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30 Dec 2003 07:21:50 AM |
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GOP, The Party of Corruption |
The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Republicans appoint a corrupt person like George W Bush, who himself
made millions of dollars by ripping off investors, with his history of
corrupt involvement in Harken Energy, then you better believe that the
rest of the business community will look up to him as a role model, and
as someone who will look the other way if they do the same thing he did.
Because if that's what they thought of him, then they're right. Because
that is exactly what George W Bush has done.
Abel Malcolm
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2067870
From:
http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/columnists/molly_ivins/7196561.htm
Explain this one to me
By Molly Ivins
Creators Syndicate
I'd really like to know: What were they thinking? What did the traders,
directors and managers of mutual funds think they were doing?
Did they think, "Everybody does it"? Did they figure, "It's not really
stealing, not actually taking money away from someone -- it's just that
they won't make as much as they might have"? Did they think the big
customers were entitled to more? Why?
A series of mutual fund folks appeared before the Senate governmental
affairs hearing on the issue this week. "Outrage," "shocking,"
"betrayal," they all said. Better compliance system, rule changes,
regulatory action, reforms, restitution, they all said.
Among other things, these Senate hearings should be required viewing for
every right-wing ideologue who rants against government regulations --
those horrible, onerous government regulations. If you want to know why
government regulations get written in the first place, this is the
perfect opportunity.
It's a huge, stinking scandal that affects the savings and pensions of
millions of people, and the very people who created it are begging for
new regulations.
It's an indictment of the collective news judgment of American media
that the mutual fund mess hasn't made it off the business pages to the
front pages. And it's too bad it's too complicated for television,
because this is a classic news story -- it affects your life.
It pretty much covers the entire American middle class, quite a chunk of
which doesn't think of 401(k)s or pension plans as mutual funds, but
that's where most of them are invested.
So what's been going on with your money in mutual funds? Late trading,
short trading and insider trading. And in a depressingly familiar
pattern, the regulators who were supposed to be watching mutual funds
didn't notice a thing until after New York Attorney General Eliot
Spitzer jumped in and started talking criminal fraud charges. If there
were a Democratic candidate with a brain, he'd be talking about making
Spitzer either head of the Securities and Exchange Commission or
attorney general. We are talking about billions of dollars in total
rip-offs.
Why do they do it? Because they can get away with it.
More and more mutual funds, which used to be privately owned, are now
owned by huge financial conglomerates. If we have not already seen
enough warning signs of the folly of permitting these huge combinations
to exist, what will it take?
That's why there were regulations to begin with!
And then came all those right-wing ideologues moaning about that
terrible government regulation, and so Phil Gramm pushed the law
repealing the regulations, and now here we are again.
This is not just a financial story -- it is a political story. Once
again, the SEC has failed to police financial institutions that are
under its regulatory authority. Why? Because the SEC has been
deliberately underfunded for years by Republican Congresses that don't
believe in government regulation.
It's the same with the Internal Revenue Service, now letting tens of
billions of dollars in corporate taxes escape because it has been so
underfunded by Republicans that it doesn't have the means to go after
them.
We have to keep connecting these dots. These are not isolated instances
of misbehavior, not "a few bad apples." Enron, Worldcom and all the rest
of the frauds took place because they were allowed to, because the
perpetrators had bought off or bent enough regulations to get away with
it.
As usual, I'm more interested in trying to get people to see how and why
they're being bilked than I am in the moral questions involved -- I
leave morality to William Bennett and Pat Robertson. But I am genuinely
curious about where the sense of upper-class entitlement comes from --
that sort of "We who are already rich are entitled to more; We who run
things don't have to break the rules -- we can just pay the politicians
to change them for us."
I suppose it's a variant of Leona Helmsley's famous remark, "Only little
people pay taxes." And by the way, Leona was right -- only little people
do anymore.
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| User: "DorkusDean" |
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| Title: Re: Democrat Party, The Party of Lies |
30 Dec 2003 07:38:22 AM |
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<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
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The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Nope, the DNC depends FAR more heavily on the Deep Pocket Donors than do the
Republicans.
