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"Captain Compassion" |
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23 Apr 2007 10:52:48 AM |
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Gun crackdown aims at bullets |
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Guns don't kill, bullets do, argues Assemblyman Kevin de León, a Los
Angeles Democrat who is pushing the idea.
"I think it will lead to fewer deaths," he said of regulating handgun
ammunition. "But I don't believe it's an end-all or a panacea."
The freshman legislator said his bill is particularly timely, given
the rampage at Virginia Tech that left 33 people dead.
De León has proposed Assembly Bill 362 as a step toward making
California the first state to conduct instant background checks on
buyers of handgun bullets.
Among its provisions, the bill would require that personal information
be collected from buyers of handgun ammunition, that such transactions
be conducted face-to-face, not by mail, and that retailers store their
handgun ammunition behind counters.
Critics claim that tighter regulation of bullet sales would create
more hassles and higher costs for gun enthusiasts, but not necessarily
cut crime.
"I don't consider criminals dumb," said Sam Paredes, executive
director of Gun Owners of California. "They figure out ways to get
around whatever is thrown at them."
"You'd have a lot of guys going to Nevada and bringing back a ton of
bullets," said Wes Lewis of Guns N Stuff in North Highlands.
State law currently requires buyers of handgun ammunition to be 21 or
older. But it does little to ensure compliance or to prevent sales to
felons or individuals with a history of mental instability who can't
own guns legally but might acquire them from friends or on the black
market.
"Believe it or not, you can actually walk into a store today and buy a
box of cartridges much easier than a can of spray paint," de León told
the Assembly Public Safety Committee last week.
Under AB 362, retailers would have to collect and file with the state
Department of Justice the names, addresses, birth dates, signatures,
thumbprints and driver's licenses or identification numbers of all
buyers of handgun ammunition, as well as a description of the bullets
purchased.
Personal information would not be required for rifle and shotgun
ammunition, nor for .22 caliber rounds, which can be used both in
handguns and rifles.
AB 362, effective in July 2008, also would require anyone selling more
than one 50-round box of handgun bullets per month be licensed and
registered as an ammunition dealer.
The bill states legislative intent to launch a system for conducting
instant background checks of handgun-bullet buyers by July 2011. The
attorney general would be required to prepare a report on costs and
feasibility.
Separate legislation by Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles, would
require new semiautomatic firearms to be equipped with a system for
micro-stamping the make, model and serial number of the weapon on each
bullet fired.
The ultimate goal, if both bills are signed into law, is to make it
easier for police to link bullets found at crime scenes with a
specific handgun, a specific box of ammunition, and a database
comprehensive enough to show who bought each.
Costs of launching such a system, or fee increases needed to bankroll
it, are not yet known. Proponents say AB 362 conceivably could hike
the cost of ammunition by $25 per transaction.
De León's legislation was sparked, in part, by the death of a
9-year-old girl, Charupha Wongwisetsiri, who was struck in her Los
Angeles home by a stray bullet from gang gunfire in December.
Handguns were used in more than half of the homicides committed
statewide in 2005 -- 1,547 of 2,503 deaths, according to the state
Department of Justice.
De León's measure, AB 362, passed the Assembly Public Safety Committee
last week on a party-line vote, 5-2, with Democrats supporting it and
Republicans opposed.
"This is just a slippery slope that undermines our (constitutional)
rights" to bear arms, said Assemblyman Joel Anderson, R-Alpine.
Rather than creating new gun-control laws, California should better
enforce ones it has -- including the ban on felons owning firearms, he
said.
"This is silly," Anderson said of AB 362.
Assemblyman Greg Aghazarian, R-Stockton, said the bill would
needlessly "throw up yet another obstacle for honest mom-and-pop
businesses."
Other critics of AB 362 said some of its requirements are impractical
and expensive.
By requiring that ammunition be kept behind a store counter, for
example, critics say that buyers could not easily compare brands and
that sellers would need to have an employee constantly at the ready to
retrieve box after box.
