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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:08:00 AM
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From The Associated Press, 9/2/06:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-hunt-for-bin-laden,0,3402491.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
Bin Laden Manhunt Still Drawing a Blank
By PAUL GARWOOD and MATTHEW PENNINGTON
Associated Press Writers
AFGHANISTAN-PAKISTAN BORDER --
The al-Qaida terror camps are gone from Afghanistan, but the enigma of
Osama bin Laden still hangs over these lawless borderlands where tens
of thousands of U.S. and Pakistani troops have spent nearly five years
searching for him.
Villagers say the CIA missed by only a few miles when it targeted bin
Laden's top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, with a missile strike in
January.
Then in May, U.S. Special Forces arrested one of al-Zawahri's closest
aides, suggesting the trail has not gone entirely cold.
As for bin Laden himself?
He may be nearby.
Yet hopes of cornering the Saudi-born al-Qaida leader seem distant as
ever.
The last time authorities said they were close to getting him was in
2004, and in hindsight those statements seem more hope than fact.
Five years after the Sept. 11 attacks, the most publicized manhunt in
history has drawn a blank.
The CIA has reorganized agents searching for the al Qaida leaders in
the face of the evolving nature of the terrorist threat.
And the American military's once-singular focus is diffused by the
need for reconstruction and a growing fight against the Taliban, the
resurgent Afghan Islamic movement that once hosted bin Laden.
American soldiers climbing through the forested mountains of
Afghanistan's Kunar province -- where in the 1980s bin Laden fought in
the U.S.-backed jihad against the Soviets -- still hope to catch or
kill him.
But they say bolstering the Afghan government is their primary mission
now, amid the worst upsurge in Taliban attacks in five years.
"It is like chasing ghosts up there," said Sgt. George Williams, 37,
of Watertown, N.Y., part of the Army's 10th Mountain Division pushing
into untamed territory along the border with Pakistan.
"Osama bin Laden is always going to be a target of ours as long as he
is out there, but there are other missions: to rebuild Afghanistan and
attack the militants still here."
The top leaders of al-Qaida remain free despite more than 100,000
U.S., Afghan and Pakistani forces at the frontier.
High-tech listening posts, satellite imagery, unmanned spy planes --
not to mention a $25 million bounty on each man from the U.S.
government -- all aid the hunt.
Yet both bin Laden and al-Zawahri are communicating to the outside
world, posting messages on Islamic Web sites to inspire further
attacks on the West.
Although the al-Qaida leaders are too isolated to run directly a
terrorist operation like Sept. 11, Pakistan says the latest alleged
plot, to bomb U.S.-bound jetliners from Britain, may have been blessed
by al-Zawahri.
The frustrating campaign has frayed critical cooperation between
Afghanistan and Pakistan, neighbors separated by an ill-defined
frontier and a history of mutual suspicion.
Pakistan has captured most of bin Laden's lieutenants, including 9/11
attacks coordinator Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and claims to have reduced
the remaining al-Qaida command to mere figureheads.
Pakistan has lost 350 troops fighting al-Qaida and Taliban-linked
militants.
Yet Afghan officials allege that Pakistan is sanctuary for Taliban
rebel leaders and lets them recruit from radical Islamic schools.
They even suggest that Pakistan is hiding bin Laden, perhaps to ensure
Pakistan remains of strategic importance to Washington.
"We believe he is being kept as a prize, as an ultimate bargaining
chip," said a senior Afghan government official, who declined to be
identified due to the sensitivity of his comments.
Latfullah Mashal, a former Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman, goes so
far as to pinpoint bin Laden's hideout in a remote valley in
Pakistan's North Waziristan region.
He says there's a mountain fortress with a network of tunnels, guarded
by African militants who never venture outside.
Pakistan, which formally ended its support for the Taliban after the
Sept. 11 attacks, rejects both allegations.
It has about 80,000 troops in its wild tribal regions along the Afghan
frontier, including a U.S.-trained and equipped quick-reaction force.
"I don't think any other country has played a bigger role than
Pakistan," said Interior Minister Aftab Khan Sherpao.
Retired Lt. Gen. Ali Mohammed Jan Aurakzai, who led the Pakistani army
into the region after the Sept. 11 attacks, said sealing the border
between Afghanistan and Pakistan would require between 150,000 and
200,000 troops "and still there's no 100 percent guarantee that
infiltration would not take place."
Strained by the demands of Iraq, the U.S. has only about 20,000 troops
in Afghanistan.
The roughly 10,000 in the border area must cover about 30,000 square
miles of some of the most forbidding territory on Earth: jagged
mountains, both arid and forested, that become impassable in winter.
There are steep valleys and rushing rivers spanned by rickety rope
bridges; dark caves that could be booby trapped.
Deeply religious and xenophobic villagers also obstruct efforts to run
down al-Qaida remnants.
"Bin Laden has a network of contacts and places to go to if he needs
to that's pretty close to 20 years old. He's a veteran of that region,
so it's very hard to find him," said Michael Scheuer, who once headed
the CIA unit that was dedicated to hunting the al-Qaida leader.
"Bin Laden's status as a hero in the Islamic world is also a telling
factor in why he's not been caught."
A senior former Pakistani intelligence official put it more bluntly.
"These (ethnic) Pashtuns have their own traditions. They'll die but
they'll not hand over bin Laden," said the official, who declined to
be named because of the secretive subject matter.
For U.S. troops, the Afghan mission is increasingly dangerous.
At least 272 U.S. service members have died in and around Afghanistan
since October 2001, including three recently from Williams' unit.
Some 44 U.S. servicemembers died in Afghanistan in 2004, 92 in 2005
and 61 so far in 2006.
Western, Afghan and Pakistani officials agree that the nearest they
got to bin Laden was in the Tora Bora mountains, south of Kunar, in
November 2001 when he was fleeing the U.S.-backed war that toppled the
Taliban regime.
The Pakistani intelligence official said Pakistan at first thought bin
Laden was dead, perhaps killed by a bomb at Tora Bora, until a letter
he penned to his family was recovered from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when
he was arrested in March 2003.
After that, repeated attempts have been made to get bin Laden and
al-Zawahri.
-- In late 2003, Pakistani forces raided Lattaka, a village in North
Waziristan, to get bin Laden but he wasn't there, said the
intelligence official.
-- In 2004, amid a flurry of military action on both sides of the
border, U.S. Lt. Gen. David Barno said he expected to bring bin Laden
to justice that year -- although officials now say they had no hard
intelligence to go on.
"It was all guesswork. No one ever gave us precise information that
bin Laden or al-Zawahri is in such-and-such area, even a general
area," said Pakistan's Aurakzai.
-- Pakistan stepped up its military action in 2004 with a series of
bloody operations in South Waziristan province. They busted al-Qaida
bases complete with computer and communications equipment. However,
most foreign militants at these sanctuaries were not Arabs close to
bin Laden but Central Asians, Pakistani officials said.
-- Sometime that year, Pakistan learned that either bin Laden or
al-Zawahri was elsewhere in South Waziristan. "An operation was
carried out where we were close to getting him but the trail got
cold," said Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, spokesman for President Pervez
Musharraf. He declined to be more specific.
-- In the most recent case, in January, the CIA fired a missile from a
Predator drone into the remote Pakistani village of Damadola, 155
miles northeast of Waziristan. The target was al-Zawahri, who was
expected to attend a dinner there. Pakistani intelligence and local
residents say the Egyptian doctor-turned-terrorist did not show, but
they later learned he was at a supporter's home in Salarzi, about 7.5
miles to the east.
The missile killed at least 13 civilians.
Reports that a number of senior al-Qaida operatives also died were
never confirmed, as none of their bodies were found.
The associate who allegedly hosted al-Zawahri, a timber merchant and
tribal chief called Haji Nader, was later arrested by U.S. Special
Forces and taken to the American air base in Bagram, Afghanistan, said
Commander Youssef, police chief in Naray, where the military also has
a base.
Youssef declined to give further details, but Pakistani intelligence
officials and local residents said the arrest was made in May in Kunar
province and that Nader's family in Pakistan had since received a
letter from him, sent from Bagram.
The U.S. military declined to confirm the information.
Talk of al-Zawahri's whereabouts persists.
In Pakistan's Bajur region, opposite Kunar, tribesmen say al-Zawahri
moves with a small entourage between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
They say al-Zawahri briefly visited near Damadola in July and got
engaged or married to the teenage daughter of another local associate,
Kawas Khan, and the ceremony was attended by tribal elders including
pro-Taliban militants.
Pakistani intelligence confirmed the reports but Aurakzai, who is now
the provincial governor, maintained they were speculation.
Getting solid information is a dangerous business.
In Pakistan's border region, resentment has grown over the presence of
the army. Until the Sept. 11 attacks, the military had left the
semi-autonomous region alone since Pakistan won independence from
Britain in 1947.
Aurkazai said that since late 2004, about 70 tribesmen have been
killed, mostly for cooperating with the government; other officials
report more than 100 such deaths.
A senior officer in Pakistan's intelligence service, speaking on
condition of anonymity, said at least 30 of its informants were
assassinated, often beheaded and their heads displayed in a public
place.
On Aug. 7, the decapitated corpse of a 38-year-old former
militant-turned-informer, Loi Khan, was dumped in a North Waziristan
village.
An attached note read:
"See this man's body. Anyone spying on us will face the same end."
Another intelligence officer said it was harder for Pakistani agents
to operate in their own tribal areas than inside archrival India.
"In the enemy country, we know who is our enemy but in the tribal
areas it is extremely difficult to differentiate between the enemy and
the friends," he said.
Pakistani intelligence officials say bin Laden and al-Zawahri likely
live separately, each with a tight entourage of trusted Arab retainers
and several rings of defense, the outermost ring manned by local
militants.
They use a complex chain of human couriers, rather than
intercept-prone electronics, to get out their messages. Al-Zawahri has
issued 10 video or audio messages this year.
Bin Laden -- last seen in video in October 2004 -- has released five
audio messages during 2006.
Among the messages was a June 30 tribute to al-Qaida in Iraq leader
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, killed north of Baghdad on June 7, and another
soon afterward endorsing al-Zarqawi's successor.
Although Pakistan claims to have reduced al-Qaida's leaders to
symbols, Pakistani intelligence says its agents have heard that the
alleged British-based scheme to bomb trans-Atlantic jetliners was
blessed by al-Zawahri.
If true, that would mean Afghanistan remains the headwaters of the
world's most feared terrorist movement nearly five years after 3,000
people were killed in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
"There's a little bit of whistling past the graveyard when we say the
organization (al-Qaida) is broken," said Scheuer.
________________________________________________________
What did the Republican president say his "mission" was again?
Harry
.

