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23 Oct 2004 07:13:29 PM |
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Have Any Of You Libbydim ***** Boys Ever Actually Served In The Military? |
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the military?
Oh, I know -- you come popping off at the mouth in these newsgroups, (under
the cover of anonymity), and claim that you are decorated, medal of honor
winning, wounded, heroic veterans who have come to the truth and now oppose
George Bush.
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Because, ya see -- I actually did serve. And I know that anti-American filth
like you are almost certainly little candy ***** teenagers using your daddy's
computer to play out some GI Joe fantasy.
Krusty the Magnificent
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| User: "Joe S." |
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24 Oct 2004 06:25:14 AM |
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"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message
news:FtCed.23526$qH3.10557@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the military?
Oh, I know -- you come popping off at the mouth in these newsgroups,
(under
the cover of anonymity), and claim that you are decorated, medal of honor
winning, wounded, heroic veterans who have come to the truth and now
oppose
George Bush.
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Because, ya see -- I actually did serve.
I doubt it.
And I know that anti-American filth
like you are almost certainly little candy ***** teenagers using your
daddy's
computer to play out some GI Joe fantasy.
Krusty the Magnificent
28 years, 1967 - 1995.
Vietnam, Feb 69 - Feb 70
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Joe
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| User: "Paolo Pizzi" |
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23 Oct 2004 09:22:48 PM |
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"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message
news:FtCed.23526$qH3.10557@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the military?
Oh, I know -- you come popping off at the mouth in these newsgroups,
(under
the cover of anonymity), and claim that you are decorated, medal of honor
winning, wounded, heroic veterans who have come to the truth and now
oppose
George Bush.
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Hey idiot,
maybe you don't realize that you're doing EXACTLY what you accuse
others of doing. Drop the handle, tell us your real name, details of your
military service and MAYBE we'll believe you.
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| User: "Jordan Lund" |
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| Title: Re: Have Any Of You Libbydim ***** Boys Ever Actually Served In The Military? |
25 Oct 2004 06:34:52 PM |
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"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message news:<FtCed.23526$qH3.10557@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
Because, ya see -- I actually did serve. And I know that anti-American filth
like you are almost certainly little candy ***** teenagers using your daddy's
computer to play out some GI Joe fantasy.
Never did, never claimed to, but because I say that anyone can speak
their mind regardless of their personal experience that means I'm 400
times the American that you are.
- Jordan
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| User: "Jingo" |
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25 Oct 2004 06:54:39 PM |
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On 25 Oct 2004 16:34:52 -0700, (Jordan Lund)
wrote:
"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message news:<FtCed.23526$qH3.10557@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
Because, ya see -- I actually did serve. And I know that anti-American filth
like you are almost certainly little candy ***** teenagers using your daddy's
computer to play out some GI Joe fantasy.
Never did, never claimed to, but because I say that anyone can speak
their mind regardless of their personal experience that means I'm 400
times the American that you are.
We were going to ask Krusty the same thing about Bush, Cheney and
Company
Jingo
***
"GOP officials who talked to Bush-Cheney campaign leaders said the leaders have grown more worried about Ohio, Florida and other key states where Bush
lacks a lead with just 10 days until the election. A poll by Ohio University's Scripps Survey Research Center, completed Thursday night, found Kerry
leading 49 percent to 43 percent among registered voters, with a margin of error of five percentage points.
One Republican official described the mood at the top of the campaign as apprehensive. 'Grim' is too strong," the official said. "If we feel this way
a week from now, that will be grim."
--The Washington Post, October 24, 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57458-2004Oct23.html
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| User: "Robert R." |
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25 Oct 2004 08:02:38 PM |
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"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message news:<FtCed.23526$qH3.10557@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Maybe their politician daddies got them into a Stateside rich-boy
unit, like George W. Bush. Or maybe they wanted to go but had their
slots taken by minorities, like Tom DeLay. Or maybe they simply had
"other priorities," like ***** Cheney.
Robert R.
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| User: "hue" |
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26 Oct 2004 01:02:28 PM |
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Maybe you like seeing all of your buddies blown to ***** for
Haliburtin profits. Maybe you just like seeing our fellow Americans
killed just to watch them die horrible deaths.
Does the smell of burnig flesh give you an erection ?
On 25 Oct 2004 18:02:38 -0700, (Robert R.)
wrote:
"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message news:<FtCed.23526$qH3.10557@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Maybe their politician daddies got them into a Stateside rich-boy
unit, like George W. Bush. Or maybe they wanted to go but had their
slots taken by minorities, like Tom DeLay. Or maybe they simply had
"other priorities," like ***** Cheney.
Robert R.
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| User: "hue" |
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26 Oct 2004 01:03:24 PM |
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Then again you probably don't have any friends ???
On 25 Oct 2004 18:02:38 -0700, (Robert R.)
wrote:
"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message news:<FtCed.23526$qH3.10557@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Maybe their politician daddies got them into a Stateside rich-boy
unit, like George W. Bush. Or maybe they wanted to go but had their
slots taken by minorities, like Tom DeLay. Or maybe they simply had
"other priorities," like ***** Cheney.
Robert R.
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| User: "natch" |
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| Title: Re: Have Any Of You Libbydim ***** Boys Ever Actually Served In The Military? |
26 Oct 2004 11:56:35 AM |
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"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message news:<FtCed.23526$qH3.10557@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the military?
