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"Melanie Rocky Ford" |
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26 Jan 2007 10:42:09 PM |
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Gun owners databases - The Democrats are at it again! |
I knew as soon as the fricking Democrats ( marxists! ) got back in power
we'd see more fights for gun control!
http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20070126/NEWS/101260090
January 26, 2007
Legislators consider changes to concealed weapons permit laws
Rebecca Boyle, (Bio) _rboyle@greeleytribune.com_
(mailto:rboyle@greeleytribune.com)
January 26, 2007
DENVER -- When lawmakers allowed Coloradans to obtain permits for
concealed weapons four years ago, part of the package included a
statewide database that
tracks who gets them.
That database is supposed to expire this year, and at least four bills
are floating in the Colorado General Assembly regarding its future.
State Sen. Scott Renfroe, R-Greeley, is carrying a bill that would
eliminate the database altogether. Other lawmakers have offered bills
to the opposite effect.
Another Republican testified this week about a bill that would extend
its life.
State Rep. Al White, R-Winter Park, told the House Judiciary Committee
he would try to toe a very fine line with his measure, House Bill
1174.
"I believe this database is an important piece of being able to
maintain our concealed-carry permit laws as they have existed," he
told the committee shortly before his bill was approved 7-4 Wednesday.
It now heads to the full House for consideration; White doesn't have a
Senate sponsor yet.
White was the co-sponsor of the original 2003 measure that allowed
Coloradans to carry concealed weapons, and he said the pro-gun lobby
has labeled him a
sellout for his latest bill.
"I'm being portrayed by some members of the gun community as being a
communist," he said after the hearing. "I'm getting a lot of negative
vituperation."
White said he owns a gun and supports the right of Coloradans to carry
concealed ones. But if the database tied to that goes away, he said,
many people who supported the original law might turn against it.
That includes the County Sheriffs of Colorado and the Colorado
Association of Chiefs of Police.
Weld County Sheriff John Cooke -- whose office is responsible for
issuing the permits -- opts not to enter permitees' information into
the database. Most counties do use it.
"I don't see the need to put law-abiding citizens in that kind of
database," Cooke said. "I am at odds with the Colorado sheriffs."
Renfroe, whose bill is scheduled to be reviewed by a committee next
week, echoed Cooke's statements.
He disagreed with White's belief that allowing the database to go away,
or letting it "sunset," could jeopardize the long-term rights of gun
owners.
"I never think it's good to think your 2nd Amendment right will be
taken away or infringed upon if you don't make concessions," he said.
State Sen. John Morse, D-Fountain, has yet another bill -- which will
be heard by a committee the same day as Renfroe's -- that would
require concealed weapons carriers only have a permit from Colorado.
Now, if someone is denied a permit in Colorado, they can get one by
mail elsewhere, including through the state of Florida.
Morse, the former police chief of Fountain, a town near Colorado
Springs, said he considered the database an essential law enforcement
tool. It would be nice to know, for instance, whether a car he pulls
over contains a person with a concealed weapons permit.
He always asks anyway, however.
"I had 85-year-old ladies look at me cross-eyed because I would ask
them the same question I would ask a 16-year-old gang banger," he
said.
He said gun owners shouldn't worry about their names being in a state
database.
"It's in all kinds of databases. You have a driver's license, you have
license plates," he said.
Cooke said he supports Morse's bill, because someone with a Colorado
driver's license also should have a Colorado permit.
But he disagreed not having the database would disadvantage law
enforcement.
A fourth bill, which would allow municipalities to decide whether
people should be allowed to have a gun in his or her car, has yet to
go before a committee.
White said one of the main reasons he agreed to carry HB1174 was
because the political climate has changed, with Democrats now
controlling both chambers of the Legislature and the governor's
mansion. He wanted to shore up the database so no one could attack the
permit itself, he said.
"I'm just trying to give everybody a reason not to rock the boat," he
said. "And they're rocking mine now, but that's my job; that's what I
got elected to
do."
What's Next
Senate Bill 69, sponsored by state Sen. Scott Renfroe, R-Greeley, would
eliminate the state's database of concealed weapons permit carriers.
The bill will be heard in the Senate State, Veterans and Military
Affairs Committee at 1:30 p.m. Monday in room 353 at the Capitol in
Denver.
Senate Bill 34, sponsored by State Sen. John Morse, D-Fountain, would
prevent gun owners from carrying a concealed weapons permit from any
state other than Colorado.
The bill will be heard in the Senate Judiciary Committee at 1:30 p.m.
Monday in room 352 at the Capitol in Denver.
--
Have you watched America: Freedom to Fascism yet?
Free video: http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they can.
http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html
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| User: "Jim E" |
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| Title: Re: Gun owners databases - The Democrats are at it again! |
27 Jan 2007 12:58:44 AM |
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"Melanie Rocky Ford" <spoofedatnospam@RockyFord.nat> wrote in message
news:Xns98C4DCC87D26DspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
I knew as soon as the fricking Democrats ( marxists! ) got back in power
we'd see more fights for gun control!
