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User: "Ubiquitous"
Date: 21 Jun 2006 07:44:31 AM
Object: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV
In twin appearances last night former Vice President Al Gore dismissed
critics of his global warming theory as a small minority not credible in
their opposition.
In an unprecedented, uninterrupted eight-minute monologue on Keith Olbermann
's "Countdown," Gore characterized those scientists who dispute the reality
of global warming as part of a lunatic fringe.
Later, on Charlie Rose's show, Gore went further. Asked by Rose "Do you know
any credible scientist who says 'wait a minute - this hasn't been proven,'
is there still a debate?" Gore replied, "The debate's over. The people who
dispute the international consensus on global warming are in the same
category now with the people who think the moon landing was staged on a
movie lot in Arizona."
This flies in the face of such challengers as professor Bob Carter of the
Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia who
said: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic.
It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public
attention."
Famed climatologist and internationally renowned hurricane expert Dr.
William Gray of the atmospheric-science department at Colorado State
University went even further, calling the scientific "consensus" on global
warming "one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American
people." For speaking the truth he has seen most of his government research
funding dry up, according to the Washington Post.
Neither Gray nor Dr. Carter believe that the moon landing was staged on a
movie set in Arizona.
Nor does famed Oxford professor David Bellamy who sniffs that Gore's theory
is "Poppycock!"
Writing in Britain's Daily Mail last July 9, Dr. Bellamy charged that "the
world's politicians and policy makers ... have an unshakeable faith in what
has, unfortunately, become one of the central credo of the environmental
movement. Humans burn fossil fuels, which release increased levels of carbon
dioxide - the principal so-called greenhouse gas - into the atmosphere,
causing the atmosphere to heat up.
"They say this is global warming: I say this is poppycock. Unfortunately,
for the time being, it is their view that prevails.
"As a result of their ignorance, the world's economy may be about to divert
billions, nay trillions of pounds, dollars and rubles into solving a problem
that actually doesn't exist. The waste of economic resources is incalculable
and tragic."
Wrote Dr. Bellamy "It has been estimated that the cost of cutting fossil
fuel emissions in line with the Kyoto Protocol would be [$1.3 trillion].
Little wonder, then, that world leaders are worried. So should we all be.
"If we signed up to these scaremongers, we could be about to waste a
gargantuan amount of money on a problem that doesn't exist - money that
could be used in umpteen better ways: Fighting world hunger, providing clean
water, developing alternative energy sources, improving our environment,
creating jobs.
"The link between the burning of fossil fuels and global warming is a myth.
It is time the world's leaders, their scientific advisers and many
environmental pressure groups woke up to the fact."
In agreement with Dr. Bellamy were a host of other respected climatologists
including the 19,000 who have signed a declaration that rejects Gore's
accusation that the rise of greenhouse gasses is caused by mankind's use of
fossil fuels. As has been pointed out, previous ice ages have been preceded
by a rise on CO2 levels long before there were humans or fossil fuels or
backyard barbecues.
Commenting on the scientists who support Gore's thesis, Dr. Carter one of
hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group
climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon
dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change, says, "'Climate
experts' is the operative term here. Why? Because of what Gore's 'majority
of scientists' think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them
actually work in the climate field.
Carter does not pull his punches about Gore's activism, "The man is an
embarrassment to U.S. science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of who
know, but feel unable to state publicly, that his propaganda crusade is
mostly based on junk science."
In April, 60 of the world's leading experts in the field asked Canada's
Prime Minister Harper to order a thorough public review of the science of
climate change, something that has never happened in Canada. Considering
what's at stake - either the end of civilization, if you believe Gore, or a
waste of billions of dollars, if you believe his opponents - it seems like a
reasonable request, wrote Tom Harris in the Canada Free Press.
According to Harris, a mechanical engineer, former University of Winnipeg
climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball notes that even among that fraction, many
focus their studies on the impacts of climate change; biologists, for
example, who study everything from insects to polar bears to poison ivy.
"While many are highly skilled researchers, they generally do not have
special knowledge about the causes of global climate change," explains Ball.
"They usually can tell us only about the effects of changes in the local
environment where they conduct their studies."
Adds Ball, among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a
global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing
computer models of hypothetical futures. "These models have been
consistently wrong in all their scenarios," asserts Ball. "Since modelers
concede computer outputs are not predictions but are in fact merely
scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think
they are actually making forecasts."
Canada's new conservative prime minister, Stephen Harper, has been urged by
more than 60 leading international climate change experts to review the
global warming policies he inherited from his predecessor.
In an open letter that includes five British scientists among the 60 leading
international climate change experts who signed the letter, the experts
praise Harper's commitment to review the controversial Kyoto Protocol on
reducing emissions harmful to the environment. "Much of the billions of
dollars earmarked for implementation of the protocol in Canada will be
squandered without a proper assessment of recent developments in climate
science," they wrote in the Canadian Financial Post last week.
They emphasized that the study of global climate change is, in Harper's own
words, an "emerging science" and added: "If, back in the mid 1990s, we knew
what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist,
because we would have concluded it was not necessary." Despite claims to the
contrary, there is no consensus among climate scientists on the relative
importance of the various causes of global climate change, they wrote.
"'Climate change is real' is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by
activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and
humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified.
"Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human
impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural 'noise.'"
The letter is the latest effort by climate change skeptics to counter Gore's
demonstrably false claims that there is a consensus that human activity is
causing alleged global warming.
Listening to Al Gore makes one wonder if he is the one who believes that
"the moon landing was staged on a movie set in Arizona."
--
"We know that [Saddam Hussein] has stored secret supplies of biological and
chemical weapons
throughout his country [...] Iraq's serach for weapons of mass destruction
has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is
in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
.