"It would take a two-minute transaction out to 10 minutes," said
Lewis, of Guns N Stuff.
At Cordova Shooting Center in Rancho Cordova, Derek Sullivan, 20, of
San Diego called AB 362 "ridiculous.
"Gun laws are already too strict as it is," he said.
Derek's father, Mike Sullivan, 56, of Granite Bay, said the bill
sounds reasonable but could infringe on privacy and lead to more
unnecessary bureaucracy.
"I think it's a bad idea," said customer David Breidenbach, 53, of
Indianapolis. "It would take too much police time to enforce."
Paredes, of Gun Owners of California, said felons and gang members
could sidestep AB 362 simply by having an acquaintance buy bullets for
them.
Supporters of AB 362 claim that documenting the names of handgun
enthusiasts is nothing new -- gun buyers are already checked.
In Los Angeles, which requires sellers to record the identity of
bullet buyers, more than 10,000 rounds of ammunition were bought in
April and May 2004 by 52 felons or others who are prohibited from such
transactions by state law, according to a Rand Corp. study.
Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, said he supports AB 362 in
hopes that it would close such loopholes.
"I'd rather err on the side of caution," he said.
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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24 Apr 2007 02:56:45 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Why should a LAC object?
Criminals might on the other hand.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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24 Apr 2007 10:08:20 AM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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25 Apr 2007 04:30:11 AM |
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Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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25 Apr 2007 08:47:26 AM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to
keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven
innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
%%%% ROTFLMAO! I mold my own from wheel weights and have for years.
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and
law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own
conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the
law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the
lawless will allow... For society does not control crime, ever, by
forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected
behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals
to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding."
---------- Jeff Snyder
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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25 Apr 2007 09:01:29 AM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to
keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven
innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
So criminals would then illegally make or bring these components in the
country, same as they do with drugs today...
In the end ALL you would have done is punish the honest law-abiding citizens
AND ENABLED the criminals.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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25 Apr 2007 08:52:49 AM |
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(PagCal) wrote in
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Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these
too would require an instant-check to purchase.
And of course, all cocaine is made from components by drug dealers in
their basements, right?
No?
You say it's imported in huge quantities from South America?
Gee... Good thing that could never happen with guns or ammunition.
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "Steve" |
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25 Apr 2007 04:51:05 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
<LOL> You think it's difficult to make your own bullets?
and the brass is reusable... many times.....
people have been doing it for well over a hundred years... for as
long as these types of cartridges have been around.
Crooks need hardly to blink to get around it...
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| User: "PagCal" |
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26 Apr 2007 07:02:02 AM |
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Steve wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
<LOL> You think it's difficult to make your own bullets?
and the brass is reusable... many times.....
people have been doing it for well over a hundred years... for as
long as these types of cartridges have been around.
Sure, if you use a flint lock.
Primers, though, are pretty high tech.
Modern, high velocity explosives, such as used in modern ammunition is
not easy to make either.
Crooks need hardly to blink to get around it...
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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26 Apr 2007 10:01:20 AM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Steve wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to
keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven
innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack,
meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
<LOL> You think it's difficult to make your own bullets?
and the brass is reusable... many times.....
people have been doing it for well over a hundred years... for as
long as these types of cartridges have been around.
Sure, if you use a flint lock.
Primers, though, are pretty high tech.
Modern, high velocity explosives, such as used in modern ammunition is
not easy to make either.
Gun powder is gun powder.
Criminals ALREADY acquire all the ingredients they need to make crank,
crack, and meth.
It would be EASY for them to acquire primers and gun powder.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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27 Apr 2007 06:50:46 AM |
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Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Steve wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to
keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven
innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack,
meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
<LOL> You think it's difficult to make your own bullets?
and the brass is reusable... many times.....
people have been doing it for well over a hundred years... for as
long as these types of cartridges have been around.
