to say that to specific people, you're
going to have to prove it.
RIOS: No, I know that. Personally, I would not say it, but I am telling
you that I think it's true that people are making a lot of money off the
death of their loved ones in a lot of different cases.
O'REILLY: That may be true.
RIOS: Or the disability of their loved ones and I think we've kind of
gotten into a culture of that that probably needs to be exposed. And how do
you say that?
O'REILLY: All right. But here's the point. Ms. Coulter has a good point
about these women being used by one spectrum of the political debate in this
country. That is a valid point. That's why I used the David Letterman clip.
It is absolutely valid. But by calling these women "witches, harpies," by
saying that they should poise in Playboy, and all of these things, she
diminishes her argument, don't you get that? She then becomes an object of
derision herself, and then what her is point gets lost. Do you think Matt
Lauer or any of these people care about the point she made? No, they are
after her.
RIOS: Yes, Bill. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I actually do
agree with you and when I dialogue and argue about these things, I try never
to make them personal. But, I think Ann is unique and I think she plays a
unique role and I think her words are like, it's like cold water.
O'REILLY: It wakes you up.
RIOS: Yes.
O'REILLY: Do you think she enjoys this? Is this fun for Ann Coulter now to
put herself in the crosshairs of the nation once again? Do you think she
enjoys it?
RIOS: I don't know, Bill. I can't imagine that she enjoys this kind of
criticism.
O'REILLY: I'm going to ask her tomorrow. She is coming on The Radio
Factor. She's coming on The Radio Factor.
RIOS: She loves to be combative, but I don't think she enjoys this harsh
criticism back. I think she really believes --
O'REILLY: What she really believes that those people are enjoying their
husband's demise? Come on. I don't think she believes that.
RIOS: I think she -- yeah, I believe that Ann probably does believe that.
I don't think she can know that.
O'REILLY: All right. Anyway, look, we're going to talk to her on the radio
tomorrow. We're gonna have a -- she is very frank with me, Ann is. And we'll
see what she says --
RIOS: And that's what is so refreshing about Ann Coulter. She is very
frank. She plays an important role, I think.
O'REILLY: Appreciate it, Sandy. And we'll have more on the Coulter
controversy a bit later on.
[...]
HANRETTY: Well, you know, I picked up Ann Coulter's book today. I read
Chapter 5, starting on Page 99, which talks about the Jersey women, as
they've become to be known, actually the Jersey Girls.
And I think that if you read some of what Ann Coulter is saying and you
put it into context, I don't think it's mean-spirited. I think a lot of it
is sort of tongue-in-cheek. And Ann's own personal style probably wouldn't
be my style or yours or [National Public Radio correspondent and Fox News
analyst] Juan [William]'s; it's certainly Ann's style.
And I doubt Hillary Clinton did bother to pick up the book or read it, but
I'll bet she did read the excerpts in the news on the news today on the
Drudge Report and everywhere else.
And, quite frankly, I think that this entire discussion evolving around
Ann Coulter right now, in fact, proves the point that she is making in
Chapter 5 of her book, which is that liberals regularly trot out these
heroes or, as she calls them, "human shields" that Republicans can't refute.
So if you want to talk about the war on terror, they'll drag out Cindy
Sheehan and say, well, you can't -- as you well know -- you can't criticize
Cindy Sheehan because her son died in the war. Or --
O'REILLY: Now, look, that's a legitimate point. But, Karen, for you to sit
there and say that writing in a book that the four women from New Jersey are
enjoying their husband's deaths is not --
HANRETTY: These are not just any four women, Bill.
O'REILLY: That's not mean-spirited? That's kind of a stunning statement
for you to make. I mean --
HANRETTY: Well, I think you need to put it into context. I don't know if
you actually read the chapter.
O'REILLY: I did read the chapter, and I read it. And I read it, like 18
times, because I said, you know, I mean, she doesn't know how these women
are grieving. No one does.
HANRETTY: I agree. I agree.
O'REILLY: And to say that they're enjoying their husband's deaths, I
can't -- I'm sorry.
HANRETTY: There isn't much --
O'REILLY: I mean, calling them -- calling them the witches of New
Brunswick and all of that, yes, hyperbole and, you know, satire, Jonathan
Swift, whatever.
HANRETTY: That was satire. That was the reference to the whole Witches of
Eastwick. And if people catch that reference, I don't know. Does everything
that Ann Coulter says in that chapter about these four women, and these are
not just any old ordinary four widows, mind you. That should also be pointed
out. These are political activists who have gone after --
O'REILLY: They are -- they are definitely activists.
[crosstalk]
HANRETTY: They have attacked Condoleezza Rice.
O'REILLY: But you could have done that -- you could have done that as I
have done, and I did with Ms. Sheehan, as we pointed out, in another way.
From the June 7 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country, with Scarborough,
Burkman, and Air America radio host Mike Papantonio:
SCARBOROUGH: Jack Burkman, it's getting very ugly out there. Can you
defend the comments of Ann Coulter?
BURKMAN: All the way, Joe! At the risk of being still more controversial
this week, if anything, in a lot of ways, I think she understates the point.
Ann is telling the truth! Regardless of the language -- maybe some of her
language is inflammatory. My God's sakes, she's selling books. These women
exploited the deaths of their husbands. That's what they did. They did it --
they did it before the bodies were cold. They rushed into television, to
media, to books --
SCARBOROUGH: Jack, if my family members died --
[crosstalk]
SCARBOROUGH: Hold on, Jack. If my family members died on 9-11, I would be
raising hell, too, if I didn't think the government did everything they
should have done.
BURKMAN: Well, yes, Joe --
PAPANTONIO: You know, Joe -- Joe --
[crosstalk]
BURKMAN: You have a point, but the issue is that -- what I would argue,
and I think what Ann is arguing, is that was not their motivation. Sure,
they can cut ads for John Kerry. They can have whatever type of political
and economic view, and there's nothing wrong with selling books. But what is
morally wrong is when you exploit the death of your family members to do
that and to make money!
You know, Osama bin Laden is sitting tonight in a cave somewhere in the
subcontinent, and he's amazed. You know why? He's shocked because what we
have done, what these women have done, and others have done with 9-11, they
have commercialized him. They've taken 9-11 and --
[...]
SCARBOROUGH: Let's stop. We want to stay on this 9-11 widows issue and not
go back to Oklahoma City. Jack Burkman, Hillary Clinton stepped into the
fray, and her comments were that Coulter was vicious and mean- spirited. Can
