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Hate at the Local Mosque |
The New York Times
May 6, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Hate at the Local Mosque
By ASRA Q. NOMANI
MORGANTOWN, West Virginia -- Not long ago in my little mosque around
the corner from a McDonald's, a student from the university here
delivered a sermon. To love the Prophet Muhammad, he said, "is to hate
those who hate him." He railed against man-made doctrines [i.e.,
democracy] that replace Islamic law, and excoriated the "enemies of
Islam" who deny strict adherence to Sunnah, or the ways of Muhammad.
Sadly, I have learned that the realization of an inclusive Islam is a
fragile thing, even in this country. Americans need not look elsewhere
to hear hate-filled rhetoric preached by fundamentalists. It resounds
in our own back yards.
Like many small mosques, mine does not have an imam. Instead, a
governing board -- which appoints its own members -- sets policy. An
elected executive committee is supposed to decide who will lead
prayers and deliver sermons. With infighting, that committee
disintegrated over the last year, and went vacant after the board
failed to hold elections in November. The board took over managing the
mosque. A month before the student's speech, he and about 10 other men
staged the equivalent of a coup. They appointed five in their ranks as
the "temporary executive committee" and usurped the board's power to
choose who will lead prayers, preach and make management decisions.
These men rally around strict interpretation [i.e., adherence] of the
Koran and Sunnah, which last week entailed a sermon that criticized
women working outside the home and called women who have lost their
chastity worthless. The group has packed the mosque's bookcases with
fundamentalist publications.
Even though a majority of the mosque's membership, which is largely
made up of West Virginia University students and staff members, is
moderate, passivity by it and the board has allowed extremism to take
hold.
It saddens me that these Muslim organizations and my mosque leadership
are reluctant to take a strong stand, because ending hate begins at
home. If Muslims in America and elsewhere expect religious tolerance,
we must ourselves enforce a zero-tolerance policy against preaching
hatred and bigotry.
---
Asra Q. Nomani is the author of "Tantrika" and the forthcoming
"Standing Alone in Mecca."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/opinion/06NOMA.html
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| User: "cLIeNUX user" |
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08 May 2004 12:46:28 PM |
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The New York Times
May 6, 2004
Hey Farley, do you think any Muslim clerics have been one millionth as
effective at arguing for hatred of the US as Bush?
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| User: "Jeffrey Krantz" |
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08 May 2004 08:22:24 PM |
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No they have not. All mooooooooslems will find any excuse to hate America.
"cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
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The New York Times
May 6, 2004
Hey Farley, do you think any Muslim clerics have been one millionth as
effective at arguing for hatred of the US as Bush?
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| User: "Charles Farley" |
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09 May 2004 12:27:31 PM |
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r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote:
Charles Farley wrote:
The New York Times
May 6, 2004
Hate at the Local Mosque
By ASRA Q. NOMANI
He railed against man-made doctrines [i.e., democracy] that
replace Islamic law, and excoriated the "enemies of Islam" who
deny strict adherence to Sunnah, or the ways of Muhammad.
Hey Farley, do you think any Muslim clerics have been one
millionth as effective at arguing for hatred of the US as Bush?
What had Bush done on September 10th? Muslims have hated
'infidels,' women, equality, and democracy long before the
United States existed.
"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make
war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind
a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh
servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!' "
(Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal
rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home."
(Surah 9:73)
"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; these are
the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who
disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them."
(Sura 9:30)
"Men take authority over women... As for those who are disobedient,
admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them."
(Surah 4:34)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends."
(Surah 5:51)
"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given
[Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and
are utterly subdued."
(Surah 9:29)
This last item is in reference to the jizya tax 'infidels' must pay,
as second-class citizens, to their muslim rulers. Today, in Egypt for
example, Christians must pay a jizya tax, simply because they are
'infidels.'
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| User: "cLIeNUX user" |
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09 May 2004 01:44:53 PM |
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r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote:
Charles Farley wrote:
The New York Times
May 6, 2004
Hate at the Local Mosque
By ASRA Q. NOMANI
He railed against man-made doctrines [i.e., democracy] that
replace Islamic law, and excoriated the "enemies of Islam" who
deny strict adherence to Sunnah, or the ways of Muhammad.
Hey Farley, do you think any Muslim clerics have been one
millionth as effective at arguing for hatred of the US as Bush?
What had Bush done on September 10th? Muslims have hated
Set up 9-11.
'infidels,' women, equality, and democracy long before the
United States existed.
"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make
war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind
a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh
servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!' "
(Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal
rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home."
