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User: "Captain Compassion"
Date: 12 Mar 2006 02:47:07 PM
Object: Hecklers harass families of US soldiers killed in Iraq
Hecklers harass families of US soldiers killed in Iraq
Mar 12 7:21 AM US/Eastern
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/12/060312122104.pgrezzqi.html
Five women sang and danced as they held up signs saying "thank God for
dead soldiers" at the funeral of an army sergeant who was killed by an
Iraqi bomb.
For them, it was the perfect way to spread God's word: America was
being punished for tolerating homosexuality.
For the hundreds of flag waving bikers who came to this small town in
Michigan Saturday to shield the soldier's family, it was disgusting.
"That could be me in that church," said Jackie Sandler whose son Keith
is currently serving his second tour of duty in Iraq.
The fringe group of fire and brimstone Baptists from Kansas has been
courting controversy for more than 15 years, traveling the country
with their hateful signs and slogans.
The Westboro Baptist Church first gained national notoriety when they
picked the funeral of Matthew Shepard, a Wyoming student who was
murdered in 1998 for being gay.
They have since picketed the funerals of Frank Sinatra and Bill
Clinton's mother, celebrated the terrorist attacks of September 11 as
an act of God's wrath, and have even targeted Santa Claus and the Ku
Klux Klan.
But it was the callousness and cruelty of harassing the grieving
families of soldiers at dozens of funerals across the country that has
sparked a grassroots movement of bikers determined to drown out the
jeers and taunts.
In Flushing, Michigan they turned their leather-clad backs to the five
women and held flags and tarps up so that mourners walking past
wouldn't see the signs saying "God hates fags," "fag vets" and
"America is doomed."
Many found it hard to hide their anger when Margie Phelps, the
daughter of Westboro's founder, called out "All this for little old
us? Oh, you shouldn't have. I feel so special," before she started
singing "the Pope, the Pope, the Pope is on fire. He don't get no
water let the heretics burn" in front of a Catholic church.
The glee with which the women hurled insults made John Franklin, 64,
sick to his stomach.
"This guy's family deserves a peaceful funeral. It's not right what
they're doing," said Franklin, who fought in the Vietnam War. "The
only reason they're able to walk around like that is because the
veterans fought for their freedom."
While Westboro's congregation remains stable at around 100 people -
most of whom are the extended family of founder Fred Phelps - the
ranks of the Patriot Guard Riders has swelled to more than 16,000 in
just a few months.
The protests come at a time when many Americans think the war in Iraq
was a mistake but are anxious to show their support for the troops.
Four states have enacted legislation barring protests at funerals and
a dozen more are in the process of introducing bans. But it is
unlikely that the bans will stand up to legal challenge.
The group is careful to protest in public spaces and is well aware of
its constitutional rights - 11 of Phelps' 13 children are lawyers.
"This nation is poised to trash the first amendment just to stop my
preaching," Fred Phelps said in a telephone interview. "I'm kind of
honored."
Phelps said he and his congregants are targeting the funerals because
God's way of punishing an "evil nation" of "fags and fag enablers" is
to "pick off its children."
"I don't have any sympathy for these parents. They're all going to
hell," Phelps said. "The family's in pain because they haven't obeyed
the Lord God."
The group is so outrageous that some among the extreme-right have
speculated that Phelps is a plant aimed at giving the anti-gay
movement a bad name, said Mark Potok, the director of the intelligence
project at the Southern Poverty Law Center which tracks hate crimes.
"I don't think they have any constituency beyond their own members -
even the Nazis aren't interested," he said.
Phelps' virulence and frequently graphic condemnations of anal sex
could mask a deeper issue than a radically literal interpretation of
the Bible, Potok speculated.
"This man probably thinks more about gay sex than any other person in
the United States of America and one can only guess at what that
means," he said. "Many of the most homophobic people are deeply afraid
that they might be gay."
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Title: Re: Hecklers harass families of US soldiers killed in Iraq 14 Mar 2006 08:30:08 PM
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:47:07 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:

Hecklers harass families of US soldiers killed in Iraq
Mar 12 7:21 AM US/Eastern
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/12/060312122104.pgrezzqi.html

Five women sang and danced as they held up signs saying "thank God for
dead soldiers" at the funeral of an army sergeant who was killed by an
Iraqi bomb.