you agree with Senator Clinton that perhaps Ann Coulter should have used her
words more -- chosen her words more carefully?
BURKMAN: You know, Joe, I really can't. In fact, in this society, we have
too much PC. You know, Ann had said this. I had that thought five years ago
when I saw how breathlessly these women stepped into just the fame thing.
You know, they remind me of Cindy Sheehan and so many other people who
before the bodies are cold, they're out selling and trying to make money.
But I would say this. You know, my worthy adversary today, my opponent,
he's -- he doesn't -- he has not addressed the charge. He refuses to do
that. The only thing he will comment on is Ann Coulter's past. And so let me
ask him this question. Do you feel -- looking at these women, don't you have
to agree that they were immoral in the fast way in which, the speedy way in
which they exploited commercially their husbands' deaths?
[...]
SCARBOROUGH: I want to play another Ann Coulter clip. She appeared on
[MSNBC's] The Situation with Tucker Carlson last night and didn't back down.
Take a look at what she said.
COULTER [video clip]: Why can't we hear these half-baked liberal bromides
from Howard Dean? Why do liberals always choose spokesmen like the "Jersey
Girls," like Cindy Sheehan, like Joe Wilson, who, because of some personal
aspect of their life, we are not allowed to respond.
SCARBOROUGH: Jack Burkman?
BURKMAN: Joe, I think there is a -- Ann is right on the money. I think she
was eloquent and articulate. I will not shrink from the truth. I will tell
you, there is a powerful growing and disturbing trend in this country of
people, when their loved ones die, they exploit it, they rush right into
the -- they rush right into fold, and because -- they rush right to the
fore -- and because of this PC thing, where you can't criticize someone in
the media if there's been a death in their family, they get away with it.
From the June 7 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: "Coulter the Cruel." From what I understand, even Hillary was
attacking you today.
COULTER: Yes.
HANNITY: And what were her comments?
COULTER: She said the book should have been named "Heartless." It was mean
to these women. And I responded to the New York Times reporter asking for a
comment that, before Hillary refers to other people being mean to women, she
should talk to her husband, who was accused of rape by Juanita Broaddrick
and was groping Kathleen Willey simultaneously with her own spouse
committing suicide. Maybe she should talk to her husband about being mean to
women.
HANNITY: Let me start -- let's set the controversy for the book, because I
actually read the book cover to cover, and I read the chapter in question
here.
COULTER: Thank you.
HANNITY: You're making a broader point. You're saying that liberalism
cannot be sold by the people in office, and you feel people like Cindy
Sheehan, who lost a son in Iraq --
COULTER: Right.
HANNITY: -- Jack Murtha, who was a former Marine --
COULTER: Right.
HANNITY: -- these four -- what you call Jersey women.
COULTER: They call themselves the Jersey Girls.
HANNITY: The Jersey Girls, they lost husbands on 9-11.
COULTER: Right, along with thousands of other women, yes.
HANNITY: And you are saying that they are being used by the left to make
points that they cannot make on their own. Isn't that the point of the
chapter?
COULTER: Yes, it's liberal infallibility. They used to have complete, 100
percent control of news dissemination in America. They lost that with Fox
News, with talk radio, with the Internet. So then they started complaining
about, you know, angry voices, political dialogue has never been so
divisive. And then people remember the sweetness and light we were getting
from the left during, say, the [Supreme Court nominee Robert] Bork hearings,
so that wasn't really working.
So now they send out spokespeople who, because of some personal tragedy,
we're not allowed to respond to, because their husbands died in 9-11,
because they had a son die in Iraq. If they're making a point worth making,
they are entering the public dialogue, how about letting Howard Dean make
the point?
HANNITY: All right, but here's -- here -- I guess this is what people are
saying. This is why you're on the front page of the tabloids in New York.
You're saying they've entered the political arena. Now, I've gone and I've
been looking at some of the comments, for example, of the Jersey women in
particular.
COULTER: Right.
HANNITY: They have been very harsh about Condi Rice, about Karl Rove --
COULTER: Oh, yes.
HANNITY: -- about President Bush, very outspoken. They were on the
campaign trail with John Edwards and with John Kerry.
COULTER: Right. They cut a campaign commercial for Kerry.
HANNITY: They cut a campaign -- so basically what you're saying is, if
they're going to enter the political arena separate from the loss of their
husbands, that now this is a dialogue. If they call the president a liar,
this is now a dialogue. And you're saying most people won't dare get engaged
with them because of what they've been through, which is the purpose of --
COULTER: That's certainly been true until now. I think I've opened it up
now. I think I've broken the taboo.
HANNITY: Well, let me -- here's -- this is, I guess, where people say,
"All right, but did Ann Coulter go too far?" "These self-obsessed women seem
genuinely unaware that 9-11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if it
happened only to them." "These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV" --
COULTER: That's true.
HANNITY: -- "and in articles reveling in their status as celebrities,
stalked by the grief-arazzis. I've never seen people enjoying their
husbands' death so much."
COULTER: That's right.
HANNITY: This is the heart of it. Did that take it out of the arena of
debate and go to the personal?
COULTER: The truth cannot be delivered with novocain. There have been
plenty of precious, little acerbic articles written about these women.
No, the truth comes out screaming and bops people on the head. Now,
Americans recognize this, and I think, in the future, they won't fall for
this practice of liberals foisting their unassailable political opinions on
us by using a victim we're not allowed to respond to.
They immunize the message by choosing a messenger with a tragedy. I've had
it with that.
And, by the way, all of this great pain and hurt my book has caused them,
[Kristin] Breitweiser's [9-11 widow and "Jersey Girl"] response to it was to
say, "To respond to Ann Coulter is as ridiculous as Congress debating gay
marriage." Now, does that sound like a woman who's hurt or does that sound
like a woman who's appealing to her Hollywood set?
HANNITY: Let me ask this. You feel sorry that these women lost their
husbands.
COULTER: I feel sorry for all of the widows of 9-11.
HANNITY: Everybody.
COULTER: I do not believe that sanctifies their message or deserves
special sanctions...
HANNITY: Their political message.
COULTER: Their political message. That is what we're talking about here.
They're the ones who claimed to be responsible for the 9-11 Commission, a
total [President Bill] Clinton whitewash commission. They have attacked