User: "MS"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 21 Jun 2006 05:33:39 PM
Gore should go back to inventing another internet! He's an egotistical fool.
On 2006-06-21 05:44:31 -0700, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> said:

In twin appearances last night former Vice President Al Gore dismissed
critics of his global warming theory as a small minority not credible in
their opposition.

In an unprecedented, uninterrupted eight-minute monologue on Keith Olbermann
's "Countdown," Gore characterized those scientists who dispute the reality
of global warming as part of a lunatic fringe.

Later, on Charlie Rose's show, Gore went further. Asked by Rose "Do you know
any credible scientist who says 'wait a minute - this hasn't been proven,'
is there still a debate?" Gore replied, "The debate's over. The people who
dispute the international consensus on global warming are in the same
category now with the people who think the moon landing was staged on a
movie lot in Arizona."

This flies in the face of such challengers as professor Bob Carter of the
Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia who
said: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic.
It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public
attention."


Famed climatologist and internationally renowned hurricane expert Dr.
William Gray of the atmospheric-science department at Colorado State
University went even further, calling the scientific "consensus" on global
warming "one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American
people." For speaking the truth he has seen most of his government research
funding dry up, according to the Washington Post.

Neither Gray nor Dr. Carter believe that the moon landing was staged on a
movie set in Arizona.

Nor does famed Oxford professor David Bellamy who sniffs that Gore's theory
is "Poppycock!"


Writing in Britain's Daily Mail last July 9, Dr. Bellamy charged that "the
world's politicians and policy makers ... have an unshakeable faith in what
has, unfortunately, become one of the central credo of the environmental
movement. Humans burn fossil fuels, which release increased levels of carbon
dioxide - the principal so-called greenhouse gas - into the atmosphere,
causing the atmosphere to heat up.



"They say this is global warming: I say this is poppycock. Unfortunately,
for the time being, it is their view that prevails.


"As a result of their ignorance, the world's economy may be about to divert
billions, nay trillions of pounds, dollars and rubles into solving a problem
that actually doesn't exist. The waste of economic resources is incalculable
and tragic."

Wrote Dr. Bellamy "It has been estimated that the cost of cutting fossil
fuel emissions in line with the Kyoto Protocol would be [$1.3 trillion].
Little wonder, then, that world leaders are worried. So should we all be.