User: "Positive Sex Fiend"

Title: Re: Hey, anybody know where Osama is? 02 Sep 2006 11:46:33 AM
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

From The Associated Press, 9/2/06:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-hunt-for-bin-
laden,0,3402491.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

I think he is having dinner at the White House, this week.

Bin Laden Manhunt Still Drawing a Blank

By PAUL GARWOOD and MATTHEW PENNINGTON
Associated Press Writers

AFGHANISTAN-PAKISTAN BORDER --

The al-Qaida terror camps are gone from Afghanistan, but the enigma of
Osama bin Laden still hangs over these lawless borderlands where tens
of thousands of U.S. and Pakistani troops have spent nearly five years
searching for him.

Villagers say the CIA missed by only a few miles when it targeted bin
Laden's top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, with a missile strike in
January.

Then in May, U.S. Special Forces arrested one of al-Zawahri's closest
aides, suggesting the trail has not gone entirely cold.

As for bin Laden himself?

He may be nearby.

Yet hopes of cornering the Saudi-born al-Qaida leader seem distant as
ever.

The last time authorities said they were close to getting him was in
2004, and in hindsight those statements seem more hope than fact.

Five years after the Sept. 11 attacks, the most publicized manhunt in
history has drawn a blank.

The CIA has reorganized agents searching for the al Qaida leaders in
the face of the evolving nature of the terrorist threat.

And the American military's once-singular focus is diffused by the
need for reconstruction and a growing fight against the Taliban, the
resurgent Afghan Islamic movement that once hosted bin Laden.

American soldiers climbing through the forested mountains of
Afghanistan's Kunar province -- where in the 1980s bin Laden fought in
the U.S.-backed jihad against the Soviets -- still hope to catch or
kill him.

But they say bolstering the Afghan government is their primary mission
now, amid the worst upsurge in Taliban attacks in five years.

"It is like chasing ghosts up there," said Sgt. George Williams, 37,
of Watertown, N.Y., part of the Army's 10th Mountain Division pushing
into untamed territory along the border with Pakistan.

"Osama bin Laden is always going to be a target of ours as long as he
is out there, but there are other missions: to rebuild Afghanistan and
attack the militants still here."

The top leaders of al-Qaida remain free despite more than 100,000
U.S., Afghan and Pakistani forces at the frontier.

High-tech listening posts, satellite imagery, unmanned spy planes --
not to mention a $25 million bounty on each man from the U.S.
government -- all aid the hunt.

Yet both bin Laden and al-Zawahri are communicating to the outside
world, posting messages on Islamic Web sites to inspire further
attacks on the West.

Although the al-Qaida leaders are too isolated to run directly a
terrorist operation like Sept. 11, Pakistan says the latest alleged
plot, to bomb U.S.-bound jetliners from Britain, may have been blessed
by al-Zawahri.

The frustrating campaign has frayed critical cooperation between
Afghanistan and Pakistan, neighbors separated by an ill-defined
frontier and a history of mutual suspicion.

Pakistan has captured most of bin Laden's lieutenants, including 9/11
attacks coordinator Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and claims to have reduced
the remaining al-Qaida command to mere figureheads.

Pakistan has lost 350 troops fighting al-Qaida and Taliban-linked
militants.

Yet Afghan officials allege that Pakistan is sanctuary for Taliban
rebel leaders and lets them recruit from radical Islamic schools.