Nothing scares socialist slime like a population that can defend itself.
Jim E
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| User: "Melanie Rocky Ford" |
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| Title: Re: Gun owners databases - The Democrats are at it again! |
27 Jan 2007 11:28:08 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD655359@SEA.edu> wrote :
"Melanie Rocky Ford" <spoofedatnospam@RockyFord.nat> wrote in message
news:Xns98C4DCC87D26DspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
I knew as soon as the fricking Democrats ( marxists! ) got back in
power
we'd see more fights for gun control!
Nothing scares socialist slime like a population that can defend
itself.
Only an armed people can be the real bulwark of popular liberty. -
Vladimir Lenin
"One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ... Make mass searches
and hold executions for found arms." --Vladimir I. Lenin
"If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we
shall disarm it ourselves." --Joseph Stalin
--
Have you watched America: Freedom to Fascism yet?
Free video: http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they can.
http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html
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| User: "Jim E" |
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| Title: Re: Gun owners databases - The Democrats are at it again! |
28 Jan 2007 11:14:33 PM |
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"Melanie Rocky Ford" <spoofedatnospam@RockyFord.nat> wrote in message
news:Xns98C5E49411600spoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
"Jim E" <YD655359@SEA.edu> wrote :
"Melanie Rocky Ford" <spoofedatnospam@RockyFord.nat> wrote in message
news:Xns98C4DCC87D26DspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
I knew as soon as the fricking Democrats ( marxists! ) got back in
power
we'd see more fights for gun control!
Nothing scares socialist slime like a population that can defend
itself.
Only an armed people can be the real bulwark of popular liberty. -
Vladimir Lenin
"One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ... Make mass searches
and hold executions for found arms." --Vladimir I. Lenin
"If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we
shall disarm it ourselves." --Joseph Stalin
Aside from the losertarian angle I agree.
I keep a few weapons, and lots of ammo.
Jim E
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| User: "Melanie Rocky Ford" |
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| Title: Re: Gun owners databases - The Democrats are at it again! |
28 Jan 2007 11:44:51 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD655359@SEA.edu> wrote :
"Melanie Rocky Ford" <spoofedatnospam@RockyFord.nat> wrote in message
news:Xns98C5E49411600spoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
"Jim E" <YD655359@SEA.edu> wrote :
"Melanie Rocky Ford" <spoofedatnospam@RockyFord.nat> wrote in
message
news:Xns98C4DCC87D26DspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
I knew as soon as the fricking Democrats ( marxists! ) got back in
power
we'd see more fights for gun control!
Nothing scares socialist slime like a population that can defend
itself.
Only an armed people can be the real bulwark of popular liberty. -
Vladimir Lenin
"One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ... Make mass
searches
and hold executions for found arms." --Vladimir I. Lenin
"If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm,
we
shall disarm it ourselves." --Joseph Stalin
Aside from the losertarian angle I agree.
I keep a few weapons, and lots of ammo.
I realize that it's hard for coercive collectivists to fully buy into
the principles of freedom.
--
Have you watched America: Freedom to Fascism yet?
Free video: http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they can.
http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html
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| User: "Larry Hewitt" |
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| Title: Re: Gun owners databases - The Democrats are at it again! |
27 Jan 2007 02:43:42 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD655359@SEA.edu> wrote in message
news:520bl9F1merurU1@mid.individual.net...
"Melanie Rocky Ford" <spoofedatnospam@RockyFord.nat> wrote in message
news:Xns98C4DCC87D26DspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
I knew as soon as the fricking Democrats ( marxists! ) got back in power
we'd see more fights for gun control!
Nothing scares socialist slime like a population that can defend itself.
Nah.
It is all these guns in the hands of drunken half brained rightards that is
scary.
Larry
Jim E
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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27 Jan 2007 03:28:22 AM |
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On 27 Jan., 07:58, "Jim E" <YD655...@SEA.edu> wrote:
"Melanie Rocky Ford" <spoofedatnos...@RockyFord.nat> wrote in messagenews:Xns98C4DCC87D26DspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
I knew as soon as the fricking Democrats ( marxists! ) got back in power
we'd see more fights for gun control!Nothing scares socialist slime like a population that can defend itself.
Jim E
You can always count on old faithfull Jim E to come up with something
dumb...
Don't you think that something that causes every year the death of 30
000 people, not mentioning the costs linked to injuries caused by
fire-arms, has to somehow be fixed?
No one in the Western world beside decadent USA has this pathological
obsession with guns. Yet, every single country in the Western world is
many times safer than your moronic country. Why don't you want to fix
it? Why do you hate your country so much?
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