Sure, if you use a flint lock.
Primers, though, are pretty high tech.
Modern, high velocity explosives, such as used in modern ammunition is
not easy to make either.
Gun powder is gun powder.
Hardly. You show your ignorance.
Criminals ALREADY acquire all the ingredients they need to make crank,
crack, and meth.
It would be EASY for them to acquire primers and gun powder.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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27 Apr 2007 09:46:07 AM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Steve wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts
to
keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven
innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack,
meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
<LOL> You think it's difficult to make your own bullets?
and the brass is reusable... many times.....
people have been doing it for well over a hundred years... for as
long as these types of cartridges have been around.
Sure, if you use a flint lock.
Primers, though, are pretty high tech.
Modern, high velocity explosives, such as used in modern ammunition is
not easy to make either.
Gun powder is gun powder.
Hardly. You show your ignorance.
Hahahahhaha!!! So, I shot down your dumb idea, in public, and now your're
upset about it... Boohoo....
There is NO SUCH THING as "high velocity explosives."
The "explosives" do not travel ANYWHERE. Gun powder, ignited by a primer,
produces a huge overpressure INSIDE the case which pushes the bullet out (at
high speed).
Gun powder is EASY to obtain.
Criminals ALREADY acquire all the ingredients they need to make crank,
crack, and meth.
It would be EASY for them to acquire primers and gun powder.
Apparently you have nothing to offer....
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| User: "Steve" |
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27 Apr 2007 10:09:56 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:50:46 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Steve wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to
keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven
innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack,
meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
<LOL> You think it's difficult to make your own bullets?
and the brass is reusable... many times.....
people have been doing it for well over a hundred years... for as
long as these types of cartridges have been around.
Sure, if you use a flint lock.
Primers, though, are pretty high tech.
Modern, high velocity explosives, such as used in modern ammunition is
not easy to make either.
Gun powder is gun powder.
Hardly. You show your ignorance.
Irony anyone... Gunpowder, even modern gunpowder is a very simple
compound.. It's not considered high-exlosive, BTW... It's more of a
slow burn item...
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| User: "The Invisible Flying Spaghetti Monster" |
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27 Apr 2007 10:47:35 AM |
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Steve wrote:
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:50:46 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
Gun powder is gun powder.
Hardly. You show your ignorance.
Irony anyone... Gunpowder, even modern gunpowder is a very simple
compound.. It's not considered high-exlosive,
Why do you think it wouldn't be? Are you slowly burning too?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Governor Swill" |
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02 May 2007 04:08:13 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:47:35 -0500, The Invisible Flying Spaghetti
Monster <invisisibleflyingspaghettimonster@yahoo.com> wrote:
Irony anyone... Gunpowder, even modern gunpowder is a very simple
compound.. It's not considered high-exlosive,
Why do you think it wouldn't be? Are you slowly burning too?
Gunpowder doesn't burn fast enough to explode. Like air fuel mixture
in a combustion chamber, it burns rapidly, but does not explode.
Swill
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| User: "Steve" |
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26 Apr 2007 07:28:26 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:02:02 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
<LOL> You think it's difficult to make your own bullets?
and the brass is reusable... many times.....
people have been doing it for well over a hundred years... for as
long as these types of cartridges have been around.
Sure, if you use a flint lock.
My great grandfather molded his own bullets and assembled the
cartridges while sitting around the campfire in the middle of nowhere.
Modern reloading equipment improves on the process and is pretty easy
to use. Most match shooters load their own simply because they can do
a better, more consistent job than the factory loads.
Simple solid lead bullets, BTW, are the preferred recipe for doing
damage to the body and are very easy make.
Primers, though, are pretty high tech.
For you, perhaps. The fact is that people who were obviously smarter
than you started making them back in the civil war.
Modern, high velocity explosives, such as used in modern ammunition is
not easy to make either.
Of course it is... Simple chemical recipe.