They even suggest that Pakistan is hiding bin Laden, perhaps to ensure
Pakistan remains of strategic importance to Washington.

"We believe he is being kept as a prize, as an ultimate bargaining
chip," said a senior Afghan government official, who declined to be
identified due to the sensitivity of his comments.

Latfullah Mashal, a former Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman, goes so
far as to pinpoint bin Laden's hideout in a remote valley in
Pakistan's North Waziristan region.

He says there's a mountain fortress with a network of tunnels, guarded
by African militants who never venture outside.

Pakistan, which formally ended its support for the Taliban after the
Sept. 11 attacks, rejects both allegations.

It has about 80,000 troops in its wild tribal regions along the Afghan
frontier, including a U.S.-trained and equipped quick-reaction force.

"I don't think any other country has played a bigger role than
Pakistan," said Interior Minister Aftab Khan Sherpao.

Retired Lt. Gen. Ali Mohammed Jan Aurakzai, who led the Pakistani army
into the region after the Sept. 11 attacks, said sealing the border
between Afghanistan and Pakistan would require between 150,000 and
200,000 troops "and still there's no 100 percent guarantee that
infiltration would not take place."

Strained by the demands of Iraq, the U.S. has only about 20,000 troops
in Afghanistan.

The roughly 10,000 in the border area must cover about 30,000 square
miles of some of the most forbidding territory on Earth: jagged
mountains, both arid and forested, that become impassable in winter.

There are steep valleys and rushing rivers spanned by rickety rope
bridges; dark caves that could be booby trapped.

Deeply religious and xenophobic villagers also obstruct efforts to run
down al-Qaida remnants.

"Bin Laden has a network of contacts and places to go to if he needs
to that's pretty close to 20 years old. He's a veteran of that region,
so it's very hard to find him," said Michael Scheuer, who once headed
the CIA unit that was dedicated to hunting the al-Qaida leader.

"Bin Laden's status as a hero in the Islamic world is also a telling
factor in why he's not been caught."

A senior former Pakistani intelligence official put it more bluntly.

"These (ethnic) Pashtuns have their own traditions. They'll die but
they'll not hand over bin Laden," said the official, who declined to
be named because of the secretive subject matter.

For U.S. troops, the Afghan mission is increasingly dangerous.

At least 272 U.S. service members have died in and around Afghanistan
since October 2001, including three recently from Williams' unit.

Some 44 U.S. servicemembers died in Afghanistan in 2004, 92 in 2005
and 61 so far in 2006.

Western, Afghan and Pakistani officials agree that the nearest they
got to bin Laden was in the Tora Bora mountains, south of Kunar, in
November 2001 when he was fleeing the U.S.-backed war that toppled the
Taliban regime.

The Pakistani intelligence official said Pakistan at first thought bin
Laden was dead, perhaps killed by a bomb at Tora Bora, until a letter
he penned to his family was recovered from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when
he was arrested in March 2003.

After that, repeated attempts have been made to get bin Laden and
al-Zawahri.

-- In late 2003, Pakistani forces raided Lattaka, a village in North
Waziristan, to get bin Laden but he wasn't there, said the
intelligence official.

-- In 2004, amid a flurry of military action on both sides of the
border, U.S. Lt. Gen. David Barno said he expected to bring bin Laden
to justice that year -- although officials now say they had no hard
intelligence to go on.

"It was all guesswork. No one ever gave us precise information that
bin Laden or al-Zawahri is in such-and-such area, even a general
area," said Pakistan's Aurakzai.

-- Pakistan stepped up its military action in 2004 with a series of
bloody operations in South Waziristan province. They busted al-Qaida
bases complete with computer and communications equipment. However,
most foreign militants at these sanctuaries were not Arabs close to
bin Laden but Central Asians, Pakistani officials said.

-- Sometime that year, Pakistan learned that either bin Laden or
al-Zawahri was elsewhere in South Waziristan. "An operation was
carried out where we were close to getting him but the trail got
cold," said Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, spokesman for President Pervez
Musharraf. He declined to be more specific.

-- In the most recent case, in January, the CIA fired a missile from a
Predator drone into the remote Pakistani village of Damadola, 155
miles northeast of Waziristan. The target was al-Zawahri, who was
expected to attend a dinner there. Pakistani intelligence and local
residents say the Egyptian doctor-turned-terrorist did not show, but
they later learned he was at a supporter's home in Salarzi, about 7.5
miles to the east.

The missile killed at least 13 civilians.

Reports that a number of senior al-Qaida operatives also died were
never confirmed, as none of their bodies were found.

The associate who allegedly hosted al-Zawahri, a timber merchant and
tribal chief called Haji Nader, was later arrested by U.S. Special
Forces and taken to the American air base in Bagram, Afghanistan, said
Commander Youssef, police chief in Naray, where the military also has
a base.

Youssef declined to give further details, but Pakistani intelligence
officials and local residents said the arrest was made in May in Kunar
province and that Nader's family in Pakistan had since received a
letter from him, sent from Bagram.

The U.S. military declined to confirm the information.

Talk of al-Zawahri's whereabouts persists.

In Pakistan's Bajur region, opposite Kunar, tribesmen say al-Zawahri
moves with a small entourage between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

They say al-Zawahri briefly visited near Damadola in July and got
engaged or married to the teenage daughter of another local associate,
Kawas Khan, and the ceremony was attended by tribal elders including
pro-Taliban militants.

Pakistani intelligence confirmed the reports but Aurakzai, who is now
the provincial governor, maintained they were speculation.

Getting solid information is a dangerous business.

In Pakistan's border region, resentment has grown over the presence of
the army. Until the Sept. 11 attacks, the military had left the
semi-autonomous region alone since Pakistan won independence from
Britain in 1947.

Aurkazai said that since late 2004, about 70 tribesmen have been
killed, mostly for cooperating with the government; other officials
report more than 100 such deaths.

A senior officer in Pakistan's intelligence service, speaking on
condition of anonymity, said at least 30 of its informants were
assassinated, often beheaded and their heads displayed in a public
place.

On Aug. 7, the decapitated corpse of a 38-year-old former
militant-turned-informer, Loi Khan, was dumped in a North Waziristan
village.

An attached note read:

"See this man's body. Anyone spying on us will face the same end."

Another intelligence officer said it was harder for Pakistani agents
to operate in their own tribal areas than inside archrival India.

"In the enemy country, we know who is our enemy but in the tribal
areas it is extremely difficult to differentiate between the enemy and
the friends," he said.

Pakistani intelligence officials say bin Laden and al-Zawahri likely
live separately, each with a tight entourage of trusted Arab retainers
and several rings of defense, the outermost ring manned by local
militants.

They use a complex chain of human couriers, rather than
intercept-prone electronics, to get out their messages. Al-Zawahri has
issued 10 video or audio messages this year.

Bin Laden -- last seen in video in October 2004 -- has released five
audio messages during 2006.

Among the messages was a June 30 tribute to al-Qaida in Iraq leader
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, killed north of Baghdad on June 7, and another
soon afterward endorsing al-Zarqawi's successor.