Oh, I know -- you come popping off at the mouth in these newsgroups, (under
the cover of anonymity), and claim that you are decorated, medal of honor
winning, wounded, heroic veterans who have come to the truth and now oppose
George Bush.
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Because, ya see -- I actually did serve. And I know that anti-American filth
like you are almost certainly little candy ***** teenagers using your daddy's
computer to play out some GI Joe fantasy.
Krusty the Magnificent
too bad you didnt get shot
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| User: "Ashland Henderson" |
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| Title: Re: Have Any Of You Libbydim ***** Boys Ever Actually Served In The Military? |
25 Oct 2004 08:54:11 PM |
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"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message news:<FtCed.23526$qH3.10557@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the military?
Yep.
Oh, I know -- you come popping off at the mouth in these newsgroups, (under
the cover of anonymity), and claim that you are decorated, medal of honor
winning, wounded, heroic veterans who have come to the truth and now oppose
George Bush.
Nope. But then I'm not another little coward like you posting under a false
name while accusing others of hiding under anonymity. You, on the other hand,
are just another wimp.
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
You think? There's certainly been no evidence of it so far.
Because, ya see -- I actually did serve. And I know that anti-American filth
like you are almost certainly little candy ***** teenagers using your daddy's
computer to play out some GI Joe fantasy.
I don't think you did. The military generally requires a certain amount of
intelligence and moral character and you show no evidence of either. You
seem to be pretty clearly a chickenhawk. Of course who knows. I could see
you on permanent KP duty as an E-1.
Krusty the Magnificent
Like always, the more titles they give themselves the less they have
underneath it.
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| User: "RedOctober90" |
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| Title: Re: Have Any Of You Libbydim ***** Boys Ever Actually Served In The Military? |
26 Oct 2004 04:55:22 PM |
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Sad how some believe military is everything.
You either choose to serve or you don't.. simple as that.
And no, I do not feel sorry for US troops dying in Iraq.. I do feel
sorry for the Iraqi civilians being slaughtered.
An invading force gets treated as one.. regardless of what country it
comes from.
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| User: "Jingo" |
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26 Oct 2004 10:37:23 PM |
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On 26 Oct 2004 14:55:22 -0700, (RedOctober90)
wrote:
Sad how some believe military is everything.
You either choose to serve or you don't.. simple as that.
And no, I do not feel sorry for US troops dying in Iraq.. I do feel
sorry for the Iraqi civilians being slaughtered.
An invading force gets treated as one.. regardless of what country it
comes from.
Yet these same right wing warriors support a bunch of Bush
Administration chicken hawks?
Jingo
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"Now, one of Clinton's laws of politics is this, If one candidate's trying to scare you, and the other one is trying to get you to think,
if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."
--The Last Elected President of the United States, Philadelphia, October 26, 2004
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/26/kerry_clinton/index.html
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| User: "Krusty" |
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26 Oct 2004 10:42:02 PM |
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"chicken hawks"? "right wing warriors"?
C'mon boys. Haven't you come up with any new invective in the last 6 months?
It's so old and depressing.
PUH-FUCKIN-LEEEZZZZEEE!!! Gimme some new material. This old stuff is worn
the ***** OUT!! You are PITIFUL!!
"Jingo" <Jingo@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
news:2u5un0p4ql4keecs1oju26qmqbgsdc93oe@4ax.com...
On 26 Oct 2004 14:55:22 -0700, (RedOctober90)
wrote:
Sad how some believe military is everything.
You either choose to serve or you don't.. simple as that.
And no, I do not feel sorry for US troops dying in Iraq.. I do feel
sorry for the Iraqi civilians being slaughtered.
An invading force gets treated as one.. regardless of what country it
comes from.
Yet these same right wing warriors support a bunch of Bush
Administration chicken hawks?
Jingo
***
"Now, one of Clinton's laws of politics is this, If one candidate's trying
to scare you, and the other one is trying to get you to think,
if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing
to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and
hope."
--The Last Elected President of the United States, Philadelphia, October
26, 2004
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/26/kerry_clinton/index.html
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| User: "VietnamVet" |
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23 Oct 2004 10:53:39 PM |
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Krusty wrote:
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the military?
Oh, I know -- you come popping off at the mouth in these newsgroups, (under
the cover of anonymity), and claim that you are decorated, medal of honor
winning, wounded, heroic veterans who have come to the truth and now oppose
George Bush.
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Because, ya see -- I actually did serve. And I know that anti-American filth
like you are almost certainly little candy ***** teenagers using your daddy's
computer to play out some GI Joe fantasy.
Krusty the Magnificent
Amen to that.
They are all commie loving liberals brought up by new age mothers who
taught them to be little girls.
Not a true Vet among them.
Had a good time today at a Bush rally in Ct.
God bless George W. Bush 2004-2008
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| User: "optikl" |
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23 Oct 2004 09:08:20 PM |
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Krusty wrote:
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the military?
Oh, I know -- you come popping off at the mouth in these newsgroups, (under
the cover of anonymity), and claim that you are decorated, medal of honor
winning, wounded, heroic veterans who have come to the truth and now oppose
George Bush.
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Because, ya see -- I actually did serve. And I know that anti-American filth
like you are almost certainly little candy ***** teenagers using your daddy's
computer to play out some GI Joe fantasy.
Krusty the Magnificent
Speaking of popping off under the cover of anonymity......what's your
NNTP address?
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| User: "Krusty" |
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23 Oct 2004 09:15:45 PM |
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Not to split hairs, optikl@invalid.net, but what's your mother's bra size?