Crooks need hardly to blink to get around it...
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| User: "Governor Swill" |
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02 May 2007 04:05:37 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:02:02 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
<LOL> You think it's difficult to make your own bullets?
and the brass is reusable... many times.....
people have been doing it for well over a hundred years... for as
long as these types of cartridges have been around.
Sure, if you use a flint lock.
Primers, though, are pretty high tech.
Modern, high velocity explosives, such as used in modern ammunition is
not easy to make either.
Showing your ignorance there, bud. When I was a kid, my dad used to
make his own bullet and shotgun shells. Low tech compared to an AK,
but it kills things.
Swill
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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25 Apr 2007 10:28:23 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
It would be a muzzle loaders paradise.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "PagCal" |
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26 Apr 2007 07:03:40 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
It would be a muzzle loaders paradise.
Yep. The VT killer could have gotten off what, 3 rounds before being
taken down. As it was, with a modern assault weapons, he got off 170,
and killed 32.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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26 Apr 2007 10:06:04 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:03:40 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
It would be a muzzle loaders paradise.
Yep. The VT killer could have gotten off what, 3 rounds before being
taken down. As it was, with a modern assault weapons, he got off 170,
and killed 32.
So it's ok to kill just a few? He could also strap on a bomb.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "PagCal" |
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27 Apr 2007 06:53:45 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:03:40 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
It would be a muzzle loaders paradise.
Yep. The VT killer could have gotten off what, 3 rounds before being
taken down. As it was, with a modern assault weapons, he got off 170,
and killed 32.
So it's ok to kill just a few? He could also strap on a bomb.
Last time I checked, you can't just walk down to your local store and
buy some Plastique or det-cord.
But, you still can buy all the ammo you want.
So, this doesn't make sense. If both are lethal, then both should
require purchaser checks.
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| User: "Steve" |
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25 Apr 2007 05:36:09 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:28:23 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
It would be a muzzle loaders paradise.
Actually, lots of people will make money reloading cartridges.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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26 Apr 2007 07:05:48 AM |
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Steve wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:28:23 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
It would be a muzzle loaders paradise.
Actually, lots of people will make money reloading cartridges.
Before a manufacturer can transfer ammo, their purchaser would need an
FFL. FFLs are already in place. Before an end user could purchase the
ammo, they would need an instant background check.
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| User: "Steve" |
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| Title: Re: Gun crackdown aims at bullets |
26 Apr 2007 07:28:27 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:05:48 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:28:23 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:30:11 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Patriot Games wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga...
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts:
ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Its not sensible because there has been no review of LAPD's efforts to keep
"guns from gang members and criminals."
Its not sensible because (again) the burden (guilty until proven innocent)
is placed on the law-abiding citizen.
Criminals might on the other hand.
Why would they? They learned how to make their own cocaine, crack, meth.
I'm sure they'll figure out how to make they're own bullets.
Yes, you can assemble your own bullets from components, but these too
would require an instant-check to purchase.
It would be a muzzle loaders paradise.
Actually, lots of people will make money reloading cartridges.
Before a manufacturer can transfer ammo, their purchaser would need an
FFL. FFLs are already in place. Before an end user could purchase the
ammo, they would need an instant background check.
.....and I said, lots of people will make money reloading
cartridges...probably in their basements
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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24 Apr 2007 11:54:16 AM |
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(PagCal) wrote in
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting
efforts: ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Why should a LAC object?
Criminals might on the other hand.
That's pretty silly.
Criminals would view such controls as an absolute boon on two counts.
First, it would provide another marketing opportunity for stolen and
smuggled ammunition to supplement the market provided by the War on
(Some) Drugs.
Second, by disarming the law-abiding civilian populace, it would give
them a much safer work environment.
On the other hand, by eliminating the civilian market for ammunition,
police forces around the country would face soaring costs for their
own supplies.