Although Pakistan claims to have reduced al-Qaida's leaders to
symbols, Pakistani intelligence says its agents have heard that the
alleged British-based scheme to bomb trans-Atlantic jetliners was
blessed by al-Zawahri.

If true, that would mean Afghanistan remains the headwaters of the
world's most feared terrorist movement nearly five years after 3,000
people were killed in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

"There's a little bit of whistling past the graveyard when we say the
organization (al-Qaida) is broken," said Scheuer.

________________________________________________________

What did the Republican president say his "mission" was again?

Harry

.

User: "Hatto von Aquitanien"

Title: Re: Hey, anybody know where Osama is? 03 Sep 2006 09:57:27 AM
Harry Hope wrote:


From The Associated Press, 9/2/06:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-hunt-for-bin-laden,0,3402491.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines


Bin Laden Manhunt Still Drawing a Blank

Clue #1: There is no hard evidence linking bin Laden to 9/11.
Clue #2: That which has been presented as evidence by the US Government is a
transparent fraud.
Clue #3: Osama bin Laden is dead, and has been that way for years.
Clue #4: When someone gets framed for a crime he didn't commit, the person
who fingers him becomes a likely suspect.
Clue #5: 9/11 was an inside job.
--
Nil conscire sibi
.
User: "c-bee1"

Title: Re: Hey, anybody know where Osama is? 03 Sep 2006 10:17:30 AM
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
news:KrWdne3OzIPGcGfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@speakeasy.net...

Harry Hope wrote:


From The Associated Press, 9/2/06:


http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-hunt-for-bin-laden,0,3402491.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines


Bin Laden Manhunt Still Drawing a Blank


Clue #1: There is no hard evidence linking bin Laden to 9/11.

Clue #2: That which has been presented as evidence by the US Government is

a

transparent fraud.

Clue #3: Osama bin Laden is dead, and has been that way for years.

Clue #4: When someone gets framed for a crime he didn't commit, the person
who fingers him becomes a likely suspect.

Clue #5: 9/11 was an inside job.
--
Nil conscire sibi

You were doing OK till item 2.
.


User: "Rich Travsky"

Title: Osama Who? Re: Hey, anybody know where Osama is? 03 Sep 2006 02:15:23 AM
Harry Hope wrote:


From The Associated Press, 9/2/06:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-hunt-for-bin-laden,0,3402491.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

Bin Laden Manhunt Still Drawing a Blank

By PAUL GARWOOD and MATTHEW PENNINGTON
Associated Press Writers

AFGHANISTAN-PAKISTAN BORDER --

The al-Qaida terror camps are gone from Afghanistan, but the enigma of
Osama bin Laden still hangs over these lawless borderlands where tens
of thousands of U.S. and Pakistani troops have spent nearly five years
searching for him.

Villagers say the CIA missed by only a few miles when it targeted bin
Laden's top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, with a missile strike in
January.

Then in May, U.S. Special Forces arrested one of al-Zawahri's closest
aides, suggesting the trail has not gone entirely cold.

As for bin Laden himself?

He may be nearby.

Yet hopes of cornering the Saudi-born al-Qaida leader seem distant as
ever.

The last time authorities said they were close to getting him was in
2004, and in hindsight those statements seem more hope than fact.

Five years after the Sept. 11 attacks, the most publicized manhunt in
history has drawn a blank.

The CIA has reorganized agents searching for the al Qaida leaders in
the face of the evolving nature of the terrorist threat.

And the American military's once-singular focus is diffused by the
need for reconstruction and a growing fight against the Taliban, the
resurgent Afghan Islamic movement that once hosted bin Laden.

American soldiers climbing through the forested mountains of
Afghanistan's Kunar province -- where in the 1980s bin Laden fought in
the U.S.-backed jihad against the Soviets -- still hope to catch or
kill him.

But they say bolstering the Afghan government is their primary mission
now, amid the worst upsurge in Taliban attacks in five years.

"It is like chasing ghosts up there," said Sgt. George Williams, 37,
of Watertown, N.Y., part of the Army's 10th Mountain Division pushing
into untamed territory along the border with Pakistan.

"Osama bin Laden is always going to be a target of ours as long as he
is out there, but there are other missions: to rebuild Afghanistan and
attack the militants still here."

The top leaders of al-Qaida remain free despite more than 100,000
U.S., Afghan and Pakistani forces at the frontier.

High-tech listening posts, satellite imagery, unmanned spy planes --
not to mention a $25 million bounty on each man from the U.S.
government -- all aid the hunt.

Yet both bin Laden and al-Zawahri are communicating to the outside
world, posting messages on Islamic Web sites to inspire further
attacks on the West.

Although the al-Qaida leaders are too isolated to run directly a
terrorist operation like Sept. 11, Pakistan says the latest alleged
plot, to bomb U.S.-bound jetliners from Britain, may have been blessed
by al-Zawahri.

The frustrating campaign has frayed critical cooperation between
Afghanistan and Pakistan, neighbors separated by an ill-defined
frontier and a history of mutual suspicion.

Pakistan has captured most of bin Laden's lieutenants, including 9/11
attacks coordinator Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and claims to have reduced
the remaining al-Qaida command to mere figureheads.

Pakistan has lost 350 troops fighting al-Qaida and Taliban-linked
militants.

Yet Afghan officials allege that Pakistan is sanctuary for Taliban
rebel leaders and lets them recruit from radical Islamic schools.

They even suggest that Pakistan is hiding bin Laden, perhaps to ensure
Pakistan remains of strategic importance to Washington.

"We believe he is being kept as a prize, as an ultimate bargaining
chip," said a senior Afghan government official, who declined to be
identified due to the sensitivity of his comments.

Latfullah Mashal, a former Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman, goes so
far as to pinpoint bin Laden's hideout in a remote valley in
Pakistan's North Waziristan region.

He says there's a mountain fortress with a network of tunnels, guarded
by African militants who never venture outside.

Pakistan, which formally ended its support for the Taliban after the
Sept. 11 attacks, rejects both allegations.

It has about 80,000 troops in its wild tribal regions along the Afghan
frontier, including a U.S.-trained and equipped quick-reaction force.

"I don't think any other country has played a bigger role than
Pakistan," said Interior Minister Aftab Khan Sherpao.

Retired Lt. Gen. Ali Mohammed Jan Aurakzai, who led the Pakistani army
into the region after the Sept. 11 attacks, said sealing the border
between Afghanistan and Pakistan would require between 150,000 and
200,000 troops "and still there's no 100 percent guarantee that
infiltration would not take place."

Strained by the demands of Iraq, the U.S. has only about 20,000 troops
in Afghanistan.

The roughly 10,000 in the border area must cover about 30,000 square
miles of some of the most forbidding territory on Earth: jagged
mountains, both arid and forested, that become impassable in winter.

There are steep valleys and rushing rivers spanned by rickety rope
bridges; dark caves that could be booby trapped.

Deeply religious and xenophobic villagers also obstruct efforts to run
down al-Qaida remnants.

