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13 Jun 2007 03:44:41 AM |
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HEEHEE!! IT COSTS OVER A GRAND PER DAY TO JAIL PARIS HILTON!! |
Yup........I think L.A. County can Afford It, Don't you?.........Too
bad it isn't 10 Grand a Day.........Heehee..........
"June 12, 2007
Los Angeles (AP) The 26-year-old celebrity was later ordered back to
jail. She was sent to a medical ward, where sheriff's officials said
it costs $1,109.78 a day to house a female inmate compared to $99.64 a
day in the general population."
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| Title: Re: HEEHEE!! IT COSTS OVER A GRAND PER DAY TO JAIL PARIS HILTON!! |
18 Jun 2007 07:33:07 PM |
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On Jun 13, 4:44 am, Jakthehammer <jakthh...@aol.com> wrote:
Yup........I think L.A. County can Afford It, Don't you?.........Too
bad it isn't 10 Grand a Day.........Heehee..........
"June 12, 2007
Los Angeles (AP) The 26-year-old celebrity was later ordered back to
jail. She was sent to a medical ward, where sheriff's officials said
it costs $1,109.78 a day to house a female inmate compared to $99.64 a
day in the general population."
The one factual post he's ever come up with in his life... and this is
it.
That's some earth shattering news there, genius.
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| Title: Cost of jail |
19 Jun 2007 04:37:11 PM |
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On Jun 13, 4:44 am, Jakthehammer <jakthh...@aol.com> wrote:
Yup........I think L.A. County can Afford It, Don't you?.........Too
bad it isn't 10 Grand a Day.........Heehee..........
What is with this idiot who thinks every public issue is but a joke to
be laughed at?
I guess he laughs at the victims of crime.
The cost of prisons and jails is very substantial.
The cost of crime to society is also very substantial.
I don't know the answer, but it sure isn't a joke.
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| User: "KK" |
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19 Jun 2007 04:46:49 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:37:11 -0700, hancock4 wrote:
On Jun 13, 4:44 am, Jakthehammer <jakthh...@aol.com> wrote:
Yup........I think L.A. County can Afford It, Don't you?.........Too
bad it isn't 10 Grand a Day.........Heehee..........
What is with this idiot who thinks every public issue is but a joke to
be laughed at?
I guess he laughs at the victims of crime.
The cost of prisons and jails is very substantial.
The cost of crime to society is also very substantial.
I don't know the answer, but it sure isn't a joke.
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
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20 Jun 2007 12:34:33 PM |
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On Jun 19, 5:46 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
It's sad that people have nothing better to do or talk about than
Paris Hilton, etc.
Jail isn't a laughing matter. Neither is DWI.
If you want make jokes that Paris' shoes (one pair) cost more than
your car, that's fine.
The New York Times recently did a piece on a motorist who was locked
up in a tough jail because of a computer mistake. The computer
erroneously flagged him as a fugitive. Took several days to
straighten it out. I wouldn't want that to happen to me, but that
sort of thing is increasing.
What is also troubling is that there are literally thousands of people
in the LA jails who don't have Paris' legal rep and must suffer
without necessary medication. I don't think jokes about them are
proper.
So, like I said, if you wanna make fun of her acting talent or lack
thereof, choice of boyfriend of the hour, etc., go ahead. Prison
jokes that the original poster made were in bad taste. ('course the
original poster has failed to defend himself.)
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| User: "lab~rat :-" |
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20 Jun 2007 12:41:28 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:34:33 -0700, puked:
On Jun 19, 5:46 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
It's sad that people have nothing better to do or talk about than
Paris Hilton, etc.
Jail isn't a laughing matter. Neither is DWI.
If you want make jokes that Paris' shoes (one pair) cost more than
your car, that's fine.
The New York Times recently did a piece on a motorist who was locked
up in a tough jail because of a computer mistake. The computer
erroneously flagged him as a fugitive. Took several days to
straighten it out. I wouldn't want that to happen to me, but that
sort of thing is increasing.