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "PagCal" |
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25 Apr 2007 04:32:20 AM |
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Bert Hyman wrote:
pagcal@runbox.com (PagCal) wrote in
news:2LiXh.2515$os3.390@newsfe12.lga:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and
require instant background checks of buyers.
By Jim Sanders - Bee Capitol Bureau
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, April 22, 2007
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals,
California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting
efforts: ammunition.
Sounds sensible to me.
Why should a LAC object?
Criminals might on the other hand.
That's pretty silly.
Criminals would view such controls as an absolute boon on two counts.
First, it would provide another marketing opportunity for stolen and
smuggled ammunition to supplement the market provided by the War on
(Some) Drugs.
Second, by disarming the law-abiding civilian populace, it would give
them a much safer work environment.
No one is talking about disarming LACs.
On the other hand, by eliminating the civilian market for ammunition,
police forces around the country would face soaring costs for their
own supplies.
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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24 Apr 2007 10:43:36 PM |
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Whatever the California legislative liberals come up with will only penalize
law-abiding citizens.
They're such liberal kooks, they will get into a pissing contest to see who
can come up with a Bill
that will maximize damage to the 2nd Amendment, and provide the most
aggravation to the law-abiding
folks.
Illegal ammo will be a new boom industry, just like liquor and drugs.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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25 Apr 2007 04:33:40 AM |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
Whatever the California legislative liberals come up with will only penalize
law-abiding citizens.
They're such liberal kooks, they will get into a pissing contest to see who
can come up with a Bill
that will maximize damage to the 2nd Amendment, and provide the most
aggravation to the law-abiding
folks.
Illegal ammo will be a new boom industry, just like liquor and drugs.
This argument is like saying you should legalize Heroine because it can
be purchased illegally.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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25 Apr 2007 07:53:38 AM |
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(PagCal) wrote in
news:VfFXh.2518$OR3.2130@newsfe04.lga:
Docky Wocky wrote:
Whatever the California legislative liberals come up with will
only penalize law-abiding citizens.
They're such liberal kooks, they will get into a pissing contest
to see who can come up with a Bill
that will maximize damage to the 2nd Amendment, and provide the
most aggravation to the law-abiding
folks.
Illegal ammo will be a new boom industry, just like liquor and
drugs.
This argument is like saying you should legalize Heroine because it
can be purchased illegally.
He's simply pointing out the practical side-effects of your proposed
prohibition scheme.
Your prohibition scheme is evil on its face.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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| Title: Re: Gun crackdown aims at bullets |
25 Apr 2007 08:22:37 AM |
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Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in news:Xns991D504D2F1BDVeebleFetzer@
127.0.0.1:
pagcal@runbox.com (PagCal) wrote in
news:VfFXh.2518$OR3.2130@newsfe04.lga:
Docky Wocky wrote:
Whatever the California legislative liberals come up with will
only penalize law-abiding citizens.
They're such liberal kooks, they will get into a pissing contest
to see who can come up with a Bill
that will maximize damage to the 2nd Amendment, and provide the
most aggravation to the law-abiding
folks.
Illegal ammo will be a new boom industry, just like liquor and
drugs.
This argument is like saying you should legalize Heroine because it
can be purchased illegally.
He's simply pointing out the practical side-effects of your proposed
prohibition scheme.
Your prohibition scheme is evil on its face.
It is a rather apt analogy. Opposing prohibitions (drugs, bullets)
because they can be evaded is either "evil" or not. Which is it?
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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25 Apr 2007 10:33:52 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:33:40 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Docky Wocky wrote:
Whatever the California legislative liberals come up with will only penalize
law-abiding citizens.
They're such liberal kooks, they will get into a pissing contest to see who
can come up with a Bill
that will maximize damage to the 2nd Amendment, and provide the most
aggravation to the law-abiding
folks.
Illegal ammo will be a new boom industry, just like liquor and drugs.
This argument is like saying you should legalize Heroine because it can
be purchased illegally.
Exactly. Legalize the stuff.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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