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| User: "Ashland Henderson" |
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| Title: Re: Democrat Party, The Party of Lies |
30 Dec 2003 02:26:21 PM |
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"DorkusDean" <DemMeltdown@DNC.net> wrote in message news:<idfIb.171989$8y1.518935@attbi_s52>...
<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23195-3FF17BEE-115@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Nope, the DNC depends FAR more heavily on the Deep Pocket Donors than do the
Republicans.
Proof?
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| User: "DemmieFlameout" |
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| Title: Re: Democrat Party, The Party of Lies |
30 Dec 2003 04:13:34 PM |
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"Ashland Henderson" <maceanruig@astound.net> wrote in message
news:441d41d1.0312301226.458b164c@posting.google.com...
"DorkusDean" <DemMeltdown@DNC.net> wrote in message
news:<idfIb.171989$8y1.518935@attbi_s52>...
<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23195-3FF17BEE-115@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Nope, the DNC depends FAR more heavily on the Deep Pocket Donors than do
the
Republicans.
Proof?
None needed, since you "forgot" to demand any of AbelMalcolm.
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| User: "Ashland Henderson" |
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| Title: Re: Democrat Party, The Party of Lies |
30 Dec 2003 11:41:51 PM |
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"DemmieFlameout" <DemsGoingDownhill@DNC.net> wrote in message news:<iMmIb.705189$Fm2.607131@attbi_s04>...
"Ashland Henderson" <maceanruig@astound.net> wrote in message
news:441d41d1.0312301226.458b164c@posting.google.com...
"DorkusDean" <DemMeltdown@DNC.net> wrote in message
news:<idfIb.171989$8y1.518935@attbi_s52>...
<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23195-3FF17BEE-115@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Nope, the DNC depends FAR more heavily on the Deep Pocket Donors than do
the
Republicans.
Proof?
None needed, since you "forgot" to demand any of AbelMalcolm.
I haven't seen his post, only your usual snipped parts. In any case,
compare the amounts given by big business to republicans to those
given to democrats and see where you go from there.
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| User: "John S. Dyson" |
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| Title: Re: Democrat Party, The Party of Lies |
30 Dec 2003 11:23:56 AM |
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In article <idfIb.171989$8y1.518935@attbi_s52>,
"DorkusDean" <DemMeltdown@DNC.net> writes:
<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23195-3FF17BEE-115@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Nope, the DNC depends FAR more heavily on the Deep Pocket Donors than do the
Republicans.
Those deep pocket-types include under-educated (not even college degreed)
lefties in Hollywood, Unions whose poll workers seem to invent
votes, and the nearly ultimate evil of lawyers who are parasites
on the economy (including weakening health-care by making doctors
too expensive -- insurance costs.) Alas, many doctors who have
had to quit (or move) are 'birthing doctors', and it is much
better for Dems to advocate the baby-pithing abortions, right?
John
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| User: "redclay" |
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| Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Corruption |
30 Dec 2003 08:13:54 AM |
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<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23195-3FF17BEE-115@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Republicans appoint a corrupt person like George W Bush, who himself
made millions of dollars by ripping off investors, with his history of
corrupt involvement in Harken Energy, then you better believe that the
rest of the business community will look up to him as a role model, and
as someone who will look the other way if they do the same thing he did.
Because if that's what they thought of him, then they're right. Because
that is exactly what George W Bush has done.
Soros was the money behind G. W. Bush making millions out of Abustro then
Spectrum then Harken then mystery buying of his position. President Bush is
the spawn of northeastern lackeys and nothing more than a branch on a family
tree of flunkies. GOP stands for "greedy old patricians" and is just as it
was when the Rockefellers were the leaders of it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Corruption |
30 Dec 2003 09:45:49 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:13:54 GMT, "redclay" <redclay13@yahoo.com>
wrote:
<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23195-3FF17BEE-115@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Republicans appoint a corrupt person like George W Bush, who himself
made millions of dollars by ripping off investors, with his history of
corrupt involvement in Harken Energy, then you better believe that the
rest of the business community will look up to him as a role model, and
as someone who will look the other way if they do the same thing he did.