What is also troubling is that there are literally thousands of people
in the LA jails who don't have Paris' legal rep and must suffer
without necessary medication. I don't think jokes about them are
proper.
So, like I said, if you wanna make fun of her acting talent or lack
thereof, choice of boyfriend of the hour, etc., go ahead. Prison
jokes that the original poster made were in bad taste. ('course the
original poster has failed to defend himself.)
Dude, admit it, you're posting from jail and you're someone's *****...
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lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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20 Jun 2007 02:37:21 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:34:33 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 19, 5:46 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
It's sad that people have nothing better to do or talk about than
Paris Hilton, etc.
Jail isn't a laughing matter. Neither is DWI.
Although not every joke actually manages to funny, there is no subject
which can not be the subject of a funny joke.
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| User: "KK" |
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20 Jun 2007 01:30:57 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:34:33 -0700, hancock4 wrote:
Prison
jokes that the original poster made were in bad taste.
So who decides what's in good taste, and who gets to joke about what, you?
I think it's fucking hysterical that a rich, spoiled, brat has to go to
jail (not prison, a local lockup) and that her expensive lawyer hired to
keep her out actually caused her to have to be there longer.
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20 Jun 2007 01:59:45 PM |
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On Jun 20, 2:30 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
So who decides what's in good taste, and who gets to joke about what, you?
Yes, obviously me, and me alone, gets to make that decision. <g>
Seriously, anyone can post whatever opinion they want. But others are
welcome to post a different point of view, as I am doing here. I
submit that poster was in bad taste. It would be curious to hear the
original poster's rational, but perhaps that's too much expect.
I think it's fucking hysterical that a rich, spoiled, brat has to go to
jail (not prison, a local lockup) and that her expensive lawyer hired to
keep her out actually caused her to have to be there longer.
Because jails are supposedly intended for short term stays, they have
less facilities than prisons and can be worse.
I don't want a celebrity to be above the law, but I don't want them to
get unfavorable treatment either. Some news organizations suggest her
jail time is worse than given to other equivalent offenders. I don't
know if that's true, but that's troubling in itself.
As I said, this event should be an eye opener to the real issues at
hand. Do those thousands of people belong in jail? (I believe so.)
If so, why is our society so screwed up that so many people are
criminals? (I don't know.) But locking up thousands of people in
hellholes obviously isn't working as a way to reduce crime.
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20 Jun 2007 03:05:13 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:59:45 -0700, hancock4 wrote:
But locking up thousands of people in
hellholes obviously isn't working as a way to reduce crime.
IIRC, 60% of all prisoners (maybe it was just federal) are in for
nonviolent drug related crimes.
So we put in place laws which exponentially boost the profit to be made by
selling drugs, lock people up when we catch them doing it, and pay to keep
them imprisoned until they get out.
Smart.
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20 Jun 2007 03:38:00 PM |
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On Jun 20, 4:05 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
IIRC, 60% of all prisoners (maybe it was just federal) are in for
nonviolent drug related crimes.
First off, you can walk down a busy city street smoking a joint or
making a drug deal and no one will care. It happens all the time.
The people locked up for drug deals either plea-bargained down to that
from a more serious crime, or were a high volume dealer.
Drug use is a major problem in the U.S. Companies report one third of
job applicants fail a drug test when the applicants know in advance
the test will be given. That means people can't stay sober even for a
short time to take a lousy test. Stoned parents raise really screwed
up kids that the rest of us have to suffer with.
Having so many people stoned (or drunk) is not good. Despite
draconian DWI checkpoints, nasty accidents still result. Many celebs
get caught wrapping their car around a true.
As to humor, Lindsay Lohan's drinking binges are a source of many
jokes. But people ought to be asking why someone under age finds the
need to not merely drink, but to be dead drunk so much of the time and
parade it around in public. Something is very wrong with that
picture. Or perhaps we should be reminded of the short tragic life of
people like Judy Garland and Marilyn Monroe. Will Lindsay be next?