"If we signed up to these scaremongers, we could be about to waste a
gargantuan amount of money on a problem that doesn't exist - money that
could be used in umpteen better ways: Fighting world hunger, providing clean
water, developing alternative energy sources, improving our environment,
creating jobs.


"The link between the burning of fossil fuels and global warming is a myth.
It is time the world's leaders, their scientific advisers and many
environmental pressure groups woke up to the fact."

In agreement with Dr. Bellamy were a host of other respected climatologists
including the 19,000 who have signed a declaration that rejects Gore's
accusation that the rise of greenhouse gasses is caused by mankind's use of
fossil fuels. As has been pointed out, previous ice ages have been preceded
by a rise on CO2 levels long before there were humans or fossil fuels or
backyard barbecues.


Commenting on the scientists who support Gore's thesis, Dr. Carter one of
hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group
climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon
dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change, says, "'Climate
experts' is the operative term here. Why? Because of what Gore's 'majority
of scientists' think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them
actually work in the climate field.

Carter does not pull his punches about Gore's activism, "The man is an
embarrassment to U.S. science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of who
know, but feel unable to state publicly, that his propaganda crusade is
mostly based on junk science."

In April, 60 of the world's leading experts in the field asked Canada's
Prime Minister Harper to order a thorough public review of the science of
climate change, something that has never happened in Canada. Considering
what's at stake - either the end of civilization, if you believe Gore, or a
waste of billions of dollars, if you believe his opponents - it seems like a
reasonable request, wrote Tom Harris in the Canada Free Press.

According to Harris, a mechanical engineer, former University of Winnipeg
climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball notes that even among that fraction, many
focus their studies on the impacts of climate change; biologists, for
example, who study everything from insects to polar bears to poison ivy.
"While many are highly skilled researchers, they generally do not have
special knowledge about the causes of global climate change," explains Ball.
"They usually can tell us only about the effects of changes in the local
environment where they conduct their studies."

Adds Ball, among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a
global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing
computer models of hypothetical futures. "These models have been
consistently wrong in all their scenarios," asserts Ball. "Since modelers
concede computer outputs are not predictions but are in fact merely
scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think
they are actually making forecasts."

Canada's new conservative prime minister, Stephen Harper, has been urged by
more than 60 leading international climate change experts to review the
global warming policies he inherited from his predecessor.

In an open letter that includes five British scientists among the 60 leading
international climate change experts who signed the letter, the experts
praise Harper's commitment to review the controversial Kyoto Protocol on
reducing emissions harmful to the environment. "Much of the billions of
dollars earmarked for implementation of the protocol in Canada will be
squandered without a proper assessment of recent developments in climate
science," they wrote in the Canadian Financial Post last week.

They emphasized that the study of global climate change is, in Harper's own
words, an "emerging science" and added: "If, back in the mid 1990s, we knew
what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist,
because we would have concluded it was not necessary." Despite claims to the
contrary, there is no consensus among climate scientists on the relative
importance of the various causes of global climate change, they wrote.

"'Climate change is real' is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by
activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and
humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified.

"Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human
impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural 'noise.'"

The letter is the latest effort by climate change skeptics to counter Gore's
demonstrably false claims that there is a consensus that human activity is
causing alleged global warming.

Listening to Al Gore makes one wonder if he is the one who believes that
"the moon landing was staged on a movie set in Arizona."

.
User: "PagCal"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 01:34:47 AM
MS wrote:

Gore should go back to inventing another internet! He's an egotistical
fool.

Global warming is real. Go read http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13474997/
.
User: "William December Starr"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 09:26:10 PM
In article <bYLmg.267$M_7.256@fe02.lga>,
PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> said:

MS wrote:

Gore should go back to inventing another internet! He's an
egotistical fool.


Global warming is real. Go read http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13474997/

And the claim that Gore said he invented the internet is a lie.
--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 24 Jun 2006 09:09:33 AM
William December Starr wrote:
\> And the claim that Gore said he invented the internet is a lie.