Bush; they have attacked Condoleezza Rice. They're cutting campaign
commercials for Kerry, but we can't respond because their husbands died.
HANNITY: But that's still --
COULTER: No, I've had it with this liberal infallibility, and I think a
lot of Americans are seething with anger that we can't respond. Put up
somebody we can respond to.
HANNITY: There were some very -- there were some very specific charges by
some of the women from Jersey about the president and how the president
should have responded, how the president didn't react.
COULTER: Right, right.
HANNITY: And in the book, in this specific chapter, you go into a long
dialogue about, well, the leading up to this in the Clinton years.
COULTER: Right.
HANNITY: And so what you're saying is this is a --
COULTER: But they like what Clinton did.
HANNITY: But the point here is, is that they have taken a strong, a harsh
line politically against the president, that they name-call on their side,
and that now it's time to challenge them, based on what these issues are,
because they've gotten a pass because of their positions.
COULTER: Right. And it is entirely premised on a tragedy happening to
them. As -- as I was saying last -- I think [co-host] Alan [Colmes]
interrupted me, so it may not have gotten out -- I think this is one of the
ugliest things the left has done to political dialogue in this country, this
idea that you need some sort of personal authenticity in order to make a
political point.
I mean, can I not talk to you about the Irish potato famine because I
don't understand it? Can you not talk to me about women? No, how about let's
just debate and cut the personal authenticity?
Moreover, you know, liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly
honor. Instead, all they have is womanly indignation. They just love being
indignant, indignant. Does this mean they accept the other ideas in my book?
Does this mean, you know, Darwinism, everything I say about Darwinism being
a crock, that's all settled here?
No, they just settle on one little thing, so that they can express
indignation.
HANNITY: I want to tell you what we've done.
You have accepted a challenge to -- on the issues, you will debate any of
these women or all of these women tomorrow night, if they want to come. And
you've accepted our invitation.
COULTER: Sure, but I'm not going to treat them like victims, as, you know,
Cindy Sheehan -- and, oh, you can't talk about -- respond to Joe Wilson,
because he has a wife at the CIA. Well, the only reason he has any knowledge
of which he claimed to have insider knowledge was because his wife worked at
the CIA.
So to immunize his attack on the president by saying, "You can't mention
his wife works at the CIA," I mean, if that was so dangerous, which it
wasn't -- she wasn't undercover -- but if it were, how about not writing an
op-ed for The New York Times attacking the president? Don't keep up putting
up messengers we're not allowed to respond to.
HANNITY: All right, Ann Coulter, thanks for being with us.
COULTER: Thank you, thank you.
From the June 8 broadcast of The Glenn Beck Show:
BECK: Also an interview with Michael Berg. That's Nick Berg's dad. I
haven't heard the CNN version yet, I heard it on Fox this morning. I've seen
it played a couple of times on CNN in the morning with what's her name,
Soledad [O'Brien]. Dan, have you heard it with Soledad?
DAN ANDROS (producer): I heard it, like the last 2 minutes of it.
BECK: She's somebody who doesn't like me a lot. She thinks I'm a
hatemonger.
ANDROS: That's weird.
BECK: Yes. Who would have guessed that coming?
ANDROS: Couldn't see it.
BECK: But so you did hear it did, you say?
ANDROS: Yes.
BECK: You did hear it. Is it a love-fest?
ANDROS: It's not a love-fest, but she's very somber in it. She's very,
"Oh, I don't want to offend you in any way. You've lost a son."
BECK: So what -- does that give you a free pass for the rest of your life?
Does that give you a free pass? I don't think it does. I really don't. It's
like everyone's coming out against Ann Coulter. I don't know, I'm really
torn -- we'll get into this later -- I'm really torn on Ann Coulter. I don't
know how to feel about Ann Coulter. I mean, I like Ann Coulter. I like some
of the things that she says. Some of the things, she's just like -- she
throws hand grenades. And she's not -- I don't think she's trying to do it
for comedy. I think she just -- she has no -- there's no filter on her, you
know what I mean? And maybe that's a good thing. I'm not sure. I don't know.
But what she said about the 9-11 wives? Right! She's right! Those -- those
four women that she is specifically addressing, she's right about. Can't you
say those things? Just because you lost somebody in a tragedy doesn't mean
that you get a free pass for the rest of your life. I mean, at least part of
it she's right about.
[...]
BECK: All right. The other thing I want to get to is Ann Coulter. I don't
know how I feel about Ann Coulter. I mean, I like Ann Coulter. And yet, at
the same time I'm torn. And here's what I was thinking. I, you know, was
just talking to Pat, my best friend in Houston, about this. And Pat's like
"Aw, Jesus, is Ann Coulter too harsh for you." I said, well, I think Ann
Coulter is kind of like Al Franken. You know, Ann Coulter -- well no. No.
Ann Coulter is actually funny, Al Franken is not. But Al Franken just throws
grenades just to throw grenades. You know what I mean? He says the most
outrageous things he can say just to sell a book. And don't get me wrong --
I get that.
[...]
BECK: There is something to be said for some sort of -- you know what it
is, I've never been bothered by Ann Coulter. Two years ago, I wasn't
bothered by her. I'm bothered by her just a little bit now. And I think it's
because I'm so tired of the partisan bickering. And Pat said to me this
morning, he said "You know what, Glenn, it just feels good to hear somebody
say that." Yeah, it does. But doesn't it just -- then it just keeps going.
Doesn't it?
[...]
BECK: And one of the quotes that Ann Coulter is saying is -- before
criticizing -- I'm sorry. No, no, wait, that's a quote going back to Ann
Coulter's response to Hillary Clinton, because Hillary Clinton says she's
'heartless' and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Ann Coulter called the few
women that lost husbands in 9-11, that are the same women that I'm sick to
death of, she called them "the witches of East Brunswick." Now here's
where -- I don't have the problem with that -- I get that. That's kind of
funny. Here's where I have a real problem with her. She said "I've never
seen anybody enjoying the death of their spouse as much as these people."
That's amazing. Now if she's going for laughs, maybe, but I don't think she
is. That's a hand grenade. That's just throwing a hand grenade.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009
If the GOP continues throwing stink bombs and using coo-coos on radio & TV
to push their immature messages, they should also be prepared to take the
biggest fall in the GOP's history.
Not that the GOP has ever had a platform except how to tax-evade America
but time's running out fpr the clowns.
.