Krusty the Magnificent
"optikl" <optikl@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:o8Eed.296024$MQ5.253599@attbi_s52...
Krusty wrote:
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the
military?
Oh, I know -- you come popping off at the mouth in these newsgroups,
(under
the cover of anonymity), and claim that you are decorated, medal of
honor
winning, wounded, heroic veterans who have come to the truth and now
oppose
George Bush.
But, truthfully -- have any of you pieces of lazy, jobless, gutless *****
ever ACTUALLY served in America's armed forces. Hmmm. I thought not.
Because, ya see -- I actually did serve. And I know that anti-American
filth
like you are almost certainly little candy ***** teenagers using your
daddy's
computer to play out some GI Joe fantasy.
Krusty the Magnificent
Speaking of popping off under the cover of anonymity......what's your
NNTP address?
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| User: "optikl" |
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| Title: Re: Have Any Of You Libbydim ***** Boys Ever Actually Served In TheMilitary? |
23 Oct 2004 09:37:21 PM |
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Krusty wrote:
Not to split hairs, optikl@invalid.net, but what's your mother's bra size?
Krusty the Magnificent
So, you admit you're ignorant of the distinction between an email
address and an NNTP address.
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| User: "Flash" |
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23 Oct 2004 08:24:47 PM |
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Krusty wrote:
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the military?
my pop is not a libdem.
he doesn't use newsgroups but served in ww2 as a carrier pilot, flying
the F4U Corsair. He has a drawer full of medals, was a naval test pilot
at Pax River, crashed once due to enemy fire, once due to in-flight
failure of a jet he was testing, was flight commander of (now
declassified) "Top Secret" "operation snowball" over taiwan (pre-AWACS
Air Early Warning System). He has been an "offical guest" of Taiwan
twice due to the long-lasting friendships he made with their military
leaders and pilots in the late 50's and early 60s.
He is for Kerry, 100%, the first democrat he has supported since JFK.
(He met Truman, too, and considers him one of the finest presidents to
ever hold office...also a democrat).
He finds all neocon rhetoric about democrats horrifying, to the extent
that he believes the noecons are doing irreparable harm to America. He
wants Bush out now, for the good of the country. He believes our
national prestige has been damaged by going to war based on false
assumptions, and the constant stream of neocon policies have put all
americans at risk by isolating us from our allies.
He uses the term "Chicken Hawks" whenever he hears the Bush
administration mentioned.
Over his lifetime, I've seen him take several big-mouthed punks straight
to the ground, often when he was over twice their age (He was an MP in
post WW-2 Japan, too).
C-ya,
Flash
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| User: "Krusty" |
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23 Oct 2004 08:34:02 PM |
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Like I said, one more "...little candy ***** teenager using your daddy's
computer".
Did your "pop" also tell you he had trekked alone to the north pole to
rescue Santa Claus, and walked to school 10 miles in the snow every day, and
personally saved western democracy from the Nazi, and Communist, and
Vietnamese perils? Aren't you awake to the sad-*****, drooling ramblings of
lying old fools like your "pop"?
What pathetic punk losers you and your "pop" are.
Krusty the Magnificent
"Flash" <flashfyre_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:417B0785.3020301@yahoo.com...
Krusty wrote:
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the
military?
my pop is not a libdem.
he doesn't use newsgroups but served in ww2 as a carrier pilot, flying
the F4U Corsair. He has a drawer full of medals, was a naval test pilot
at Pax River, crashed once due to enemy fire, once due to in-flight
failure of a jet he was testing, was flight commander of (now
declassified) "Top Secret" "operation snowball" over taiwan (pre-AWACS
Air Early Warning System). He has been an "offical guest" of Taiwan
twice due to the long-lasting friendships he made with their military
leaders and pilots in the late 50's and early 60s.
He is for Kerry, 100%, the first democrat he has supported since JFK.
(He met Truman, too, and considers him one of the finest presidents to
ever hold office...also a democrat).
He finds all neocon rhetoric about democrats horrifying, to the extent
that he believes the noecons are doing irreparable harm to America. He
wants Bush out now, for the good of the country. He believes our
national prestige has been damaged by going to war based on false
assumptions, and the constant stream of neocon policies have put all
americans at risk by isolating us from our allies.
He uses the term "Chicken Hawks" whenever he hears the Bush
administration mentioned.
Over his lifetime, I've seen him take several big-mouthed punks straight
to the ground, often when he was over twice their age (He was an MP in
post WW-2 Japan, too).
C-ya,
Flash
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| User: "usafguy99" |
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23 Oct 2004 09:04:57 PM |
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I did 9 years in the AF - and if I ever meet you I will beat the living *****
out of you.
You worthless piece of *****.
"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message
news:bFDed.23557$qH3.3615@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Like I said, one more "...little candy ***** teenager using your daddy's
computer".
Did your "pop" also tell you he had trekked alone to the north pole to
rescue Santa Claus, and walked to school 10 miles in the snow every day,
and
personally saved western democracy from the Nazi, and Communist, and
Vietnamese perils? Aren't you awake to the sad-*****, drooling ramblings of
lying old fools like your "pop"?
What pathetic punk losers you and your "pop" are.
Krusty the Magnificent
"Flash" <flashfyre_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:417B0785.3020301@yahoo.com...