This is not an issue of morality, but practicality. People who are
stoned or drunk can't function properly, they can't do their jobs,
they can't raise their kids, they can't safely drive a car. The rest
of us gets screwed, and screwed badly when these people mess up. I
don't think that's funny.
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| User: "lab~rat :-" |
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21 Jun 2007 07:10:41 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:38:00 -0700, puked:
On Jun 20, 4:05 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
IIRC, 60% of all prisoners (maybe it was just federal) are in for
nonviolent drug related crimes.
First off, you can walk down a busy city street smoking a joint or
making a drug deal and no one will care. It happens all the time.
The people locked up for drug deals either plea-bargained down to that
from a more serious crime, or were a high volume dealer.
That's why you find these people that have been locked up for ten
years and suddenly found not guilty so forgiving of the system. They
were pegged for something and they should have been pegged for
something else.
I'm pretty sure Timothy McVey was a murderous pedophile or something
that took the rap for Oklahoma City. Ted Kazinsky had mental problems
and they arrested him, giving the REAL Unabomber an excuse to stop.
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lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
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| User: "KK" |
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20 Jun 2007 03:51:40 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:38:00 -0700, hancock4 wrote:
First off, you can walk down a busy city street smoking a joint or
making a drug deal and no one will care. It happens all the time.
The people locked up for drug deals either plea-bargained down to that
from a more serious crime, or were a high volume dealer.
People generally don't plea down to a drug sentence from a violent felony.
And many people are in for repeated posession convictions after a
non-prison sentence or probation.
Drug use is a major problem in the U.S. Companies report one third of
job applicants fail a drug test when the applicants know in advance
the test will be given. That means people can't stay sober even for a
short time to take a lousy test. Stoned parents raise really screwed
up kids that the rest of us have to suffer with.
Blah blah blah.
Drug laws don't stop - or diminish - drug use. Some think that anti-drug
laws actually *increase* drug use. I believe that to be the case, for
example, for marijuana.
Having so many people stoned (or drunk) is not good. Despite
draconian DWI checkpoints, nasty accidents still result. Many celebs
get caught wrapping their car around a true.
As to humor, Lindsay Lohan's drinking binges are a source of many
jokes. But people ought to be asking why someone under age finds the
need to not merely drink, but to be dead drunk so much of the time and
parade it around in public. Something is very wrong with that
picture. Or perhaps we should be reminded of the short tragic life of
people like Judy Garland and Marilyn Monroe. Will Lindsay be next?
This is not an issue of morality, but practicality. People who are
stoned or drunk can't function properly, they can't do their jobs,
they can't raise their kids, they can't safely drive a car.
No *****. We've got draconian drug laws, yet as you pointed out people do
drugs. Laws don't work.
The rest
of us gets screwed, and screwed badly when these people mess up. I
don't think that's funny.
You've got a ***** of a sense of humor!
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21 Jun 2007 04:11:27 PM |
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On Jun 20, 4:51 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
People generally don't plea down to a drug sentence from a violent felony.
Yes, it often happens. Cops/DA pick the easiest thing. Trials are
expensive and iffy (unless the defendant is an idiot and many are).
Maybe they can't prove a murder or beating on a drug dealer, but they
still caught the dealer with a load of stuff on him. So they nail him
on that.
And many people are in for repeated posession convictions after a
non-prison sentence or probation.
True, but again, the cops don't bust you for walking down the street
with a joint or a simple sale.
Drug use is a major problem in the U.S....
Blah blah blah.
What does that mean? The statement is true, and the damage to society
is real. Drug and alcohol consumption screws people up, kills people
on the highways and in fights, and hurts families and employers.
That's a basic fact. I've seen way too much of it.
One sad thing is that such consumption turns people into very good
liars. Over the short term they sucker other people into their
story. But eventually the lies and failed promises catch up to them.