"Bin Laden has a network of contacts and places to go to if he needs
to that's pretty close to 20 years old. He's a veteran of that region,
so it's very hard to find him," said Michael Scheuer, who once headed
the CIA unit that was dedicated to hunting the al-Qaida leader.

"Bin Laden's status as a hero in the Islamic world is also a telling
factor in why he's not been caught."

A senior former Pakistani intelligence official put it more bluntly.

"These (ethnic) Pashtuns have their own traditions. They'll die but
they'll not hand over bin Laden," said the official, who declined to
be named because of the secretive subject matter.

For U.S. troops, the Afghan mission is increasingly dangerous.

At least 272 U.S. service members have died in and around Afghanistan
since October 2001, including three recently from Williams' unit.

Some 44 U.S. servicemembers died in Afghanistan in 2004, 92 in 2005
and 61 so far in 2006.

Western, Afghan and Pakistani officials agree that the nearest they
got to bin Laden was in the Tora Bora mountains, south of Kunar, in
November 2001 when he was fleeing the U.S.-backed war that toppled the
Taliban regime.

The Pakistani intelligence official said Pakistan at first thought bin
Laden was dead, perhaps killed by a bomb at Tora Bora, until a letter
he penned to his family was recovered from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when
he was arrested in March 2003.

After that, repeated attempts have been made to get bin Laden and
al-Zawahri.

-- In late 2003, Pakistani forces raided Lattaka, a village in North
Waziristan, to get bin Laden but he wasn't there, said the
intelligence official.

-- In 2004, amid a flurry of military action on both sides of the
border, U.S. Lt. Gen. David Barno said he expected to bring bin Laden
to justice that year -- although officials now say they had no hard
intelligence to go on.

"It was all guesswork. No one ever gave us precise information that
bin Laden or al-Zawahri is in such-and-such area, even a general
area," said Pakistan's Aurakzai.

-- Pakistan stepped up its military action in 2004 with a series of
bloody operations in South Waziristan province. They busted al-Qaida
bases complete with computer and communications equipment. However,
most foreign militants at these sanctuaries were not Arabs close to
bin Laden but Central Asians, Pakistani officials said.

-- Sometime that year, Pakistan learned that either bin Laden or
al-Zawahri was elsewhere in South Waziristan. "An operation was
carried out where we were close to getting him but the trail got
cold," said Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, spokesman for President Pervez
Musharraf. He declined to be more specific.

-- In the most recent case, in January, the CIA fired a missile from a
Predator drone into the remote Pakistani village of Damadola, 155
miles northeast of Waziristan. The target was al-Zawahri, who was
expected to attend a dinner there. Pakistani intelligence and local
residents say the Egyptian doctor-turned-terrorist did not show, but
they later learned he was at a supporter's home in Salarzi, about 7.5
miles to the east.

The missile killed at least 13 civilians.

Reports that a number of senior al-Qaida operatives also died were
never confirmed, as none of their bodies were found.

The associate who allegedly hosted al-Zawahri, a timber merchant and
tribal chief called Haji Nader, was later arrested by U.S. Special
Forces and taken to the American air base in Bagram, Afghanistan, said
Commander Youssef, police chief in Naray, where the military also has
a base.

Youssef declined to give further details, but Pakistani intelligence
officials and local residents said the arrest was made in May in Kunar
province and that Nader's family in Pakistan had since received a
letter from him, sent from Bagram.

The U.S. military declined to confirm the information.

Talk of al-Zawahri's whereabouts persists.

In Pakistan's Bajur region, opposite Kunar, tribesmen say al-Zawahri
moves with a small entourage between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

They say al-Zawahri briefly visited near Damadola in July and got
engaged or married to the teenage daughter of another local associate,
Kawas Khan, and the ceremony was attended by tribal elders including
pro-Taliban militants.

Pakistani intelligence confirmed the reports but Aurakzai, who is now
the provincial governor, maintained they were speculation.

Getting solid information is a dangerous business.

In Pakistan's border region, resentment has grown over the presence of
the army. Until the Sept. 11 attacks, the military had left the
semi-autonomous region alone since Pakistan won independence from
Britain in 1947.

Aurkazai said that since late 2004, about 70 tribesmen have been
killed, mostly for cooperating with the government; other officials
report more than 100 such deaths.

A senior officer in Pakistan's intelligence service, speaking on
condition of anonymity, said at least 30 of its informants were
assassinated, often beheaded and their heads displayed in a public
place.

On Aug. 7, the decapitated corpse of a 38-year-old former
militant-turned-informer, Loi Khan, was dumped in a North Waziristan
village.

An attached note read:

"See this man's body. Anyone spying on us will face the same end."

Another intelligence officer said it was harder for Pakistani agents
to operate in their own tribal areas than inside archrival India.

"In the enemy country, we know who is our enemy but in the tribal
areas it is extremely difficult to differentiate between the enemy and
the friends," he said.

Pakistani intelligence officials say bin Laden and al-Zawahri likely
live separately, each with a tight entourage of trusted Arab retainers
and several rings of defense, the outermost ring manned by local
militants.

They use a complex chain of human couriers, rather than
intercept-prone electronics, to get out their messages. Al-Zawahri has
issued 10 video or audio messages this year.

Bin Laden -- last seen in video in October 2004 -- has released five
audio messages during 2006.

Among the messages was a June 30 tribute to al-Qaida in Iraq leader
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, killed north of Baghdad on June 7, and another
soon afterward endorsing al-Zarqawi's successor.

Although Pakistan claims to have reduced al-Qaida's leaders to
symbols, Pakistani intelligence says its agents have heard that the
alleged British-based scheme to bomb trans-Atlantic jetliners was
blessed by al-Zawahri.

If true, that would mean Afghanistan remains the headwaters of the
world's most feared terrorist movement nearly five years after 3,000
people were killed in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

"There's a little bit of whistling past the graveyard when we say the
organization (al-Qaida) is broken," said Scheuer.

________________________________________________________

What did the Republican president say his "mission" was again?

Harry

.

User: "the_blogologist"

Title: Re: Hey, anybody know where Osama is? 02 Sep 2006 06:26:22 PM
He's posting loads of anti-Bush crap in newsgroups and going by the name
"Harry Hope".
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

From The Associated Press, 9/2/06:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-hunt-for-bin
-laden,0,3402491.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines


Bin Laden Manhunt Still Drawing a Blank

By PAUL GARWOOD and MATTHEW PENNINGTON
Associated Press Writers

AFGHANISTAN-PAKISTAN BORDER --

The al-Qaida terror camps are gone from Afghanistan, but the enigma of
Osama bin Laden still hangs over these lawless borderlands where tens
of thousands of U.S. and Pakistani troops have spent nearly five years
searching for him.

Villagers say the CIA missed by only a few miles when it targeted bin
Laden's top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, with a missile strike in
January.

Then in May, U.S. Special Forces arrested one of al-Zawahri's closest
aides, suggesting the trail has not gone entirely cold.

As for bin Laden himself?

He may be nearby.

Yet hopes of cornering the Saudi-born al-Qaida leader seem distant as
ever.