For them, it was the perfect way to spread God's word: America was
being punished for tolerating homosexuality.

For the hundreds of flag waving bikers who came to this small town in
Michigan Saturday to shield the soldier's family, it was disgusting.

"That could be me in that church," said Jackie Sandler whose son Keith
is currently serving his second tour of duty in Iraq.

The fringe group of fire and brimstone Baptists from Kansas has been
courting controversy for more than 15 years, traveling the country
with their hateful signs and slogans.

The Westboro Baptist Church first gained national notoriety when they
picked the funeral of Matthew Shepard, a Wyoming student who was
murdered in 1998 for being gay.

They have since picketed the funerals of Frank Sinatra and Bill
Clinton's mother, celebrated the terrorist attacks of September 11 as
an act of God's wrath, and have even targeted Santa Claus and the Ku
Klux Klan.

But it was the callousness and cruelty of harassing the grieving
families of soldiers at dozens of funerals across the country that has
sparked a grassroots movement of bikers determined to drown out the
jeers and taunts.

In Flushing, Michigan they turned their leather-clad backs to the five
women and held flags and tarps up so that mourners walking past
wouldn't see the signs saying "God hates fags," "fag vets" and
"America is doomed."

Many found it hard to hide their anger when Margie Phelps, the
daughter of Westboro's founder, called out "All this for little old
us? Oh, you shouldn't have. I feel so special," before she started
singing "the Pope, the Pope, the Pope is on fire. He don't get no
water let the heretics burn" in front of a Catholic church.

I wonder if she also sang "Burn *****...burn...".
Probably she did not, but nevertheless, she may as well have. I want
to say that personally I don't care what she says about the old
dirtbag who is the current pope, since the man was a nazi, and while
you can take the boy out of the nazi party, you can't take the nazi
party out of the boy. This other thing about protesting at funerals
shows me however that this particular small group of people have an
awfully fucked up sense of priority if they think it's okay to cheer
for more dead soldiers because they're defending a nation that
"tolerates fags", etc. I don't like the flamers much myself, but this
group really is something.


The glee with which the women hurled insults made John Franklin, 64,
sick to his stomach.

"This guy's family deserves a peaceful funeral. It's not right what
they're doing," said Franklin, who fought in the Vietnam War. "The
only reason they're able to walk around like that is because the
veterans fought for their freedom."

While Westboro's congregation remains stable at around 100 people -
most of whom are the extended family of founder Fred Phelps - the
ranks of the Patriot Guard Riders has swelled to more than 16,000 in
just a few months.

The protests come at a time when many Americans think the war in Iraq
was a mistake but are anxious to show their support for the troops.

Four states have enacted legislation barring protests at funerals and
a dozen more are in the process of introducing bans. But it is
unlikely that the bans will stand up to legal challenge.

The group is careful to protest in public spaces and is well aware of
its constitutional rights - 11 of Phelps' 13 children are lawyers.

"This nation is poised to trash the first amendment just to stop my
preaching," Fred Phelps said in a telephone interview. "I'm kind of
honored."

Phelps said he and his congregants are targeting the funerals because
God's way of punishing an "evil nation" of "fags and fag enablers" is
to "pick off its children."

"I don't have any sympathy for these parents. They're all going to
hell," Phelps said. "The family's in pain because they haven't obeyed
the Lord God."

The group is so outrageous that some among the extreme-right have
speculated that Phelps is a plant aimed at giving the anti-gay
movement a bad name, said Mark Potok, the director of the intelligence
project at the Southern Poverty Law Center which tracks hate crimes.

"I don't think they have any constituency beyond their own members -
even the Nazis aren't interested," he said.

Phelps' virulence and frequently graphic condemnations of anal sex
could mask a deeper issue than a radically literal interpretation of
the Bible, Potok speculated.

"This man probably thinks more about gay sex than any other person in
the United States of America and one can only guess at what that
means," he said. "Many of the most homophobic people are deeply afraid
that they might be gay."

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