User: "salad"

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 11:06:21 AM
15 years to get Zarqawi wrote:

GOP strategists defend Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows---
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009

Frankly, I would have been SURPRISED if o'Really, Sean Insanity, Beck,
and others HADN'T defended Coulter. They're cut from the same cloth,
their audience the same. Savaging her would be akin to a Nazi praising
Jews...not going to happen.
.
User: "Jafo"

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 12:58:41 PM
As viewed from alt.california, salad wrote:

Frankly, I would have been SURPRISED if o'Really, Sean Insanity,
Beck, and others HADN'T defended Coulter.

Then in the case of O'Reilly, be surprised:
"...Talking Points believes most Americans reject that kind of
vitriol because it is mean and counterproductive..."
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198687,00.html
--
Jafo
.

User: "KARL ROVE: TRAITOR & LIAR Jake WK"

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 11:42:19 AM
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:06:21 GMT, salad <oil@vinegar.com> wrote:

15 years to get Zarqawi wrote:

GOP strategists defend Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows---
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009


Frankly, I would have been SURPRISED if o'Really, Sean Insanity, Beck,
and others HADN'T defended Coulter. They're cut from the same cloth,
their audience the same. Savaging her would be akin to a Nazi praising
Jews...not going to happen.

I'm surprised one of them hasn't leapt forward yet to tell us how the massacre
at Haditha is no different than an old-fashioned fraternity hazing.
Jake
.

User: ""

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 04:25:28 PM
salad wrote:

15 years to get Zarqawi wrote:

GOP strategists defend Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows---
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009


Frankly, I would have been SURPRISED if o'Really, Sean Insanity,

The interview Hannity had with Coulter is on the Internet.
He looks absolutely scared shitless of her during the interview. I
wouldn't be surprised to find out he had bodyguards just off camera.

Beck,
and others HADN'T defended Coulter. They're cut from the same cloth,
their audience the same. Savaging her would be akin to a Nazi praising
Jews...not going to happen.

.

User: ""

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 11:22:47 AM
salad wrote:

15 years to get Zarqawi wrote:

GOP strategists defend Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows---
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009


Frankly, I would have been SURPRISED if o'Really, Sean Insanity, Beck,
and others HADN'T defended Coulter.

O'Reilly didn't. Try not to cry, liar :0
They're cut from the same cloth,

their audience the same. Savaging her would be akin to a Nazi praising
Jews...not going to happen.

.
User: "15 years to get Zarqawi"

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 01:05:30 PM
<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1149870167.651076.65960@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

salad wrote:

15 years to get Zarqawi wrote:

GOP strategists defend Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows---
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009


Frankly, I would have been SURPRISED if o'Really, Sean Insanity, Beck,
and others HADN'T defended Coulter.


O'Reilly didn't. Try not to cry, liar :0

Yes they did.
.

User: "salad"

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 04:22:14 PM
wrote:

salad wrote:

15 years to get Zarqawi wrote:


GOP strategists defend Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows---
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009


Frankly, I would have been SURPRISED if o'Really, Sean Insanity, Beck,
and others HADN'T defended Coulter.



O'Reilly didn't. Try not to cry, liar :0

" O'REILLY: All right. But here's the point. Ms. Coulter has a good
point about these women being used by one spectrum of the political
debate in this country. That is a valid point. That's why I used the
David Letterman clip. It is absolutely valid. But by calling these women
"witches, harpies," by saying that they should poise in Playboy, and all
of these things, she diminishes her argument, don't you get that? She
then becomes an object of derision herself, and then what her is point
gets lost. Do you think Matt Lauer or any of these people care about the
point she made? No, they are after her."
Sounds paranoidal.
I don't watch Fox, but o'Really was mentioned in the article.


They're cut from the same cloth,

their audience the same. Savaging her would be akin to a Nazi praising
Jews...not going to happen.



.



User: "the_blogologist"

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 11:27:58 PM
She was talking about a small, highly political organization made up of
a few of the 911 widows called "the Jersey Girls". not all 911 widows
that the MSM was quick to imply.
You're supposed to use misinformation in warfare, now politics.
15 years to get Zarqawi <throwshit@bush.net> wrote:

GOP strategists defend Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows---
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009

In the uproar resulting from inflammatory statements made by right-wing
pundit Ann Coulter in her new book -- and highlighted by NBC's Matt Lauer in
an interview with Coulter on the Today show -- numerous media figures and
Republican strategists have defended Coulter and her remarks. Coulter's
comment that has perhaps drawn the most attention is an attack on the widows
of 9-11 victims, appearing on Page 103 of Godless: The Church of Liberalism
(Crown Forum), and read by Lauer: "These broads are millionaires, lionized
on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities
and stalked by grief-arazzis. I've never seen people enjoying their
husbands' deaths so much."

Coulter's defenders have offered rationalizations for that and other smears.
A Media Matters for America review of June 7 and 8 media coverage revealed
the following examples:

Fox News' Sandy Rios

On the June 7 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, Fox News contributor
Sandy Rios stated that Coulter's "words are laser-focused on the truth,"
comparing them to "Holocaust pictures" that "we have to see ... to
understand what happened." Rios also compared Coulter's words to a "clarion
wake-up call," and "cold water" that -- in O'Reilly's words -- "wakes you
up." Rios further praised Coulter's "gift of words and imagery," calling her
"unique" and "frank" and adding that "she plays an important role."

Rios echoed Coulter's attacks on 9-11 widows, claiming incomprehensibly that
just because they "lost their husbands in an accidental bombing [emphasis
added]" that "does not give them license to then criticize the commander in
chief." Rios also stated that "we're living in a time where a lot of people
enjoy the death of their loved ones" and that "people are making a lot of
money off the death of their loved ones," calling this "a culture that
probably needs to be exposed."

Republican strategist Jack Burkman

On the June 7 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country, Republican strategist
Jack Burkman defended Coulter's statements "[a]ll the way," asserting that
Coulter "understates the point" and is "telling the truth." Burkman added
that the 9-11 widows -- whom he compared to anti-war protestor Cindy
Sheehan -- "exploited commercially" the deaths of their loved ones, that
they had "breathlessly ... stepped just into the fame thing," and that
"before the bodies are cold, they're out selling and trying to make money."
He further argued that Osama bin Laden is "shocked" and "amazed" because of
"what these women have done and others have done with 9-11, they have
commercialized him." Burkman later added that "because of this PC thing,"
the 9-11 widows "get away with it."