Drug laws don't stop - or diminish - drug use. Some think that anti-drug
laws actually *increase* drug use. I believe that to be the case, for
example, for marijuana.
Why do you say that?
There ARE plenty of people who do believe in obeying the law,
regardless if they agree with it or not. If something is illegal,
they don't do it.
When alcohol was lowered to 18 from 21, consumption among youth shot
up. It became easy for younger teens to fake being 18 and drink.
This is not an issue of morality, but practicality. People who are
stoned or drunk can't function properly, they can't do their jobs,
they can't raise their kids, they can't safely drive a car.
No *****. We've got draconian drug laws, yet as you pointed out people do
drugs. Laws don't work.
The laws act as a deterrent.
However, I agree that laws in themselves are not the only deterrent,
and that current enforcement practices need much improvement. But be
assured without current enforcement many more people would do drugs
and alcohol except for the fear of getting caught.
It's too bad that people today don't remember Marilyn Monroe or Judy
Garland, or more specifically, what it a tragedy it was when they died
at a young age, at a peak of popularity, from drugs and alcohol. Will
that happen to Lindsay Lohan? Britney? Paris?
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21 Jun 2007 04:48:08 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:11:27 -0700, hancock4 wrote:
On Jun 20, 4:51 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
People generally don't plea down to a drug sentence from a violent felony.
Yes, it often happens.
I don't believe that to be true. Please provide statistics.
And many people are in for repeated posession convictions after a
non-prison sentence or probation.
True, but again, the cops don't bust you for walking down the street
with a joint or a simple sale.
Actually, if a cop in NYC saw you smoking pot on the street, or selling
pot to someone, yeah, they would bust you.
Drug use is a major problem in the U.S....
Blah blah blah.
What does that mean? The statement is true, and the damage to society
is real. Drug and alcohol consumption screws people up, kills people
on the highways and in fights, and hurts families and employers.
That's a basic fact. I've seen way too much of it.
You're Tom Truism. What's the opposing position, that drug abuse is good?
You know, I think puppies are adorable, no matter what you think.
One sad thing is that such consumption turns people into very good
liars. Over the short term they sucker other people into their
story. But eventually the lies and failed promises catch up to them.
Drug laws don't stop - or diminish - drug use. Some think that anti-drug
laws actually *increase* drug use. I believe that to be the case, for
example, for marijuana.
Why do you say that?
Because its illegality and "forbiddenness" make it more appealing
(especially to teens/young adults) and gives the idea that it must be
really great if they go to such trouble to keep people from having it.
There ARE plenty of people who do believe in obeying the law,
regardless if they agree with it or not. If something is illegal,
they don't do it.
Yeah, you and my grandmother. I wonder if you or Locutus drives slower in
the left lane.
When alcohol was lowered to 18 from 21, consumption among youth shot
up. It became easy for younger teens to fake being 18 and drink.
This is not an issue of morality, but practicality. People who are
stoned or drunk can't function properly, they can't do their jobs,
they can't raise their kids, they can't safely drive a car.
No *****. We've got draconian drug laws, yet as you pointed out people do
drugs. Laws don't work.
The laws act as a deterrent.
I say that at best they don't, and at worst they've created a violent
underground industry that they're powerless to stop, and which now
involves billions of dollars and is the cause of many (probably most)
violent crime in the US.
However, I agree that laws in themselves are not the only deterrent,
and that current enforcement practices need much improvement. But be
assured without current enforcement many more people would do drugs
and alcohol except for the fear of getting caught.
Why? Because you say so? My experience has told me otherwise.
It's too bad that people today don't remember Marilyn Monroe or Judy
Garland, or more specifically, what it a tragedy it was when they died
at a young age, at a peak of popularity, from drugs and alcohol. Will
that happen to Lindsay Lohan? Britney? Paris?
I certainly don't care. But before they go, I hope they continue to be
put in jail, shave their heads, and forget to wear underpants.