--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>

Well, a distortion of what he actually said, anyway. In a 1999 CNN
interview, Gore claimed that "During my service in the United States
Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm
But considering the fact that Gore wasn't in Congress in 1999 when
Arpanet was created or even by 1974 when the *term* "Internet" started
being widely used, even Gore's actual words are an exaggeration of what
he actually accomplished. Gore *is* credited with being the elected
official who did the most to promote the Internet's growth and
development. So what? Praising Gore for that is like lauding the first
bankers who loaned Henry Ford some money.
http://www.walthowe.com/navnet/history.html
.
User: "Governor Swill"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 25 Jun 2006 04:09:38 AM
On 24 Jun 2006 07:09:33 -0700, "marc0ni@earthlink.net"
<marc0ni@earthlink.net> wrote:

Well, a distortion of what he actually said, anyway. In a 1999 CNN
interview, Gore claimed that "During my service in the United States
Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

But considering the fact that Gore wasn't in Congress in 1999

"1999"?

when
Arpanet was created or even by 1974 when the *term* "Internet" started
being widely used,

Plagarist! :-)

even Gore's actual words are an exaggeration of what
he actually accomplished. Gore *is* credited with being the elected
official who did the most to promote the Internet's growth and
development. So what?

So, a poor choice of words during an interview turned into a joke. Can
you say "Nukular"?

Praising Gore for that is like lauding the first
bankers who loaned Henry Ford some money.

http://www.walthowe.com/navnet/history.html

Swill
--
Follow the money. Google "petrodollars" and you'll learn the *real* price of a gallon of gas.
.
User: "P No Gree G O"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 25 Jun 2006 09:51:32 AM
Governor Swill wrote:

On 24 Jun 2006 07:09:33 -0700, "marc0ni@earthlink.net"
<marc0ni@earthlink.net> wrote:


Well, a distortion of what he actually said, anyway. In a 1999 CNN
interview, Gore claimed that "During my service in the United States
Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

But considering the fact that Gore wasn't in Congress in 1999



"1999"?


when
Arpanet was created or even by 1974 when the *term* "Internet" started
being widely used,



Plagarist! :-)


even Gore's actual words are an exaggeration of what
he actually accomplished. Gore *is* credited with being the elected
official who did the most to promote the Internet's growth and
development. So what?



So, a poor choice of words during an interview turned into a joke. Can
you say "Nukular"?

You're equating a mispronounced word with a near bald-faced lie?
PLONK



Praising Gore for that is like lauding the first
bankers who loaned Henry Ford some money.

http://www.walthowe.com/navnet/history.html



Swill

.
User: "Governor Swill"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 25 Jun 2006 10:45:26 PM
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:51:32 GMT, P No Gree G O <Pino@hotmail.com>
wrote:

even Gore's actual words are an exaggeration of what
he actually accomplished. Gore *is* credited with being the elected
official who did the most to promote the Internet's growth and
development. So what?



So, a poor choice of words during an interview turned into a joke. Can
you say "Nukular"?


You're equating a mispronounced word with a near bald-faced lie?

You think I like Al Gore any better than you do? I wrote in "Alfred
E. Neuman" in 2000. And to finally make a horrifying admission. I
didn't even bother in 2004. Kerry drove me right out of the polls.
Kerry and Kennedy. Wth is wrong with politics in Massachusetts?
Then how about failing to get "Afghanistan" out of his mouth once in
three tries during an interview during the 2000 primaries?
Or how about when he announced that *he'd* never said Iraq had
anything to do with that tragedy. But the rest of his Administration
did.

PLONK

Coward.
It drives them nuts when they can't seem to pigeonhole me. Lol!
Swill
--
Follow the money. Google "petrodollars" and you'll learn the *real* price of a gallon of gas.
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 25 Jun 2006 09:52:16 AM
Governor Swill wrote:

On 24 Jun 2006 07:09:33 -0700, "marc0ni@earthlink.net"
<marc0ni@earthlink.net> wrote:

Well, a distortion of what he actually said, anyway. In a 1999 CNN
interview, Gore claimed that "During my service in the United States
Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

But considering the fact that Gore wasn't in Congress in 1999


"1999"?