Fox News' Sean Hannity

During a fawning interview on the June 7 edition of Fox News' Hannity &
Colmes, host Sean Hannity asked Coulter a series of leading questions --
paraphrasing her attacks on the 9-11 widows -- and praised her for
"accept[ing] a challenge" to debate the 9-11 widows "on the issues" on a
future edition of the program. Hannity's leading questions and comments to
Coulter included:

a.. "You're saying that liberalism cannot be sold by the people in office,
and you feel people like Cindy Sheehan ... Jack Murtha, who was a former
Marine... [t]he Jersey Girls ... are being used by the left to make points
that they [liberals] cannot make on their own. Isn't that the point of the
chapter?"
a.. "You're saying they've entered the political arena. Now, I've gone and
I've been looking at some of the comments, for example, of the Jersey Women
in particular. ... [T]hey have been harsh about [Secretary of State] Condi
Rice, about [White House senior adviser] Karl Rove ... about President Bush,
very outspoken. They were on the campaign trail with [Sen.] John Edwards
[D-NC] and with [Sen.] John Kerry [D-MA]. ... So basically what you're
saying is, if they're going to enter the political arena separate from the
loss of their husbands, that now this is a dialogue. If they call the
president a liar, this is now a dialogue. And you're saying most people
won't dare get engaged with them because of what they've been through."
a.. "[T]he point here is, is that they [the 9-11 widows] have taken a
strong, a harsh line politically against the president, that they name-call
on their side, and that now it's time to challenge them, based on what these
issues are, because they've gotten a pass because of their positions."
Republican strategist Karen Hanretty

Also on the July 7 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, Republican strategist
Karen Hanretty asserted that Coulter's attacks on the 9-11 widows were not
"mean spirited," but rather "tongue-in-cheek," "satire," and examples of
"Ann's own personal style." Hanretty further argued that "this entire
discussion" of Coulter's book "proves the point" that "liberals regularly
trot out these heroes, or as she calls them, 'human shields' that
Republicans can't refute."

CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck

On the June 8 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, CNN Headline
News host Glenn Beck stated emphatically that Coulter was "right" about the
"9-11 wives." Beck agreed with Coulter that "[j]ust because you lost
somebody in a tragedy doesn't mean that you get a free pass for the rest of
your life." Beck also stated: "I like Ann Coulter," and said he did not
"have a problem" with her characterization of some 9-11 widows as "the
witches of East Brunswick [N.J.]." But he said he had "a real problem" with
her assertion that those widows were "enjoying the death of their spouse" --
a comment he dubbed a rhetorical "hand grenade."

From the June 7 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: Now for the top story tonight, another view of this, joining us
from Chicago, Fox News contributor Sandy Rios, a conservative analyst. Where
am I going wrong here Sandy?

RIOS: Well, Bill, I think, I don't disagree with your basic premise. I
mean, it is certainly not my choice to attack people. However, we are living
in strange times. And I think while everybody else is making nice, Ann's
words are laser-focused on truth. She says things that no one else dares say
and it kind of made me think about, for instance, holocaust pictures. Do we
have to see pictures of emaciated bodies to understand what happened? It's
kind of offensive. But, you know what? Yes, we do.

Sometimes I think Ann's words, yes, as harsh as they are, they are like a
clarion wake-up call, like cold water, like, "Stop it!" Because women have
lost their husbands in an accidental bombing, which is tragic, and we have
great sympathy for them, does not give them license to then criticize the
commander in chief, to work against --

O'REILLY: Whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa. Hold it. They're American citizens. They
can criticize the commander in chief all day long.

RIOS: And they can be criticized in return.

O'REILLY: You can criticize their criticism, absolutely. Look, there's
nobody who did more damage to Cindy Sheehan in this country than I did, but
I did it by exposing her agenda.

RIOS: Yes you did, Bill. I agree.

O'REILLY: Telling people who was behind her movement, who was paying the
bills, who was running her. I did not, I did not, I did not call the woman
any names, disparage her as an American citizen or do any of that. And if I
had, I would have lost the debate instead of Cindy Sheehan losing
credibility in my opinion.

RIOS: You know, I know that that's true. Bill, I like the way you did that
and I thank goodness you did. But I would say that Ann is a unique person. I
don't believe Ann does this stuff for theatrics. I think she really believes
what she is saying and she has certainly a gift of words and imagery.

O'REILLY: If you're going to stand by that Sandy, then Ann Coulter writes
in her book that these people are enjoying their husband's deaths. Now, come
on, you know that's not true. That's brutal to say something like that.

RIOS: It is brutal. But Bill, I would say this, I do think we're living in
a time where a lot of people enjoy the death of their loved ones. I know
that sounds terrible.

O'REILLY: It sounds awful. In order to say that to specific people, you're
going to have to prove it.

RIOS: No, I know that. Personally, I would not say it, but I am telling
you that I think it's true that people are making a lot of money off the
death of their loved ones in a lot of different cases.

O'REILLY: That may be true.

RIOS: Or the disability of their loved ones and I think we've kind of
gotten into a culture of that that probably needs to be exposed. And how do
you say that?

O'REILLY: All right. But here's the point. Ms. Coulter has a good point
about these women being used by one spectrum of the political debate in this
country. That is a valid point. That's why I used the David Letterman clip.
It is absolutely valid. But by calling these women "witches, harpies," by
saying that they should poise in Playboy, and all of these things, she
diminishes her argument, don't you get that? She then becomes an object of
derision herself, and then what her is point gets lost. Do you think Matt
Lauer or any of these people care about the point she made? No, they are
after her.

RIOS: Yes, Bill. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I actually do
agree with you and when I dialogue and argue about these things, I try never
to make them personal. But, I think Ann is unique and I think she plays a
unique role and I think her words are like, it's like cold water.

O'REILLY: It wakes you up.

RIOS: Yes.

O'REILLY: Do you think she enjoys this? Is this fun for Ann Coulter now to
put herself in the crosshairs of the nation once again? Do you think she
enjoys it?

RIOS: I don't know, Bill. I can't imagine that she enjoys this kind of
criticism.

O'REILLY: I'm going to ask her tomorrow. She is coming on The Radio
Factor. She's coming on The Radio Factor.

RIOS: She loves to be combative, but I don't think she enjoys this harsh
criticism back. I think she really believes --

O'REILLY: What she really believes that those people are enjoying their
husband's demise? Come on. I don't think she believes that.

RIOS: I think she -- yeah, I believe that Ann probably does believe that.
I don't think she can know that.

O'REILLY: All right. Anyway, look, we're going to talk to her on the radio
tomorrow. We're gonna have a -- she is very frank with me, Ann is. And we'll
see what she says --

RIOS: And that's what is so refreshing about Ann Coulter. She is very
frank. She plays an important role, I think.