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22 Jun 2007 10:20:42 AM |
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On Jun 21, 5:48 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
People generally don't plea down to a drug sentence from a violent felony.
I don't believe that to be true. Please provide statistics.
"For the vast majority of cases, plea bargaining is the most important
step in the crimrinal justice process". See "Criminal Justice" by
Cole/Smith.
Actually, if a cop in NYC saw you smoking pot on the street, or selling
pot to someone, yeah, they would bust you.
You gotta be kidding. I see it all the time in NYC and other big
cities. You don't have to go far to smell pot being consumed.
You're Tom Truism. What's the opposing position, that drug abuse is good?
You know, I think puppies are adorable, no matter what you think.
Well, frankly I question whether people agree.
Anyway, the solution to drug consumption is to control the demand, not
control the supply, as you point out.
The problem is that at present people WANT to drown themselves in
alcohol or drug. That's driving the demand. (Of course, addiction or
habit is a big part of it and a heck of a lot of people are hooked.)
The question is why is modern life so arduous that people feel the
need to do that?
Because its illegality and "forbiddenness" make it more appealing
(especially to teens/young adults) and gives the idea that it must be
really great if they go to such trouble to keep people from having it.
To some, sure. But teen smoking is finally on the way down. Alcohol
has _always_ been illegal for youth, but these days youth can't get
enough of it.
It's too bad that people today don't remember Marilyn Monroe or Judy
Garland, or more specifically, what it a tragedy it was when they died
at a young age, at a peak of popularity, from drugs and alcohol. Will
that happen to Lindsay Lohan? Britney? Paris?
I certainly don't care. But before they go, I hope they continue to be
put in jail, shave their heads, and forget to wear underpants.
Which is a shame you feel that way.
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22 Jun 2007 11:18:55 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:20:42 -0700, hancock4 wrote:
On Jun 21, 5:48 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
People generally don't plea down to a drug sentence from a violent felony.
I don't believe that to be true. Please provide statistics.
"For the vast majority of cases, plea bargaining is the most important
step in the crimrinal justice process". See "Criminal Justice" by
Cole/Smith.
Actually, if a cop in NYC saw you smoking pot on the street, or selling
pot to someone, yeah, they would bust you.
You gotta be kidding. I see it all the time in NYC and other big
cities. You don't have to go far to smell pot being consumed.
Yeah, see where up above you said "see" and then in that last sentence
where you changed it to "smell"?
If a cop sees you smoking a joint, he's going to hassle you. If he
"smells" pot on you, he's probably not. It might give him a reason to
search a car you're in.
You're Tom Truism. What's the opposing position, that drug abuse is good?
You know, I think puppies are adorable, no matter what you think.
Well, frankly I question whether people agree.
Anyway, the solution to drug consumption is to control the demand, not
control the supply, as you point out.
The problem is that at present people WANT to drown themselves in
alcohol or drug. That's driving the demand. (Of course, addiction or
habit is a big part of it and a heck of a lot of people are hooked.)
The question is why is modern life so arduous that people feel the
need to do that?
There's a difference between recreational, "harmless" use of a substance,
and hard-core, health-affecting abuse, whether it's alcohol, marijuana, or
cocaine. Everyone who uses any of those isn't doing it because their life
is "arduous" and they have a need to "drown themselves". Sometimes it's
just fun.
Because its illegality and "forbiddenness" make it more appealing
(especially to teens/young adults) and gives the idea that it must be
really great if they go to such trouble to keep people from having it.
To some, sure. But teen smoking is finally on the way down. Alcohol
has _always_ been illegal for youth, but these days youth can't get
enough of it.
Underage alcohol consumption has been declining since the 1970s. The last
ten years or so has seen that decline slow, but there hasn't been the
increase you're implying.
It's too bad that people today don't remember Marilyn Monroe or Judy
Garland, or more specifically, what it a tragedy it was when they died
at a young age, at a peak of popularity, from drugs and alcohol. Will
that happen to Lindsay Lohan? Britney? Paris?