Obvious typo


when
Arpanet was created or even by 1974 when the *term* "Internet" started
being widely used,


Plagarist! :-)

Not really. I put it in my own words.


even Gore's actual words are an exaggeration of what
he actually accomplished. Gore *is* credited with being the elected
official who did the most to promote the Internet's growth and
development. So what?


So, a poor choice of words during an interview turned into a joke. Can
you say "Nukular"?

Like Jimmy Carter? But the point for Gore defenders is this: even
though Gore didn't *really* say he'd "invented" the Internet, in the
CNN interview he did puff himself up as the Internet's chief promoter.
Considering that by the time Gore got around to "promoting" the
Internet computer networking was already a long-established, proven
technology that was growing by itself, it was hardly a political risk
for him to get out in front and lead the parade.


Praising Gore for that is like lauding the first
bankers who loaned Henry Ford some money.

http://www.walthowe.com/navnet/history.html


Swill
--
Follow the money. Google "petrodollars" and you'll learn the *real* price of a gallon of gas.

.
User: "Governor Swill"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 25 Jun 2006 10:46:44 PM
On 25 Jun 2006 07:52:16 -0700, "marc0ni@earthlink.net"
<marc0ni@earthlink.net> wrote:

Like Jimmy Carter? But the point for Gore defenders is this: even
though Gore didn't *really* say he'd "invented" the Internet, in the
CNN interview he did puff himself up as the Internet's chief promoter.
Considering that by the time Gore got around to "promoting" the
Internet computer networking was already a long-established, proven
technology that was growing by itself, it was hardly a political risk
for him to get out in front and lead the parade.

Gore was the leading light of internet support in Congress at the
time. Much of the expansion of the internet during the nineties was
due to the political clout Gore was able to wield at the time. That
said, I doubt he'd have made all that great a President.
Swill
--
Follow the money. Google "petrodollars" and you'll learn the *real* price of a gallon of gas.
.
User: "Robert"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 26 Jun 2006 02:55:40 PM
"Governor Swill" <governorswill@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On 25 Jun 2006 07:52:16 -0700, "marc0ni@earthlink.net"
<marc0ni@earthlink.net> wrote:

Like Jimmy Carter? But the point for Gore defenders is this: even
though Gore didn't *really* say he'd "invented" the Internet, in the
CNN interview he did puff himself up as the Internet's chief promoter.

Right - he "really" said he CREATED the Internet.
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User: "SHb"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 26 Jun 2006 08:44:14 PM
The dems should get befind Gore before he solves Global Warming.
It would really help the /Dem's image.
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On 25 Jun 2006 07:52:16 -0700, "marc0ni@earthlink.net"
<marc0ni@earthlink.net> wrote:

Like Jimmy Carter? But the point for Gore defenders is this: even
though Gore didn't *really* say he'd "invented" the Internet, in the
CNN interview he did puff himself up as the Internet's chief promoter.


Right - he "really" said he CREATED the Internet.

=========clip================

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price

of a gallon of gas.

Robert


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User: "MS"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 26 Jun 2006 09:41:04 PM
Gore is working in Internet Warming.
The Dems don't have an image. That's why we get lame candidates like
Gore and Kerry!
On 2006-06-26 18:44:14 -0700, "SHb" <sherb@iNO_SPAMntergate.com> said:

The dems should get befind Gore before he solves Global Warming.
It would really help the /Dem's image.


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On 25 Jun 2006 07:52:16 -0700, "marc0ni@earthlink.net"
<marc0ni@earthlink.net> wrote:

Like Jimmy Carter? But the point for Gore defenders is this: even
though Gore didn't *really* say he'd "invented" the Internet, in the
CNN interview he did puff himself up as the Internet's chief promoter.


Right - he "really" said he CREATED the Internet.

=========clip================

Swill
--
Follow the money. Google "petrodollars" and you'll learn the *real* price

of a gallon of gas.

Robert

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User: "jayembee"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 27 Jun 2006 12:42:49 AM
MS <none@attbi.com> wrote:

The Dems don't have an image. That's why we get lame candidates
like Gore and Kerry!