O'REILLY: Appreciate it, Sandy. And we'll have more on the Coulter
controversy a bit later on.

[...]

HANRETTY: Well, you know, I picked up Ann Coulter's book today. I read
Chapter 5, starting on Page 99, which talks about the Jersey women, as
they've become to be known, actually the Jersey Girls.

And I think that if you read some of what Ann Coulter is saying and you
put it into context, I don't think it's mean-spirited. I think a lot of it
is sort of tongue-in-cheek. And Ann's own personal style probably wouldn't
be my style or yours or [National Public Radio correspondent and Fox News
analyst] Juan [William]'s; it's certainly Ann's style.

And I doubt Hillary Clinton did bother to pick up the book or read it, but
I'll bet she did read the excerpts in the news on the news today on the
Drudge Report and everywhere else.

And, quite frankly, I think that this entire discussion evolving around
Ann Coulter right now, in fact, proves the point that she is making in
Chapter 5 of her book, which is that liberals regularly trot out these
heroes or, as she calls them, "human shields" that Republicans can't refute.

So if you want to talk about the war on terror, they'll drag out Cindy
Sheehan and say, well, you can't -- as you well know -- you can't criticize
Cindy Sheehan because her son died in the war. Or --

O'REILLY: Now, look, that's a legitimate point. But, Karen, for you to sit
there and say that writing in a book that the four women from New Jersey are
enjoying their husband's deaths is not --

HANRETTY: These are not just any four women, Bill.

O'REILLY: That's not mean-spirited? That's kind of a stunning statement
for you to make. I mean --

HANRETTY: Well, I think you need to put it into context. I don't know if
you actually read the chapter.

O'REILLY: I did read the chapter, and I read it. And I read it, like 18
times, because I said, you know, I mean, she doesn't know how these women
are grieving. No one does.

HANRETTY: I agree. I agree.

O'REILLY: And to say that they're enjoying their husband's deaths, I
can't -- I'm sorry.

HANRETTY: There isn't much --

O'REILLY: I mean, calling them -- calling them the witches of New
Brunswick and all of that, yes, hyperbole and, you know, satire, Jonathan
Swift, whatever.

HANRETTY: That was satire. That was the reference to the whole Witches of
Eastwick. And if people catch that reference, I don't know. Does everything
that Ann Coulter says in that chapter about these four women, and these are
not just any old ordinary four widows, mind you. That should also be pointed
out. These are political activists who have gone after --

O'REILLY: They are -- they are definitely activists.

[crosstalk]

HANRETTY: They have attacked Condoleezza Rice.

O'REILLY: But you could have done that -- you could have done that as I
have done, and I did with Ms. Sheehan, as we pointed out, in another way.

From the June 7 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country, with Scarborough,
Burkman, and Air America radio host Mike Papantonio:

SCARBOROUGH: Jack Burkman, it's getting very ugly out there. Can you
defend the comments of Ann Coulter?

BURKMAN: All the way, Joe! At the risk of being still more controversial
this week, if anything, in a lot of ways, I think she understates the point.
Ann is telling the truth! Regardless of the language -- maybe some of her
language is inflammatory. My God's sakes, she's selling books. These women
exploited the deaths of their husbands. That's what they did. They did it --
they did it before the bodies were cold. They rushed into television, to
media, to books --

SCARBOROUGH: Jack, if my family members died --

[crosstalk]

SCARBOROUGH: Hold on, Jack. If my family members died on 9-11, I would be
raising hell, too, if I didn't think the government did everything they
should have done.

BURKMAN: Well, yes, Joe --


PAPANTONIO: You know, Joe -- Joe --

[crosstalk]

BURKMAN: You have a point, but the issue is that -- what I would argue,
and I think what Ann is arguing, is that was not their motivation. Sure,
they can cut ads for John Kerry. They can have whatever type of political
and economic view, and there's nothing wrong with selling books. But what is
morally wrong is when you exploit the death of your family members to do
that and to make money!

You know, Osama bin Laden is sitting tonight in a cave somewhere in the
subcontinent, and he's amazed. You know why? He's shocked because what we
have done, what these women have done, and others have done with 9-11, they
have commercialized him. They've taken 9-11 and --

[...]

SCARBOROUGH: Let's stop. We want to stay on this 9-11 widows issue and not
go back to Oklahoma City. Jack Burkman, Hillary Clinton stepped into the
fray, and her comments were that Coulter was vicious and mean- spirited. Can
you agree with Senator Clinton that perhaps Ann Coulter should have used her
words more -- chosen her words more carefully?

BURKMAN: You know, Joe, I really can't. In fact, in this society, we have
too much PC. You know, Ann had said this. I had that thought five years ago
when I saw how breathlessly these women stepped into just the fame thing.
You know, they remind me of Cindy Sheehan and so many other people who
before the bodies are cold, they're out selling and trying to make money.

But I would say this. You know, my worthy adversary today, my opponent,
he's -- he doesn't -- he has not addressed the charge. He refuses to do
that. The only thing he will comment on is Ann Coulter's past. And so let me
ask him this question. Do you feel -- looking at these women, don't you have
to agree that they were immoral in the fast way in which, the speedy way in
which they exploited commercially their husbands' deaths?

[...]

SCARBOROUGH: I want to play another Ann Coulter clip. She appeared on
[MSNBC's] The Situation with Tucker Carlson last night and didn't back down.
Take a look at what she said.

COULTER [video clip]: Why can't we hear these half-baked liberal bromides
from Howard Dean? Why do liberals always choose spokesmen like the "Jersey
Girls," like Cindy Sheehan, like Joe Wilson, who, because of some personal
aspect of their life, we are not allowed to respond.

SCARBOROUGH: Jack Burkman?

BURKMAN: Joe, I think there is a -- Ann is right on the money. I think she
was eloquent and articulate. I will not shrink from the truth. I will tell
you, there is a powerful growing and disturbing trend in this country of
people, when their loved ones die, they exploit it, they rush right into
the -- they rush right into fold, and because -- they rush right to the
fore -- and because of this PC thing, where you can't criticize someone in
the media if there's been a death in their family, they get away with it.

From the June 7 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: "Coulter the Cruel." From what I understand, even Hillary was
attacking you today.

COULTER: Yes.

HANNITY: And what were her comments?