I certainly don't care. But before they go, I hope they continue to be
put in jail, shave their heads, and forget to wear underpants.
Which is a shame you feel that way.
Says you. You seem to care an awful lot about what the rest of us do.
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22 Jun 2007 11:52:42 AM |
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On Jun 22, 12:18 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
If a cop sees you smoking a joint, he's going to hassle you. If he
"smells" pot on you, he's probably not. It might give him a reason to
search a car you're in.
All I know is that I see people smoking joints on the street all the
time and no one bothers them. I also smell it in subways, college
lounges, etc.
There's a difference between recreational, "harmless" use of a substance,
and hard-core, health-affecting abuse, whether it's alcohol, marijuana, or
cocaine. Everyone who uses any of those isn't doing it because their life
is "arduous" and they have a need to "drown themselves". Sometimes it's
just fun.
I question just how _harmless_ "recreational use" is. Very simply, I
think it's more harmful than many believe. I've seen too much damage
from so-called recreational use.
Says you. You seem to care an awful lot about what the rest of us do.
Because it's costing us big money! One pot head neighbor burned her
place down, causing all sorts of damage to neighbors, and our
insurance costs went up. Another alcoholic neighbor causes all sorts
of problems; they finally took her kids away from her, thank
goodness. It was a really bad scene--and our taxes pay to clean it
up. Drunk college girls get themselves raped. I've seen too many
people screw their lives up from "recreational" use of alcohol or
drugs--they screwed up at work (hurting clients dependent on them) and
lost their jobs. The effect on personal behavior is devastating. For
those addicted, they will stop at nothing to feed it. Again, this
isn't a "moral" issue, but one of practicality.
You make good points about the failure of the "war on drugs". But the
consumption remains a problem. Demand is way too high.
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22 Jun 2007 01:25:15 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:52:42 -0700, hancock4 wrote:
On Jun 22, 12:18 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
If a cop sees you smoking a joint, he's going to hassle you. If he
"smells" pot on you, he's probably not. It might give him a reason to
search a car you're in.
All I know is that I see people smoking joints on the street all the
time and no one bothers them.
I'm in the city every day and I don't.
I also smell it in subways, college
lounges, etc.
There you go with "smell" again. Not what we're talking about.
There's a difference between recreational, "harmless" use of a substance,
and hard-core, health-affecting abuse, whether it's alcohol, marijuana, or
cocaine. Everyone who uses any of those isn't doing it because their life
is "arduous" and they have a need to "drown themselves". Sometimes it's
just fun.
I question just how _harmless_ "recreational use" is. Very simply, I
think it's more harmful than many believe. I've seen too much damage
from so-called recreational use.
In my experience (which includes some recrational use in the past) it's
*not* so harmful. The goofballs I was buddies with in school, who
drank until they passed out, smoked pot, etc., are fine, productive
citizens today.
The people I know who had substance problems were the type of people you
mentioned farther up - who abused a drug or alcohol as a crutch, as a way
to cover up or forget another problem.
And that underlying problem was usually the problem.
Says you. You seem to care an awful lot about what the rest of us do.
Because it's costing us big money! One pot head neighbor burned her
place down, causing all sorts of damage to neighbors, and our
insurance costs went up.
Go find me statistics specifically on pot users burning homes down.
You'll find that it's far below background noise, statistically speaking.
You'd be better off railing against Jiffy Pop or home fryers.
Another alcoholic neighbor causes all sorts
of problems; they finally took her kids away from her, thank
goodness.
You live in some neighborhood.
It was a really bad scene--and our taxes pay to clean it
up. Drunk college girls get themselves raped.
Please.
I've seen too many
people screw their lives up from "recreational" use of alcohol or
drugs--they screwed up at work (hurting clients dependent on them) and
lost their jobs. The effect on personal behavior is devastating. For
those addicted, they will stop at nothing to feed it. Again, this
isn't a "moral" issue, but one of practicality.