Against one of those "lame" candidates, Bush (a) lost the popular
vote, and (b) got the absolute minimum number of electoral votes
he needed to win. And he didn't do a whole lot better against the
other "lame" candidate.
-- jayembee
.
User: "Governor Swill"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 29 Jun 2006 12:22:33 AM
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:42:49 GMT, jayembee
<jayembeenospam@snurcher.com> wrote:

MS <none@attbi.com> wrote:

The Dems don't have an image. That's why we get lame candidates
like Gore and Kerry!


Against one of those "lame" candidates, Bush (a) lost the popular
vote, and (b) got the absolute minimum number of electoral votes
he needed to win. And he didn't do a whole lot better against the
other "lame" candidate.

Gore was too young and too liberal to be elected. That Bush squeaked
by somehow is a testament to how lame the GOP candidate was in 2000
also. I honestly believe McCain could have won handily. Unfortunately
he wouldn't play ball with the oil companies or the Fed so got
disredited during the primaries.
When you consider how much of the country was disgusted with Bush
already, Kerry's showing certainly qualifies him as lame. Kerry was
making great headway and from all I could see, was headed for a win in
November. He'd actually volunteered and served thus blunting the
right's complaints about Clinton's draft dodging (we see how much the
right *really* cared about dodging military service when they elected
Bush). Democrats were more enthused about voting than in 2k and
traditional third party voters were swinging towards him so as not to
repeat the split that cost Gore the White House in 2000.
And Kerry still lost.
2000 was two lame candidates.
2004 was a lame candidate against a lame incumbent
Swill
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User: "P No Gree G O"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 27 Jun 2006 09:38:49 AM
jayembee wrote:

MS <none@attbi.com> wrote:


The Dems don't have an image. That's why we get lame candidates
like Gore and Kerry!



Against one of those "lame" candidates, Bush (a) lost the popular
vote,

Just like Clinton.

and (b) got the absolute minimum number of electoral votes
he needed to win. And he didn't do a whole lot better against the
other "lame" candidate.

Just like Clinton.
.
User: "Governor Swill"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 29 Jun 2006 12:23:17 AM
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:38:49 GMT, P No Gree G O <Pino@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Against one of those "lame" candidates, Bush (a) lost the popular
vote,


Just like Clinton.


and (b) got the absolute minimum number of electoral votes
he needed to win. And he didn't do a whole lot better against the
other "lame" candidate.


Just like Clinton.

And too Bush's credit, he didn't have a Perot to bleed the
conservatives of votes.
Swill
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User: "Ubiquitous"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 01:17:27 PM
In article <bYLmg.267$M_7.256@fe02.lga>,
wrote:

Global warming is real. Go read http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13474997/

*snicker*
--
"The sky was low and heavy, like the brow of a retarded child."
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User: "MS"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 03:28:29 PM
On 2006-06-23 11:17:27 -0700, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> said:

In article <bYLmg.267$M_7.256@fe02.lga>,

wrote:

Global warming is real. Go read http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13474997/


*snicker*

Are you trying to tell me that Al Gore developed Snickers bars also?
.
User: "Ubiquitous"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 05:07:54 PM
In article <2006062313282916807-none@attbicom>,
wrote:

On 2006-06-23 11:17:27 -0700, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> said:

In article <bYLmg.267$M_7.256@fe02.lga>,

wrote:

Global warming is real. Go read http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13474997/


*snicker*


Are you trying to tell me that Al Gore developed Snickers bars also?

It would not surprise me if he tried at some point.
Wasn't there a Snickers ad with him doing just that?
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the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
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User: "ANIM8Rfsk"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 11:52:14 PM
in article -uSdnU0_y7un-wHZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com, Ubiquitous at
weberm@polaris.net wrote on 6/23/06 3:07 PM:

In article <2006062313282916807-none@attbicom>,

wrote:

On 2006-06-23 11:17:27 -0700, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> said:

In article <bYLmg.267$M_7.256@fe02.lga>,

wrote:


Global warming is real. Go read http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13474997/


*snicker*


Are you trying to tell me that Al Gore developed Snickers bars also?


It would not surprise me if he tried at some point.