The last time authorities said they were close to getting him was in
2004, and in hindsight those statements seem more hope than fact.

Five years after the Sept. 11 attacks, the most publicized manhunt in
history has drawn a blank.

The CIA has reorganized agents searching for the al Qaida leaders in
the face of the evolving nature of the terrorist threat.

And the American military's once-singular focus is diffused by the
need for reconstruction and a growing fight against the Taliban, the
resurgent Afghan Islamic movement that once hosted bin Laden.

American soldiers climbing through the forested mountains of
Afghanistan's Kunar province -- where in the 1980s bin Laden fought in
the U.S.-backed jihad against the Soviets -- still hope to catch or
kill him.

But they say bolstering the Afghan government is their primary mission
now, amid the worst upsurge in Taliban attacks in five years.

"It is like chasing ghosts up there," said Sgt. George Williams, 37,
of Watertown, N.Y., part of the Army's 10th Mountain Division pushing
into untamed territory along the border with Pakistan.

"Osama bin Laden is always going to be a target of ours as long as he
is out there, but there are other missions: to rebuild Afghanistan and
attack the militants still here."

The top leaders of al-Qaida remain free despite more than 100,000
U.S., Afghan and Pakistani forces at the frontier.

High-tech listening posts, satellite imagery, unmanned spy planes --
not to mention a $25 million bounty on each man from the U.S.
government -- all aid the hunt.

Yet both bin Laden and al-Zawahri are communicating to the outside
world, posting messages on Islamic Web sites to inspire further
attacks on the West.

Although the al-Qaida leaders are too isolated to run directly a
terrorist operation like Sept. 11, Pakistan says the latest alleged
plot, to bomb U.S.-bound jetliners from Britain, may have been blessed
by al-Zawahri.

The frustrating campaign has frayed critical cooperation between
Afghanistan and Pakistan, neighbors separated by an ill-defined
frontier and a history of mutual suspicion.

Pakistan has captured most of bin Laden's lieutenants, including 9/11
attacks coordinator Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and claims to have reduced
the remaining al-Qaida command to mere figureheads.

Pakistan has lost 350 troops fighting al-Qaida and Taliban-linked
militants.

Yet Afghan officials allege that Pakistan is sanctuary for Taliban
rebel leaders and lets them recruit from radical Islamic schools.

They even suggest that Pakistan is hiding bin Laden, perhaps to ensure
Pakistan remains of strategic importance to Washington.

"We believe he is being kept as a prize, as an ultimate bargaining
chip," said a senior Afghan government official, who declined to be
identified due to the sensitivity of his comments.

Latfullah Mashal, a former Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman, goes so
far as to pinpoint bin Laden's hideout in a remote valley in
Pakistan's North Waziristan region.

He says there's a mountain fortress with a network of tunnels, guarded
by African militants who never venture outside.

Pakistan, which formally ended its support for the Taliban after the
Sept. 11 attacks, rejects both allegations.

It has about 80,000 troops in its wild tribal regions along the Afghan
frontier, including a U.S.-trained and equipped quick-reaction force.

"I don't think any other country has played a bigger role than
Pakistan," said Interior Minister Aftab Khan Sherpao.

Retired Lt. Gen. Ali Mohammed Jan Aurakzai, who led the Pakistani army
into the region after the Sept. 11 attacks, said sealing the border
between Afghanistan and Pakistan would require between 150,000 and
200,000 troops "and still there's no 100 percent guarantee that
infiltration would not take place."

Strained by the demands of Iraq, the U.S. has only about 20,000 troops
in Afghanistan.

The roughly 10,000 in the border area must cover about 30,000 square
miles of some of the most forbidding territory on Earth: jagged
mountains, both arid and forested, that become impassable in winter.

There are steep valleys and rushing rivers spanned by rickety rope
bridges; dark caves that could be booby trapped.

Deeply religious and xenophobic villagers also obstruct efforts to run
down al-Qaida remnants.

"Bin Laden has a network of contacts and places to go to if he needs
to that's pretty close to 20 years old. He's a veteran of that region,
so it's very hard to find him," said Michael Scheuer, who once headed
the CIA unit that was dedicated to hunting the al-Qaida leader.

"Bin Laden's status as a hero in the Islamic world is also a telling
factor in why he's not been caught."

A senior former Pakistani intelligence official put it more bluntly.

"These (ethnic) Pashtuns have their own traditions. They'll die but
they'll not hand over bin Laden," said the official, who declined to
be named because of the secretive subject matter.

For U.S. troops, the Afghan mission is increasingly dangerous.

At least 272 U.S. service members have died in and around Afghanistan
since October 2001, including three recently from Williams' unit.

Some 44 U.S. servicemembers died in Afghanistan in 2004, 92 in 2005
and 61 so far in 2006.

Western, Afghan and Pakistani officials agree that the nearest they
got to bin Laden was in the Tora Bora mountains, south of Kunar, in
November 2001 when he was fleeing the U.S.-backed war that toppled the
Taliban regime.

The Pakistani intelligence official said Pakistan at first thought bin
Laden was dead, perhaps killed by a bomb at Tora Bora, until a letter
he penned to his family was recovered from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when
he was arrested in March 2003.

After that, repeated attempts have been made to get bin Laden and
al-Zawahri.

-- In late 2003, Pakistani forces raided Lattaka, a village in North
Waziristan, to get bin Laden but he wasn't there, said the
intelligence official.

-- In 2004, amid a flurry of military action on both sides of the
border, U.S. Lt. Gen. David Barno said he expected to bring bin Laden
to justice that year -- although officials now say they had no hard
intelligence to go on.

"It was all guesswork. No one ever gave us precise information that
bin Laden or al-Zawahri is in such-and-such area, even a general
area," said Pakistan's Aurakzai.

-- Pakistan stepped up its military action in 2004 with a series of
bloody operations in South Waziristan province. They busted al-Qaida
bases complete with computer and communications equipment. However,
most foreign militants at these sanctuaries were not Arabs close to
bin Laden but Central Asians, Pakistani officials said.

-- Sometime that year, Pakistan learned that either bin Laden or
al-Zawahri was elsewhere in South Waziristan. "An operation was
carried out where we were close to getting him but the trail got
cold," said Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, spokesman for President Pervez
Musharraf. He declined to be more specific.

-- In the most recent case, in January, the CIA fired a missile from a
Predator drone into the remote Pakistani village of Damadola, 155
miles northeast of Waziristan. The target was al-Zawahri, who was
expected to attend a dinner there. Pakistani intelligence and local
residents say the Egyptian doctor-turned-terrorist did not show, but
they later learned he was at a supporter's home in Salarzi, about 7.5
miles to the east.

The missile killed at least 13 civilians.

Reports that a number of senior al-Qaida operatives also died were
never confirmed, as none of their bodies were found.

The associate who allegedly hosted al-Zawahri, a timber merchant and
tribal chief called Haji Nader, was later arrested by U.S. Special
Forces and taken to the American air base in Bagram, Afghanistan, said
Commander Youssef, police chief in Naray, where the military also has
a base.