It's one of anecdote - we're to believe your assertions because of your
experiences that we haven't shared - and which mine contradict.
You make good points about the failure of the "war on drugs". But the
consumption remains a problem. Demand is way too high.
Because drugs are fun.
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| User: "lab~rat :-" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
21 Jun 2007 07:13:15 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:51:40 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
Drug laws don't stop - or diminish - drug use. Some think that anti-drug
laws actually *increase* drug use. I believe that to be the case, for
example, for marijuana.
I have a friend that was in a wreck when he was drunk and he had weed
on him. He had several DUIs in the past. He had one thing a lot of
people don't, millions of dollars. He spent a week in the pokey
eating green baloney and when he got out he was on some type of
monitored system where he could be tested for booze or pot at any
given time for a year.
That happened around Xmas. He's drinking now and I doubt he'd turn
down pot.
That's what you get when you're rich...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
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| User: "lab~rat :-" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
21 Jun 2007 07:02:47 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:05:13 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:59:45 -0700, hancock4 wrote:
But locking up thousands of people in
hellholes obviously isn't working as a way to reduce crime.
IIRC, 60% of all prisoners (maybe it was just federal) are in for
nonviolent drug related crimes.
So we put in place laws which exponentially boost the profit to be made by
selling drugs, lock people up when we catch them doing it, and pay to keep
them imprisoned until they get out.
Smart.
So you're taking the liberal tact here and blaming the law and not the
offender...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
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| User: "KK" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
21 Jun 2007 09:29:20 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:02:47 +0000, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
So you're taking the liberal tact here and blaming the law and not the
offender...
On non-violent drug offenses? Absolutely. Ditto for gambling and
prostitution, too, and I'm sure I could come up with others.
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| User: "lab~rat :-" |
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21 Jun 2007 01:56:24 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:29:20 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:02:47 +0000, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
So you're taking the liberal tact here and blaming the law and not the
offender...
On non-violent drug offenses? Absolutely. Ditto for gambling and
prostitution, too, and I'm sure I could come up with others.
So how pro drug are you? Are you thinking that everything should be
legal? Just weed?
--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
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| User: "KK" |
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21 Jun 2007 02:06:18 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:56:24 +0000, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:29:20 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:02:47 +0000, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
So you're taking the liberal tact here and blaming the law and not the
offender...
On non-violent drug offenses? Absolutely. Ditto for gambling and
prostitution, too, and I'm sure I could come up with others.
So how pro drug are you? Are you thinking that everything should be
legal? Just weed?
I think everything should be decriminalized. That's not the same thing as
advocating the use of everything.
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| User: "lab~rat :-" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
21 Jun 2007 02:28:08 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:06:18 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:56:24 +0000, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:29:20 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:02:47 +0000, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
So you're taking the liberal tact here and blaming the law and not the
offender...
On non-violent drug offenses? Absolutely. Ditto for gambling and
prostitution, too, and I'm sure I could come up with others.
So how pro drug are you? Are you thinking that everything should be
legal? Just weed?
I think everything should be decriminalized. That's not the same thing as
advocating the use of everything.
By decriminalized, does that include distribution?
--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
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| User: "KK" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
21 Jun 2007 03:52:31 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:28:08 +0000, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
I think everything should be decriminalized. That's not the same thing as
advocating the use of everything.
By decriminalized, does that include distribution?
There has to be a regulated, legitimate source for them.
Once laws close that source, they create an opportunity for windfall
profit in illegal distribution.
That's the problem.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
21 Jun 2007 04:20:09 PM |
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On Jun 21, 4:52 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
There has to be a regulated, legitimate source for them.
"Regulated" means there will still be that demand for "unregulated"
supplies. For example, there's a huge business in bootleg cigarettes
as well as alcohol for kids, after hours clubs, etc. Being
"regulated" hasn't stopped those problems.