Wasn't there a Snickers ad with him doing just that?

Yeah. I remember the tag line.
"Al Gore -- every time he opens his mouth, everyone Snickers!"
.


User: "shawn"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 04:05:54 PM
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:28:29 -0700, MS <none@attbi.com> wrote:

On 2006-06-23 11:17:27 -0700, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> said:

In article <bYLmg.267$M_7.256@fe02.lga>,

wrote:

Global warming is real. Go read http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13474997/


*snicker*


Are you trying to tell me that Al Gore developed Snickers bars also?

Al Gore invented everything. He is the man!
.



User: "MS"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 09:54:59 AM
On 2006-06-22 23:34:47 -0700, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> said:



MS wrote:

Gore should go back to inventing another internet! He's an egotistical fool.


Global warming is real. Go read http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13474997/

Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear. He cites hundreds of scientific
references proving that it is not real, but a means to get funding.
.
User: "William December Starr"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 09:27:02 PM
In article <2006062307545916807-none@attbicom>,
MS <none@attbi.com> said:

Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear. He cites hundreds of
scientific references proving that it is not real, but a means
to get funding.

I stand in awe of your invincible gullibility.
--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>
.
User: "Lava"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 09:56:35 PM
"William December Starr" <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote in message
news:e7i7tm$n64$1@panix1.panix.com...

In article <2006062307545916807-none@attbicom>,
MS <none@attbi.com> said:

Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear. He cites hundreds of
scientific references proving that it is not real, but a means
to get funding.


I stand in awe of your invincible gullibility.

--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>

Hey! Crichton also wrote Juraissic Park! Back off.
Lava
~Not to mention produces ER.
.
User: "ANIM8Rfsk"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 23 Jun 2006 11:37:11 PM
in article DR1ng.11189$o4.2527@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net, Lava at
yeahright@hotmail.coom wrote on 6/23/06 7:56 PM:


"William December Starr" <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote in message
news:e7i7tm$n64$1@panix1.panix.com...

In article <2006062307545916807-none@attbicom>,
MS <none@attbi.com> said:

Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear. He cites hundreds of
scientific references proving that it is not real, but a means
to get funding.


I stand in awe of your invincible gullibility.

--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>


Hey! Crichton also wrote Juraissic Park! Back off.

Yeah, but he wrote THE LOST WORLD, one of the worst books ever written, the
book so bad ANY movie version would be an improvement, and Speilberg
actually managed the impossible, and made a movie worst than the book.
.
User: "Lava"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 24 Jun 2006 05:09:45 AM
"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C0C20F86.84998%ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net...

in article DR1ng.11189$o4.2527@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net, Lava at
yeahright@hotmail.coom wrote on 6/23/06 7:56 PM:


"William December Starr" <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote in message
news:e7i7tm$n64$1@panix1.panix.com...

In article <2006062307545916807-none@attbicom>,
MS <none@attbi.com> said:

Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear. He cites hundreds of
scientific references proving that it is not real, but a means
to get funding.


I stand in awe of your invincible gullibility.

--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>


Hey! Crichton also wrote Juraissic Park! Back off.


Yeah, but he wrote THE LOST WORLD, one of the worst books ever written,

the

book so bad ANY movie version would be an improvement, and Speilberg
actually managed the impossible, and made a movie worst than the book.

Therefore you should see my sarcasm for citing Crichton as a reliable source
on Global Warming.
But keep in mind I live in Las Vegas. Today is going to be about 110F so
you may understand if I don't give a flying ***** about Global Warming when a
trip to the store is like a hair dryer to your face.
Lava
CO2 RULES!!!
.
User: "cloud dreamer"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 24 Jun 2006 08:11:50 AM
Lava wrote:

"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C0C20F86.84998%ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net...

in article DR1ng.11189$o4.2527@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net, Lava at
yeahright@hotmail.coom wrote on 6/23/06 7:56 PM:


"William December Starr" <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote in message
news:e7i7tm$n64$1@panix1.panix.com...

In article <2006062307545916807-none@attbicom>,
MS <none@attbi.com> said:


Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear. He cites hundreds of
scientific references proving that it is not real, but a means
to get funding.