Krusty wrote:
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the
military?
my pop is not a libdem.
he doesn't use newsgroups but served in ww2 as a carrier pilot, flying
the F4U Corsair. He has a drawer full of medals, was a naval test pilot
at Pax River, crashed once due to enemy fire, once due to in-flight
failure of a jet he was testing, was flight commander of (now
declassified) "Top Secret" "operation snowball" over taiwan (pre-AWACS
Air Early Warning System). He has been an "offical guest" of Taiwan
twice due to the long-lasting friendships he made with their military
leaders and pilots in the late 50's and early 60s.
He is for Kerry, 100%, the first democrat he has supported since JFK.
(He met Truman, too, and considers him one of the finest presidents to
ever hold office...also a democrat).
He finds all neocon rhetoric about democrats horrifying, to the extent
that he believes the noecons are doing irreparable harm to America. He
wants Bush out now, for the good of the country. He believes our
national prestige has been damaged by going to war based on false
assumptions, and the constant stream of neocon policies have put all
americans at risk by isolating us from our allies.
He uses the term "Chicken Hawks" whenever he hears the Bush
administration mentioned.
Over his lifetime, I've seen him take several big-mouthed punks straight
to the ground, often when he was over twice their age (He was an MP in
post WW-2 Japan, too).
C-ya,
Flash
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| User: "hol99" |
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23 Oct 2004 10:29:09 PM |
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"usafguy99" <a@b.c> wrote in message
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I did 9 years in the AF - and if I ever meet you I will beat the living
*****
out of you.
You worthless piece of *****.
I did 5 in the USMC. 29 Palms, Camp Pendleton, Camp Foster (Okinawa). Spent
a little time in Korea and the Phillipines too. Let me know if you ever bump
into the idiot named after a clown on the Simpsons. I'd like to see what
such a tough talking usenet boy looks like. Maybe take a shot or two at him
myself.
Dave
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| User: "Krusty" |
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23 Oct 2004 09:10:44 PM |
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Sorry usafguy99, I don't hang out at gay bars. I doubt we will ever has the
pleasure of meeting.
ROTFLMAO!! HAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!
Trash.
Krusty the Magnificent
"usafguy99" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:S2Eed.48764$pi7.11225@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
I did 9 years in the AF - and if I ever meet you I will beat the living
*****
out of you.
You worthless piece of *****.
"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message
news:bFDed.23557$qH3.3615@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Like I said, one more "...little candy ***** teenager using your daddy's
computer".
Did your "pop" also tell you he had trekked alone to the north pole to
rescue Santa Claus, and walked to school 10 miles in the snow every day,
and
personally saved western democracy from the Nazi, and Communist, and
Vietnamese perils? Aren't you awake to the sad-*****, drooling ramblings
of
lying old fools like your "pop"?
What pathetic punk losers you and your "pop" are.
Krusty the Magnificent
"Flash" <flashfyre_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:417B0785.3020301@yahoo.com...
Krusty wrote:
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the
military?
my pop is not a libdem.
he doesn't use newsgroups but served in ww2 as a carrier pilot, flying
the F4U Corsair. He has a drawer full of medals, was a naval test
pilot
at Pax River, crashed once due to enemy fire, once due to in-flight
failure of a jet he was testing, was flight commander of (now
declassified) "Top Secret" "operation snowball" over taiwan (pre-AWACS
Air Early Warning System). He has been an "offical guest" of Taiwan
twice due to the long-lasting friendships he made with their military
leaders and pilots in the late 50's and early 60s.
He is for Kerry, 100%, the first democrat he has supported since JFK.
(He met Truman, too, and considers him one of the finest presidents to
ever hold office...also a democrat).
He finds all neocon rhetoric about democrats horrifying, to the extent
that he believes the noecons are doing irreparable harm to America. He
wants Bush out now, for the good of the country. He believes our
national prestige has been damaged by going to war based on false
assumptions, and the constant stream of neocon policies have put all
americans at risk by isolating us from our allies.
He uses the term "Chicken Hawks" whenever he hears the Bush
administration mentioned.
Over his lifetime, I've seen him take several big-mouthed punks
straight
to the ground, often when he was over twice their age (He was an MP in
post WW-2 Japan, too).
C-ya,
Flash
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That was funny?
I bet the gerbil you shoved up your ***** has more brains then you do.
"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message
news:BbEed.23574$qH3.14549@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Sorry usafguy99, I don't hang out at gay bars. I doubt we will ever has
the
pleasure of meeting.
ROTFLMAO!! HAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!
Trash.
Krusty the Magnificent
"usafguy99" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:S2Eed.48764$pi7.11225@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
I did 9 years in the AF - and if I ever meet you I will beat the living
*****
out of you.
You worthless piece of *****.
"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message
news:bFDed.23557$qH3.3615@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Like I said, one more "...little candy ***** teenager using your daddy's
computer".
Did your "pop" also tell you he had trekked alone to the north pole to
rescue Santa Claus, and walked to school 10 miles in the snow every
day,
and
personally saved western democracy from the Nazi, and Communist, and
Vietnamese perils? Aren't you awake to the sad-*****, drooling ramblings
of
lying old fools like your "pop"?
What pathetic punk losers you and your "pop" are.
Krusty the Magnificent
"Flash" <flashfyre_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:417B0785.3020301@yahoo.com...