I am at a loss as to why so many people need to constantly drown out
reality in the bottle or the weed. They used to tell us poor people
did it to hide their poverty, but plenty of rich people in the suburbs
are big users. Suburban rich kids are notoriously huge drinkers.
L&O SVU did an episode on a teen alcohol use; soon after it aired a
worse real life situation occured.
Society really needs to come to terms with this situation. Drug and
alcohol use really do screw people up and cause terrible damage.
Anyone in denial about that has their head in the sand or stoned
themselves.
Instead of this obsessiveness over Paris, Lindsay, Britney, we should
be ignoring them, not buying their records or seeing their movies.
Sadly, their exploits are a studio's wet dream; they're assured of
many future projects. Young actors who are clean are forgotten and
out of work.
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| User: "KK" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
21 Jun 2007 04:39:11 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:20:09 -0700, hancock4 wrote:
On Jun 21, 4:52 pm, KK <_...@furburger.net> wrote:
There has to be a regulated, legitimate source for them.
"Regulated" means there will still be that demand for "unregulated"
supplies. For example, there's a huge business in bootleg cigarettes
as well as alcohol for kids, after hours clubs, etc. Being
"regulated" hasn't stopped those problems.
Those cases support my position, not weaken it.
Stricter regulation of cigarettes has resulted in a huge increase in black
market smokes.
I advocate a huge reduction in regulation. I don't know that I think it
should go as far as to make crack cocaine available in school vending
machines.
I am at a loss as to why so many people need to constantly drown out
reality in the bottle or the weed. They used to tell us poor people
did it to hide their poverty, but plenty of rich people in the suburbs
are big users. Suburban rich kids are notoriously huge drinkers.
L&O SVU did an episode on a teen alcohol use; soon after it aired a
worse real life situation occured.
They must be related.
Society really needs to come to terms with this situation. Drug and
alcohol use really do screw people up and cause terrible damage.
Anyone in denial about that has their head in the sand or stoned
themselves.
Instead of this obsessiveness over Paris, Lindsay, Britney, we should
be ignoring them, not buying their records or seeing their movies.
Sadly, their exploits are a studio's wet dream; they're assured of
many future projects. Young actors who are clean are forgotten and
out of work.
Zzzzzzzz.
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| User: "lab~rat :-" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
22 Jun 2007 07:37:36 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:52:31 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:28:08 +0000, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
I think everything should be decriminalized. That's not the same thing as
advocating the use of everything.
By decriminalized, does that include distribution?
There has to be a regulated, legitimate source for them.
Once laws close that source, they create an opportunity for windfall
profit in illegal distribution.
That's the problem.
I don't know if you can grow cocoa plants in the US or poppies, would
you go so far to import raw materials or the goods themselves from
other countries?
The countries that currently supply this stuff to us have bad human
rights issues.
I have no problem with growing your own and enough for say ten
friends...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
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| User: "KK" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
22 Jun 2007 08:06:58 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:37:36 +0000, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
Once laws close that source, they create an opportunity for windfall
profit in illegal distribution.
That's the problem.
I don't know if you can grow cocoa plants in the US or poppies, would
you go so far to import raw materials or the goods themselves from
other countries?
Coca is grown all along the Andes, at low and high altitudes, which would
seem to make it pretty hardy.
Poppy plants grow everywhere. Even Afghanistan.
The countries that currently supply this stuff to us have bad human
rights issues.
You've got the cause and effect mixed up on that; the stuff isn't produced
there because it's indigenous or suitable - it's produced there *because*
they have bad relations with the US and don't care whether we want them to
stop.
I have no problem with growing your own and enough for say ten
friends...
Agreed. There's something profoundly stupid about making a plant illegal.
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| User: "lab~rat :-" |
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| Title: Re: Cost of jail |
22 Jun 2007 08:51:59 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:06:58 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
I have no problem with growing your own and enough for say ten
friends...
Agreed. There's something profoundly stupid about making a plant illegal.
From what I understand, tobacco and barley is regulated as well...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
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