I stand in awe of your invincible gullibility.

--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>

Hey! Crichton also wrote Juraissic Park! Back off.


Yeah, but he wrote THE LOST WORLD, one of the worst books ever written,


the

book so bad ANY movie version would be an improvement, and Speilberg
actually managed the impossible, and made a movie worst than the book.



Therefore you should see my sarcasm for citing Crichton as a reliable source
on Global Warming.

But keep in mind I live in Las Vegas. Today is going to be about 110F so
you may understand if I don't give a flying ***** about Global Warming when a
trip to the store is like a hair dryer to your face.

These people that are in self-denial over global warming should come a
little farther north to see just how real it is. Thirty years ago we had
ice off the coast every winter. Some years it went to the horizon for
months on end. Icebergs would sit off the coast until August. Winter
started in November and ended in April.
In the last few years, there has been "zero" ice off the coast. This
year, I never saw a single pan of ice. I've seen maybe five icebergs in
10 years. This year, winter started in February and ended in March. The
winters before, it started in January and ended in March. The ocean off
the coast is also the warmest in record. Last year, it averaged 17
celcius and a friend working on the Hibernia Oil Platform said the ocean
was green - something he had never seen before.
A friend has been working on Baffin Island the last few years and the
changes up there are even more profound. No one can tell me global
warming is not happening. I have to wonder if any of these fools that
don't believe would build a house on the beach knowing the ocean levels
are predicted to rise a meter in the next twenty years (and at least
three meters by 2100).
..
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User: "Governor Swill"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 25 Jun 2006 04:03:55 AM
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:41:50 -0230, cloud dreamer
<invalid@lnvalid.com> wrote:

A friend has been working on Baffin Island the last few years and the
changes up there are even more profound. No one can tell me global
warming is not happening. I have to wonder if any of these fools that
don't believe would build a house on the beach knowing the ocean levels
are predicted to rise a meter in the next twenty years (and at least
three meters by 2100).

I've seen too many figures disputing that much ocean rise that
quickly. That said, the rise is significant and even a meter can do a
lot of damage to coastal areas. For example it would cause more surge
damage from ocean storms.
Swill
--
Follow the money. Google "petrodollars" and you'll learn the *real* price of a gallon of gas.
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User: "P No Gree G O"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 25 Jun 2006 09:50:12 AM
Governor Swill wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:41:50 -0230, cloud dreamer
<invalid@lnvalid.com> wrote:


A friend has been working on Baffin Island the last few years and the
changes up there are even more profound. No one can tell me global
warming is not happening. I have to wonder if any of these fools that
don't believe would build a house on the beach knowing the ocean levels
are predicted to rise a meter in the next twenty years (and at least
three meters by 2100).



I've seen too many figures disputing that much ocean rise that
quickly. That said, the rise is significant and even a meter can do a
lot of damage to coastal areas. For example it would cause more surge
damage from ocean storms.

When you pour a glass of iced tea and then add ice cubes and then they
melt, does your tea overflow the glass?
Just checking...
.
User: "Governor Swill"

Title: Re: Gore Slams Global Warming Critics On TV 25 Jun 2006 01:51:22 PM
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:50:12 GMT, P No Gree G O <Pino@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I've seen too many figures disputing that much ocean rise that
quickly. That said, the rise is significant and even a meter can do a
lot of damage to coastal areas. For example it would cause more surge
damage from ocean storms.


When you pour a glass of iced tea and then add ice cubes and then they
melt, does your tea overflow the glass?

No. This is why the melting of the north polar cap is of no concern
in ocean rise calculations. But the melting of *land* based ice
sheets is something else. Whether it's glaciers in the Himalayas,
Alps or High Sierras, or the Greenland, Antartic and north Canadian
ice sheets, all that water eventually makes it's way to the sea. Since
most of the planet's ice is on land, ocean rise is a real danger. The
Antartic sheet is miles thick. Up to seven miles in some spots.
Swill
--
Follow the money. Google "petrodollars" and you'll learn the *real* price of a gallon of gas.
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