Because if that's what they thought of him, then they're right. Because
that is exactly what George W Bush has done.
Soros was the money behind G. W. Bush making millions out of Abustro then
Spectrum then Harken then mystery buying of his position. President Bush is
the spawn of northeastern lackeys and nothing more than a branch on a family
tree of flunkies. GOP stands for "greedy old patricians" and is just as it
was when the Rockefellers were the leaders of it.
I advise both of you to read Robert Samuelson's latest column on Bush
Haters. It explains the origin of your irrationality.
Here are some pithy quotes just for you:
"In the end, Bush hating says more about the haters than the hated."
"This hatred embodies much fear and insecurity."
"What they (Bush haters) truly resent is that his (Bush's) popularity
suggests the country might be more like him that is is like them."
"It (Bush hating) is a self-indulgent declaration of moral
superiority-something that makes them feel (not think) better about
themselves."
"It (Bush hating) represents another dreary chapter in the continuing
coarsing of public discourse."
Ain't the truth beautiful!!
Have an especially healthy day!!
Hoo-Raah!!
Dennis, VERY PROUD AMERICA-LOVING NEOCON, Finest Kind English
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| User: "tooly" |
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| Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Corruption |
01 Jan 2004 06:04:22 AM |
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Bush bashers 'feed' the hatred here on the internet and newsgroups...sort of
like a mob action. Out here in the real world, liberals are NOT making a
dent in the mass mind because the masses can just look around and see the
social chaos and ruin of our culture and understand it was "liberalism" that
got us in this mess. People are fed up with government in general, but
realize democrats are a far worse choice, they selling out our culture
wholesale. Did I read somewhere that it was DNC strategy to put 'plants' on
the internet to promote Bush bashing? Posters like AbelMalcom for
example...that's all he does is Bush bash etc; makes one wonder you see, ha.
I find it fun to read...silly, but fun. They influence nothing.
<NoSurrender@never.net> wrote in message
news:9k63vv4e6l80bkbsblmrpnbkk9aelps5i2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:13:54 GMT, "redclay" <redclay13@yahoo.com>
wrote:
<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23195-3FF17BEE-115@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Republicans appoint a corrupt person like George W Bush, who himself
made millions of dollars by ripping off investors, with his history of
corrupt involvement in Harken Energy, then you better believe that the
rest of the business community will look up to him as a role model, and
as someone who will look the other way if they do the same thing he
did.
Because if that's what they thought of him, then they're right.
Because
that is exactly what George W Bush has done.
Soros was the money behind G. W. Bush making millions out of Abustro then
Spectrum then Harken then mystery buying of his position. President Bush
is
the spawn of northeastern lackeys and nothing more than a branch on a
family
tree of flunkies. GOP stands for "greedy old patricians" and is just as
it
was when the Rockefellers were the leaders of it.
I advise both of you to read Robert Samuelson's latest column on Bush
Haters. It explains the origin of your irrationality.
Here are some pithy quotes just for you:
"In the end, Bush hating says more about the haters than the hated."
"This hatred embodies much fear and insecurity."
"What they (Bush haters) truly resent is that his (Bush's) popularity
suggests the country might be more like him that is is like them."
"It (Bush hating) is a self-indulgent declaration of moral
superiority-something that makes them feel (not think) better about
themselves."
"It (Bush hating) represents another dreary chapter in the continuing
coarsing of public discourse."
Ain't the truth beautiful!!
Have an especially healthy day!!
Hoo-Raah!!