COULTER: She said the book should have been named "Heartless." It was mean
to these women. And I responded to the New York Times reporter asking for a
comment that, before Hillary refers to other people being mean to women, she
should talk to her husband, who was accused of rape by Juanita Broaddrick
and was groping Kathleen Willey simultaneously with her own spouse
committing suicide. Maybe she should talk to her husband about being mean to
women.

HANNITY: Let me start -- let's set the controversy for the book, because I
actually read the book cover to cover, and I read the chapter in question
here.

COULTER: Thank you.

HANNITY: You're making a broader point. You're saying that liberalism
cannot be sold by the people in office, and you feel people like Cindy
Sheehan, who lost a son in Iraq --

COULTER: Right.

HANNITY: -- Jack Murtha, who was a former Marine --

COULTER: Right.

HANNITY: -- these four -- what you call Jersey women.

COULTER: They call themselves the Jersey Girls.

HANNITY: The Jersey Girls, they lost husbands on 9-11.

COULTER: Right, along with thousands of other women, yes.

HANNITY: And you are saying that they are being used by the left to make
points that they cannot make on their own. Isn't that the point of the
chapter?

COULTER: Yes, it's liberal infallibility. They used to have complete, 100
percent control of news dissemination in America. They lost that with Fox
News, with talk radio, with the Internet. So then they started complaining
about, you know, angry voices, political dialogue has never been so
divisive. And then people remember the sweetness and light we were getting
from the left during, say, the [Supreme Court nominee Robert] Bork hearings,
so that wasn't really working.

So now they send out spokespeople who, because of some personal tragedy,
we're not allowed to respond to, because their husbands died in 9-11,
because they had a son die in Iraq. If they're making a point worth making,
they are entering the public dialogue, how about letting Howard Dean make
the point?

HANNITY: All right, but here's -- here -- I guess this is what people are
saying. This is why you're on the front page of the tabloids in New York.
You're saying they've entered the political arena. Now, I've gone and I've
been looking at some of the comments, for example, of the Jersey women in
particular.

COULTER: Right.

HANNITY: They have been very harsh about Condi Rice, about Karl Rove --

COULTER: Oh, yes.

HANNITY: -- about President Bush, very outspoken. They were on the
campaign trail with John Edwards and with John Kerry.

COULTER: Right. They cut a campaign commercial for Kerry.

HANNITY: They cut a campaign -- so basically what you're saying is, if
they're going to enter the political arena separate from the loss of their
husbands, that now this is a dialogue. If they call the president a liar,
this is now a dialogue. And you're saying most people won't dare get engaged
with them because of what they've been through, which is the purpose of --

COULTER: That's certainly been true until now. I think I've opened it up
now. I think I've broken the taboo.

HANNITY: Well, let me -- here's -- this is, I guess, where people say,
"All right, but did Ann Coulter go too far?" "These self-obsessed women seem
genuinely unaware that 9-11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if it
happened only to them." "These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV" --

COULTER: That's true.

HANNITY: -- "and in articles reveling in their status as celebrities,
stalked by the grief-arazzis. I've never seen people enjoying their
husbands' death so much."

COULTER: That's right.

HANNITY: This is the heart of it. Did that take it out of the arena of
debate and go to the personal?

COULTER: The truth cannot be delivered with novocain. There have been
plenty of precious, little acerbic articles written about these women.

No, the truth comes out screaming and bops people on the head. Now,
Americans recognize this, and I think, in the future, they won't fall for
this practice of liberals foisting their unassailable political opinions on
us by using a victim we're not allowed to respond to.

They immunize the message by choosing a messenger with a tragedy. I've had
it with that.

And, by the way, all of this great pain and hurt my book has caused them,
[Kristin] Breitweiser's [9-11 widow and "Jersey Girl"] response to it was to
say, "To respond to Ann Coulter is as ridiculous as Congress debating gay
marriage." Now, does that sound like a woman who's hurt or does that sound
like a woman who's appealing to her Hollywood set?

HANNITY: Let me ask this. You feel sorry that these women lost their
husbands.

COULTER: I feel sorry for all of the widows of 9-11.

HANNITY: Everybody.

COULTER: I do not believe that sanctifies their message or deserves
special sanctions...

HANNITY: Their political message.

COULTER: Their political message. That is what we're talking about here.
They're the ones who claimed to be responsible for the 9-11 Commission, a
total [President Bill] Clinton whitewash commission. They have attacked
Bush; they have attacked Condoleezza Rice. They're cutting campaign
commercials for Kerry, but we can't respond because their husbands died.

HANNITY: But that's still --

COULTER: No, I've had it with this liberal infallibility, and I think a
lot of Americans are seething with anger that we can't respond. Put up
somebody we can respond to.

HANNITY: There were some very -- there were some very specific charges by
some of the women from Jersey about the president and how the president
should have responded, how the president didn't react.

COULTER: Right, right.

HANNITY: And in the book, in this specific chapter, you go into a long
dialogue about, well, the leading up to this in the Clinton years.

COULTER: Right.

HANNITY: And so what you're saying is this is a --

COULTER: But they like what Clinton did.

HANNITY: But the point here is, is that they have taken a strong, a harsh
line politically against the president, that they name-call on their side,
and that now it's time to challenge them, based on what these issues are,
because they've gotten a pass because of their positions.

COULTER: Right. And it is entirely premised on a tragedy happening to
them. As -- as I was saying last -- I think [co-host] Alan [Colmes]
interrupted me, so it may not have gotten out -- I think this is one of the
ugliest things the left has done to political dialogue in this country, this
idea that you need some sort of personal authenticity in order to make a
political point.

I mean, can I not talk to you about the Irish potato famine because I
don't understand it? Can you not talk to me about women? No, how about let's
just debate and cut the personal authenticity?

Moreover, you know, liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly
honor. Instead, all they have is womanly indignation. They just love being
indignant, indignant. Does this mean they accept the other ideas in my book?
Does this mean, you know, Darwinism, everything I say about Darwinism being
a crock, that's all settled here?

No, they just settle on one little thing, so that they can express
indignation.

HANNITY: I want to tell you what we've done.

You have accepted a challenge to -- on the issues, you will debate any of
these women or all of these women tomorrow night, if they want to come. And
you've accepted our invitation.

COULTER: Sure, but I'm not going to treat them like victims, as, you know,
Cindy Sheehan -- and, oh, you can't talk about -- respond to Joe Wilson,
because he has a wife at the CIA. Well, the only reason he has any knowledge
of which he claimed to have insider knowledge was because his wife worked at
the CIA.