Krusty wrote:
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the
military?
my pop is not a libdem.
he doesn't use newsgroups but served in ww2 as a carrier pilot,
flying
the F4U Corsair. He has a drawer full of medals, was a naval test
pilot
at Pax River, crashed once due to enemy fire, once due to in-flight
failure of a jet he was testing, was flight commander of (now
declassified) "Top Secret" "operation snowball" over taiwan
(pre-AWACS
Air Early Warning System). He has been an "offical guest" of Taiwan
twice due to the long-lasting friendships he made with their
military
leaders and pilots in the late 50's and early 60s.
He is for Kerry, 100%, the first democrat he has supported since
JFK.
(He met Truman, too, and considers him one of the finest presidents
to
ever hold office...also a democrat).
He finds all neocon rhetoric about democrats horrifying, to the
extent
that he believes the noecons are doing irreparable harm to America.
He
wants Bush out now, for the good of the country. He believes our
national prestige has been damaged by going to war based on false
assumptions, and the constant stream of neocon policies have put all
americans at risk by isolating us from our allies.
He uses the term "Chicken Hawks" whenever he hears the Bush
administration mentioned.
Over his lifetime, I've seen him take several big-mouthed punks
straight
to the ground, often when he was over twice their age (He was an MP
in
post WW-2 Japan, too).
C-ya,
Flash
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23 Oct 2004 10:26:19 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:34:02 -0500, "Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool>
wrote:
Like I said, one more "...little candy ***** teenager using your daddy's
computer".
Did your "pop" also tell you he had trekked alone to the north pole to
rescue Santa Claus, and walked to school 10 miles in the snow every day, and
personally saved western democracy from the Nazi, and Communist, and
Vietnamese perils? Aren't you awake to the sad-*****, drooling ramblings of
lying old fools like your "pop"?
What pathetic punk losers you and your "pop" are.
Krusty the Magnificent
You don't remotely talk like ex-military.
How about a little data and specifics about your supposed service to back up
your big mouth? That shouldn't be too hard if you really served. We can cross
reference anything you provide with real known vets.
So, how about it, troop? Before you challenge anybody else that actually
served, you shouldn't mind establishing some credentials and a little
credibility. Any real vet could do that with no problem.
Jake
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Wow - I don't know whether to nominate you for Troll of the Year or
a Darwin Award - talking about our veterans like that.
"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool> wrote in message
news:bFDed.23557$qH3.3615@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Like I said, one more "...little candy ***** teenager using your
daddy's
computer".
Did your "pop" also tell you he had trekked alone to the north
pole to
rescue Santa Claus, and walked to school 10 miles in the snow
every day, and
personally saved western democracy from the Nazi, and Communist,
and
Vietnamese perils? Aren't you awake to the sad-*****, drooling
ramblings of
lying old fools like your "pop"?
What pathetic punk losers you and your "pop" are.
Krusty the Magnificent
"Flash" <flashfyre_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:417B0785.3020301@yahoo.com...
Krusty wrote:
Have any of you libbydim ***** boys ever actually served in the
military?
my pop is not a libdem.
he doesn't use newsgroups but served in ww2 as a carrier pilot,
flying
the F4U Corsair. He has a drawer full of medals, was a naval test
pilot
at Pax River, crashed once due to enemy fire, once due to
in-flight
failure of a jet he was testing, was flight commander of (now
declassified) "Top Secret" "operation snowball" over taiwan
(pre-AWACS
Air Early Warning System). He has been an "offical guest" of
Taiwan
twice due to the long-lasting friendships he made with their
military
leaders and pilots in the late 50's and early 60s.
He is for Kerry, 100%, the first democrat he has supported since
JFK.
(He met Truman, too, and considers him one of the finest
presidents to
ever hold office...also a democrat).
He finds all neocon rhetoric about democrats horrifying, to the
extent
that he believes the noecons are doing irreparable harm to
America. He
wants Bush out now, for the good of the country. He believes our
national prestige has been damaged by going to war based on false
assumptions, and the constant stream of neocon policies have put
all
americans at risk by isolating us from our allies.
He uses the term "Chicken Hawks" whenever he hears the Bush
administration mentioned.
Over his lifetime, I've seen him take several big-mouthed punks
straight
to the ground, often when he was over twice their age (He was an
MP in
post WW-2 Japan, too).
C-ya,
Flash
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:13:29 -0500, "Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyFuckinAss.fool>
wrote:
I actually served and doubt seriously that you have, based upon your attitude
and phraseology.
But I do want to thank you for providing this opportunity to once again refresh
everyone's memories and compare the military service of the Republican
chickenhawks and the Democrats.
Predictably, the number of so-called "liberal" Democrats who actually served in
defense of their country is far more than the number of Republicans who served.
In fact, the overwhelming majority of current leaders in the Republican party
and Right Wing pundits avoided military service completely.
Watch the video! http://www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html
PROMINENT DEMOCRATS:
Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air
National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January
1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered
at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about
Gore's Service
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of
Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat
V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea
(1, 2)
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze
Star, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1,
2)
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve
1979-91 (1)
Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II,
receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)
Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours
in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze
Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to
Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of
Merit. (1, 2)
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne
Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served
as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze
Star. (1)
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.
PROMINENT REPUBLICANS:
Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader ***** Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many
minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for
patriotic folks like himself."
House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical
resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an
aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to
the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four
years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service") (1)
Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to
teach business ed at SW Missouri State
Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat
role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later
seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real
thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting
classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was
over in Korea.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze
Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the
Bush campaign smear him so? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA),
Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php
Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two
Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other
decorations http://www.house.gov/cunningham/about_duke.htm#Biography
Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a
military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre.
Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration
when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear
hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in
action.
Here are a few more...
Democrats
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze
Star.
Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam
Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions
during WWII.
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force
Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in
the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311)
and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "...it was his doubts about the
morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the
ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw -
a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov.
Clinton.)
Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize,
seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight
Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform
than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine)
Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953
Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) - Served in WWII and Korea;
extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six
occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA - Did not serve in the US military; did serve in
the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the
only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress.
Republicans/Conservatives
Political
Senator Don Nickles, R-OK - Oklahoma - Biography does not list military service.
However, CNN lists Army National Guard service 1970-1976.
Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve (1)
Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve (1, 2)
Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve (1, 2)
Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, fifth-ranking Republican in Congress - did not
serve. (1)
Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve (1, 2), had a "bad knee"
(yet somehow feels he has a right to attack Max Cleland's patriotism)
Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve (1, 2)
Jack Kemp, did not serve (1, 2) (was unfit because of a knee injury, though he
heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight
years - source)
Former Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the
journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity
(at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW) (1, 2)
Eliot Abrams, did not serve (1, 2) (however, played a key role in subverting
democracy in South America)
Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve (1, 2)
Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve (1, 2)
Richard Perle, did not serve (1, 2) (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East
a direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign
policy?)
Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve. (1)
Rudy Giuliani, did not serve (1, 2)
Michael Bloomberg, did not serve (1, 2)
George Pataki, did not serve (1, 2)
Spencer Abraham, did not serve
John Engler, did not serve (1, 2)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website used to claim service as a "Operation Desert
Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such
claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina
during the Gulf War.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve (1)
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service.
Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve (1)
Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Governor - went AWOL from his Austrian army
base to enter a bodybuilding competition
George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese; was lone
survivor out of airplane (link).
Tom Ridge, Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam (1)
Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in
Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (1)
(don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy)
Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two
Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China.
Sen. John Warner, R-VA - Served in the Navy during WWII as a RM3
Congresswoman Heather Wilson, R-NM, served in the Air Force 1978-1989
Former President Gerald Ford, served in the Navy, WWII
Former Senator Strom Thurmond - apparently believes, along with Trent Lott, that
America should have been a segregated society. Still, he served.
Punditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online)
George Will, did not serve
Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly, did not serve
Paul Gigot, did not serve.
Bill Bennett, Did not serve
Pat Buchanan, did not serve
Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush
Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating
the Draft.])
Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs
and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji
John Wayne, did not serve
Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In
reality, was a "Liquor Officer."
Bill Kristol, did not serve
Sean Hannity, did not serve.
Kenneth Starr, did not serve
Antonin Scalia, did not serve
Clarence Thomas, did not serve
Ralph Reed, did not serve
Michael Medved, did not serve
Charlie Daniels, did not serve
Ted Nugent, did not serve
Ollie North - Convicted in the Iran-Contra scandal, at least he served.
Charlton Heston - served in WWII, but went AWOL when Michael Moore asked him
some tough questions.
INDEPENDENTS
Gov. Jesse Ventura, U.S. Navy SEAL training, did UDT work
Senator Jim Jeffords, U.S. Navy 1956-1959
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
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<snipped>
First, given your demonstrated knack for being highly selective in
what you choose to cite, let me say that the moron who started this
post is a Class A *****. Hopefully, you have at least enough
integrity not to attempt to link me with him. Now, rather than using
unscientific and highly selective methods, let's take a look at
another page from the same website you linked:
http://www.awolbush.com/108thsenate.asp
With this, rather than the misleading method of selecting
indivisuals from past and present Congresses and Administrations
(which is too open to bias), we can use a more sound method and
compare individuals who share a common trait: they are the 100 CURRENT
members of the United States Senate. According to this list, 31 of
these individuals have served in the military. These 31 individuals
include (now pay attention) 15 Republicans, 15 democrats, and 1
Independent. Just for the record, the last time I saw one of those
Democrats, he was speaking at the Republican National Convention; but
he is still, in name at least, a Democrat.
So, if you had a point to make, the true numbers don't support it,
unless you can somehow show that 15 is greater than 15. Or, if the
point you and awolbush.com want to make is you can always find more of
Group A then of Group B as long as you (or awolbush.com) get to choose
BOTH groups; then congratulations: you made your point. In any case,
stay away from statistics, because you are hopelessly lost. All of
this is statistically insignificant, by the way, because there is not
a large enough sample to work with. Even including the House of
Representatives would not come anywhere near providing a statistically
significant sample size. Therefore, I am making no claims to either
major party being more patriotic than the other, but this does
disprove anything you were claiming or implying.
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(K D B) wrote
With this, rather than the misleading method of selecting
indivisuals from past and present Congresses and Administrations
(which is too open to bias), we can use a more sound method and
compare individuals who share a common trait: they are the 100 CURRENT
members of the United States Senate. According to this list, 31 of
these individuals have served in the military. These 31 individuals
include (now pay attention) 15 Republicans, 15 democrats, and 1
Independent. Just for the record, the last time I saw one of those
Democrats, he was speaking at the Republican National Convention; but
he is still, in name at least, a Democrat.