Youssef declined to give further details, but Pakistani intelligence
officials and local residents said the arrest was made in May in Kunar
province and that Nader's family in Pakistan had since received a
letter from him, sent from Bagram.

The U.S. military declined to confirm the information.

Talk of al-Zawahri's whereabouts persists.

In Pakistan's Bajur region, opposite Kunar, tribesmen say al-Zawahri
moves with a small entourage between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

They say al-Zawahri briefly visited near Damadola in July and got
engaged or married to the teenage daughter of another local associate,
Kawas Khan, and the ceremony was attended by tribal elders including
pro-Taliban militants.

Pakistani intelligence confirmed the reports but Aurakzai, who is now
the provincial governor, maintained they were speculation.

Getting solid information is a dangerous business.

In Pakistan's border region, resentment has grown over the presence of
the army. Until the Sept. 11 attacks, the military had left the
semi-autonomous region alone since Pakistan won independence from
Britain in 1947.

Aurkazai said that since late 2004, about 70 tribesmen have been
killed, mostly for cooperating with the government; other officials
report more than 100 such deaths.

A senior officer in Pakistan's intelligence service, speaking on
condition of anonymity, said at least 30 of its informants were
assassinated, often beheaded and their heads displayed in a public
place.

On Aug. 7, the decapitated corpse of a 38-year-old former
militant-turned-informer, Loi Khan, was dumped in a North Waziristan
village.

An attached note read:

"See this man's body. Anyone spying on us will face the same end."

Another intelligence officer said it was harder for Pakistani agents
to operate in their own tribal areas than inside archrival India.

"In the enemy country, we know who is our enemy but in the tribal
areas it is extremely difficult to differentiate between the enemy and
the friends," he said.

Pakistani intelligence officials say bin Laden and al-Zawahri likely
live separately, each with a tight entourage of trusted Arab retainers
and several rings of defense, the outermost ring manned by local
militants.

They use a complex chain of human couriers, rather than
intercept-prone electronics, to get out their messages. Al-Zawahri has
issued 10 video or audio messages this year.

Bin Laden -- last seen in video in October 2004 -- has released five
audio messages during 2006.

Among the messages was a June 30 tribute to al-Qaida in Iraq leader
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, killed north of Baghdad on June 7, and another
soon afterward endorsing al-Zarqawi's successor.

Although Pakistan claims to have reduced al-Qaida's leaders to
symbols, Pakistani intelligence says its agents have heard that the
alleged British-based scheme to bomb trans-Atlantic jetliners was
blessed by al-Zawahri.

If true, that would mean Afghanistan remains the headwaters of the
world's most feared terrorist movement nearly five years after 3,000
people were killed in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

"There's a little bit of whistling past the graveyard when we say the
organization (al-Qaida) is broken," said Scheuer.

________________________________________________________

What did the Republican president say his "mission" was again?

Harry

.
User: "The PretZel"

Title: Re: Hey, anybody know where Osama is? 02 Sep 2006 08:56:09 PM
On 2006-09-02 16:26:22 -0700,
(the_blogologist) said:

He's posting loads of anti-Bush crap in newsgroups and going by the name
"Harry Hope".

Some idiot with an email "
" accuses Harry of being
Bin Laden by way of hiding behind an alias. "the_blogoglogist" is what
the_proctologists "look_up" to.
Stupid Rightard.



Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

From The Associated Press, 9/2/06:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-hunt-for-bin
-laden,0,3402491.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines


Bin Laden Manhunt Still Drawing a Blank

By PAUL GARWOOD and MATTHEW PENNINGTON
Associated Press Writers

AFGHANISTAN-PAKISTAN BORDER --
The al-Qaida terror camps are gone from Afghanistan, but the enigma of
Osama bin Laden still hangs over these lawless borderlands where tens
of thousands of U.S. and Pakistani troops have spent nearly five years
searching for him.
Villagers say the CIA missed by only a few miles when it targeted bin
Laden's top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, with a missile strike in
January.
Then in May, U.S. Special Forces arrested one of al-Zawahri's closest
aides, suggesting the trail has not gone entirely cold.
As for bin Laden himself?
He may be nearby.
Yet hopes of cornering the Saudi-born al-Qaida leader seem distant as
ever.
The last time authorities said they were close to getting him was in
2004, and in hindsight those statements seem more hope than fact.
Five years after the Sept. 11 attacks, the most publicized manhunt in
history has drawn a blank.
The CIA has reorganized agents searching for the al Qaida leaders in
the face of the evolving nature of the terrorist threat.
And the American military's once-singular focus is diffused by the
need for reconstruction and a growing fight against the Taliban, the
resurgent Afghan Islamic movement that once hosted bin Laden.
American soldiers climbing through the forested mountains of
Afghanistan's Kunar province -- where in the 1980s bin Laden fought in
the U.S.-backed jihad against the Soviets -- still hope to catch or
kill him.
But they say bolstering the Afghan government is their primary mission
now, amid the worst upsurge in Taliban attacks in five years.
"It is like chasing ghosts up there," said Sgt. George Williams, 37,
of Watertown, N.Y., part of the Army's 10th Mountain Division pushing
into untamed territory along the border with Pakistan.
"Osama bin Laden is always going to be a target of ours as long as he
is out there, but there are other missions: to rebuild Afghanistan and
attack the militants still here."
The top leaders of al-Qaida remain free despite more than 100,000
U.S., Afghan and Pakistani forces at the frontier.
High-tech listening posts, satellite imagery, unmanned spy planes --
not to mention a $25 million bounty on each man from the U.S.
government -- all aid the hunt.
Yet both bin Laden and al-Zawahri are communicating to the outside
world, posting messages on Islamic Web sites to inspire further
attacks on the West.
Although the al-Qaida leaders are too isolated to run directly a
terrorist operation like Sept. 11, Pakistan says the latest alleged
plot, to bomb U.S.-bound jetliners from Britain, may have been blessed
by al-Zawahri.
The frustrating campaign has frayed critical cooperation between
Afghanistan and Pakistan, neighbors separated by an ill-defined
frontier and a history of mutual suspicion.
Pakistan has captured most of bin Laden's lieutenants, including 9/11
attacks coordinator Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and claims to have reduced
the remaining al-Qaida command to mere figureheads.
Pakistan has lost 350 troops fighting al-Qaida and Taliban-linked
militants.
Yet Afghan officials allege that Pakistan is sanctuary for Taliban
rebel leaders and lets them recruit from radical Islamic schools.
They even suggest that Pakistan is hiding bin Laden, perhaps to ensure
Pakistan remains of strategic importance to Washington.
"We believe he is being kept as a prize, as an ultimate bargaining
chip," said a senior Afghan government official, who declined to be
identified due to the sensitivity of his comments.
Latfullah Mashal, a former Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman, goes so
far as to pinpoint bin Laden's hideout in a remote valley in
Pakistan's North Waziristan region.
He says there's a mountain fortress with a network of tunnels, guarded
by African militants who never venture outside.
Pakistan, which formally ended its support for the Taliban after the
Sept. 11 attacks, rejects both allegations.
It has about 80,000 troops in its wild tribal regions along the Afghan
frontier, including a U.S.-trained and equipped quick-reaction force.