So to immunize his attack on the president by saying, "You can't mention
his wife works at the CIA," I mean, if that was so dangerous, which it
wasn't -- she wasn't undercover -- but if it were, how about not writing an
op-ed for The New York Times attacking the president? Don't keep up putting
up messengers we're not allowed to respond to.

HANNITY: All right, Ann Coulter, thanks for being with us.

COULTER: Thank you, thank you.

From the June 8 broadcast of The Glenn Beck Show:

BECK: Also an interview with Michael Berg. That's Nick Berg's dad. I
haven't heard the CNN version yet, I heard it on Fox this morning. I've seen
it played a couple of times on CNN in the morning with what's her name,
Soledad [O'Brien]. Dan, have you heard it with Soledad?

DAN ANDROS (producer): I heard it, like the last 2 minutes of it.

BECK: She's somebody who doesn't like me a lot. She thinks I'm a
hatemonger.

ANDROS: That's weird.

BECK: Yes. Who would have guessed that coming?

ANDROS: Couldn't see it.

BECK: But so you did hear it did, you say?

ANDROS: Yes.

BECK: You did hear it. Is it a love-fest?

ANDROS: It's not a love-fest, but she's very somber in it. She's very,
"Oh, I don't want to offend you in any way. You've lost a son."

BECK: So what -- does that give you a free pass for the rest of your life?
Does that give you a free pass? I don't think it does. I really don't. It's
like everyone's coming out against Ann Coulter. I don't know, I'm really
torn -- we'll get into this later -- I'm really torn on Ann Coulter. I don't
know how to feel about Ann Coulter. I mean, I like Ann Coulter. I like some
of the things that she says. Some of the things, she's just like -- she
throws hand grenades. And she's not -- I don't think she's trying to do it
for comedy. I think she just -- she has no -- there's no filter on her, you
know what I mean? And maybe that's a good thing. I'm not sure. I don't know.
But what she said about the 9-11 wives? Right! She's right! Those -- those
four women that she is specifically addressing, she's right about. Can't you
say those things? Just because you lost somebody in a tragedy doesn't mean
that you get a free pass for the rest of your life. I mean, at least part of
it she's right about.

[...]

BECK: All right. The other thing I want to get to is Ann Coulter. I don't
know how I feel about Ann Coulter. I mean, I like Ann Coulter. And yet, at
the same time I'm torn. And here's what I was thinking. I, you know, was
just talking to Pat, my best friend in Houston, about this. And Pat's like
"Aw, Jesus, is Ann Coulter too harsh for you." I said, well, I think Ann
Coulter is kind of like Al Franken. You know, Ann Coulter -- well no. No.
Ann Coulter is actually funny, Al Franken is not. But Al Franken just throws
grenades just to throw grenades. You know what I mean? He says the most
outrageous things he can say just to sell a book. And don't get me wrong --
I get that.

[...]

BECK: There is something to be said for some sort of -- you know what it
is, I've never been bothered by Ann Coulter. Two years ago, I wasn't
bothered by her. I'm bothered by her just a little bit now. And I think it's
because I'm so tired of the partisan bickering. And Pat said to me this
morning, he said "You know what, Glenn, it just feels good to hear somebody
say that." Yeah, it does. But doesn't it just -- then it just keeps going.
Doesn't it?

[...]

BECK: And one of the quotes that Ann Coulter is saying is -- before
criticizing -- I'm sorry. No, no, wait, that's a quote going back to Ann
Coulter's response to Hillary Clinton, because Hillary Clinton says she's
'heartless' and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Ann Coulter called the few
women that lost husbands in 9-11, that are the same women that I'm sick to
death of, she called them "the witches of East Brunswick." Now here's
where -- I don't have the problem with that -- I get that. That's kind of
funny. Here's where I have a real problem with her. She said "I've never
seen anybody enjoying the death of their spouse as much as these people."
That's amazing. Now if she's going for laughs, maybe, but I don't think she
is. That's a hand grenade. That's just throwing a hand grenade.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200606080009

If the GOP continues throwing stink bombs and using coo-coos on radio & TV
to push their immature messages, they should also be prepared to take the
biggest fall in the GOP's history.

Not that the GOP has ever had a platform except how to tax-evade America
but time's running out fpr the clowns.

.
User: "ZenIsWhen"

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 11:57:38 PM
"the_blogologist" <nobody@nowheres.com> wrote in message
news:1hgoikr.yr1y179rsqpyN%nobody@nowheres.com...

She was talking about a small, highly political organization made up of
a few of the 911 widows called "the Jersey Girls". not all 911 widows
that the MSM was quick to imply.

You're supposed to use misinformation in warfare, now politics.

As opposed to a large, fanatical republican, insane conservative, well
funded mouthpiece and liars group known as Fox News?
That would be like the whole Hitler "administration" saying that few vocal
Jews are being too "political".
.

User: "Adam Albright"

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 09 Jun 2006 11:35:39 PM
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:27:58 -0700,

(the_blogologist) wrote:

She was talking about a small, highly political organization made up of
a few of the 911 widows called "the Jersey Girls". not all 911 widows
that the MSM was quick to imply.

I saw the interview and the Coulter ***** made no such reference and
implied ALL 9/11 widows.
The psycho ***** is going to get a bloody beating on Larry King's CNN
show tomorrow where he is giving the full hour to the 911 widows to
***** slap the Coulter ***** all they want. Should be a hoot. Right
wingers shouldn't watch, they may throw feces at the tv, have heart
attacks, puke and assorted other nasty stuff.
.
User: "15 years to get Zarqawi"

Title: Re: GOP Defends Coulter's Attacks 10 Jun 2006 11:36:05 AM
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:8oik82hfououoki9370d5b1ll02q5tql5i@4ax.com...

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:27:58 -0700,


(the_blogologist) wrote:

She was talking about a small, highly political organization made up of
a few of the 911 widows called "the Jersey Girls". not all 911 widows
that the MSM was quick to imply.


I saw the interview and the Coulter ***** made no such reference and
implied ALL 9/11 widows.

The psycho ***** is going to get a bloody beating on Larry King's CNN
show tomorrow where he is giving the full hour to the 911 widows to
***** slap the Coulter ***** all they want. Should be a hoot. Right
wingers shouldn't watch, they may throw feces at the tv, have heart
attacks, puke and assorted other nasty stuff.

Most of them will be running to their Hillbilly Heroin dealers at the truck
stop.
Coulter is mentally ill.
Now that Zarqawi is supposedly dead, I nominate Coulter as America's Public
Enenmy #1.
.




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