(Surah 9:73)
"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; these are
the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who
disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them."
(Sura 9:30)
"Men take authority over women... As for those who are disobedient,
admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them."
(Surah 4:34)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends."
(Surah 5:51)
"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given
[Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and
are utterly subdued."
(Surah 9:29)
This last item is in reference to the jizya tax 'infidels' must pay,
as second-class citizens, to their muslim rulers. Today, in Egypt for
example, Christians must pay a jizya tax, simply because they are
'infidels.'
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| User: "Charles Farley" |
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09 May 2004 06:12:47 PM |
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r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote
Charles Farley wrote
r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote:
Charles Farley wrote:
The New York Times
May 6, 2004
Hate at the Local Mosque
By ASRA Q. NOMANI
He railed against man-made doctrines [i.e., democracy] that
replace Islamic law, and excoriated the "enemies of Islam" who
deny strict adherence to Sunnah, or the ways of Muhammad.
Hey Farley, do you think any Muslim clerics have been one
millionth as effective at arguing for hatred of the US as Bush?
What had Bush done on September 10th? Muslims have hated
'infidels,' women, equality, and democracy long before the
United States existed.
Set up 9-11.
My opinion of you was already pretty low, but with this
latest bit of idiocy, you've dropped off into the abyss.
It's surprising you haven't already pulled off a Columbine
in your town, before putting yourself out of your misery.
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal
rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home."
(Surah 9:73)
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| User: "Des Perado" |
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09 May 2004 08:01:34 PM |
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Charles, thanks for posting that insight into the Muslim community in
America. We should be very concerned about the Muslim community
living in America. Every time, they seem to be afraid to speak out
against the radicals in their midst.
If they won't cleanse themselves, it is up to the non-Muslims to do
the cleansing for them and chastize them harshly for not taking a
stand against the troublemakers in their community.
Des
"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a12aa624.0405080926.1f5ad13c@posting.google.com...
The New York Times
May 6, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Hate at the Local Mosque
By ASRA Q. NOMANI
MORGANTOWN, West Virginia -- Not long ago in my little mosque around
the corner from a McDonald's, a student from the university here
delivered a sermon. To love the Prophet Muhammad, he said, "is to
hate
those who hate him." He railed against man-made doctrines [i.e.,
democracy] that replace Islamic law, and excoriated the "enemies of
Islam" who deny strict adherence to Sunnah, or the ways of Muhammad.
Sadly, I have learned that the realization of an inclusive Islam is
a
fragile thing, even in this country. Americans need not look
elsewhere
to hear hate-filled rhetoric preached by fundamentalists. It
resounds
in our own back yards.
Like many small mosques, mine does not have an imam. Instead, a
governing board -- which appoints its own members -- sets policy. An
elected executive committee is supposed to decide who will lead
prayers and deliver sermons. With infighting, that committee
disintegrated over the last year, and went vacant after the board
failed to hold elections in November. The board took over managing
the
mosque. A month before the student's speech, he and about 10 other
men
staged the equivalent of a coup. They appointed five in their ranks
as
the "temporary executive committee" and usurped the board's power to
choose who will lead prayers, preach and make management decisions.
These men rally around strict interpretation [i.e., adherence] of
the
Koran and Sunnah, which last week entailed a sermon that criticized
women working outside the home and called women who have lost their
chastity worthless. The group has packed the mosque's bookcases with
fundamentalist publications.
Even though a majority of the mosque's membership, which is largely
made up of West Virginia University students and staff members, is
moderate, passivity by it and the board has allowed extremism to
take
hold.
It saddens me that these Muslim organizations and my mosque
leadership
are reluctant to take a strong stand, because ending hate begins at
home. If Muslims in America and elsewhere expect religious
tolerance,
we must ourselves enforce a zero-tolerance policy against preaching
hatred and bigotry.
---
Asra Q. Nomani is the author of "Tantrika" and the forthcoming
"Standing Alone in Mecca."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/opinion/06NOMA.html
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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09 May 2004 06:13:58 AM |
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In our last episode,
<a12aa624.0405080926.1f5ad13c@posting.google.com>,
the lovely and talented Charles Farley
broadcast on alt.politics:
The New York Times
May 6, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Hate at the Local Mosque
By ASRA Q. NOMANI
MORGANTOWN, West Virginia -- Not long ago in my little mosque around
Like in Morgantown, West Virginia the Christians are any different.
--
Lars Eighner -finger for geek code- http://www.io.com/~eighner/
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
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