"I don't think any other country has played a bigger role than
Pakistan," said Interior Minister Aftab Khan Sherpao.
Retired Lt. Gen. Ali Mohammed Jan Aurakzai, who led the Pakistani army
into the region after the Sept. 11 attacks, said sealing the border
between Afghanistan and Pakistan would require between 150,000 and
200,000 troops "and still there's no 100 percent guarantee that
infiltration would not take place."
Strained by the demands of Iraq, the U.S. has only about 20,000 troops
in Afghanistan.
The roughly 10,000 in the border area must cover about 30,000 square
miles of some of the most forbidding territory on Earth: jagged
mountains, both arid and forested, that become impassable in winter.
There are steep valleys and rushing rivers spanned by rickety rope
bridges; dark caves that could be booby trapped.
Deeply religious and xenophobic villagers also obstruct efforts to run
down al-Qaida remnants.
"Bin Laden has a network of contacts and places to go to if he needs
to that's pretty close to 20 years old. He's a veteran of that region,
so it's very hard to find him," said Michael Scheuer, who once headed
the CIA unit that was dedicated to hunting the al-Qaida leader.
"Bin Laden's status as a hero in the Islamic world is also a telling
factor in why he's not been caught."
A senior former Pakistani intelligence official put it more bluntly.
"These (ethnic) Pashtuns have their own traditions. They'll die but
they'll not hand over bin Laden," said the official, who declined to
be named because of the secretive subject matter.
For U.S. troops, the Afghan mission is increasingly dangerous.
At least 272 U.S. service members have died in and around Afghanistan
since October 2001, including three recently from Williams' unit.
Some 44 U.S. servicemembers died in Afghanistan in 2004, 92 in 2005
and 61 so far in 2006.
Western, Afghan and Pakistani officials agree that the nearest they
got to bin Laden was in the Tora Bora mountains, south of Kunar, in
November 2001 when he was fleeing the U.S.-backed war that toppled the
Taliban regime.
The Pakistani intelligence official said Pakistan at first thought bin
Laden was dead, perhaps killed by a bomb at Tora Bora, until a letter
he penned to his family was recovered from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when
he was arrested in March 2003.
After that, repeated attempts have been made to get bin Laden and
al-Zawahri.
-- In late 2003, Pakistani forces raided Lattaka, a village in North
Waziristan, to get bin Laden but he wasn't there, said the
intelligence official.
-- In 2004, amid a flurry of military action on both sides of the
border, U.S. Lt. Gen. David Barno said he expected to bring bin Laden
to justice that year -- although officials now say they had no hard
intelligence to go on.
"It was all guesswork. No one ever gave us precise information that
bin Laden or al-Zawahri is in such-and-such area, even a general
area," said Pakistan's Aurakzai.
-- Pakistan stepped up its military action in 2004 with a series of
bloody operations in South Waziristan province. They busted al-Qaida
bases complete with computer and communications equipment. However,
most foreign militants at these sanctuaries were not Arabs close to
bin Laden but Central Asians, Pakistani officials said.
-- Sometime that year, Pakistan learned that either bin Laden or
al-Zawahri was elsewhere in South Waziristan. "An operation was
carried out where we were close to getting him but the trail got
cold," said Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, spokesman for President Pervez
Musharraf. He declined to be more specific.
-- In the most recent case, in January, the CIA fired a missile from a
Predator drone into the remote Pakistani village of Damadola, 155
miles northeast of Waziristan. The target was al-Zawahri, who was
expected to attend a dinner there. Pakistani intelligence and local
residents say the Egyptian doctor-turned-terrorist did not show, but
they later learned he was at a supporter's home in Salarzi, about 7.5
miles to the east.
The missile killed at least 13 civilians.
Reports that a number of senior al-Qaida operatives also died were
never confirmed, as none of their bodies were found.
The associate who allegedly hosted al-Zawahri, a timber merchant and
tribal chief called Haji Nader, was later arrested by U.S. Special
Forces and taken to the American air base in Bagram, Afghanistan, said
Commander Youssef, police chief in Naray, where the military also has
a base.
Youssef declined to give further details, but Pakistani intelligence
officials and local residents said the arrest was made in May in Kunar
province and that Nader's family in Pakistan had since received a
letter from him, sent from Bagram.
The U.S. military declined to confirm the information.
Talk of al-Zawahri's whereabouts persists.
In Pakistan's Bajur region, opposite Kunar, tribesmen say al-Zawahri
moves with a small entourage between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
They say al-Zawahri briefly visited near Damadola in July and got
engaged or married to the teenage daughter of another local associate,
Kawas Khan, and the ceremony was attended by tribal elders including
pro-Taliban militants.
Pakistani intelligence confirmed the reports but Aurakzai, who is now
the provincial governor, maintained they were speculation.
Getting solid information is a dangerous business.
In Pakistan's border region, resentment has grown over the presence of
the army. Until the Sept. 11 attacks, the military had left the
semi-autonomous region alone since Pakistan won independence from
Britain in 1947.
Aurkazai said that since late 2004, about 70 tribesmen have been
killed, mostly for cooperating with the government; other officials
report more than 100 such deaths.
A senior officer in Pakistan's intelligence service, speaking on
condition of anonymity, said at least 30 of its informants were
assassinated, often beheaded and their heads displayed in a public
place.
On Aug. 7, the decapitated corpse of a 38-year-old former
militant-turned-informer, Loi Khan, was dumped in a North Waziristan
village.
An attached note read:
"See this man's body. Anyone spying on us will face the same end."
Another intelligence officer said it was harder for Pakistani agents
to operate in their own tribal areas than inside archrival India.
"In the enemy country, we know who is our enemy but in the tribal
areas it is extremely difficult to differentiate between the enemy and
the friends," he said.
Pakistani intelligence officials say bin Laden and al-Zawahri likely
live separately, each with a tight entourage of trusted Arab retainers
and several rings of defense, the outermost ring manned by local
militants.
They use a complex chain of human couriers, rather than
intercept-prone electronics, to get out their messages. Al-Zawahri has
issued 10 video or audio messages this year.
Bin Laden -- last seen in video in October 2004 -- has released five
audio messages during 2006.
Among the messages was a June 30 tribute to al-Qaida in Iraq leader
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, killed north of Baghdad on June 7, and another
soon afterward endorsing al-Zarqawi's successor.
Although Pakistan claims to have reduced al-Qaida's leaders to
symbols, Pakistani intelligence says its agents have heard that the
alleged British-based scheme to bomb trans-Atlantic jetliners was
blessed by al-Zawahri.
If true, that would mean Afghanistan remains the headwaters of the
world's most feared terrorist movement nearly five years after 3,000
people were killed in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
"There's a little bit of whistling past the graveyard when we say the
organization (al-Qaida) is broken," said Scheuer.
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"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their
own government. Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their
notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."
- Thomas Jefferson
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