Dennis, VERY PROUD AMERICA-LOVING NEOCON, Finest Kind English
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Corruption |
01 Jan 2004 09:59:50 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 07:04:22 -0500, "tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Bush bashers 'feed' the hatred here on the internet and newsgroups...sort of
like a mob action. Out here in the real world, liberals are NOT making a
dent in the mass mind because the masses can just look around and see the
social chaos and ruin of our culture and understand it was "liberalism" that
got us in this mess. People are fed up with government in general, but
realize democrats are a far worse choice, they selling out our culture
wholesale. Did I read somewhere that it was DNC strategy to put 'plants' on
the internet to promote Bush bashing? Posters like AbelMalcom for
example...that's all he does is Bush bash etc; makes one wonder you see, ha.
I find it fun to read...silly, but fun. They influence nothing.
I agree completely...thanks for the insight into their little minds.
Ain't the truth beautiful
Have an especially healthy day!!
Hoo-Raah!!
Dennis, VERY PROUD AMERICA-LOVING NEOCON, Finest Kind English
<NoSurrender@never.net> wrote in message
news:9k63vv4e6l80bkbsblmrpnbkk9aelps5i2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:13:54 GMT, "redclay" <redclay13@yahoo.com>
wrote:
<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23195-3FF17BEE-115@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
The Republican party is the party of big business, so when the
Republicans appoint a corrupt person like George W Bush, who himself
made millions of dollars by ripping off investors, with his history of
corrupt involvement in Harken Energy, then you better believe that the
rest of the business community will look up to him as a role model, and
as someone who will look the other way if they do the same thing he
did.
Because if that's what they thought of him, then they're right.
Because
that is exactly what George W Bush has done.
Soros was the money behind G. W. Bush making millions out of Abustro then
Spectrum then Harken then mystery buying of his position. President Bush
is
the spawn of northeastern lackeys and nothing more than a branch on a
family
tree of flunkies. GOP stands for "greedy old patricians" and is just as
it
was when the Rockefellers were the leaders of it.
I advise both of you to read Robert Samuelson's latest column on Bush
Haters. It explains the origin of your irrationality.
Here are some pithy quotes just for you:
"In the end, Bush hating says more about the haters than the hated."
"This hatred embodies much fear and insecurity."
"What they (Bush haters) truly resent is that his (Bush's) popularity
suggests the country might be more like him that is is like them."
"It (Bush hating) is a self-indulgent declaration of moral
superiority-something that makes them feel (not think) better about
themselves."
"It (Bush hating) represents another dreary chapter in the continuing
coarsing of public discourse."
Ain't the truth beautiful!!
Have an especially healthy day!!
Hoo-Raah!!
Dennis, VERY PROUD AMERICA-LOVING NEOCON, Finest Kind English
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Corruption |
01 Jan 2004 02:52:43 PM |
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 07:04:22 -0500, "tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Bush bashers 'feed' the hatred here on the internet and newsgroups...sort of
like a mob action. Out here in the real world, liberals are NOT making a
dent in the mass mind because the masses can just look around and see the
social chaos and ruin of our culture and understand it was "liberalism" that
got us in this mess. People are fed up with government in general, but
realize democrats are a far worse choice, they selling out our culture
wholesale. Did I read somewhere that it was DNC strategy to put 'plants' on
the internet to promote Bush bashing? Posters like AbelMalcom for
example...that's all he does is Bush bash etc; makes one wonder you see, ha.
I find it fun to read...silly, but fun. They influence nothing.
This is rather amusing. What or who is "selling out our culture"? it
is corporations. who's giving us "Joe Millionaire" and TV show
weddings? Reality TV? WWF? WHo's pandering to our race to the
bottom?
Large corporations. Large media conglomerates. (For an interesting
exercise look at the wonders FOX TV has brought us and tell us its
liberals.) What party caters the most to large corporations and
media?
You want another interesting exercise look at the divorce rates of
Democratic leaders vs. GOP leaders. Look at the military service
histories of the party leaderships.
Once you get past the rhetoric of family values, service, etc.,
you'll find the Democrats actually do a better job of living the talk
that GOP hypocrites throw out there.
Rush on drugs. Gingrich on adultery. Bennet of ethics. Ah yeah.
tell me again about liberals and democrats.
_______
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
-President Teddy Roosevelt
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