So, if you had a point to make, the true numbers don't support it,
unless you can somehow show that 15 is greater than 15. Or, if the
point you and awolbush.com want to make is you can always find more of
Group A then of Group B as long as you (or awolbush.com) get to choose
BOTH groups; then congratulations: you made your point. In any case,
stay away from statistics, because you are hopelessly lost. All of
this is statistically insignificant, by the way, because there is not
a large enough sample to work with. Even including the House of
Representatives would not come anywhere near providing a statistically
significant sample size. Therefore, I am making no claims to either
major party being more patriotic than the other, but this does
disprove anything you were claiming or implying.
Good post, very nice information.
Actually, the sample size is probably not a major problem. The real
problem with generalizing from the current ~530
senators/representatives is that we don't know if it is a sample
representative of all the legislators from a particular period. It
would simply be a convenience sample.
But the convenience sample, though not statistically generalizable,
might be good for some insight anyway and probably is better than the
slicing and dicing ("I mean PROMINENT legislators... who are college
educated... who are left handed...and who drive Dodges...") that
chuckleheads like Jake do.
Ryd
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() wrote in message news:<21286b3e.0410251533.b96ecf2@posting.google.com>...
kanddbxxx@excite.com (K D B) wrote
With this, rather than the misleading method of selecting
indivisuals from past and present Congresses and Administrations
(which is too open to bias), we can use a more sound method and
compare individuals who share a common trait: they are the 100 CURRENT
members of the United States Senate. According to this list, 31 of
these individuals have served in the military. These 31 individuals
include (now pay attention) 15 Republicans, 15 democrats, and 1
Independent. Just for the record, the last time I saw one of those
Democrats, he was speaking at the Republican National Convention; but
he is still, in name at least, a Democrat.
So, if you had a point to make, the true numbers don't support it,
unless you can somehow show that 15 is greater than 15. Or, if the
point you and awolbush.com want to make is you can always find more of
Group A then of Group B as long as you (or awolbush.com) get to choose
BOTH groups; then congratulations: you made your point. In any case,
stay away from statistics, because you are hopelessly lost. All of
this is statistically insignificant, by the way, because there is not
a large enough sample to work with. Even including the House of
Representatives would not come anywhere near providing a statistically
significant sample size. Therefore, I am making no claims to either
major party being more patriotic than the other, but this does
disprove anything you were claiming or implying.
Finally, a reply from someone who doesn't accuse me of being a
Republican.
Good post, very nice information.
Thanks.
Actually, the sample size is probably not a major problem.
That would depend on what you are trying to take a sample from. But,
you do raise a valid point. The problem with Jake and the others who
have responded is they want to make a claim and then defend that claim
by saying, in effect, "We are right and here is our carefully culled
data to prove it". That's not statistically or logically correct even
with a sample size of 100%.
What Jake desperately wants to imply is Liberals are more patriotic
than Conservatives. That would be an interesting study (though I
personally have no interest either way), if it weren't for the large
number of holes in their "logic". Among these:
1) Selectively throwing in hard to define terms such as
"prominent". There cannot be a list of prominent lawmakers which
everyone would agree was correct.
2) Including the Executive branch at all is going to skew the
results because only one party is represented by the Executive Branch.
Plus, all members of the Executive Branch except one are selected by
that one person (the VP is selected prior to the election, all others
are *officially* appointed afterward). Thus, the choices made by a
single individual carry more weight than the elections of a dozen
different people.
3) Only winners are counted. Thus if a Democrat who served in the
military defeats a Republican who served, while a Republican who did
not serve defeats a Democrat who did not serve, the results are skewed
in favor of the claim that Democrats are more patriotic.
4) It also doesn't take into account the possibility that the
"winners" who served may have won their party's primary against one or
more opponents who did not serve, and vice versa.
5) The very nature of this claim, which is the fault of the goof
who started this thread, assumes that military service is THE measure
of patritism.
6) It also assumes that holding national political office is THE
measure of "prominence" (or whatever selective approach someone cares
to take).
7) Even if military service is am acceptable measure of patriotism,
people who would have served but were denied enlistement due to
physical handicaps are declared "unpatriotic" through no fault of
their own. I attempted to enlist in the Marine Corps, along with my
older brother, in 1983. I failed the vision test and eventually lost
my sight in my right eye. My brother went on to serve 10 years in the
Marine Corps and is currently a civilian employee of the Defense
Department and lives in Okinawa with his wife (a Japanese citizen he
met while still in the Corps when he was on leave in Tokyo) and their
two kids. Does any of this make me somehow less patriotic than my
brother?
These problems plus too many more to list make any such study
meaningless and futile. As I'm sure you can see, several of these
contribute to the problem of the sample being too small.
The real
problem with generalizing from the current ~530
senators/representatives is that we don't know if it is a sample
representative of all the legislators from a particular period. It
would simply be a convenience sample.
True. You may already know this, but just for clarity I'll mention
that the total number of national legislators, assuming no vacancies,
is 540:
100 Senators
435 Representatives
5 Non-voting delegates in the House (one each from D.C., Puerto
Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa). These 5
individuals are allowed to vote in Committees.
But the convenience sample, though not statistically generalizable,
might be good for some insight anyway and probably is better than the
slicing and dicing ("I mean PROMINENT legislators... who are college
educated... who are left handed...and who drive Dodges...") that
chuckleheads like Jake do.
Also true, and my goal was to show the faults with Jake's claims
and implications, not to make any counterclaim of my own.
