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18 Nov 2005 01:17:45 PM |
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Guy who replaced Robert Scheer at LAT says presidents lying about war is good |
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001523955
Goldberg's First Column Appears in 'L.A.Times' After Shake-Up
By E&P Staff
Published: November 17, 2005 10:55 AM ET
NEW YORK In this month's op-ed shakeup at the Los Angeles Times,
liberal columnist Robert Scheer lost his regular spot, and
conservative pundit Jonah Goldberg gained a position. Goldberg's first
column for the Times appeared today.
It opens, “Stop me if you've heard this already. But there are people
out there - honest, decent, sincere people and deranged moonbats, too
- who think that George W. Bush lied about the threat posed by Saddam
Hussein. No, seriously, it's true."
Then Goldberg posed the question: Even if they are right, so what?
He recalled that “the evidence that FDR lied is far greater than the
evidence that Bush did,” pointing to President Roosevelt's moves and
statements to get us into World War II: “Does this make FDR a bad
president? No. While I have my problems with FDR, most historians are
right to be forgiving of deceit in a just cause. World War II needed
to be fought, and FDR saw this sooner than others.
“Even the most cursory reading of any presidential biography will tell
you that statesmanship requires occasional duplicity….This isn't to
say that the public's trust should be breached lightly, but there are
other competing goods involved in any complex situation.
“Now, you might say that Iraq was no WWII, Saddam was no Hitler, and
9/11 was no Pearl Harbor. Those are all fair arguments with varying
degrees of merit….
“The Bush Doctrine is not chiefly about WMD and never was. Like FDR's
vision, it balances democracy, security and morality….
If Bush succeeds - still a big if - the painful irony for Bush's
critics is that he will go down in history as a great president, even
if he lied, while they will take their paranoia to their graves.”
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Hell - Lyndon Johnson also lied us into war though Goldberg doesn't
mention that since Nam was an unpopular war. Fact is we're lied into
every war.
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| User: "Robert R." |
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| Title: Re: Guy who replaced Robert Scheer at LAT says presidents lying about war is good |
19 Nov 2005 10:48:43 AM |
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For anyone who wants to see what Jonah "Jabba the Hack" Goldberg is all
about, google his feud with Juan Cole. It's hilarious. The guy is an
absolutely shameless little neo-con puke.
Robert R.
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| User: "Stones" |
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| Title: How the Dems will win the next election - it's official! |
18 Nov 2005 02:08:03 PM |
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The last elections have brought a new 100%-sure recipe to win the
presidential elections:
Get the most worthless member of the party.
Make up some nice stories about him, lie about the embarassing ones.
Spit at the other candidate from all positions.
Have him babble every time he opens his mouth.
Don't let the common Americans touch him.
Promise the filthy rich even more dough.
Then show the world how idiot your candidate is.
F_ck all the American values - after that call them moral values.
Well, that's all.
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| User: "Rob Olsen" |
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| Title: Re: How the Dems will win the next election - it's official! |
18 Nov 2005 02:25:37 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:08:03 -0500, "Stones" <tom0097@comcast.net>
wrote:
The last elections have brought a new 100%-sure recipe to win the
presidential elections:
Get the most worthless member of the party.
Make up some nice stories about him, lie about the embarassing ones.
Spit at the other candidate from all positions.
Have him babble every time he opens his mouth.
Don't let the common Americans touch him.
Promise the filthy rich even more dough.
Then show the world how idiot your candidate is.
F_ck all the American values - after that call them moral values.
Well, that's all.
Can bush run on the Democratic ticket ?
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"The only truly new ideas [the right] has come up with
in the last twenty years are:(1) supply side economics, which is a way of redistributing
the wealth upward toward those who already have more than
they know what to do with, and; (2) creationism, which is a parallel idea for redistributing
ignorance out from its fundamentalist strongholds to those
who know more than they need to.
-Barbara Ehrenreich
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| User: "Steve" |
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| Title: Re: Guy who replaced Robert Scheer at LAT says presidents lying about war is good |
18 Nov 2005 01:32:21 PM |
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001523955
Goldberg's First Column Appears in 'L.A.Times' After Shake-Up
By E&P Staff
Published: November 17, 2005 10:55 AM ET
NEW YORK In this month's op-ed shakeup at the Los Angeles Times,
liberal columnist Robert Scheer lost his regular spot, and
conservative pundit Jonah Goldberg gained a position. Goldberg's first
column for the Times appeared today.
It opens, "Stop me if you've heard this already. But there are people
out there - honest, decent, sincere people and deranged moonbats, too
- who think that George W. Bush lied about the threat posed by Saddam
Hussein. No, seriously, it's true."
Then Goldberg posed the question: Even if they are right, so what?
He recalled that "the evidence that FDR lied is far greater than the
evidence that Bush did," pointing to President Roosevelt's moves and
statements to get us into World War II: "Does this make FDR a bad
president? No. While I have my problems with FDR, most historians are
right to be forgiving of deceit in a just cause. World War II needed
to be fought, and FDR saw this sooner than others.
"Even the most cursory reading of any presidential biography will tell
you that statesmanship requires occasional duplicity....This isn't to
say that the public's trust should be breached lightly, but there are
other competing goods involved in any complex situation.
"Now, you might say that Iraq was no WWII, Saddam was no Hitler, and
9/11 was no Pearl Harbor. Those are all fair arguments with varying
degrees of merit....
This is certainly my favorite part of Jonah Goldeberg's column is where
he tries to tie 9/11 with Iraq and Saddam Hussein:
"Now, you might say that Iraq was no WWII, Saddam was no Hitler, and
9/11 was no Pearl Harbor. Those are all fair arguments with varying
degrees of merit...."
Steve
"The Bush Doctrine is not chiefly about WMD and never was. Like FDR's
vision, it balances democracy, security and morality....
If Bush succeeds - still a big if - the painful irony for Bush's
critics is that he will go down in history as a great president, even
if he lied, while they will take their paranoia to their graves."
-------------------------------------------------
Hell - Lyndon Johnson also lied us into war though Goldberg doesn't
mention that since Nam was an unpopular war. Fact is we're lied into
every war.
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| User: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" |
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| Title: Re: Guy who replaced Robert Scheer at LAT says presidents lying about war is good |
19 Nov 2005 10:40:44 AM |
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Steve wrote:
This is certainly my favorite part of Jonah Goldeberg's column is where
he tries to tie 9/11 with Iraq and Saddam Hussein:
His name is jonah goldberg so you know he's another treasonous israel
firster.
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