I also found it interesting that the highly-biased website Jake
chose to cite, while making claims concerning "prominent lawmakers"
goes on to selectively list non-politicians who are vocal supporters
of Bush who did not serve. What they are dishonestly claiming is
Republicans are unpatriotic because they can list a group of
well-known Republicans who did not serve in the military. I pointed
out just a few of the problems with this ridiculous claim in my
replies to Jake. Jake, however, clearly has no understanding of
statistics or bias. If a website says what he is already predisposed
to believe, in his weak mind, that is *proof* of his claim.
Ryd
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| Title: Re: Have Any Of You Libbydim ***** Boys Ever Actually Served In The Military? |
25 Oct 2004 07:01:03 AM |
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(K D B) wrote in message news:<4732cb6f.0410232336.1c5e1e44@posting.google.com>...
<snipped>
First, given your demonstrated knack for being highly selective in
what you choose to cite, let me say that the moron who started this
post is a Class A *****. Hopefully, you have at least enough
integrity not to attempt to link me with him. Now, rather than using
unscientific and highly selective methods, let's take a look at
another page from the same website you linked:
http://www.awolbush.com/108thsenate.asp
With this, rather than the misleading method of selecting
indivisuals from past and present Congresses and Administrations
(which is too open to bias), we can use a more sound method and
compare individuals who share a common trait: they are the 100 CURRENT
members of the United States Senate.
Why did you limit your sample only to the Senate?
Oh, wait, I know. Because if you went to the House of
Represnetatives, you would find that the number of Republicans there
with military service is as close to zero as it can get while loads of
Democrats are veterans.
You must have studied under the tutelage of Fox -- fair and balanced.
Spit.
SPQR
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According to this list, 31 of
these individuals have served in the military. These 31 individuals
include (now pay attention) 15 Republicans, 15 democrats, and 1
Independent. Just for the record, the last time I saw one of those
Democrats, he was speaking at the Republican National Convention; but
he is still, in name at least, a Democrat.
So, if you had a point to make, the true numbers don't support it,
unless you can somehow show that 15 is greater than 15. Or, if the
point you and awolbush.com want to make is you can always find more of
Group A then of Group B as long as you (or awolbush.com) get to choose
BOTH groups; then congratulations: you made your point. In any case,
stay away from statistics, because you are hopelessly lost. All of
this is statistically insignificant, by the way, because there is not
a large enough sample to work with. Even including the House of
Representatives would not come anywhere near providing a statistically
significant sample size. Therefore, I am making no claims to either
major party being more patriotic than the other, but this does
disprove anything you were claiming or implying.
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| User: "K D B" |
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| Title: Re: Have Any Of You Libbydim ***** Boys Ever Actually Served In The Military? |
25 Oct 2004 01:30:39 PM |
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(SPQR) wrote in message news:<2baf42ad.0410250401.6e83a152@posting.google.com>...
kanddbxxx@excite.com (K D B) wrote in message news:<4732cb6f.0410232336.1c5e1e44@posting.google.com>...
<snipped>
First, given your demonstrated knack for being highly selective in
what you choose to cite, let me say that the moron who started this
post is a Class A *****. Hopefully, you have at least enough
integrity not to attempt to link me with him. Now, rather than using
unscientific and highly selective methods, let's take a look at
another page from the same website you linked:
http://www.awolbush.com/108thsenate.asp
With this, rather than the misleading method of selecting
indivisuals from past and present Congresses and Administrations
(which is too open to bias), we can use a more sound method and
compare individuals who share a common trait: they are the 100 CURRENT
members of the United States Senate.
Why did you limit your sample only to the Senate?
Why are you asking a question that was answered before you ever
asked it? Why the ***** are you asking this AFTER I already stated
that the sample size was too small. Is English your native language?
Oh, wait, I know.
You don't know a fucking thing, you dishonest *****.
Because if you went to the House of
Represnetatives, you would find that the number of Republicans there
with military service is as close to zero as it can get
As close to zero as it can get would be zero, you ignorant *****.
Stay away from anything involving numbers, they're too complicated for
you.
while loads of
Democrats are veterans.
Prove your claim.
You must have studied under the tutelage of Fox -- fair and balanced.
Well, they say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
Thanks, I'm flattered. You might be better off taking your issues up
with a Republican. Better yet, giving your demonstrated lack of
cognitive skills, try arguing with a blade of grsss, you might
actually win one argument out of ten. Are you always so eager to
display your tremendous ignorance?
Spit.
SPQR
<<<<
According to this list, 31 of
these individuals have served in the military. These 31 individuals
include (now pay attention) 15 Republicans, 15 democrats, and 1
Independent. Just for the record, the last time I saw one of those
Democrats, he was speaking at the Republican National Convention; but
he is still, in name at least, a Democrat.
So, if you had a point to make, the true numbers don't support it,
unless you can somehow show that 15 is greater than 15. Or, if the
point you and awolbush.com want to make is you can always find more of
Group A then of Group B as long as you (or awolbush.com) get to choose
BOTH groups; then congratulations: you made your point. In any case,
stay away from statistics, because you are hopelessly lost.***All of
this is statistically insignificant, by the way, because there is not
a large enough sample to work with. Even including the House of
Representatives would not come anywhere near providing a statistically
significant sample size. Therefore, I am making no claims to either
major party being more patriotic than the other,*** but this does
disprove anything you were claiming or implying.
Hint for the illiterate *****: the part between the asterisks is
the part you need to get someone to read and explain to you. You're
even more lost than JakeWK. Seriously, you are either one stupid *****
mother-fucker or you have the worst case of Attention Deficit Disorder
in history. Which is it?
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